Anti-US Beef/2MB Protests

zagg: 17th Jun 2008 - 02:48 GMT

I like the fact that the girl in photograph #2 has a pack of Marlboro cigs in her pocket. Boo US Beef! YAY US Tobacco!

--- zagg, the vegetarian who is a descendant of Canadian tobacco farmers :D

chiamattt: 17th Jun 2008 - 04:06 GMT

Heh, yeah I wrote about the smokes on my bolog.

smokehard.com/2008/whats-the-real-beef

Peter: 17th Jun 2008 - 13:24 GMT

it seems pretty obvious to me that this is, more or less, more about the state of the korean beef industry than the "health" of the consumers... especially when the korean government seems to freeze trading in the beef market during and after major protests to prevent heavy fluctuations... looks like theyve really got an issue that many people are behind, even though it doesnt make sense at all. oh well.

i like the last photo... it made me chuckle...

jack: 17th Jun 2008 - 14:39 GMT

screw 'em, lets give the beef away to the poor people and welfare cases we have here, lets feed our country first and take care of Americans first.

eccles: 17th Jun 2008 - 15:07 GMT

That sure sounds nice, Jack, but who will pay for such an effort? Because I guarantee that the American beef industry is going to pursue profit over domestic philanthropy any day of the week. It's the capitalist way, and after all, isn't that what made America "great"?

chiamattt: 17th Jun 2008 - 22:20 GMT

Jack, it's not like the United States is going to 'give' the beef to Korea for free. In previous years (prior to 1994, i think) the Korean market was worth a little more than 3 Billion dollars. In addition, the Korean market purchases parts of the cow that Americans and other 'Western' nations typically don't purchase (intestines and bones for Ramen broth, for example). With so many industries leaving the United States, you don't think a few jobs might be created in the United States if beef is put back on the shelves in Korea? Might new jobs be available to people you currently categorized as "welfare cases"?

정이 김: 17th Jun 2008 - 23:01 GMT

American want to send beef infected with mad cow — so dangerous that the Americans refusing to eat it — to my country! Myung-bak Lee sign a deal with America to lift a ban of American import beef after it had been forbidden in 2003 from the big outbreak of mad cow disease! It is a USA trick! You offer Korea the trade pact if we agree to import USA beef worth 542,000,000 Euro a year to the USA! But we are too smart for we all know the fact of American beef so dangerous that Americans themself are eating Australian, Canadian, Japanese and Chinese and even KOREAN beefs and sending their own away to other countries because it is so dirty! Children even do not to go to their school because of high contagious risk! Warning is given that mad cow disease is the cause of Alzheimer Disease also! Myung-bak Lee was blame for supposed give in to USA's pressure over evil beef agreement! This week thousands of people demonstrated with banners reading "Do Not Sell Korea USA Mad Cow!" and "Out with Myung-bak!" South Korea government even today announced that it would effectively ban import of ALL USA beef from cattle older than 30 months!

It is Dirty! Do not eat America Death Beef!

chiamattt: 18th Jun 2008 - 05:47 GMT

ZOMG THE NETIZENS HAVE FOUND CITYNOISE!!!!!!!!!!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!!!!!! PROTECT YOURSELF BY STRAPPING STEAKS OF AMERICAN DEATH BEEF TO YOUR CLOTHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jamie: 18th Jun 2008 - 08:07 GMT

what, like this? neoliterati.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/zhang-huans-solo-show-at-asia-society/

Peter: 18th Jun 2008 - 17:59 GMT

"One always looks neat, in a hat made from meat!"

lol... this thread is cracking me up... wonder if its going to be "feeling sixy (part 2)"...?

zagg: 18th Jun 2008 - 20:34 GMT

Hat made out of meat? OH HELL NO! I prefer a beef bikini and matching scarf!

미스터: 19th Jun 2008 - 00:54 GMT

농담을 만들어 고기를 전염병과 질병 중에 수천명이 사망! 웃음 재수가 미국 인들! 전염병의 히스테리! 그리고 당신은 운영위원회에 마을이 충만이 미친 열차에 묶여 유령이다! 미국인의 영역을 광란는 소문, 바보 허위 과학, 판매하는 시장의 두려움을 이용해 세계의 나머지 부분, 포장의 어젠다의 불안정 텔레비전보고! 쇠고기는 의심의 여지없이는 아마도이 귀하의 의제를 추진하기 위해 의도적으로 더럽 소형, 평화 - 사랑하는 한국 같은 나라! 현명한의 나머지 부분을 세계는 당신의 검은 악마 쇠고기 비밀!

귀하의 악을 쇠고기 사진! 보고 웃어 검은 죽음을! 당신은 현기증!

zagg: 19th Jun 2008 - 01:37 GMT

Oooh, I guess I really pissed him off with the American Death Beef fashions shot! OH NOES!

chiamattt: 19th Jun 2008 - 01:37 GMT

"Your evil beef photos! The report, laugh at the Black Death! You are anemic."

