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Jersey PIG: 13th Aug 2006 - 22:11 GMT

Hey being in a biking family within the biking world,some outlaws and some not, Non-1%er myself, I understand that in the Biker world you have the 1 % that is OutLaw Clubs.. but just because a person wears colors on thier back,and rides, do not assume they belong to the criminal element of Outlaw bikers... social clubs and family clubs with colors are organized for the Love of riding, with nothing but Law abiding citizens.
also where I am from having an organized club in your Nieghborhood is Great.. they don't sell in thier back yard and I agree with others here.. if your give them respect the offer nothing but the same ...

safe riding

horen som gidder å moch you good: 14th Aug 2006 - 01:33 GMT

a BOME is set to blow op somwhere,,,

EvilGentleman: 14th Aug 2006 - 08:57 GMT

Oh no! Not a BOME! Call the BOME squad! BOMEHEAD!

sal seville: 14th Aug 2006 - 16:45 GMT

bad ass dudes much respect to the angels...i met living in bayrigde mike the bike..rip...i used to be a graffiti writter ...and hung out with and taged with his brother cc ftw....i wrote krooklyn tbk tfv tns in those days and held it down on 61st and 4th ave..bklyn ..unser the watchful eyes of the dirtyones gang....though i was from turban saint turf...another long story.....peace to the hell angels..krooklyn.....

curious one: 16th Aug 2006 - 01:41 GMT

i have family in the club and i was wondering about the spiritual stuff in the club like wicca

What biziness?: 18th Aug 2006 - 17:44 GMT

Hope yall have learned that all criminal activity is related but slightly competitive only if evryone is getting a piece. None is needed but the guys know that someone will do it if they dont step up, even the feds maybe. The feds witnessed a barfight in dayton in 2001, and called in teams from Quantico! Not to help but to make sure the dead witness (killed at the bar, I needed)wasnt called when he was alive so another case, arson, murder evidence could be saved. Poor innocent one was me. Lost two recordings after the fire stolen from acoustic guitar tapes. One was sampled in 7 mixes and sold over 14million copies. Nice at a penny a sale let alone the full 8 cents for a complete trak. yeah they like to make it hurt.

smartlyn: 21st Aug 2006 - 13:04 GMT

don't about these angels. In Amsterdam were i used to live they also were respected by surrounding neighbours.So much so that cafe and restaurant owners gladly payed for their services as security managers. And indeed, as long as they payed there was nothing to worry about..

HAWK FROM BAYONNE: 25th Aug 2006 - 13:01 GMT

PLEASE I KNOW A FEW HELLS ANGELS JUST BECAUSE OTHER BIKE CLUBS SELL DRUGS PLEASE DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT THEY SELL METH OR CRANK,THEY ARE NOW A CORPARATION.YOU SHOW THEM RESPECT THEY WILL SHOW RESPECT TO YOU.BUT IF YOU ONLY GO BY WHO SAID THAT OR WHO SAID THIS.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF FOOLS THAT HATE BIKES THERE ARE 1,000S OF GOOD ONES .BUT YOU NEVER HAVE ANTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE GOOD BIKERS .YOUS LOOK FOR TROUBLE YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYONE BUYING DRUGS FROM THE HELLS ANGELS.
I AM NOT ABLE TO TELL YOU ANY THING ALL I KNOW IS THE FEW GUYS FROM THE CLUB HOUSE ON THE LOWER EAST SIDE ARE GREAT GUYS.I READ JERSEY PIG NOW HES TELLING YOU THE REAL DEAL I HAVE BEEN A BIKER FOR OVER 40 YEARS
NEVER HAD ANY TROUBLE WITH ANY ONE .I GAVE RESPECT TO PEOPLE I KNOW THAT DESERVE RESPECT.PLEASE GUYS DO NOT BUY THOSE LOOK A LIKE HARLEYS YOU SPEND GOOD MONEY FOR IT BUT WHEN YOU GO TO SELL IT NO ONE WANTS A USED JAP BIKE I LOVE MY HARLEY DAVIDSON WITH A 124 INCH S&S MOTOR TOP END ALSO S&S AND THE HEADS THAT I SENT OUT TO T.P. ENGINEERING THEY SAID THEY COULD POLISH THE HEADS SO I COULD GET MUCH MORE HORSEPOWER I AM NOT EXPECTING TO GET ALOT MORE HORSE POWER BUT I KNOW I WILL GET A FEW MORE
LIKE THEY AWAYS SAY LET IT EAT ALOT AND S-IT IT OUT FAST

Toronto Watcher: 26th Aug 2006 - 00:37 GMT

I live in the Toronto Area and there are over 180 Hells Angels running 18 charters here. The cops are charged with 20 times the crimes the Angels are in Ontario, and they turn a blind eye to almost every crime a cop commits and bang the Angels for everything they can.
Im not saying the Angels are lilly white, but there's good and bad in every group-- even your's.
www.realdealnews.com GEt The Truth. and check the police blotter there.It might surprize you.

Jesus's Friend: 26th Aug 2006 - 02:31 GMT

I would never support the Hell's Angels. The are discusting. The murder kill. Those who say they are so courtious. Well, think about it this way,when the next person want to join the croud of Hell's Angele's, then they have to kill to get in. What would you do if it was your mother, father, chilren, yourself then you leave your kids behind to join them to. THEY ARE Devil Worshipers. And their day will come. We, its time to go in front of the real Master.

jeeff: 26th Aug 2006 - 15:20 GMT

jesus's friend makes a good point about the murder kill.

Mike Ponytail : 1st Sep 2006 - 19:45 GMT

The angels are here to stay. Thay took over a place that the cops could not do anything with back in 69!!. The place was full of hooker dealers and main liners. Today it is a place that meny people want to live there & call home but with out HA the place would be a hole in the ground.Thay did not ask you new comers to live there you came because it was safe and on the way up. Also remember that the city give them a plack for having the safest street in the city.

mikey b: 2nd Sep 2006 - 14:29 GMT

ehere is the exact location? I am a big fan and would like to take some pictures with them..

big tek: 2nd Oct 2006 - 00:03 GMT

looking for a friend that i was in service with big mike.anyone know him?

Jammy: 4th Nov 2006 - 22:50 GMT

I love these peoples they are complete legends! anyone no how to join?

if anyone lives in england i would like to no... these guys are the best people i met... the nices 'Gang' i have ever met. HA FOR lIFE!

Jammy

if anyone noes how to join gimmi an email : jdollow@gmail.com

Ringo: 17th Nov 2006 - 23:43 GMT

Jesus's Friend

When the HA or any other bike club has committed as much SIN or caused as much horror in the world as your average brand of Christianity has, then you'll have something to shout about. The difference is most people wearing a patch have the minerals to take personal responsibility for their own actions and not nail it on some guy who died 2000 years ago (pun intended).

If you think its ok to live in fear of the "good and loving father" then feel free to do so, if you truely believe that God gave people free choice, then you should respect these people for doing just that and living as they choose, while your too scared of burning in a Hell created by your heavenly Dictator. Already you have failed to live up to your beliefs "Judge not, less you be judged?" Ooops looks like you just got a bit nearer to spending eternity in Hell with some hairy ass bikers, who at least will know why they are there in the first place - Thats if you believe that wearing a patch with pride makes you evil, When we do good no one rememebers..............

susannah: 18th Nov 2006 - 22:26 GMT

Is it true that you have to kill someone to join? I think thats the point JF was trying to make. That seems like a pretty stupid reason to kill a person. I like Harley's but I think that men who join groups like that are sick neanderthals. Tell you what, they treat women like crap. Ringo - you don't know the first thing about being a Christian, you don't even know enough to entertain a dialog.

Ringo: 19th Nov 2006 - 01:10 GMT

Susannah, if you have the gift of logic, please try and apply it, if there you had muder to join a bike club do you think they would not of been shut down by now, do yuo think the powers that be do not watch any organisation the consider a "criminal orginisation" very closely? What offends me is not your attack on people who are more than capable of defending their own corner. Its the fact that you repeat heresay as if you know it to be Gospel, whilst professing to to be a Christian, and just as Jesus's friend you leap to JUDGE others, surely it is for God to Judge and not you?

Not only do fail to understand the people you are judging, you fail to find out the truth for yourself and go on heresay, if you are going to live by the "Truth of Jesus" then do it. Jesus had time for all and granted every person the right to turn away from sin etc. If you had bee naround at the time you would not of had time to lisen to the Lord, you would of been to busy stoning someone!!! If you feel harshly judged, I'm glad; perhapes you will be less quick to judge in future. The trouble with most Christians I have met is they are intolerent of any who is not a christian. If you truely believe in Christ ask yourself if you have acted in good faith with what you profess to believe? You seem to think that wearing a patch makes you a bad person, in fact to most who choose to do so, its a way of life, I get the feeling your a law abiding citizen, one who folows the law blindly becasue its the right thing to do. Its not your fault if your taxes pay for the bombing of innocent kids, hell they are probably Islamic anyway so they were going to burn in Hell anyway? Right? Do you not believe that God gave people free will?

Bex: 19th Nov 2006 - 19:48 GMT

Heyy, i'm doing research on a street gang for skool n i wanna no weva u losers kill n torture peeple, u seem ryt weirdos, its all death n woteva, im a punk n i aint sum sicko that jus wants peeple 2 die!!! sort urselvs out!!!

susannah: 20th Nov 2006 - 01:51 GMT

Ringo,I never said anything to indicate any of the things that you seem to believe I think, except that HA treat women badly. Maybe its not HA per se, but biker popular culture. I'm not judging there, but pointing out the obvious (How would you like to be treated the way biker chicks are portrayed in biker magazines?). I still maintain that you don't know the first thing about my beliefs, and your comment prooves it. My faith is about serving others in love. You have absolutely no idea, no clue whatsoever what it means to be a Christian. If anyone has been doing any judging its you...

