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I.C. Eric: Resnick was my history teacher!!!!! i graduated in 04, and i just started college... ive been following your work for some time. I know it was just a project but i learned alot from the...... upfromflames: Dang! You are right! I am so used to going to this shop, getting out at this subway stop, that I did not realise I was in Ridgewood the whole time! Well, it does not...... Ithaca college student: It is a tricky matter... I could be wrong but i thought this store was located on myrtle, which is why the mcdonalds flag can be seen beuase if it is then its right across...... Peter: hahaha, you know, because people cant seem to resist bringing up some contention whenever brooklyn neighborhoods are concerned, when i first saw this photo, i thought "hmm, its only a matter of time before someone...... upfromflames: the border is a tricky matter, careful reader. If I may refer you to my Google Map of Bushwick, you will see Wyckoff is the border. And since, this is on the Bushwick side of...... upfromflames: this is a fascinating document that has use for educators in NYC today. I will make sure to pass it around to my teacher peeps. thanks for contributing!... upfromflames: [[img:29233]]
George: sorry to see your shop go. but what the hell were you thinking?
you could have sold that thing--iconic image that it is--and made better money for your family. And not destroyed a work...... upfromflames: you betcha. Built in the wake of Robert Moses Fort Green plan. That was the same one that led the Dodgers to leave Brooklyn. ... upfromflames: WOW! You win the prize good sir! that is indeed why Bushwick burned!
May I offer you as a prize an invitation to come speak to my class? I teach Urban history at the Academy...... Bea K.: Lou Romero, Upfromflames, all: I've heard so much about "white flight" just about all my life, that I honestly don't think that 'term' will 'ever' go away, how sad it that? I've also wondered if...... upfromflames: Steven H:
glad you like the thread.
Noticed that you mentioned you grew up going to St. Marks. I wonder about that church, why they have not sold that old building on Troutman (picture above)....... always a Bushwick kid: Hey Lou Romero: you mentioned Sr. Ann Melanie, Sr. Betty, etc. Well Sr. Ann Melanie died not too long ago and Sr. Betty still works in Bushwick- she runs Independence House on Cornelia Street (between...... upfromflames: DOHMH-- Dept of Health and Mental Hygiene. call 311... upfromflames: Yeah I appreciate your voice here too!
Question for you: When Puerto Rican folks replaced Italians, did they tend to join the catholic congregations--i am thinking about St. Barbara's Cathedral and school, which i am writing...... upfromflames: Yeah, trends are very general, so I don't want to stereotype at all. I meant poor relative to the earlier families. Thanks for correcting me on that one.
I am a little blurry on the...... upfromflames: Lou: It depends on what part of Bushwick you are talking about, as the process of demographic change proceeded differently in different part of the neighborhood. In ther southern side of Bushwick--south of Myrtle--the process...... upfromflames: "Safe" is a psychological range that falls somewhere between what you are used and what people in the neighborhood are used to. So i don't know makes you feel "safe".
But you could take the...... upfromflames: historically yes, but currently, no--according to the boundaries of Community Board 4
Bushwick stops at Flushing on the North...
Broadway on the West...
Wyckoff (roughly) on the East...
MostHoly Trinity Cemetery on the South...
So where you are talking...... upfromflames: I'm glad ya'll have found each other here. Bushwick has an important place in the hearts of CityNoise contributors and editors.
If you have any photos of Bushwick from your youth, you are welcome to...... upfromflames: I enjoyed this take on the same subject, by Null Set Films:
[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiN_XaSo82U]]... Peter: ok! the first area of {brooklyn} that popped into mind was [[wiki:Bedford-Stuyvesant]] (bed-stuy)... i only poked around a little, but it looks a little closer to {serlingrod}'s {philly}-{brooklyn}:
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closer, but still not spot-on...
i bet {upfromflames} could...... upfromflames: that's on Bushwick Ave, no?
