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Comments about gentrificationThere are 100 comments about "gentrification"
Arrest Development: Let's get real, gentrification, which means "from gentry, noble birth, good genes", is really a catering to Euro/Anglo culture who are given privilege, mobility, whether it's suburban or in the city, and easier access to...... Humboldt1: I love gentrification and will do everything in my power to promote it. For now, I have renters that are less than desirable, but pay, although usually late. I would much rather rent...... Urban Neighbourhood: Gentrification is one of those things that you either love or hate. The debate on it tends to be very polarized, but cities are not going to oppose it because it means higher property taxes...... emily: Thank you Humboldt1, and as a response to J's comment I want to say that I believe that the gentrification is a HUGE problem and it is completely unfair, but there has to be something...... Humboldt1: Gentrification is being caused by yuppies and professionals from the east moving further west, displacing current long-time residents. The park itself is beautiful and a true gem in the Chicago Park District, but is...... J: "What do you believe is causing the gentrification?" What do u THINK is causing it?... emily: I am currently observing a class in Lafayette Elementary school. I have to write a paper regarding the changes the community or the school have gone through. The school used to have 1300 students and...... Humboldt1: I am happy to get rid of all the gangbangers. I have confronted drug dealers and will surely do it again. I do not want the kids on my street living around this...... Humboldt/West Bucktown - whichever you prefer: I've been in this area for over 6 years. Bought a condo 3BR/3BA. The first year was rough with all the random shootings at night. I get the scoop from the locals,...... Humboldt1: Arquitecto,
Seriously, you don't need to use all the 5 dollar words. I have been in Humboldt Park for the past 3 years, having purchased an apartment building here in which I live. I...... arquitecto: Xavi, good post. I feel your pain. I am a central american immigrant who grew up in cleveland. Went to school in Portland and am living in Sacramento CA. I have gained...... Xavi: Humboldt Park has its social ills (and as you can see from the rest of my diatribe, there are specific historical/social/political reasons why) but it is a ghetto struggling to maintain the rich social networks,...... thesouthernapple: Hey everyone,
I'm sad to see the neighborhood in such decline. But I'm glad to see so many memories here, about the Ave.
I graduated Valerdictorian from St. Marks in 1985, and I know that...... Jason: What's most ironic is that liberals are deeply "conservative" when it comes to gentrification. They are seeking to take a vibrant city of constant flux and movement and freeze it in time.
No one group...... kls: My husband and I have lived in Humboldt Park for 4 years since moving to Chicago from Guatemala. I cannot think of a better compromise for us both. I love being near the shops...... Lou Romero: Good exchange UFF,
The catholic schools other reason for closing was the declining enrollment from the local neighborhoods (ie: PRs and Blacks), many
of these families could not afford the tuition.
I remember classmates of mine going to...... upfromflames: Yeah, trends are very general, so I don't want to stereotype at all. I meant poor relative to the earlier families. Thanks for correcting me on that one.
I am a little blurry on the...... Lou Romero: Thanks UFF, your response was almost totally on the money, except
for the "poor Puerto Rican families" part.
Many PR families were hard-working and wanted a better living conditions as well as good schools, many who...... river otters21 girl: It is a darn shame to see hear what happened to Kensington. Oh, I agree with YourOwnFault 100% except that this cancer known as white flight took place more recently than the 50s and...... serlingrod: Thanks Peter. It's nice to have a friend back you up. I just marvel at the stubborness of it though.....I mean, "keep on painting" ... Really? I've made it perfectly clear I'm not an artist..I'm...... ChiPhi: Christopher and others, why is there always a: "...somebody needs to do something to help..." why don't people take responsibility and pride for their own? I have lived in this neighborhood for 5 years...... Joe: Hello CB Dare,
Sounds like you have very important things to say and the courage to go with it. I can only explain my experience with my early years in Kensigton. There is somethimg to be...... Peter: cherie: {broadway}, in the area around {hart} street is the border between {bushwick} and {bed-stuy}, so i suppose it depends on which side of {broadway} the place is on, heh. the west side being {bed-stuy}...... CartLegger: That would be the [[wiki: tompkins square park police riot]], I believe.
Quite a historical turning point in the gentrification of NYC.... CartLegger: That would be the [[wiki: tompkins square park police riot]], I believe.