Ringo: 23rd Nov 2006 - 15:35 GMT

Ok Susannah lets read what you wrote to begin with!

"I like Harley's but I think that men who join groups like that are sick neanderthals."

Is that not making a judgement?

"Tell you what, they treat women like crap."

Ditto

And now you continue

"except that HA treat women badly"

Have you ever been mistreated or seen a HA Member mistreat a woman?

(How would you like to be treated the way biker chicks are portrayed in biker magazines?).

Grow up

I know more about christianity than you do about bikers or the 81.

I respect your right to believe what you wish about a long dead person. I cannot respect the way you have condemed a group of people that you have never met and know of only through heresay.

Last thought George Bush and Tony Blaire are both Christians, how many dead children and innocents are they responsible for. Oh throw in a few burnt "Witchs in the olden days" The vaticans link to many disgusting crimes against the innocent. Catholic preists with a fondness for young boys, do we need to go on?

jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:01 GMT

well ringo, i say i know more about everything than you do. does that mean i win the argument now?

your rant against christianity is completely beside the point and is a transparent attempt to draw the argument away from the inconvenient facts: a vast body of evidence suggests that hell's angels are indeed thugs and misogynists. wearing a patch doesn't make someone bad, except when that patch identifies them as a member of a group of murderers, drug dealers, and extortionists.

people on the internet will argue anything, but your misguided and unconvincing attempts here aren't going to fly very far for most people, except a few other gang apologists who have a vested interest in believing something that clearly runs contrary to both facts and common sense.

Guy McLaren: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:20 GMT

So have either of you actually met/spoke to a Hells Angel? I have and neither of you seems to have a clue.

jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:48 GMT

www.cbc.ca/news/background/bikergangs/ont-massmurder-timeline.html

that happened just outside my hometown. one of the victims lived right around the corner from my house in toronto. not saying i met him, but these guys are active in our communities. i worked at the cn tower and was personally involved when they had a big meeting at the tower's revolving restaurant. friends of mine who were djs and event promoters in the late 90s had plenty of problems with the hell's angels.

i don't claim to be any expert, but i stand by my claim that ringo's argument is bullshit. i have no sympathy for members of organized crime, even if they're "nice guys."

jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:55 GMT

ps. i'll retract 'misogynist' as a blanket statement, tho i've seen a couple of individual hell's angels at a highway rest stop acting pretty poorly.

Ringo: 24th Nov 2006 - 12:54 GMT

The "rant" againts christianity was actually more to do with the inferance that christains are superior to antyone wearing a patch. I have not said that pathc holders are whiter than white. I don't know any who pretend to be. Guy, Yes I have met, Know and partied with HA members in the UK and in Europe, I have never known them to be anything but good hosts, these are people just like everyone else.

If you expect a 1% club member to live by the rules of society then you have an urealistic view of life. When you decide to wear a patch, you are making a very public statement about who you choose to live your life. Some people wearing patchs have been convicted of various crimes, as have lawyers, judegs, police officers, priests, school teachers, the list is endless. The HA and other 1% clubs are Motor Cycle, yes they like to party, yes there have been incidents of violence over the years, have you ever bumped into a bunch of drunken squaddies on a saturday night? I don't think for a moment any club wants to be seen as whiter than white, but to call every member of a club a crininal or a murderer or rapist is going way accross the line. If you really want to know go find an Angel and ask him!!! If you are really that intersted.

http://www.hells-angels.com/faq.htm

susannah: 25th Nov 2006 - 01:29 GMT

..I will concede that I know very little about the HA except what I have been exposed to in the media. I remember many years ago an open house for a rental apartment in the lower east side was shut down because it was near one of their hangouts. They (HA) basically told me and about 20 other starving students to get lost and we did -along with a very nervous real estate agent. Now it wasn't their property, and I find that pretty offensive. But in the long run, I'm pretty sure they did us all a favor. I do, however, have a problem with people who sell drugs, regardless of where they do it. They are ruining lives and communities, and most likely these are communities that are already struggling to keep it together.

jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:43 GMT

there's a big difference between regular bike clubs and biker gangs like the hell's angels. you're doing normal bikers a big disservice by blurring that line. the hell's angels who moved into the party scene in ottawa and montreal in the late 90's did so because they wanted to sell ecstacy and cocaine at parties, tho they obviously wouldn't sell it to individuals themselves because they're too high up the food chain. they moved forcefully into this business, relying on implicit or explicit threats of violence, and offering "security".

you'd make a great PR person, because you're excellent at saying "reasonable" things that aren't true. there's a big difference between breaking the law as an individual and breaking it as part of a group that's committed to crime for profit. the difference lies in the fact that members of gangs shield each other from law enforcement and other retaliation by sheer numbers, pooled financial resources, and the volume of violence they can threaten.

yes, gangs have been successful at covering up their activities in the past, partly because they're so powerful (like in quebec). but how do you explain maurice 'mom' boucher, leader of quebec's nomads chapter, who is a convicted murderer and sexual predator. take a look at his bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Boucher how is this guy an exceptional case when he runs/ran the entire province??

corrupt cops, priests, and politicians surely do exist, but again, what does that have to do with the hell's angels and their destructive 'way of living'? it's just more misdirection.

Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:57 GMT

No Jeeff the Hells angels are a bike club with some members that are criminal, some that are do gooders and others that are just their. Blaming the badge for the misdeneanours of the minority is almost as clever as G Bush is attacking the innocents to get at a few criminals.

Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:59 GMT

In fact that is the same as calling all white South Africans racist because they are white, are calling all Americans stupid because of the world cup that only features american teams.

jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 16:13 GMT

that's bullshit. the hell's angels are an organization, whereas south africans, americans and george bush are not. the hell's angels are one of the most active criminal organizations in canada, so how can the criminal activity be considered a "minority" aspect of the group here, regardless of how many members are directly participating in the crimes and how many aren't? those "do-gooders" give up their claim to goodness by signing up to such a group. they're acting as a shield for the more active criminal upper ranks, and therefore are aiding the gang whether they realize it or not. i'm sure some members don't realize it, and are instead just sad dupes taken in by the kind of rebel image marketed by people like ringo.

Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 17:29 GMT

oh crap, most peeps join a club for the socialization and because they have a buddy in the club. I belonged to a club that had a bad chapter but people like you painted us all as bad bastards. In fact some of the chapters did almost as much as the Round Table who I later joined. We had a good working relationship wit the Angels (Johannesburg chapter) as well as a whole lot more rough and tough biking groups. Blaming an organization for the sins of the members is short sighted at best.

jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 20:41 GMT

it may be different in south africa, but in canada i can't see why any "do-gooder" would want to join the hell's angels. why not another group? i hate to see criminal organizations hiding behind a respectable front because it just perpetuates their illegal activities. then again, the world is not simple or black & white. for example, in japan the yakuza are well known for helping out communities in kobe and niigata after their respective earthquakes, long before government aid arrived. but they're also known for a whole bunch of bad things.

jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 22:03 GMT

one more comment on the subject before i'm officially done:

to be absolutely clear, i question the morality of hell's angels members because biker gangs are voluntary organizations, as opposed to racial, ethnic, or state groups, which one is involuntarily born into. social groups like biker gangs are held together by a system of rules, norms, and hierarchies that new members consciously buy into, and perpetuate. each new member who agrees to these rules is strengthening them, and contributing to the gang's strength as an organization. by choosing to join, and affirming the group, they must accept a degree of responsibility for the actions of the group as a whole.

Ringo: 25th Nov 2006 - 22:25 GMT

Susannah, christian bashing is not acceptable either, the object here is to point out that the actions of the few do not define the whole. I have a friend who is deeply christian and at times we butt heads during conversations we have, we both respect each other though. The Hells Angels are what hey are, no one disputes that members of the club have commited crimes, been jailed etc. What is in dispute is the fact that everyone in that club or any similar club are gangsters and all into organised crime.

Jeeff I dont think anyone with an ounce of reason would try and accuse the Hells Angels of trying to hide behind a repsectable front. The Angels are an outlaw bike club. Whats in dispute is what outlaw means, to me and many others its a statement that we dont want to buy into the bullshit laid down by the man. I dont want to tell anyone how to live their life and I resent that anyone should tell me how to live mine. My kids attend a christian school, which hopefully will ground them in the basic teachings of Jesus, when they are older I hope they will grow to realise that you can live a decent life without having to worship anything, but if they decide that they want to become members of a church I will respect their choice.

I have know people in bike clubs I wouldnt want to spend a moment of time with and others (a great majority) who I would trust with anything I care about.

Any bike club is composed of people, people are good and bad in all walks of life. If you provoke someone with a patch you can be sure of a responce that is the nature of patch clubs.

I am offended that the choice to wear a patch is seen as a choice to be evil. It is unusual for any issues with a bike club to extend past the line of issues with another bike club. There is no excuse for innocent people to be victims of any dispute, anywhere, anytime ever.