... upfromflames: no place you'd want to eat, but a place to eat Ecuadorian food.... upfromflames: Red Garter Saloon? I'll have to hear more about that one, or at least map it! ... upfromflames: Well, there is not one Bushwick High anymore, but rather four campuses drawing students from all over the city. I work in the Academy of Urban Planning, myself, and our rates are between 60-70% (depending...... upfromflames: And 70% dropout rate! I am a high school teacher--and you sir, are quoting some racist drivel from a time long past.
Perhaps it suits your needs, but it does not suit the reality at hand....... upfromflames: More to the point, you are confusing problem with solution, and memory with history
The cameras by Maria Hernandez park are part of the [[6459:Bushwick Initiative]], the latest in a long line of projects to fight...... upfromflames: Hear that folks. If you ain't scared, get some! But pick up some tacos on the way! I'm hungry!... upfromflames: Some of the best tacos in all of Bushwick! ... upfromflames: The war has started, paint against paint. Looking forward to seeing more battles! ... upfromflames: Any marks on these yet, Peter? My students are keeping an eye on this post!... upfromflames: t'aint so, my friend. Though, he did ramble round these parts back in the day, part of the F & R gang. He is buried in St. John's Cemetery, on the other side of the...... upfromflames: Rather than call them "bushwick houses" they are better known as Hope Gardens. And they make up what is the last housing project ever built in the United States. ... upfromflames: [[img:27405]]
Actually, you might be right. Shall we assume that Dave's dad took this picture from their storefront?
This image looks a good bit earlier, captures St. Barbara's.... upfromflames: Peter, I had thought that Dave's photo was from the block directly across from St. Barbara's, but it might be that empty lot. Thanks much for the hunting! Hope we see you and the rest...... Peter: Ok, so I just got back, and here are the photos:
[[img:27389]]
the northwest corner of {central} and {bleeker}...
[[img:27390]]
a wider view of the same spot...
[[img:27391]]
the southwest corner of {central} and {bleeker}...
im sure that {upfromflames} could tell us...... The terrible disaster: This article has been republished as I was asked to supply the details a second time.
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We had walked on Cadishead Moss in the morning on Jean Dodd’s health walk with possibly 60 inspired walkers. When...... Low Kee Angel @aol.com: UpFromFlames.....thank you... UpFromFlames: Its amazing the things that Google can do!
[[http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/hs_historical_sign.php?id=186]]
I feel that this is a great summary.
I'd love to be able to identify Carlos, but he has since left the city and lives somewhere...... UpFromFlames: If you want to see the house as it once was, you can find the images on files at the municipal archives in the 1939 Tax Roll photos.
for more info: [[http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/taxphotos/home.shtml]]... little ukraine: upfromflames - thanks for the info! sadly (for me) it seemed that the only house on the block which had been demolished and rebuilt was 184, so the house my father grew up in...... UpFromFlames: Nice Shots!
And hey, Yer father in from Bushwick!Is he from the unit they are renovating inthe shot? Maybe its even part of the city's latest [[6459: Urban Renewal project]] there? Also, the house with the...... upfromflames: Go for it. There's lots of debate here.
I'm glad you have a viewpoint to defend. ... upfromflames: Dirty is a matter not just of water, but of politics, and of profit.... upfromflames: how utterly grisly...how history piles atop itself. And apathy atop sympathy. Its a matter of time.... upfromflames: Is the difference real? Or is it just what feels better? Does it really take worn down buildings to house a pedophile? Seems to me they could live everywhere...
From my own experience, as a...... UpFromFlames: I don't think that drugs came into the the area then. It just transitioned from heroin (brought in by Galante) to crack -- brought in by ????.... MaGoo: Thank you, Editor, and UFF and Cartlegger.