Quite a historical turning point in the gentrification of NYC.... Questioning: I have a question...I am a white non hipster brought up by a single parent working 2 jobs in brooklyn so i know what its like not to been the one looking for rent stabilization...... rachael: hmmm...
many of the comments i've read have either amused me or angered me...but I'll go on anyway...
i'm a brooklyn native and originally from east flatbush. my parents left there to move to long island [for...... xtascene: thank you for passing on that graffiti, "artists are the shock troops..." It amuses me to read all these little petty bougie chai sucking art-mafia types trying to weasel out of owning their privilege, whether...... Peter: hey "like it is": even our 'beloved' [[4368:hutchinson, kansas]] has more sex offenders per capita than {bushwick}! your brand of reactionary bullshit is just that... bullshit. whats your point? i mean... i live in {bushwick},...... BC: I live in BK, and ill tell you first hand that although the area has gone through some gentrification, it's still not entirely safe. My house had just been broken into last week (again)! I...... george: i heard they extended the CHA redevelopment plans to 2015 from end of 2009. Is that right? what is the extra time for exactly? any updates on the gentrification of the area? is the transitioning...... MaGoo: Thank you, Editor, and UFF and Cartlegger.
I won't go hog-wild here- as I realize that there are so many other areas of human endeavor that come into play when discussing this topic, that it would...... Carl: Yeah, gentrification is rampant in NYC, Bushwick is feeling it now. I don't mind new architecture if it's interesting. Unfortunately, many times, intricate architecture gets torn down and replaced with a rectangle. The irony of...... UpFromFlames: As I am fond of saying, Memory is the surest antidote to history.
That is the main issue I have with your perspective. While I have done a lot of documentary research [[www.upfromflames.com]] I could...... Jason: I'm sorry to agree with Gentrification, The old Southeast Side used to be a mecca of beautiful homes with flowers and families enjoying life in the 1970's-early 80's. The area was majority Irish, Serbian...... Xavi: Most of the eastern part of Humboldt Park until the mass Puerto Rican migration of the 1940's and '50's was Jewish and Polish, with some German and Italian elements. When those ethnic groups were...... cor take 2: sorry for the random comment like 3 years later but someone just mentioned to me they saw this old post and got a bit offended going on about gentrification and such. and i will...... JKS: Hello. I'm a white, college-educated newcomer to Bushwick. I've always been poor, but by comparison white people are much wealthier than ethnic minorities. I'm white, and I have no trouble admitting that...... Xavi: There are many stories of Puerto Rican families who are making a killing off of their homes by selling and moving to Florida, or back to Puerto Rico or wherever and they do so for...... Armstrong: No, I am definitely not a trustfunder, LOL. I realize as a white person-no matter my economic status-I am seen as a gentrifier. Actually, I am a student in a nursing program at a city...... Xavi: To check out more articles about gentrification in Humboldt Park, go here: http://www.citynoise.org/article/7014/by/xavi... anon (cache-dtc-ag08.proxy.aol.com): Gentrification is obviously evident not only in Bushwick but all over New york City,its just a shame that it takes race to improve a community. ie: Farmers markets,trendy stores, bistros, and uppyish bars....... bed sty-cee!: born and raised in brooklyn--coney island was the boroughs(family getaway) i can't beleive that politician let it rot--but just like all of brooklyn, gentrification will take hold. so all you blacks and puerto ricans better...... maybetoday: I don't know a whole lot about the history of this neighborhood. I do know that it is in the midst of gentrification right now. It seems to me that the housing on...... CE: The first half of the article make it look like a very wealthy neighbourhood and the second half makes it look very poor. is there a class divide somewhere or is it just in...... kjh: "systematic gentrification?" more like systematic commercialization. poor people should band together and buy property, houses, land, and try to ignore mass commercialism and pressures to conform to ever-changing fads and fashions.... Xavi: I live in Humboldt Park, in the Paseo Boricua commercial strip. Reading through most of these comments, I have this to write: In order to understand the state of Humboldt Park and the Puerto Rican...... Clay: There's an exhibit at the Brooklyn Historical Society called "Up from Flames." It chronicles Bushwick from 1977 to now. It has lots of articles in the 70's when Bushwick landlords were buring their...... Kiminbushwick: Hi, new to the site, but have been following along in more ways than one. I am 7 years proud in bushwick, and just wanted to say, that I think ALL of this conjecture and...... Peter: bushwick native: ridiculous sums of money? my rent is less than a grand, and i havea huge, amazing space. with rentthis low for such space, my building is full of the sorts of poor people...... upfromflames: Armstrong: sorry for the delay. The answer to your question is an interesting one, since you (as a better off new--white--face the hood) represent one of the forces creating change in this area. Gentrification is...... PhillyGuy83: People exaggerate so much about New York that its sickening. If you are from a picket fenced suburb and want to know if you'll be safe in some inner city neighborhood then more than likely...... EvilGentleman: Condos, old and new. The great city of St. Louis deserves better than this graphic example of the full variety of sameness that gentrification produces.... joey: gentrification; part one find a fixer-upper... Cay: Still, after this past weekend, I would recommend not staying in Bushwick. Enough said, but its a big mistake to think being young, white and naive will protect you from harm. Live somewhere else,...... EvilGentleman: Socially stratified contrasts in high proximity. Some of it has been like that for decades, if not centuries, like the famous divide of Westmount, with those "above the tracks" being wealthy, while those "below the...... Armstrong: I just got a two bedroom railroad in one of the big old brick tenements on Starr Street right on the park. I'm excited. I've lived in Bushwick since 2000 and I love...... upfromflames: Dunno where you are coming from with that. I am working out there now interviewing some of the folks of the block association, which helped the neighborhood to stay solid after the blackout, like starting...... CartLegger: um...you mean the serious side where I am not mocking a radical conservative?