If you beleive in freedom then you have to believe in the right of the Angels or any other club to ride with pride, if you are happy to legislate them out of existance, whos next? If you believe everything you read or see in the media your liable to find yourself in a society where suddenly Jews are living in nice holiday camps, or possibly blue collar workers lose the right to vote. Hopefully we will live in a society where the individual is responsibile for his crimes and the indvidual pays the price of his crimes.

susannah: 26th Nov 2006 - 10:19 GMT

Ringo - I agree with you on most points - except when you say "you can live a decent life without having to worship anything", only because everybody worships something. Everyone has something that he builds his life around. As far as decent life, many Christians don't live "decent lives" whether by choice or circumstances. Anyway - I respect the way you made your arguments without resorting to insults which many would have done by now. I'll admit I was a little incensed by that "long dead" comment, but I shouldn't have assumed you meant it disrespectfully.

anon (ctb-cache4-vif0.saix.net): 26th Nov 2006 - 13:32 GMT

Susannah, not everyone worships something, some worship me but that does not make it neccessary. I don't worship anything except maybe my wife. Does that make me bad because I don't buy into your religious views?

Guy McLaren: 26th Nov 2006 - 13:37 GMT

Jeef most peeople join because they have a buddy in the club, not to be do gooders, that sometimes is just a by product of membership. In fact I have joined organisations in the past for the benefit to me and have so doing benefited many others. If you look for the bad you will find it, seek out enlightenment and good and you too will find it among those you condemn. Even Christian groups are full of lying conniving back stabbing wallies, mind you there are a few good christians too.

susannah: 26th Nov 2006 - 15:07 GMT

Anon, I didn't really understand your comment but no, I don't think it makes you bad. For better or for worse I'm not one of those people who expects or even wants everyone to see things the way I do. I believe what I believe out of a sense of personal calling more than anything, and the only thing I know for sure is that I don't know everything.

Ringo: 26th Nov 2006 - 23:20 GMT

Susannah, I'm the kind of person who believes in live and let live, I disagree that we all worship something, I don't count myself as knowing whether or not there is a god or god's. I have looked into Christianity enough to see serious flaws in it that I just can't buy into. At the end of the day you have a right to belive whatever you believe, as we all should. My issues with SOME christians is that they see there way as the only way and every man woman or child is to burn in hell unless the ybow down to Christ as their saviour. How can we ever have peace in the world when one religion tells all others that yours is the only way?

At the moment there are evangical and fundemental Christian groups who are supporting war in the far east as they see this is a way of bringing closer the end times. Now surely if you were a true believer you would think that God will choose the time and place?

It was jesus's friend who brought Christ into this and his seeming knowledge that on "Judgement Day" he is already on the fast track to heaven.

I hope you find comfort in your faith Susannah, I know that for a moment that you will not even consider that you may be wrong in what you believe. The rest of us must deal with life in our own way, I believe that a good deed is a good deed and a bad deed a bad one, no matter who commits it.

ScentuousOne..Dec10/2006: 10th Dec 2006 - 16:28 GMT

Ive read all these arguments above..you so called christian people bashing HA for the things SOME OF the members have done..you are not paying attention to what is going on in the world..How many prists have molested children over the years, how many so called good guys have killed their family in the name of jesus christ..and i love the bush statement..he is one of the anti christs and yet he is called a christian..

HA , blacks, whites, christians, holy rollers what ever..theres is good and bad people in all of them no matter where you go..and just for heads up ..WE ALL ARE SINNERS..so get off your goody two shoes high horse and look inside your own organization before you place judgement on another..

HAVE A GOOD DAY

bill: 12th Dec 2006 - 04:06 GMT

the hells angels dont bother anyone unless you start with them, so why is everyone talking shit, on them. thats the hole problem everyone judges them because of all the bad stuff they have heard about them, is that fair to them, no. dont judge anyone unless you have been in there shoes. keep rollin BiG RED MACHiNE, some of us out here love you guys.

wiggels: 27th Dec 2006 - 01:11 GMT

i am a new rider and i bought my bike out of a H A ran store all i can say is they took my money mixed things that i broke and surve me great i also bought a bike for my wife not from the store and still got a good deal on any thing i want done to it but i also know to shut my mouth and dont try to talk about there business when i am there cause its none of my business be4 i got my bike i went down to the harley davidson store near by and got treated like a nobody cause i had on my work clothes not the nice clothes that other new riders had on even tho my $$$$ was as green as thier's so what i am trying to say is give respect get respect

to: 22nd Jan 2007 - 18:15 GMT

i never had a pro with the angels my mom and dad have rode for years and my grandpa too and soon i will the told me that if i ever have any problems the angels are there to help my dad broke down on the highway one time and he was in california a area of that state that he didnt know to well and they rode past him and stoped and fixed his bike that is damn cool i know many people who would not do that

genn: 22nd Jan 2007 - 19:07 GMT

i can see that everyone has their own personal opinion about hellz angels. Its like a well known family. they have their business, problems, just like a normal family would. yes the sell yes they kill..thats what some people do. Its a gang, but it does not mean they dont have a heart. I see so many gangsters walking around my home town. and hear so many crimes and have friends that are dead from gangs..but its your choice to get involved. if you dont want shit to happen or get in a fight. dont cause it, its that simple. you think they will kill for no reason? no. maybe you should be thankful for some of the people they have killed. that person might have been some punk ass that might have effed with your family. you never know things might happen to you. but i know that things happen for a reason. If they are "bad people" im sure they would be dead by now. its all in the hands of the big man up stairs. he is in control.
ya dig?

Griff: 22nd Jan 2007 - 22:26 GMT

To the initil poster.
It's East 3rd, not East 13th.

susannah: 27th Jan 2007 - 16:23 GMT

Granted I have a very poor memory but I seem to recall there was a Hell's Angels hang out on E13th as well. (But I haven't been to the lower east side in over 15 years!)
Also Ringo - just so you know many Christians do not support, nor did they ever support the war in the middle east, many of us were alone when we spoke out against invasion, this "end of times" stuff is mostly spin...the entire country was manipulated into this debacle,which was on Bush's personal agenda before he even came into office. I just wanted to point that out (hopefully, in an non-provocative manner - ).
When I read over these threads I realize that we are the flip side of the same coin. I had a knee-jerk reaction to what I perceived as insults to people I spend most of my time with (share struggles with, celebrate achievements with etc. etc.)which was in response to your very same knnee jerk reaction to similar innsults about people you care about. Yes we Christians have alot of crazies - just like the HA have alot of criminals ..but for us to argue about itand in the process justify what they do is silly. Anyway- Thank you for giving me things to think about.

cha cha cha: 30th Jan 2007 - 03:18 GMT

ooooh.... someone's in trouble....
www.gothamist.com/archives/2007/01/29/developing_show.php

devil doc: 8th Feb 2007 - 20:45 GMT

Live and Let live. I remeber wen i was 14- 15 years old hanging out in front of CB GB'S and talking to a few members of the HA. Down right cool people. I never got mugged as kid or jumped by any street gang thugs. As a matter of fact I felt some sort of refuge in the fact that they were around because it prevented me from getting jumped on more than one occasion by street gang thugs simply because in the 80's I was little punk rocker wearing Camo pants and Army boots and they were into the Hip Hop thing. I have never met an HA that has not been very respectful as long as he was treated with the same respect. If you guys have not learned a thing about them know this it is about "RESPECT" period. That is the only thing you need to know. What is Ironic is that today I am a police officer. But if I had to do it all over againg I would Rather be Red & White because I have never met one who was not a man in all sense of the word. Remember HA does not care how you live your life. Just don't interfere in their life.

eagles 32: 15th Mar 2007 - 20:41 GMT

my grandpas brother got put in a 50 gallon drum and got shot and throughn in sanfran sisco bay becase he wanted to leave to have a family but what he didn't know was his family was the hells angels then they theatened to kill my grandpa and his family

finish em off: 16th Mar 2007 - 19:53 GMT

We live in a beautiful 1st world country with endless options and yet greed cruelty violence corruption and deceipt still plaugue us. These people have no consideration for anyone around them but themselves, they dont have any conception about the people they hurt. They will kill whomever and wherever seems "necessary". How many inocent people have to die because of some BULLSHIT caused by ignorant men! Sometimes people dont know what pain is until they have something terrible happen to themselves. Why dont we just send all these bastards overseas and let them watch each other be blown up everyday. Better them dead than some young kid.

Jadeluvgrl: 26th Apr 2007 - 00:04 GMT

I think the Hells Angels are nice !!! Bikers in clubs get a bad rap, my boyfriend is the president of a biker club. The women are treated very well, and most of the guys would do all they could to help anyone out!

iman: 26th Apr 2007 - 00:11 GMT

i completely agree with jadeluvgrl. thats just a stereotype about biker guys. that they're women-beating drunks who always fight and cause trouble. i hate stereotypes. like how people have stereotyped me and my friends because we are poor and don't live in the best towns. people have to stop stereotyping.

miguel ayala aka Mike: 12th May 2007 - 11:34 GMT

Hi I remember when i was in a bicycle club and we went to visit the HellsAngels on E3rd st and they were the coolest people, they treated us with respect,as for the noise what about the cars with broken mufflers or those ninja bikes that are used recklessly,as a biker myself at the ripe age of 51 i think they should leave the Hells Angels alone and sto bugging them? thankyou sincerely Mike

anon (cache-ntc-ab09.proxy.aol.com): 8th Jun 2007 - 23:52 GMT

trust me hells angels are worse than people think. they are good at pr public realitions. they put on a good show but the public dont know the truth.its the downward spiral of stupidity in america! people are suckers and decieved very easy. most live in a surburban make believe fantasy worlds and know nothin about the 1%er outlaw biker culture. they see it on tv and think they no it all. what about mom boucher in canada? hells angels and canadas biggest crime lord. check him out folks. you all need to get educated.

