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Alright, I ran across this site from craigs list randomly, but I have been meaning to get this off my chest. What the hell is wrong with graff today? There is some cool work out there but by and large there are many more weak, weak, WEAK taggers to whom graffiti is more about childish ego fufillment than message, expression, or even style. Let me just say getting up is cool, but means less than nothing(to me) if there is nothing more to it than being able to think you are some type of cool ass renegade just for writting something like "jester" or, "8-ball", or even worse putting up some stupid gang banger crap. I would like to assert the folowing:
1. Graffiti, which started as a spontaneous, rebelious art form now has it's own special dogma. I am a graff artist, but above all I am an artist. Anyone who tries to make graffiti an activity where there should only be a specific "graffiti style"(that means only letters and pop-culture rip offs etc.) is lame.
2.Anyone who tosses something quick up over a tight character, scene, piece, or even a WELL CRAFTED tag, is lame.
3. Anyone who thinks that graffiti has equal right to be ANYWHERE is lame. Don't tag on a tree...the city is bad enough and there isn't enough natural beauty. Nature is bigger than you. And I know this is hard to understand for a lot of writers, but there is such a thing as art in architecture and doing some ugly meaningless tag (you know the scribbles I speak of) on somebody elses labor of love is weak. I am not saying this is true of all buildings, mind you. Tag all the concrete boxes you like, but it is a virtue to be able to recognize another artists work when bombing.

There are 1000 and one more things to say but I'll leave it at that for now. Please people, graff can be anything, don't let it become the narrow definition most people assign it.

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hool: 18th May 2002 - 05:28 GMT

i am not any part of graf culture, but i completely agree with you on the virtue of recognition.

zagg: 22nd Jun 2002 - 05:16 GMT

this has been the best thing i've read all day.
sure its been a slow day and i haven't read much... and the day is only 2 hours old... but still... the best

non-t0y: FUCK THE TAGGERS, yo.

boroMasiv: w0rd

t@gger: yo...

tommy: 8th Dec 2003 - 17:00 GMT

does any one think that graffiti should be legal?

Backscrtchr: 1st Feb 2004 - 04:43 GMT

one of my favorite graffs was in Bordeaux where someone wrote "merde il pleut" (shit it's raining) in discreet locations all around the city

septamon: 21st Feb 2004 - 03:19 GMT

Graff is good, Graff is great, if you dont like Graff, dont hate....

angie:

rebel 32: 12th Jul 2004 - 09:16 GMT

fuck all huns youse are nothing but a bunch of coat trailing bastards

t@gger: 12th Jul 2004 - 14:33 GMT

rebel32, whats the issue? your comment makes no sense, mate. don't you usually keep to flaming the NI people and the taighs? i still cant grasp what your point is, tho.

alana: 12th Jul 2004 - 19:01 GMT

rebel32: after witnessing ur eloquence here, im hardpressed to ascertaion exactly what u r trying to say.

rebel 32: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:18 GMT

RE:t@gger be politically correct my comments always make sense i can't help it you're stupid and by the way taidgh is the correct spelling which means irish man

rebel 32: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:21 GMT

alana, if i wanted to listen an ass hole i would fart

kenny: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:24 GMT

what did jesus say to his disciples before he got crucified?

don't eat my easter eggs youse bastards i'll be back on sunday

kenny: is there any body on this site

kenny: is there any dickheads out there.

kenny: t@gger u wanker are u there

karma: kenny, what exactly do you think this site is?

OGDOG: 23rd Feb 2005 - 22:03 GMT

YOU ARE ALL PRETTY LAME IN THE FIRST PLACE,GO FIND SOME THING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR VALUELESS TIME.

OGDOG: LATER.

cognac: 24th Feb 2005 - 01:41 GMT

that s%#t makes sense but graffitti as a whole is a wild and uncontrollable monster. as much as we would like to bring integrity to the art form there are many other purposes it will always facilitate. from the bloods, crips, nortanios and soranios to the third grader toys that we all started out as. graffitti would be nothing without all those sh@##ty tags that give the legal wall piecers a bad name. we would be no where if we didnt have those i heart whoever carvings at the favorite makeout tree or, god forbid no water towers in small towns. frankly just keep making good stuff and understand its bigger than all of us.

Peter: can we avoid insults and stay on topic here?

jeeff: 2nd Apr 2005 - 04:19 GMT

amen to the original post, though of course there's no way to enforce these things, nor should there be.

alex from esco: That is right homey keep on dising

turnova: 1st Dec 2005 - 20:32 GMT

- what if you only have time to throw up something quick or if youre just starting and can only emulate the dope shit you admire for the time being? or even if you suck with style but have something, some word or group of words that you need to get out? i totally sucked (and broke alot of the "rules") when i started and now my shit is bangin'. are you gonna tell kids theyre not real artists until theyve been through school? amen to cognac's response. i wouldnt be the artist i am today if i ever gave a shit what the graff gurus thought.