I won't go hog-wild here- as I realize that there are so many other areas of human endeavor that come into play when discussing this topic, that it would...... UpFromFlames: understood. I see the crap that gets posted here, and it takes a godlike eye to be able to see it all and seperate the wheat from the chaff. I know that it means...... Bob Salmon: Re the Bobs Ferry Accident:
As remembered by Bob Salmon, an Inquest Witness.
On the morning in question, I was awoken by a neighbour in Lytherton Avenue Cadishead, saying that she thought there was a gas leak...... UpFromFlames: MaGoo: I'm really sorry to see that some knucklehead is deleting your comments here. This is sad, as it makes an informed dialogue impossible. Could whoever is doing this worry more about gangsters and profanity...... UpFromFlames: As I am fond of saying, Memory is the surest antidote to history.
That is the main issue I have with your perspective. While I have done a lot of documentary research [[www.upfromflames.com]] I could...... UpFromFlames: It would be best to read all the posts above for your answer.
I think you'll be fine. But there is so much more to it than that. ... John Dereszewski: Smudgy, you should, at once, access the www.upfromflames.com web site ASAP. While the show has closed, the site is still live - for now. If anything, it has more info than the exhibit did. (An...... 99¢Dreams: Peter, you didn't just run with my idea -- you sprinted with it! And I guess the finish line isn't yet in sight since you titled it "part 1". Great work -- I just...... upfromflames: nice work Peter! Photos on demand! It comes across as a photo poem, and I just keep hearing again and again in my head---The Gates are Open! ... upfromflames: That sad wreck is captured here:
[[http://www.citynoise.org/article/7033]]... upfromflames: The "gates" could also refer to the proud sculptures on the front gates of new Housing Partnership homes popping up all over Bushwick--specifically around Central Ave. M. Train Station.
But the point here is that...... upfromflames: Chris: if you can't figure out why anyone would want to give a walking tour of Bushwick, check out [[www.upfromflames.com]]. Or some of my other posts here. There is a lot of history in your...... upfromflames: Chris: Many props to you for expressing your opinion in this forum. I hope my students at Bushwick Campus will do the same sort of thing: to speak what they know.
... upfromflames: [[img:22876]]
And finally, thanks for all your hard work, planners, leaders, student artists. It was great to see this come together, in your minds, on the wall, and in our community. ... upfromflames: [[img:22874]]
The last strokes on the Bushwick High Mural went up today. I felt lucky to see them go on the wall.
[[img:22869]]
Afterwards, Unue, Al, Joe, Rolando, and Crystal--the lead artists--posed in front of their creation.
[[img:22872]]
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I...... upfromflames: PS, that was me above, writing under my other name...
Adam... Cay: So uh Peter and UpfromFlames.....what say you to Chris R's post???? Is he telling it like he experiences it or is he being an alarmist. ... upfromflames:
This is just a notice that the third walking tour associated with the "Up From Frames" exhibit will occur this Saturday - August 11 - at 1 PM.
We will gather at the NE corner...... upfromflames: This is just a notice that the third walking tour associated with the "Up From Frames" exhibit will occur this Saturday - August 11 - at 1 PM. We will gather at the NE corner...... February 6, 1958 United players killed in air disaster: The Munich air disaster took place on February 6, 1958, when the British European Airways Flight 609 crashed on its third attempt to take off from a slush-covered runway at the Munich-Riem airport in Germany....... Bobs Ferry Accident:
We had walked on Cadishead Moss in the morning on Jean Dodd’s health walk with possibly 60 inspired walkers. When the walk had ended I had a chat with Mrs Heap the ‘Irlam Historians’...... upfromflames: Sure. I'll do that for you in the next week. You can reach me at [[upfromflames@gmail.com]].
... Peter: upfromflames might be able to help you with that one... hes the resident bushwick expert around here...
if you like, the editors will pass along any info to him youd like to share. see above email...... upfromflames: Luis: Please do share. I am so glad that Up From Flames could mean so much to you.