EX HAMC MEMBER: 9th Jun 2007 - 03:05 GMT

I was a Hells Angel for 30 years and quit. I became a born again christian. most of them were meth dealers or crank dealers. Hells Angel member Kenny Owen still a member in oakland california was the best meth cooker in the world and made milllions on it. he taught other HA members to cook crank to over the years. this is still where they make most there money to live the high life and never work. even though they like to make you believe they work. some do most dont. they club takes up to much time to hold on to a regular job and when you gotta work it just gets in your way of club business doesnt work out when your on call by the club 24/7. the angels are not what they portray to be. they are bad and they are not nice.i was with them for 30 yrs. i seen violence all around me. women ,kids, whoever got in the way.

miguel ayala aka Mike: 11th Jun 2007 - 11:56 GMT

To Ex HAMC member: If the Hells Angels are so Bad as you say they are then what does that say about you?? you say you were a member for 30 yrs, it makes me think why did you stay? I have a hard time trusting what you say, what chapter did you belong to??

christian biker: 11th Jun 2007 - 21:41 GMT

there is many ex 1%er christian bikers here in california. the biggest is phil augulars church in aniheim california there is about 1500 members from ha ,vagos,mongols,its called set free church.there is also ex bloods,crips, ab aryan brotherhood ,surfers, skateboarders, it is a very cool church. nothin like it anywhere else. they help ex cons and give them a home and help them find jobs. barry mayson ex hamc from charleston south carolina has a big bunch of ex 1%er christian bikers at his church. check him out at www.salvationsaloon.com

Lisa: 14th Jun 2007 - 04:07 GMT

Interesting topic, seems to be debated often. Let us sum up the facts: The Hells Angels are outlaws, 1%er's if you will. Outlaws do not live by societal restraints and generally oh make their living committing crimes, hence outlaws. Hells Angels believe in hierarchy and therefore woman are expected to be submissive to their demands and not raise issue with them in front of others or at all if they can avoid it - which after years of deniable violence I am surprised they haven't figured you can't cure a woman from nagging or bitching.

A lot of what the cops say about the HA is true. The HA are criminals and will lie to maintain their freedom - not debating about whether or not cops lie too - Yes they do - what the HA says of cops is also true. They are in a sophisticated game of cops and robbers, where the guns and money are real and so is the cheating, drugs, partying,etc.

Bottom line is they are outlaws - my guess as to why they are so respectful to others, is not everybody knows everybody and everybody's kids, so if hypothetically I run into a member - they are more likely to treat me with respect until (1) I give them reason not to and (2) They verify who my family members are.

They can be very nice and will "die" for the people they care about, in some cases even when the sentiment isn't reciprocated. Usually it is on some level or another.

As far as someone who says they were with them for 30 years - a trusted member perse and is now walking with Christ and then just throws someone under the bus like that, I have no respect for. Why? Because my God doesn't judge and in order for me to be an effective witness to them - my God wouldn't allow me to jeopardize the truth they've entrusted to me - especially with information the cops already know about and anything the cops don't know about I pray to God I don't find out about - because honestly I don't want to know.

They are people bottom line - not the Gods that people try to make them out to be - they have emotions and vunerabilities just like the rest of us. If you're lucky enough to see them in their true human form with all of their vunerabilities - then as a Christian you'd know that sometimes all you can do is pray for them.

My advice - LEAVE THEM ALONE! If you're one of them or want to be one - pray on it and then pray again because the world you enter will be like one you have never known and similar to the Eagles "Hotel California" in many ways. There are a lot of things the public doesn't know and I sure in the hell won't tell you (besides most people wouldn't believe it) and that you won't find out unless you're in the club or in my case close to one who makes damn well sure you know the full truth - without really knowing the truth.

You all take care and people have to make their own choices in life and believe whatever they choose. I believe only what I've gotten from the HA directly or otherwise and I can tell you - I wouldn't cross them but not because I fear them or respect them out of fear - that just keeps me from hanging out with them - I wouldn't cross them because (1) I don't know anything and don't want to know anything and (2) I know they are just people and I love all people.

greg w : 29th Jun 2007 - 23:36 GMT

I THINK THE ANGLES ARE THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPEND TO THE WORLD AND IF I COULD I WOULD JOIN. real fast

miguel ayala aka Mike: 4th Jul 2007 - 23:23 GMT

To greg w
so would I and maybe someday i'll get the chance to go back to New York and stop by E3rd st and try to prospect for the brotherhood of the HA

miguel ayala aka Mike: 14th Jul 2007 - 13:23 GMT

Hi I would like to know if it is true that in order to become an Angel you have to ride a Harley??

shawn: 14th Jul 2007 - 18:23 GMT

me too but im pretty fuckin sure it aint gonna happen off this webset bahahahaha

Mama Mia: 16th Jul 2007 - 00:48 GMT

After spending reading all the comments, I've come to the conclusion that way too many people believe everything they read.Makes me wanna start a news paper and write that I'm God and I have all the answers. I swear people would believe it...lol. Now... is it true you have to kill to become a member? Please, gimme a break. Do you have to own a Harley Davidson to be a member? Wow HD should thank the club! No, you have to own a bike that was American made. Hence the "MC" thats on their patch...means motorcycle club....not harley davidson club. Crack dealin' meth sellin thugs...oh my! lol I could bet my eyes on a few cops that take drug money from your local neighborhood dealer to spend on their girlfriend while wifey is home takin care of the kids. I'm not saying they're all pure and holy...but neither are all Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers...on and on. Like they say...'One bad apple doesnt spoil the bushell'. Or whatever, you know what I mean. The Hells Angels are a club, thats it. A huge percent of them are dads, husbands, someones son or brother. They have a mortgage pay taxes and many have served this country in the military. In my humble lil opinion, I think they join the club for brotherhood and for the love of riding. Also, someone always has your back. Now can any of us that are reading say that? No matter what...someones got my back. You're damn lucky if you do. So, if you don't like the HAMC...don't join em, don't support em...whatever, leave em alone. The last time I saw a member, he was sheltering his graddaughter with his vest, in the rain, so she could watch the fireworks. What a vicious killer.

BEANZ: 16th Jul 2007 - 01:35 GMT

SOME PEOPLE WATCH TO MUCH TV MAN BRAVO TO ALL THE ANGELS THAT FLY TO LOW TO THE GROUND I SAY. HALF THE ONES I KNOW ARE VETS AND FOUGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO TYPE WHATEVER YOU WANT HERE. REPECT THESE DUDES THANK YOU PLUS THEY ARE LIKE ANY OTHER HUGE ORGANIZATION THEY ALL HAVE A FEW SCREW UPS TO GIVE THEM ALL A BAD NAME I THINK THERE WAS A SONG ONE BAD APPLE OR SOMETHING YADDA YADDA BUT HEY PEACE BE SAFE OUT THERE AND REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT WE LABEL OURSELVES WE ARE ALL AMERICAN OH YEH WHAT MAMA MIA SAID TOO LOL GREAT COMMENT

Mama Mia: 16th Jul 2007 - 05:01 GMT

For those who truly want to read the truth- take a look.
http://www.johnnybart81.com/

Wife of an angel to be!!: 28th Jul 2007 - 13:51 GMT

Mama Mia has said it all!! It seems to be the only comment that spoke the truth. My hubby is in the process of joining and let me tell you he hasn't had to kill any one!! The HA believe it or not has strong family values. All the members I have met do own homes and pay taxes. They are business owners and reliable employees. Lets not forget about the annual Toys for Tots ride every year. Come on people ask questions!!

miguel ayala aka Mike: 28th Jul 2007 - 14:19 GMT

To: Wife of an Angel to be, Hi I asked this question before but now that you can give me the right ansewer I'll ask it again..
is it true that you have to own a Harley to become a member????
thankyou. P.S. what chapter is your hubby joining?
always Mike

Mama Mia: 31st Jul 2007 - 06:24 GMT

Wife of Angel to be...I wish your husband luck prospecting. Thanks for the comments also, I felt like someone had to put a lil light on the subject.
And Miguel...the bike HA's own have to be American made. Not all American bikes are Harley. Ever see the retarded show American Chopper? (I can't stand the show...) But there are hundred of shops like that across the country.

Wife of an angel to be!!: 1st Aug 2007 - 15:03 GMT

Mama Mia,

I told my husband about these comments people were making he had a good laugh!! Especially the comment about having to kill to become a member, what a joke! As for the required bike being a Harley Davidson, this is the preferred bike, I can assure that you will never see a HA member on a Victory, another American made Bike!!. Alot of the members ride bikes they have built themselves. Let me get rid of another myth while I am here. You do not have to sign your bike over to the club.

Mama Mia: 1st Aug 2007 - 20:08 GMT

Wife,
I hear ya...when I was readin the comments...I was crackin up! Almost scarey what people believe out there. You;re right though, Harley is the preferred bike (warranty is a beautiful thing too, lol). Did you guys make it to Eurika Springs?

anon (blk-7-137-224.eastlink.ca): 6th Aug 2007 - 03:14 GMT

The Hells Angels are a motorcycle club, dedicated to the sport of touring on their bikes hence the MC(motorcycle club).Not every member has a criminal record or has been involved in criminal activity.There have been a few bad apples over the years who have been involved in shady things and those individuals have been punished or are being punished and paying their debt to society.It's important not to generalize and say that the whole organization is bad or that it is a criminal enterprise because of a few individuals. If you follow that reasoning you could make the argument that the government or some police departments are criminal organizations, they too have had and still have their share of bad apples and others who are involved in shady activity.
If they were a criminal organization why would it be required to own a Harley Davidson? You don't need a motorcycle to commit crimes however you do need one if you want to be in a motorcycle club(MC). So back off, leave them/us alone and let us enjoy our bikes and the open road.

suzb: 6th Aug 2007 - 22:54 GMT

A friend of mine has been invited to an HA party ( he works with the HA who invited him). With 2 purposes; 1) to check out joining and 2) to get his 14 month old son 'baptized'. Can someone tell me what the latter actually means in the HA world? And my friend did mention his Pink Slip for his bike(s) - as in turning over...? Mama Mia - R U sure about not signing ur bike over? Might different chapters have differing rules, like the way different states do?? AND, the last time I associated with some HA, I being a woman, who had an old man in a smaller now-defunct club, was up for grabs if an HA wanted me; which did happen in our home which was the now-defunct-club's clubhouse at the time. I did know the 1st Angel who had me and we'd had fun dancing and partying previously in life, but the 2nd one who had me that night, I didn't know and didn't feel I could refuse. He was very nice anyway. My old man didn't feel he could refuse either- didn't try. If I went to anything HA with my friend, would that still be the attitude towards women? Thanks, looking forward to ur answer(s).