Maybe I should make this clearer, should any students find this looking for info on gentrification. So no, no UN blue helmets...... hv11221: The making of this mural appears in the WSJ video piece: Inner-City Gentrification in Brooklyn (available at: http://feeds.wsjonline.com/wsj/video/pursuits)... John Dereszewski: It is hard to imagine how anyone can misinterpret the last 30 years of Bushwick's history more than BDweller did in his comment. To believe him, Bushwick endured decades of neglectful Planned Shrinkage followed by...... BDweller:
"The Bushwick Initiative...Who is this for?"
Boy, you are some busybody, upfromflames. Digging, poking, photographing and posting; then posing provocative questions.
I'll take your bait.
The city's official response to the steady influx of Latinos and blacks...... John Dereszewski: The Bushwick Initiative is really is an impressive development, probably the most creative initiative since the Bushwick Action Plan of the late 1970's.
Over the past month, I have visted Bushwick several times and traveled...... dimeadozen: Thank you to everyone for this discussion especially The Truth and those following who elevated the discussion.
I moved to Bushwick very recently and completely randomly. Although I work hard, support myself and am forced...... I am Puerto Rican, and Really Angry at your Lack of Concern and Knowledge:: I agree with you Rich. I would love to live in a world where people can coexist peacefully along side one another. All I am saying is that most people make generalizations of people based...... Scott: Just moved to Bushwick 2 years ago, very white, and a supposed part of this so-called "gentrification." I, and the other "white people" that live in my building all moved here for two reasons....... Lucho: this post has been a tremendous help to me, thanks to everyone that has given their insight. i have been working on a research paper on the renovation of cabrini green, i am from chicago,...... JNJ: Again. The problem isn't your, "whiteness". Human phenotypes don't necessarily always reflect the genotypes. "White", just like Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, is just a generic term used to separate people for the...... crlsgll: This conversation about Bushwick is great. I love reading the personal narratives that fuel each story and shed light in our differences; which is a blessing in disguise, for if we all agreed then this...... JNJ: Your reflections are very impassioned and provide a perspective that I could never understand as a caucasian and an outsider to the neighborhood. I guess what I still don't understand is why, I would be...... jeeff: on a personal level, i agree. but on a larger scale, the gathering pace of gentrification downtown worries me. it's not just the artists being gradually pushed out of the downtown core, it's...... colavitos ghost: peter, i've always meant to ask you if you've read "the fortress of solitude" by jonathan lethem. it's a really wonderful book, and is set in prospect heights (it takes the gentrification issue head-on).
anybody...... JNJ: "I was running in Humboldt Park the other day, as I have for a few years, when 2 Puerto Rican 17ish year olds rammed their bicycles into me. I stepped to them, as it were,...... Yea-Yo: Exactly Culture Club. I'd love to understand more about these deep roots people claim they've laid into Humboldt Park. The dirty ass alleys, unkept yards, trash all over, people with no regard for the next...... Brad: Wow, that looks really nice. How does Harlem compare to some of the other areas as far as gentrification? Seems like its location on Manhattan would have made it prime real estate. I remember grabbing...... EvilGentleman: You have a good eye. You might also want to consider wandering around Point St Charles. A classic case of urban decay meets gentrification. Charlevoix Metro station is in the point.... carlos mario: To The Truth: maybe you could share so many things you know about the history of Bushwick at Se Hace Camino porque Youth Power is studying gentrification right now, you know? For the people who...... carlos mario: Since I'm writing about gentrification in Bushwick, this all is so interesting, especially the part of the story that The Truth mentions, as it relates to what I'm writing. Roger Starr, planned shrinkage, arson, disinvestment,...... dT: Blaming white people for gentrification is pointless; capitalism is the real problem. Exploitation will continue to exist as long as our corporatist economy exists.