My photos are not evil!

zagg: 19th Jun 2008 - 01:42 GMT

Not even a LITTLE evil, Chiamatt? Come on, own up.

- zagg, who is not anemic, but that may be because she quit eating American Death Beef years ago.

chiamattt: 19th Jun 2008 - 02:02 GMT

Chiamatt is a little evil, but Chiamattt is pure and angelic. :)

미국의 악마의 비난!: 19th Jun 2008 - 02:31 GMT

웃다! 웃음, 당신 지방 질병의 미국 인들! 당신은 죽어 내 앞에, 그리고 당신의 영혼이 귀신의 소굴 쇠고기 뼈!

chiamattt: 19th Jun 2008 - 08:13 GMT

OK, despite "dying in a den of demons", I am Canadian, not American. So please don't put me in the same den of demons as them. CANADA HAS ITS OWN DEMONCRATICALLY ELECTED DEMONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter: 19th Jun 2008 - 13:44 GMT

wow, the comments in korean are fascinating... i mean, im as prone to think that america is the global authority on conspiracy, but i think its a bit of a reach to say that america is intentionally spreading "dirty beef" around the world with some sort of ulterior motive. i mean, countless millions of americans eat american beef multiple times a day, and none of them have BSE, so... definitely not the "thousands of people killed in the evil beef plague" as stated above... and as for americans eating mostly foreign beef to avoid the "contamination"? that sounds like hearsay to me, as i just dont see it happening. it does, however, seem to fit hand-in-hand with some of the other digressive, overly-generalized comments like "sick fat americans" and "american death beef", lol... actually, im one of the only americans in this thread, so i dont think your namecalling is reaching its intended audience, but i digress.

i dont eat meat, so maybe im out of the loop, but i definitely dont hear anything bad about american beef in america, and i see it being consumed in vast quantities, so... i think theres a lot of hype involved here, and... speaking of conspiracy, when an unpopular politician embraces public sentiment and helps turn it into a bit of a witch-hunt, that might be more of a problem than the mysterious and dubious "tainted beef" scare... that being said, you might want to get some perspective from the hype and naysaying, consult some facts, and find out whats really going on because right now, some of the comments in this thread sound profoundly misinformed. and its sad to see someone get so passionate about a subject when theyre basing their views of it on incorrect/incomplete information...

p.s: translated version (korean to english) of this thread is here...

Jamie: 19th Jun 2008 - 13:50 GMT

It's the British Beef you wanna watch out for

chiamattt: 19th Jun 2008 - 14:52 GMT

According to a very close Korean friend of mine, the Korean above is really clumsy and doesn't really make sense (she initially thought they were similar to slogans die-hard protesters used but then thought differently). She thinks someone wrote English (or another language) and simply put the text into google translator and pasted it here. Perhaps someone who doesn't have very good Korean skills (like me!) wrote it. There is anger in the sentences, but they aren't complete. They are broken in a strange way.

Anyway, just fyi!

EvilGentleman: 19th Jun 2008 - 17:16 GMT

Nice to know that there are enough fanatical vegans to go around. And I thought North America was hoarding them all for themselves...

I usually put ground pork in my pasta sauces. Same sawdust filler, lower price.

But I do toss cheap generic frozen beef hamburger patties on my barbecue. Man, those suckers smoke like mad, and the grease burns hotter than the propane. Sometimes, I think I am reducing vision on the main highway to Toronto everytime I cook burgers.

Dead cow, mmmmmm....

Oh, by the way, why are you guys using my name with beef? You guys should be careful how you use my name. I know evil like no other.

Peter: 19th Jun 2008 - 17:24 GMT

chiam: ip info indicates amsterdam. i wonder how dutch translates into korean? lol...

eg: not all vegans are fanatical ;) though id pass on the meat hat myself, the photos of that stuff did crack me up!

EvilGentleman: 19th Jun 2008 - 17:49 GMT

True Peter. That is why I use fanatical as an adjective and not a noun in its own right. It differentiates the fanatical vegans from the quieter zagg-like ones. Actually, there are a lot of vegetarians here. You, zagg, CE...

I have no choice but to be a meat-eater. Everytime I look at tofu, I can hear the soybean plants screaming in my mind. Soybean plants are softer, less polluting and much better-smelling than cows. That is why I would rather kill cows than innocent soybean plants.

zagg: 19th Jun 2008 - 21:29 GMT

With so many vegetarians, maybe I'll have to have an entire post dedicated to my vegetable garden: JUST YOU KIDS WAIT UNTIL MY EGG PLANTS BARE ME SOME PURPLE ORBS OF YUMMNESS (now only 73% evil!)

"It differentiates the fanatical vegans from the quieter zagg-like ones" --- LOVE IT!