Mama Mia: 6th Aug 2007 - 23:51 GMT

Suzb...
That's none of my business.
Questions like that should be asked to a member.
I can say though...I'm a woman and have always been treated with respect; whether with a member or non member. I feel as though I should show repect to everyone, whether it be Joe Blow or a member, because I want it in return.

suzb: 7th Aug 2007 - 00:16 GMT

Thanks. Sorry I must have overstepped some boundaries; you're obviously knowledgeable and those questions recently started burning in my brain; thats all. Again, thanks for your reply.
Respectfully, ; )
Suzb

81 Supporter Denver: 17th Aug 2007 - 16:55 GMT

As far as "Other peoples property" HA now has a stronge guidelines than back in the day. Sure there's prob ladies that like to be "passed around" but the rule is "if it's not yours, don't touch it"..going back to what was said up top, they have huge family values, support marrage, etc.

Talking about folks getting into trouble....I'll only say that not EVERYONE that's a member gets in to trouble. There are folks in every type of organization that will go out of their way to make a statement or "ruin" it for others if you will. If someone at your work place gets arrested for child abuse do they associate you with them too? I mean you work together right? So you must be involved in the same things as them right? Members join to become apart of a group of enthusiasts that are hardcore bikers and ride 24/7. I'd say the majority or members all have reg jobs, own homes, have famlies that would be very sad if something happen to their loved one. Most people would never endanger that relationship. The brotherhood, family and comradery like the military is something most people in this world need and should at least get a taste of at some point in their life. It's addicting. There are also many rules pertaining to drug use, fighting, etc...Sure someIf someone needs to explain it then you prob shouldnt know.

It's the world of the biker...there are unspoken rules, written rules, lots of respect and common scence to be used. It's all the same that goes for everyday living also. Nothing is diff in the biker world. Treat others as you'd like to be treated, period.Bikers just enforce it.

Wife of an angel to be!!: 21st Aug 2007 - 19:37 GMT

I have one question William, did I miss something? What does your email have to do with the topic?

miguel ayala aka Mike: 16th Sep 2007 - 22:30 GMT

Hi it has been awhile since I have said hello and I just wanted to know how are my fellow bikers doing,, I hopw all is well may you all have a safe ride bye for now always Mike

dan: 30th Oct 2007 - 04:02 GMT

the hells angels are very respectfull bikers. They ride with honor and are glad to help people out. you can talk all the shit you want but they are a great group to ride with. support your local 81. there kick ass mother fuckers. and if u don't, then go to hell!!! minneapolis good luch with your club house I hope to see a new on soon. you all kick ass. ride hard!!!

Gary: 31st Oct 2007 - 09:55 GMT

Much of what I read here reminds of comments about what gentlemen the German officers were in restaurants after they had invaded France! Listen here: The Hells Angels, each and every chapter in existence, is a centre for the manufacturing and distribution of meth, cocaine and sometimes heroin. not to mention date rape drugs. These are not rumours spread around to blacken the reputation of fun, colorful guys on hogs. The Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Inc. has been certified as a 'criminal conspiracy' in Canada and will be in the US eventually. I do not agree personally that suppression is the best way to handle the drug culture but what the HAMC is doing in much worse.
Am I the only one who remembers the Biker War in Quebec in the 90's? About 160 bikers of various patches were murdered with guns, bombs, saws - when an 8 year old boy named Daniel was murdered b a bomb and two retired cops working as prison guards were shot down in public, the cops were finally given the legislation and facilities to deal with them. Since that time, as police have been more and more aggressive, the HAMC has mounted a campaign of 'Poor us, we be just like you, John Q Public) that is something to see. Poor little bikers being harassed by stormtroopers...and good intentioned folks out there accept it, out of a kind of magical thinking that will only lead to disaster. The HAMC is worth millions and will say anything to protect their income streams, including whores of any age and paid contract hits.
I have spent 8 years researching the Quebec HAMC and other smaller clubs. Using that research I have written a fairly epic novel that will be published in December. THE ANGELS (lulu publishing, 2007) sums up a lot of what I saw and heard, but tells its story in a fictional style. I did my best to understand them as people but I tell you honestly, if I told the true stores, no one would believe me. Check out http://truthaboutangels.blogspot.com/ if you want to see a few of the stories the novel could not accomodate.

By the by, now that THE ANGELS is being published, out of a sense of self preservation, I have moved to Asia where I feel safer in the short run. THE ANGELS is going to piss off a lot of HAMC members and I expect their lawyers will try to suppress it. Screw them - they are cowards with guns and neither deserve not get in romantic accolades from me.

Montrealer: 16th Nov 2007 - 04:16 GMT

I live in Montreal, were the most biker brutality is but I still say having a few family members in here that there just good people who do bad things. If you wanna see real killers lets talk Crips and Bloods or as I call them Pussies with guns who can't even shoot properly for christ sake. They turn the gun around and aim slightly to the ground, what are they? the A team, shooting at the ground around the other guy to make him feel defeated. But wait, how are their casulties? are they like samuris and can't stand the shame of a defeat? well ok. Just let me say this, a lot of them are really nice and would never even think of recruiting a kid or hurting one.

miguel ayala aka Mike: 11th Dec 2007 - 13:02 GMT

Hi I was just wondering is Sonny barger still in prison???
ok may you all have a safe ride bye for now always Mike

jd: 17th Dec 2007 - 05:19 GMT

truly brave people don't need gangs or clubs to fight their battles. the real bad ass crazy will come after you alone, not that it's a good thing. most people are brave and better fighters when they know they can use their cell to call 30 friends when they need to. so lets stop the bullshit.

stfu: 20th Dec 2007 - 00:47 GMT

I saw a HA member use a woman's head to beat on bongo drums during a music venue. I look at it as he was teaching her how to play music.

I bet he didn't even charge her for the lessons.

miguel ayala aka Mike: 20th Dec 2007 - 14:47 GMT

Hi I just want to wish all you guys a MERRY CHRISTMAS & a HAPPY NEW YEAR a SAFE RIDE

Zenblonde: 31st Jan 2008 - 08:33 GMT

It just amazes me how provincial and small minded some of the people here are. It also amazes me that Gary is quite happy to make money from whom he thinks are such dreadful people, but then I guess most people with no morals or sense of respect will jump on the bandwagon if they can. Cowards with guns? I think you're a coward with a pen, you run once you've written your BS, shame on you, havent you got the guts to stand by what you've penned? LOL.....pathetic, small minded Canadians will never understand. 81 supporter

bandidos ms: 16th Mar 2008 - 03:15 GMT

we are good people, we love ha very much tey are our dearestt brothers

dont fuk around wiv us

bubba: 16th Mar 2008 - 04:54 GMT

What I dont understand is....if so many people dont like the HA, why do you "know" so much about them. I cant count how many times I have just read that they are dope dealing dirtbags. Who cares. Do they mess with you? NO. I dont see you making posts on all the regular gang banging dope dealing pieces of dirt that really ruin our neighborhoods. And to clarify, YES, there are regular law abiding members within the HA. Some are doctors, and lawyers. I have traveled this country fairly well, have met up with many HA members. Im not saying that there arent any that break the law. Sure, there are. If your going to judge because they broke the law, then look at yourself, or your best friend. At somepoint in your life, either yourself or one of your friends has broken the law. No, you say. Do you know anyone who has shoplifted, or has sped. Sure, these arent hardcore like murder, or dope dealing, but they have broken the law all the same. Why not stop classifying all HA members as law breakers. Again, before your forget (which you probably have), Im not saying that they are all "angels". But, their are some HA members, (you may even work with one) that you wouldnt even know they were a member by looking. Some are clean cut members of society. They dont all have long hair, or beards or just look like a dirtbag. So, either support them, or forget them. Their like a bee, they wont mess with you unless you piss them off.

Peter: 28th Mar 2008 - 23:21 GMT

why do people feel compelled to type comments in ALL CAPS?

Dawn: 29th Mar 2008 - 16:11 GMT

After reading all this bull...I have no idea who to believe and I have decided to spend my energy on another topic...who gives a crap. If you are not interested in joining an HA Club...do you really need to know this stuff? Who cares. People are people....live life and love it then get the f*** out.
And Suzb...Have respect for your own body and don;t blame what happened to you on the HA's...you did say it is a defunked club, right? I WONDER WHY????

6th 2007- :8:45 GMT jack: 6th Apr 2008 - 01:39 GMT

god bless the clubs is that a joke

Arnie: 8th Apr 2008 - 00:38 GMT

When I lived in NYC, the Biker Gangs where almost non-existent.
When they started to show up in the 60's, the other pedestrian gangs would kick their asses, for being loud mouth assholes.
I now live in Los Angeles, and all the Hell's angels sell Meth.
I wonder if they know the harm they cause, I wonder if they care.