Also, if you are white, stop complaining about being...... Dave (a Bushwick native): I see it more as a class war than a race war. I'm from the last generation (born mid-1960s) of German-Americans from the Ridgewood/Bushwick area before the Great Exodus of the 1970s. If I claimed...... TheTruth: Nice try at history, Sylvia, but you've missed some huge factors. My family was part of that 1st wave of nonwhites to integrate Bushwick in the 1950s. They weren't Gentry -- sorry--even though they were...... jeeff: aside from public housing (which govts don't seem to do anymore), all new housing is marketed as 'luxury', and marketed to yuppies. that's where the money is. as yuppies move into new housing,...... Sylvia: I am a hispanic who lived in Bushwick from 1971 to 1993, moving there from the Bronx where I was raised. The irony of what I have been reading here is that when I...... non-hipster: re: Bushwick. I'm dissapointed in several things I have read here. The fact that blame has been assigned to an entire part of the community (i.e. the whites) for driving out ethnic minorities. First...... Jack: I'm not really planning on engaging with most of the comments here, except to say to Mauvis: I'm not a "lady," so please, keep your fucking assumptions to yourself, thanks. And also, yes,...... Mauvis: I'm half white and half Korean and I moved to Bushwick a couple of months ago from East Harlem because these are the closest places to the city that I can afford. I have a...... Fa11en: What a bunch of bullshit. Especially that last entry by Tenda. Just because someone is white means they're not "allowed" to live or exist in a specific area? Ever heard of reverse...... shandy: I'm white and my place in Bushwick was the first I moved to when I came to New York. I had no idea what neighborhood meang what, I moved there firstly because my friend lived...... native tonguez: any of you native americans who lived in brooklyn 500 years ago? no? then you really dont have much right to talk.
{gentrification} is a touchy subject. but whether youre white, black or latino, you were...... Jack: Heh, didn't realize HTML was disabled. So here's just some of what I wrote at http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/04/28/62
I lived in Bushwick for two years before moving to my current neighborhood in Brooklyn. And while living there,...... Jack: I just have one thing to say to Penpusher: Word.
I used to live in Bushwick and have many thoughts on the gentrification that's going on there, a lot of which I've written about here....... Penpusher: Here's the thing about the geography of NYC. Everything radiates from Midtown. During the late 90s, the Giuliani era, NY developed a reputation as being a safe city, a clean city and as Rudy claimed,...... Peter: a quick look at the wiki entry for [[wiki:bushwick]] shows that the displaced people youre talking about are far from the first to be displaced, whether from gentrification, changing demographics, modernization, urbanization, etc. i mean,...... peace: i did like the first few fotos, very well captured through perspective. someone saying that there must have been better architects around when those buildings were build must remember, styles change.and with the amazingly rapid...... jeeff: elicar - the vast majority of poor people don't own their own homes outright, they're at the mercy of landlords. when an area starts to gentrify, it creates upward pressures on rents. landlords...... jeeff: elicar - how about the reservations up north where people continue to be stuck without clean drinking water and reliable infrastructure? how about the saskatoon police (to name only one notorious department)? the amount...... Staci: To: Humboldt Park Dave/ Ratone Chocha/ Insightoner
Thanks Dave. I'll have to check that out. I'll keep things posted on here every so often. Ratone, I live on Humboldt and Cortland. ...... insightoner: Good stuff. A couple of things to keep everything in perspective: Humbolt was white untill the 70's. Don't you think the whites that lived there pre70's felt the same way when Puerto...... Dizzy: I was just looking at places near bushwick avenue... around gates/palmetto. it's really close to the J train (gates avenue) - anyone have any opinions about this? Everyone keeps talking the parts of Bushwick that...... gringa latina: Well, here I am again. I wrote my last post in Spanish I guess as a sign of respect to all of the latino residents of Humboldt Park and to write as a "white......
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