BLADE>>WTC/NC/TFM: 9th Dec 2005 - 17:53 GMT

Repin Lost Animals/2.1.3/cant be stoped/I think if your down enough to go out and mobb you should get a some respect/but the second you cross out some real shit with some toy skill shit you need your head busted homie/and thats real/if you dont agree catch me in L.A/anytime/sup 2/ H.A.K Pomona 9.0.9//C.H.K from that D.F hardcore//and//Dopres in Leon,guanajuato.Mexico/Peace homie

dankacid: graffiti is an expression

aaron: graffiti is kool

Peter: no doubt. i cant get enough of the shit.

barry: 18th Feb 2006 - 10:43 GMT

I no graffiti was an 80,s thing but latly i see it all the time.May be it is in a gine.

a train: 17th Nov 2006 - 16:48 GMT

whell i dont tag but most the shit i see is not half as bad as some of the shit i try to draw but it really dont matter to me

BRN57: Ur shit is rite -creAtor-

pigs eye boys: 10th Aug 2007 - 20:58 GMT

i dont no who said it but if graf were legal it wouldnt be graf it would be illustartion im a vandalist i dont like little art fag graf with nthere heads up their asses and are even too good for themselves but anyway if your going to do it get up!ill be in omaha tomarrow st.paul rep

Belroc: 10th Aug 2007 - 23:28 GMT

True 2 pigs eye boys...
If your gonna be a graffiti writer you have to take the risk.
Yes thats a Quote from Lee in Wild Style..
Well, thats not exactly what he said.. You get the point.
But as for kids doing graff for the wrong reasons these days..
Thats very, VERY true!!
It's also not that easy to just jump into graff today.
Alot has changed, especially in big cities.
Freight trains have the brightest future in my opinion.
Thats what I keep my eyes on..
Real hardcore New York City style graffiti started out on trains and ran throughout the city..
So let's keep that tradition alive..
Only now your art can be seen all over the country!!!
Thats my 2 cent opinion about graffiti today....

BELROC IOFcrew.....

Cake: 9th Sep 2007 - 19:07 GMT

I have a question.........Throughout Omaha, there are some pretty good pieces done along the sides of train bridges. How is this done? Do they hang over the edge? I noticed a piece along the bike trail and could not figure out how it was done.