Mike: 11th Apr 2008 - 21:51 GMT

Hells Angels member arrested on assault charges
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Apr 11, 2008 12:29 PM (3 hrs ago) by Staff, The Examiner

SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News)- A Pacifica member of the Hells Angels was arrested Thursday on suspicion of assaulting three women with a deadly weapon recently.

Robert Gee, 34, was arrested at his residence at 121 Dardenelle Ave. in Pacifica after police obtained evidence linking him to the alleged assaults.

Capt. Fernando Realyvasquez said police began an investigation several months ago after receiving a number of reports of assaults. At 6 a.m. Thursday, the Pacifica Police Department along with SWAT teams from the Daly City Police Department and the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office executed search warrants in Pacifica and East Palo Alto.

Gee is charged with assault with a deadly weapon, police said.
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The member of Hells Angels was booked into Redwood City jail Thursday with a $50,000 bail. He posted bail several hours later, Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said.

He said Gee has no history of previous felonies in San Mateo County.

Founded in California 60 years ago, Hells Angels Motorcycle Club consists of members who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles and is considered an outlaw motorcycle gang by police.

The Pacifica Police Department, which is the lead investigative agency, are continuing the investigation into the case.

Mike: 11th Apr 2008 - 21:55 GMT

Brothel owner asks to suppress evidence

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CHEYENNE, Wyo.(AP)— The owner of a Nevada brothel who’s charged with possessing and transporting child pornography in Wyoming has asked a federal judge to suppress the evidence against him.
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A lawyer for David Burgess, 55, says the government’s search of his laptop computer following a traffic stop last summer violated his constitutional rights.
Burgess is owner of the Old Bridge Ranch, a legal brothel east of Reno, Nev. He’s also a leader of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang in Nevada.
James H. Barrett, assistant federal public defender in Cheyenne, represents Burgess. Barrett on Monday asked U.S. District Judge Alan B. Johnson to block prosecutors from using the seized computer materials in court.
In his suppression request, Barrett states that Burgess was a passenger in a motor home that a Wyoming Highway Patrol trooper pulled over last July near Evanston. The trooper stopped the motor home because it was pulling a trailer with expired tags.
According to a police statement, both the driver and Burgess told police they were members of the Hells Angels and were traveling to the 2007 Hells Angels USA Run in Eureka Springs, Ark.
Barrett states that a Uinta County Sheriff’s deputy happened by during the traffic stop and volunteered the use of his drug dog to sniff around the motor home. The dog reportedly alerted on the door to the motor home.
Although Burgess told police that they needed a warrant to search the motor home, Barrett states that both the state trooper and the deputy searched the inside of the motor home, finding marijuana and a substance the police believed to be cocaine.
State drug charges were filed against Burgess, but were later dismissed.
Troopers impounded the motor home after the traffic stop.
Barrett states that police applied for a search warrant to allow them to search the motor home and trailer for “evidence of controlled substances or dealing in controlled substances,” including computer records. They also applied to search for personal property that would “tend to show a conspiracy to sell drugs.”
Jim Anderson, assistant U.S. Attorney in Cheyenne, said at a court hearing last month that a search of a laptop computer found in the motor home showed it to be “chock full” of child pornography, leading to the pending criminal charges against Burgess.
Anderson hasn’t yet filed a response to Barrett’s suppression motion.
Barrett points out in his argument to Judge Johnson that the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that warrants must “particularly describe the place to be searched and the persons and things to be seized.”
Barrett argues that the warrant in Burgess’ case was written so broadly that it allowed the officers conducting the case to determine on their own what they could seize.“All computer records and personal property fall within the ambit of the warrant,” he wrote.

Black Sheep Squad Hangaround: 5th May 2008 - 19:16 GMT

You will never convince such narrow-minded people of the dignity and honor 81 brings to the table. The average citizen ought to thank every 1%er they come across for standing the #$%& up like free men. The freedoms we lose today are the same ones you'll have taken from you tomorrow. Holier-than-thou, narrow-minded bigots are joyfully clueless. I live my life, you live yours. You don't live in my world and you don't pay my way. Respect is earned. Beatings cost nothing.

Michelle: 6th May 2008 - 14:18 GMT

"prospects wife", are you the moderater of this page? Suddenly my opinion is down. It's fun to come here now and read all the nonsense bullsheisse people have written down. All I'm trying to say to you is, why are you so involved in what your husband is prospecting for? If you would like to speak off this page, we can. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but all the shit written on here is lame and seems like lighter fluid keeps being squirted on the bullsheisse. I'm not a keyboard monkey and don't argue online, but if you would like to speak so you can hear where I'm coming from we can.

prospects wife: 6th May 2008 - 16:38 GMT

Michelle,

I have commented on on this page. No I am not the moderator of this page. Clearly the message I left was not intended for evweryone to understand. You ask me why I am so involved with what my husband is prospecting for. Because as a wife that is what I do. I stand up for the beliefs of both my husband and myself. I also do not like to argue online, but I do not understand the the reason you chose to address me if it was not the last comment I made

Michelle: 7th May 2008 - 04:35 GMT

"prospects wife", the only reason I wrote to you is because all the lamo-s who are keyboard jockey's on here are a joke. I can't believe every article I read and you seem to be on trying to defend people's lame comments a lot on here. I noticed the past two comments I made were not on here.

I too am proud of my man. Fuzzy H.A.M.C.O. a 39 year member and one of only 2 original N.Y.C. members still alive and in the club (check it if need be). I would never go on pages naming myself "member's wife". The club is my husband's thing, I support him 100%!!!!!!! I just don't, as a chick, fight battles he doesn't need be involved with. Just curious why you are attacking lames on here. The stories are fake, the info is fake, but as a woman, I don't get involved with my hun's business. Maybe one day we'll meet. Fuzzy is still a member, in Oakland. He left N.Y.C. in 1977. The internet is stoopid as a 3 dollar bill.

Pick your battles. I've read a lot of false bullshit on here and don't care what people's opinion's are. I know what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. Fuck the dumb!

prospects wife: 7th May 2008 - 12:59 GMT

I hear ya. It just makes me so made that people would rather believe stupid crap than ask questions. I never really intended to attack lames on this site. The one particular person I was reffering to has attacked the club viciously. As you know my husband and any other members wouldn't waste their time on the piece of crap, so I kind of felt the obligation to respond and tell the truth.

Hopefully we will get to meet someday. Have a great one.

Michelle: 10th May 2008 - 03:23 GMT

People will bitch all they want to. They can make up their stories, print them, and make everyone believe it's true (including law enforcement...usually they are the ones who start it up). Everyone grows a set of titanium balls behind a keyboard. What someone does for a living shouldn't affect the club, but it does. There are cops who do fucked up shit and most of the time get away with it. Probably get sent to a desk job in the evidence room where they have access to all kinds of sheisse...ahhahaah They are a "group" what makes Yogi and Boo Boo better? A badge? Whatever.

Who cares what the kooks are posting. If I had a penny for every lame-o on the web that thinks they know what's going on I'd be a rich bitch. Even social sites like Myspace are out of control. As for the person you are addressing, he probably sits at home nekkid and jacks off to every single article written about the club....prints them out and puts them on his walls. Probably wishes he was a member. He's not part of anything so he has so much time to hate. Fuck him. He hides behind the computer. I'd dare him to meet someone in person. He's a pimple on my ass.

And the comment about not seeing any members on Victory Motorcycles, you may want to clear that up. I do know a member who rides a Victory and another who rides a BMW! I don't speak for the club at all about any of their "rules", I don't know what they are...neither do you!!!! All my opinion is, let it go and just laugh at the fuckers. It makes for good reading. I've attatched a couple of already public photo's on my baby, my lover and I.

treee: 13th May 2008 - 04:24 GMT

dave burgess the world president of the hells angels who had tens of thousands child porn pictures take alot of pictures of his neighbors garden _lots and lots of pictures of his neighbors garden.. dig a little deeper and you will find living ( well dead ) proof of the crimes

treee: 13th May 2008 - 04:29 GMT

do some hiking around where the old bridge ranch is, see troy regas has had teh ranch and licence and property in his name a few years ago ( cuz he owns it now)) so the saying dave burgess lost his licence and brothel is all a lie - if anyone is in the reno area, watch what they are doing -- around the ranch _ they are cleaning out and getting rid of the bodys and missing children and people and i knoe this , because the FBI AND RENO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE CONTACTED ME AND WANT TO FLY ME TO RENO,.. BUT SEE I KNOE HOW TO GET UNDER STOREY COUNTY __ THE OBR,, IT IS STOREYS ,LEVELS ;LAYERS THE UNDERWORLD IF U WILL

michelle: 20th May 2008 - 04:38 GMT

need I say more...the post up above. HAHAHAHAHHAH.....what a choad! I really believe you. That's why the lames write their shit in broken English and make absolutely no sense. And if the "POLICE DEPARTMENT" wants to fly him to Reno why is he online telling everyone? I'm positive the FEDS check this tread out frequently as it is public. Prime example of lil monkeys on the keyboard

laz81: 20th May 2008 - 21:14 GMT

wow!have read with interest, the coments posted about the HAMC,
sadly, its clear many know very little about the club.
and i say club because it is just that, a club not a gang!
to the bros and sisters that know the dance my respects!
just a few points if i may, first you dont walk up to
your nearest clubhouse and ask to join.
the HAMC recognizes prospective members and the sometimes
very long and hard road to full patch begins, you dont
have to sell drugs, kill people,rape or pillage but
youwill clean a toilet or two! its all about commitment
honesty,and most of all Respect!!
stop reading hunter thompsons book, its 40 years out of date!
the feds dont help matters aswell folks your tax dollers have
been waisted by those clowns for years with bulls..t cases
against the club and the proof is in the failed cases aginst
the club, go catch Bin Laden for god sake.
as for Sonny Barger, he is not in jail! and is enjoying
his 51st year in the hamc!
as for the fire and brimstone people,get your own house
in order before you chuck stones at ours!
love and respect to HAMC world, and all 81 supporters

Stasia: 21st May 2008 - 05:38 GMT

Just out of curiosity, what is the HA's stance on getting involved in domestic disputes? I have two friends who are being stalked and harassed by some loser who shows up at their houses wearing his "colors" and acting like he is making phone calls to HA's to come and help assault their family members and significant others. He openly says that his "Hell's Angels Brothers" will KILL for him if he just makes a phone call. This guy doesn't even own a bike and I have no idea where he got his "vest". But it was my understanding that the Hell's Angels don't get involved in stuff like that. These women are scared for their lives and all they did was break off relationships with this guy. I personally do not know anyone that belongs to the club and I certainly don't want or need to get involved with them. Just thought this would be a good place to ask the question. Thanks...