But in a way, aren't you happy that your kids don't have to know what you...... Luis Acevedo: During the last couple of days I stumbled upon the website for upinflames. I couldn't believe my eyes. I am 28 and have lived in bushwick my entire life. I grew up on Wilson Ave...... upfromflames: Cay: After your earlier alarmist pieces, I think you are getting closer the the real dangers lurking for Bushwick and NYC.... upfromflames: Rumours travel quickly. Truth travels slower.
Yes, there was a problem. But all was a misunderstanding, and settled by the end of the day.
No one is going to stop the Bushwick mural. Come...... upfromflames: Rumours travel quick. Truth travels slower. Come out to Bushwick, and see the truth for yourself, painted on the wall.
Yes, there was a problem. But all was quickly settled, as a misunderstanding.
No on...... upfromflames: Heez, brooklyn pete, where you been? You are the seemingly improbable middle ground who understands it all and says it well. I just wish we had heard from you earlier. If you have the time,...... upfromflames: Thanks!
And you can bet I will continue, EG.
With my new position as sociology and mapping teacher at the Bushwick Academy for Urban Planning, there will be more history to tell, and a future...... EvilGentleman: Wonderful article. A lot of history here that needs to be remembered. I hope you will continue to post articles here, even after the Up From Flames exhibit is no longer running.... Cay: What say you upfromflames? ITS NOT SAFE PERIOD... little ukraine: ah, you ARE upfromflames... I had a feeling! great exhibit.... CartLegger: well...I am "upfromflames" as well, actually. More later on the school. ... little ukraine: that must be the same AUP involved with the Up From Flames exhibit at the Brooklyn Historical Society - that place looks amazing, best of luck and congratulations!... upfromflames: Thank you for visiting. Please come again.... upfromflames: they only buy, you know. If you want some gold, you gotta go someplace else. That's just how classy they are.... upfromflames: He's leading the tour, dude! See ya there!
Meet on Wykoff @ Gates at 1PM on Saturday. ... upfromflames: yes, it is. ... upfromflames: If you need directions:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Knickerbocker+Ave+%26+Woodbine+St,+Brooklyn,+NY&sll=40.686365,-73.981328&sspn=0.007306,0.014462&ie=UTF8&ll=40.696778,-73.913355&spn=0.007305,0.014462&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1... upfromflames: Nope. Its Broadway. And the date is important not for what happened that day, but what happened [[7012:30 years earlier]]. ... upfromflames: or just--like the title says--stop! ... upfromflames: PS: Cars suck. Lets reclaim the city for people.... upfromflames: Dee: i am so glad that you discovered that site! Your words and perspective is much appreciated on these pages.... upfromflames: Sure. The Brooklyn Historical Society Library. They have hundreds of them, mostly 19th century or earlier--though they include a few by that Brooklyn (Williamsburg/Bushwick) shutterbug Eugene Armbruster.
They are not on public view, but you...... upfromflames: As for reading more:
the most concise source on this subject is the Blackout History Project, which has all relevant documents in PDF format. Check it out!
[[http://blackout.gmu.edu/transition.html]]... upfromflames: open hydrant - frolicking kids = kinda eerie... upfromflames: I love it jack. I work mighty hard at using my photos to transmit history and narrative, but you just concoct it out of these images freeform. Or did you grow up here? ... little ukraine: glad to see more, upfromflames; i'd been meaning to comment that i went to the exhibit last friday - outstanding!! fascinating stuff, well worth the visit. i spent about twnety minutes staring at...... jack: very interesting upfromflames, your doing good work with your life, very inspiring.... upfromflames: great article on Bushwick in this week's Village Voice
[[http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0726,robbins,77040,2.html]]... upfromflames: I need to hear about the Arsonists! Tell me more!... Clay: There's an exhibit at the Brooklyn Historical Society called "Up from Flames." It chronicles Bushwick from 1977 to now. It has lots of articles in the 70's when Bushwick landlords were buring their......
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