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What the hell is wrong with graff today? There is some cool work out there but by and large there are many more weak, weak, WEAK taggers to whom graffiti is more about childish ego fufillment than message, expression, or even style. Let me just say getting up is cool, but means less than nothing(to me) if there is nothing more to it than being able to think you are some type of cool ass renegade just for writting something like "jester" or, "8-ball", or even worse putting up some stupid gang banger crap. I would like to assert the folowing: 1. Graffiti, which started as a spontaneous, rebelious art form now has it's own special dogma. I am a graff artist, but above all I am an artist. Anyone who tries to make graffiti an activity where there should only be a specific "graffiti style"(that means only letters and pop-culture rip offs etc.) is lame. 2.Anyone who tosses something quick up over a tight character, scene, piece, or even a WELL CRAFTED tag, is lame. 3. Anyone who thinks that graffiti has equal right to be ANYWHERE is lame. Don't tag on a tree...the city is bad enough and there isn't enough natural beauty. Nature is bigger than you. And I know this is hard to understand for a lot of writers, but there is such a thing as art in architecture and doing some ugly meaningless tag (you know the scribbles I speak of) on somebody elses labor of love is weak. I am not saying this is true of all buildings, mind you. Tag all the concrete boxes you like, but it is a virtue to be able to recognize another artists work when bombing. There are 1000 and one more things to say but I'll leave it at that for now. Please people, graff can be anything, don't let it become the narrow definition most people assign it. This article has been viewed 7125 times in the last 6 years hool: 18th May 2002 - 05:28 GMT i am not any part of graf culture, but i completely agree with you on the virtue of recognition. zagg: 22nd Jun 2002 - 05:16 GMT this has been the best thing i've read all day. sure its been a slow day and i haven't read much... and the day is only 2 hours old... but still... the best non-t0y: FUCK THE TAGGERS, yo. boroMasiv: w0rd t@gger: yo... tommy: 8th Dec 2003 - 17:00 GMT does any one think that graffiti should be legal? Backscrtchr: 1st Feb 2004 - 04:43 GMT one of my favorite graffs was in Bordeaux where someone wrote "merde il pleut" (shit it's raining) in discreet locations all around the city septamon: 21st Feb 2004 - 03:19 GMT Graff is good, Graff is great, if you dont like Graff, dont hate.... angie: rebel 32: 12th Jul 2004 - 09:16 GMT fuck all huns youse are nothing but a bunch of coat trailing bastards t@gger: 12th Jul 2004 - 14:33 GMT rebel32, whats the issue? your comment makes no sense, mate. don't you usually keep to flaming the NI people and the taighs? i still cant grasp what your point is, tho. alana: 12th Jul 2004 - 19:01 GMT rebel32: after witnessing ur eloquence here, im hardpressed to ascertaion exactly what u r trying to say. rebel 32: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:18 GMT RE:t@gger be politically correct my comments always make sense i can't help it you're stupid and by the way taidgh is the correct spelling which means irish man rebel 32: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:21 GMT alana, if i wanted to listen an ass hole i would fart kenny: 18th Jul 2004 - 00:24 GMT what did jesus say to his disciples before he got crucified? don't eat my easter eggs youse bastards i'll be back on sunday kenny: is there any body on this site kenny: is there any dickheads out there. kenny: t@gger u wanker are u there karma: kenny, what exactly do you think this site is? OGDOG: 23rd Feb 2005 - 22:03 GMT YOU ARE ALL PRETTY LAME IN THE FIRST PLACE,GO FIND SOME THING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR VALUELESS TIME. OGDOG: LATER. cognac: 24th Feb 2005 - 01:41 GMT that s%#t makes sense but graffitti as a whole is a wild and uncontrollable monster. as much as we would like to bring integrity to the art form there are many other purposes it will always facilitate. from the bloods, crips, nortanios and soranios to the third grader toys that we all started out as. graffitti would be nothing without all those sh@##ty tags that give the legal wall piecers a bad name. we would be no where if we didnt have those i heart whoever carvings at the favorite makeout tree or, god forbid no water towers in small towns. frankly just keep making good stuff and understand its bigger than all of us. Peter: can we avoid insults and stay on topic here? jeeff: 2nd Apr 2005 - 04:19 GMT amen to the original post, though of course there's no way to enforce these things, nor should there be. alex from esco: That is right homey keep on dising turnova: 1st Dec 2005 - 20:32 GMT - what if you only have time to throw up something quick or if youre just starting and can only emulate the dope shit you admire for the time being? or even if you suck with style but have something, some word or group of words that you need to get out? i totally sucked (and broke alot of the "rules") when i started and now my shit is bangin'. are you gonna tell kids theyre not real artists until theyve been through school? amen to cognac's response. i wouldnt be the artist i am today if i ever gave a shit what the graff gurus thought. BLADE>>WTC/NC/TFM: 9th Dec 2005 - 17:53 GMT Repin Lost Animals/2.1.3/cant be stoped/I think if your down enough to go out and mobb you should get a some respect/but the second you cross out some real shit with some toy skill shit you need your head busted homie/and thats real/if you dont agree catch me in L.A/anytime/sup 2/ H.A.K Pomona 9.0.9//C.H.K from that D.F hardcore//and//Dopres in Leon,guanajuato.Mexico/Peace homie dankacid: graffiti is an expression aaron: graffiti is kool Peter: no doubt. i cant get enough of the shit. barry: 18th Feb 2006 - 10:43 GMT I no graffiti was an 80,s thing but latly i see it all the time.May be it is in a gine. a train: 17th Nov 2006 - 16:48 GMT whell i dont tag but most the shit i see is not half as bad as some of the shit i try to draw but it really dont matter to me BRN57: Ur shit is rite -creAtor- pigs eye boys: 10th Aug 2007 - 20:58 GMT i dont no who said it but if graf were legal it wouldnt be graf it would be illustartion im a vandalist i dont like little art fag graf with nthere heads up their asses and are even too good for themselves but anyway if your going to do it get up!ill be in omaha tomarrow st.paul rep Belroc: 10th Aug 2007 - 23:28 GMT True 2 pigs eye boys... If your gonna be a graffiti writer you have to take the risk. Yes thats a Quote from Lee in Wild Style.. Well, thats not exactly what he said.. You get the point. But as for kids doing graff for the wrong reasons these days.. Thats very, VERY true!! It's also not that easy to just jump into graff today. Alot has changed, especially in big cities. Freight trains have the brightest future in my opinion. Thats what I keep my eyes on.. Real hardcore New York City style graffiti started out on trains and ran throughout the city.. So let's keep that tradition alive.. Only now your art can be seen all over the country!!! Thats my 2 cent opinion about graffiti today.... BELROC IOFcrew..... Cake: 9th Sep 2007 - 19:07 GMT I have a question.........Throughout Omaha, there are some pretty good pieces done along the sides of train bridges. How is this done? Do they hang over the edge? I noticed a piece along the bike trail and could not figure out how it was done. Comment on this article.. 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