SteveO: 14th Jun 2008 - 13:12 GMT

Though I don't find 90+% of the posters on this board to be worth the sweat off my balls, I shall post anyway just because I have become bored with the uninformed BS...
Break it down.. Show me a list of all the alleged Angels that have committed crimes then show me a list of all the law enforcement personnel that have committed crimes and let's see which is the longer list.
You fucking morons don't realize that the real domestic terrorist are your own boys in blue sacrificing all of our Constitutional and Civil Rights just to pacify their own egos and control issues..Wake the fuck America..The real threat are our own trusted servants.
Drug dealers??? What do you morons think pharmacutical companies are all about? Health care???
Wake the fuck up! Your getting raped by your own and don't even know it...I would walk down any alley with a pocket full of cash anywhere and feel a whole lot safer knowing there were Angels in the area than I would knowing there were police in the area.
Hollywood, ignorance, and your own uniformed fantasies have your perception twisted to the point that you actually think you know what you are talking of..Get back to your tv and soak-up some more of the distorted propaganda that the media wants you to believe..Be afraid, be very afraid for the real threat has already assimilated your stupid ass!

Mike Ortz: 15th Jun 2008 - 03:29 GMT

I have a question, is it true that you have to be white to be accepted as an Angel?

chance: 24th Jun 2008 - 14:03 GMT

i've seen plenty of hispanic, philipino, and other asian men in the club.

Mike Ortiz: 3rd Jul 2008 - 20:51 GMT

Thanxs Chance, I didn't know. I just assumed it was an all white club, from the photos I've seen, and from there past leaders ( Sonny Barger ).

richard holmstrom jul 8 2008 : 9th Jul 2008 - 04:37 GMT

i grew up with alot of HA in richmond ca and cant wate to see them come to missoula still ware my support your local red and white love them all like brothers

eyeofodin: 19th Sep 2008 - 02:37 GMT

RIP Mark Guardado..I just hope his death will not justify more bloodshed on the steets of SF.

6th 2007- :8:45 GMT jack: 14th Oct 2008 - 22:52 GMT

hells angles are the best the fight like warriors god bless america

wonders why people are such sheep: 24th Oct 2008 - 18:59 GMT

Haji you said: It had some cool stuff in it, but frankly, I would never support their criminal enterprise.

Do you support the government? they are the biggest crimainls in the world. Educate yourself. More cops are busted for crimes each year than all bike club members put together, its swept under the rug or never ends up on the media.

bonanza,man : 27th Oct 2008 - 02:40 GMT

I enjoy the rides, the stories.. and they are all very good riders.
I do think the cops would have better ways to spend tax payers dollars than flying the company jet rangers, motor homes with video and all local jurisdictions on alert for a fun poker run. Any way all the guys I have met over the past 10 years riding in San Fran, Marin and oakland have nothing but good fun. Hell even Sonny B is a cool guy. He would personaly work on my bike. I asked him once to put a larger carb on it. His response was did you like the bike when you bought it? save your money and enjoy it as it is. I have never ever forgotten that.
i would ride with them any day.

rachamim ben ami: 24th Nov 2008 - 17:03 GMT

Wow! People are still riffing on this crap? "Hells Angles are evil!/Hells Angels are great, they make our block safe!" What a bunch of garbage. Either way no one here seems to know one way or the other. Are they they Anti-Christ? Of course not! Are they saints? Ha!

The chumps who think they make the block or neighbourhood safe are living in their own isolated shells. Some of you MIGHT be old enough to remember when they moved to the hood in 69. Granted, it was then, and for along time after far from paradise but I have to say, only the angles ever committed gang rapes and regularly trashed peoples' businesses.

The person who said the Angles only ever bother those in their lifestyle is also talking nonsense. You should ask the guy who owned a leathergoods store in the Village back in the early days, he was famous in his own right, he and his beautiful girlfriend. One day the Angels attended a funeral for one of their members at a funeral home a few doors over and for fun went into leather store, trashed it, and then gangbanged his 17 year old girlfriend for fun. Wonder if Groover and his love thought the "Club" made the area safer? You think? Or maybe it WAS safer a week later when the man and his girlfriend dropped all charges after having the man's parents threatened with decapitation.

Or what about the organisation as a whole? Canadians surely love them! I bet those gamblers in the casino out in Nevada loved them too when they whipped out a pistol and began licking off shots just because a rival gang was staying in the hotel above! Well, the other club probably did have ahand in it as well but the Angles went there looking for issues and when they did not find them made their own.

People really need to get their facts and stop to think outside the box.

81s bein animals: 29th Dec 2008 - 05:13 GMT

HAMC and all the other 1%ers have long since left their roots as a brotherhood of rowdy riders. They're criminal organizations who are about as cute as MS13. Anyone who thinks any different is just another deluded anti-hero worshiping putz who's been "educated" by Hollywood and TV. The only outlaws I know who have real roots in the brotherhood of the road are independents who ride hard, do as they please, hang out with their own kind, and mind their own business, but who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on an 81, a black and white, a bandit or a mongol if any of them were on fire.

biker chick from NY: 8th Mar 2009 - 22:56 GMT

I gotta laugh at all these stupid comments about the Hells Angels being criminals. If you dont know them you shouldnt be spitting your comments here. I know a lot of bikers, all of which are my friends. Some are HA. Some arent. Some have patches, some dont. But they all share a common interest. The love of the motorcycle. If you never rode a motorcycle or rode on one, then you cant comment. To feel the wind on your back as your riding downt the highway is the greatest joy.
There used to be a saying many years ago...." If I have to explain, you wouldnt understand". Its so true!
Im not going to try to defend the lamers who are posting bad stuff about HA or bikers in general because their ignorance says it all.

But I had to comment.

By the way, nice pic Michele! Ride safe!

Renegade Ed: 28th Mar 2009 - 03:40 GMT

I love it when people listen to the biggest crooks on the Planet..The FEDS! Spin Doctors par excellance! The Red & White are who they are & what they are, and have been since 1948. All respect to Local 81 - Long Live the Red & White.

Here's A Quarter, Call Someone Who Cares: 13th Apr 2009 - 02:08 GMT

All you 1%'ers need to get a clue. "Outlaw" motorcyclists? This is 2009, not 1959. Get a clue, you adult babies. Warlock Brotherhood, Hell's Angels, Outlaws.... all of you grown men need to grow up. Wah, wah, wah. Look at how all you boneheads whine on here like a big bunch of babies. Wah!

Dirty Dutch 1%3r: 17th Apr 2009 - 02:30 GMT

I was SandyAlexander's prospect in the 1970-80-s, am free and living in the west, I will be at the Laughlin Run an if the opportinuty arises I will burn another fuckin punk Mogol. Fuck the Mongols and their blood lines.
Dutch 1%er

Rusty B.1%er: 24th Apr 2009 - 17:19 GMT

In the 70's and 80's I rode .with the Huns and HAMC, Bridgeport,CT. During those times we would have lit the enemy, tossed his ass inside his clubhouse and watch them all blow up. Ride strong..........R

magiclowrider: 26th Apr 2009 - 00:48 GMT

This is all very interesting and I like the discussion. I am very curious how a someone becomes a member of the HA? How are memebers picked and how long is the initiation? I thing that the HA are like any other part of society, there are some good and some bad. It takes all kinds to make a world.

Ted IV: 2nd May 2009 - 22:58 GMT

LOL whine whine whine boohoo
have some cheese to go with that whine
I have been around the outlaw clubs since I was before born
and with the way the system of government works here in USA
Bikers are a breathe of fresh air
Our system of law from our president on down to the beat cop is
Who cares if they did not do it just get them as long as we get the community to believe they are safe thats what counts
You know pretend LOL
and bikers are the bad guys LOL LOL
It does bother me though that they all fight like they do
I have hung out with just about all the clubs and get a long very well with them
I was 4 yrs old and an outlaw club from Yonkers NY (1962 they gave me a nickname and found out that I was only 4 they thought I was a midget so did the bar owner we would drink and laugh LOL Then they got in trouble for it)
They told me in the Bar they hung out in up on Croton ave Ossining NY (the angels took their colors and they could not wear in NY)
They had this old beat up B/W pic of a bunch of guys kneeling around an old plane P49?
And said thats the Hells Angels That is who the Hells Angels represent no matter what you respect them..
and I have for 46 years
and they are the Best of the best
The only place I could get served alcohol out in elpaso was the little big wheel in 1977
Those cowboys will not serve breeds?
tried Juarez but the policia love using us drunken gringo's for target practice.
So I found The little big wheel
I would get buzzed hit people and run LOL
Yup they chased me thru the streets and up into the franklin Mts
I always got away
They would let me back in the next day
give em hell hell give em
Keep up the good work
Love forever
Ted IV
Kingsland Ga

Bandit aka tony: 10th May 2009 - 10:33 GMT

Angels are protectors for those stuck in hell on earth often times out numbered however dont back down.hells angels forever ,bandit.

liz: 3rd Jun 2009 - 23:27 GMT

Hey... I lived on the lower eastside of Bayonne almost all my life and there was a bike club called the Eastside Sinners, just around the corner. I had to pass it on my way to work and back every day (worked in NYC). I remember hot summer nights they always had the front door open and the sound of playing pool and a TV or radio playing and a few bikers hanging outside was always a welcome to me because in those days no one lived on the other side of the tracks or were afraid of the unknown and I always felt protected at anytime of the night. I like to ride and I never met a biker from the Hells Angels, but I do like good memories.