Mmmm soybeans. Tasty, tasty murder!

From the one 'korean comment': " Laugh! Laughter, your sickness and fat Americans! You will die before me, and your soul is a den of demons boneless beef!"

Uh, I laugh, yes - but as a fat canadian and I sold my sole (to an American) a decade ago --- UPDATE YOUR RECORDS!

chiamattt: 19th Jun 2008 - 21:47 GMT

Amsterdam eh? Perhaps a tourist from Mokpo was hittin the brownies a little hard before starting to write his/her comment?

CE: 19th Jun 2008 - 22:43 GMT

Can I go from being a passive vegetarian to the token crazy vegan??

MEAT IS MURDER!!!

ANIMALS HAVE SOULS TOO!!!

...et cetera

zagg: 19th Jun 2008 - 23:31 GMT

Hey Evil, familiar with The Arrogant Worms?

"Vegetables live in oppression
Served on our tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness
I say we take up the fight

Salads are only for murderers
Cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings
Just 'cause a radish can't scream"

Terry S. Singeltary Sr.: 29th Jun 2008 - 18:53 GMT

TO the Honorable and Brave people of Korea, keep up your fight for the truth.
YOU are winning. ...terry

www.grassrootsnetroots.org/articles/article_12387.cfm

to be continued. ...TSS

chae sone: 7th Jul 2008 - 12:58 GMT

Mad cowed assemblymen.

WHO REPRESENTS KOREA?
The Korean people want to be free from the mad cow riots. It reminds Rousseau’s statement. “Man is born free, yet everywhere he is chains.” In this social condition, he proposed an idea of a representative government. So the citizens send their elected representatives to the parliament to present the voice of the people to find solutions for the problems.
Now in Korea, the government is a representative democratic system.
Under the present circumstances, the opposition parties are boycotting the assembly to prevent the opening of the new assembly. Thus, the opposition leaders are neglecting their own duties to represent the people. In other words, they abandoned their responsibilities as the representatives of the people. Outside the parliament, they do not have a legitimate voice or a forum. If they have a legitimate disagreement with the beef import issue, they should come to tell their opinion to the national assembly. They are just trying to paralyze the function of the government.
Thus, their very action is destructive and disqualifies their representation –A reverse course to the parliamentary system.
It is questionable if the government authority has the power to dismiss the disobedient opposition members. If so, it should oust them and let the people have a new election for their own true representation. Otherwise the society can not stand in peace under the status of “misgivings.” Needless to say KorUSFTA benefits.
BAN KI MOON, UN SECRETARY
Even if they have a disagreement with the beef imports, they should have convened the assembly even during the demonstrations.
More over, the national Assembly knew that UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon will visit Korea. They should have prepared in advance to receive him. Thus, UN Secretary Ban Ki Moon should have been respectably welcomed, as an international dignitary, and let him speak to the Assembly that represented the Korean people. But, they failed miserably as they violated their protocol in the occasion. Unfortunately, the UN secretary did not have a chance to speak proudly to his countrymen, Koreans, who were saved by the UN army. Thus, the Korean people scarred themselves, as if their representatives were ignorant derelicts. They seemed to have ignored their own status as the assemblymen. They just tried to snub the Lee Myung Bak government.
However, the opposition leaders actually snubbed themselves as if spitting into each other’s face. What a shameful action?
They misrepresented Koreans’ image to the world.
Koreans must know that South Korea was able to preserve its tiny territory because UN member nations sacrificed their lives to save South Korea from the communist aggressors.
But they missed the great opportunity to express the Korean gratitude to the Secretary who represents the member nations. Because of their misrepresentation, the Korean people be ashamed of themselves.
The Secretary is a proud Korean citizen. Thus, the Korean people are considered to be honored so much in the international scene because of his statue.
Imagine if these mobs had taken over the legitimate government in riots, what would happen to the people? Their suffering would be much worse than the mad cow ghosts can give.
GORBACHEV KIM
Remember the procommunist demonstrators that your mentor Kim Jong Il is evolving into Gorbachev Kim. You do not have any other place to go now but Myanmar or Zimbabwe. Korea should keep up its pace according to the change of East Asian political scene. The denuclearization is both US and our victory.
The opposition leaders and senseless demonstrators owe an apology to the nation. Especially, the undignified religious leaders should be ashamed of their not-so-saintly, subnormal spirituality, joining the senseless mad cow demonstrators against the very new government that you did not give even
a short period of honeymoon. Don’t you think you are cruelly mad cowed? – Think over! Where to go from here?

Wake up! Stay on the line of law and order! Eat beef; work harder, Korea will be beautiful for ever. It’s yours.

Andy: 9th Jul 2008 - 13:10 GMT

I'm sure that kid isn't planning to hit any baseballs with that bat.
Some "peaceful" protest you seem to be having there.

And those comments were not written by a Korean. Someone just having fun with an online translator.