Man or Beast: 26th Jun 2009 - 23:36 GMT

Rumours, mostly lies. "When we do good no one remembers- When we do bad no on forgets,"
Do I know a bunch of Hells Angels, No- just a few. I grew up back east somewhere. When I was a little kid i remember going in the back room of a store and seeing a chalkboard with all sorts of numbers written on it, a book making facility. My dad taught me real early "don't ask questions about stuff, that is non of your business." He was 100% Sicilian, when i was s kid I though it would be cool to have a mafia dad. I found out not because my dad was involved but because he knew people that were that hollywood mafia is 99% BS. I know nothing about criminal activities of the members of HAMC. I dont ask. But can say that at least on member is a friend of mine he owns a very succeful completely legitimate business and is without a doubt a millionare. The stories I have heard about him have about 1% truth, they are told by someone who barely knows the guy and then retold by someone who doesnt even know the guy. Yes my friend has a temper, but if the stories I have heard about him were true- he would have beat me up for some of the things I have done! Although I can tell you that if you think he is a push over wimp like some people like to boast here you are sadly mistaken. He is a gentleman, polite, curteous, thoughtful, clean, and extreamely hospitable. I hope I can ride with him again soon as we are on seperate coasts. Most of the angels are not involved in criminal enterprizes out of the ones that I have met. They are all kinds of business men. I was at a clubhouse recently and observered that most of the members did not have a drink! I am sure that people will say I am a fool.

sonja: 27th Jun 2009 - 14:43 GMT

I am with a 1%er. He works at a legit job and has never been violent or abusive towards me. I can't say the same for the so-called "normal" men I've been with before him.

peggy keifert: 30th Jun 2009 - 20:30 GMT

I'm still a big fan of the nyha and stand behind what most people are saying, unless provoked, they cause no harm. I lived with them for a while in the early 70's.
the address then was 77 east 3rd st. I don't know if they're still there or not, but sandy alexander was the president, his wife was collette and his son, eric, were all kind to me and treated me with more respect than most people.

I think if you don't know, you shouldn't judge them.

they have a strong brotherhood...and I was only 16 then...and they took care of me like big brothers.

so.....if you poke a cat enough times, it will scratch you...is it the cat's fault? hardly.

peace


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This article has been viewed 64797 times in the last 3 years Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 3rd Aug 2006 - 18:34 GMT 13th street? It's the safest bock in the city. Peter: 3rd Aug 2006 - 18:35 GMT indeed. i have a friend who used to live right next door to the hell's angels there, and said the exact same thing... EvilGentleman: 3rd Aug 2006 - 18:54 GMT Very true. As long as you are a normal civilian minding your own business, the Hell's Angels are ideal courteous neighbours who do an excellent job of keeping the street gang kids and small-time thugs away from the area. Joshua S. Rubenstein: 3rd Aug 2006 - 20:30 GMT Safe neighborhood, courteous meth dealers, what more could a New Yorker want? Halfa: And they are the ssame in australia Haji: 4th Aug 2006 - 14:41 GMT Thugs are thugs. I always hate seeing these losers at bike meets at their booth selling crap. Kids line up to get their calendar signed by these guys all day long. They're not good people. Why we forget this, I can't say. I was happy to see their retail store on St. Mark's go out of biz. It had some cool stuff in it, but frankly, I would never support their criminal enterprise. jeeff: 4th Aug 2006 - 17:03 GMT oh yeah, great neighbours. in my hometown the streets directly surrounding the clubhouse were very quiet and orderly. of course 2 blocks out it was ringed with crackhouses. Rob: 5th Aug 2006 - 00:04 GMT Yes, don't forget these guys are dope dealers and killers. They've never had a problem that a bullet wouldn't fix. EvilGentleman: 5th Aug 2006 - 01:50 GMT I never said they were good people, but as long as you are not interfering in their realm of criminal activities, they are usually very decent to you. This does not excuse the horrific crimes that many of them have committed, but it does give me less reason to fear them when I see them around. I know I am not involved in their shit, and therefore, I am perfectly safe if I see 100 of them on the street. Unless of course, they are in the middle of conducting business. I have found that if one gives them respect, they usually return it. Grange: 9th Aug 2006 - 11:16 GMT Evil , I suprised by you , Didnt the hells angels and the rock machine have a turf war in the montreal a while back ? Seems to me some kid got blown up and some poor guy was mistaken for a biker get shot pumping gas ? Their not decent , nor good neigbours and dont deserve respect . Oh course in Ont , some of our bikers ( banditos ) just do us all a favor and off themselfs , now thats a good bike gang in my books. Grange: 9th Aug 2006 - 11:17 GMT http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060410/biker_feature_060410/20060411?hub=CTVNewsAt11 EvilGentleman: 9th Aug 2006 - 11:41 GMT They were supposed to kill me. They chose not to. I like that. EvilGentleman: 9th Aug 2006 - 11:46 GMT Also, my wife was robbed downtown in January by a trio of wannabe gangstas who would not have been in the area, if the Hell's Angels were not in jail, cuz punks like that would have been chased out of the area. By the way, for those wondering why they were after me in the past, a word of advice: Never get intimate with the wife of a loan shark. Grange: 9th Aug 2006 - 14:25 GMT You live life on the edge evil .... .lol... sorry about your wife though . must have been scary EvilGentleman: 9th Aug 2006 - 17:37 GMT She was succesfully battling for her purse, but when the kid started reaching for something in his pocket, she thought, "Fuck it! Not worth that much!", and so she let go. Jersey PIG: 13th Aug 2006 - 22:11 GMT Hey being in a biking family within the biking world,some outlaws and some not, Non-1%er myself, I understand that in the Biker world you have the 1 % that is OutLaw Clubs.. but just because a person wears colors on thier back,and rides, do not assume they belong to the criminal element of Outlaw bikers... social clubs and family clubs with colors are organized for the Love of riding, with nothing but Law abiding citizens. also where I am from having an organized club in your Nieghborhood is Great.. they don't sell in thier back yard and I agree with others here.. if your give them respect the offer nothing but the same ... safe riding horen som gidder å moch you good: 14th Aug 2006 - 01:33 GMT a BOME is set to blow op somwhere,,, EvilGentleman: 14th Aug 2006 - 08:57 GMT Oh no! Not a BOME! Call the BOME squad! BOMEHEAD! sal seville: 14th Aug 2006 - 16:45 GMT bad ass dudes much respect to the angels...i met living in bayrigde mike the bike..rip...i used to be a graffiti writter ...and hung out with and taged with his brother cc ftw....i wrote krooklyn tbk tfv tns in those days and held it down on 61st and 4th ave..bklyn ..unser the watchful eyes of the dirtyones gang....though i was from turban saint turf...another long story.....peace to the hell angels..krooklyn..... curious one: 16th Aug 2006 - 01:41 GMT i have family in the club and i was wondering about the spiritual stuff in the club like wicca What biziness?: 18th Aug 2006 - 17:44 GMT Hope yall have learned that all criminal activity is related but slightly competitive only if evryone is getting a piece. None is needed but the guys know that someone will do it if they dont step up, even the feds maybe. The feds witnessed a barfight in dayton in 2001, and called in teams from Quantico! Not to help but to make sure the dead witness (killed at the bar, I needed)wasnt called when he was alive so another case, arson, murder evidence could be saved. Poor innocent one was me. Lost two recordings after the fire stolen from acoustic guitar tapes. One was sampled in 7 mixes and sold over 14million copies. Nice at a penny a sale let alone the full 8 cents for a complete trak. yeah they like to make it hurt. smartlyn: 21st Aug 2006 - 13:04 GMT don't about these angels. In Amsterdam were i used to live they also were respected by surrounding neighbours.So much so that cafe and restaurant owners gladly payed for their services as security managers. And indeed, as long as they payed there was nothing to worry about.. HAWK FROM BAYONNE: 25th Aug 2006 - 13:01 GMT PLEASE I KNOW A FEW HELLS ANGELS JUST BECAUSE OTHER BIKE CLUBS SELL DRUGS PLEASE DO NOT EVEN THINK THAT THEY SELL METH OR CRANK,THEY ARE NOW A CORPARATION.YOU SHOW THEM RESPECT THEY WILL SHOW RESPECT TO YOU.BUT IF YOU ONLY GO BY WHO SAID THAT OR WHO SAID THIS.PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF FOOLS THAT HATE BIKES THERE ARE 1,000S OF GOOD ONES .BUT YOU NEVER HAVE ANTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE GOOD BIKERS .YOUS LOOK FOR TROUBLE YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYONE BUYING DRUGS FROM THE HELLS ANGELS. I AM NOT ABLE TO TELL YOU ANY THING ALL I KNOW IS THE FEW GUYS FROM THE CLUB HOUSE ON THE LOWER EAST SIDE ARE GREAT GUYS.I READ JERSEY PIG NOW HES TELLING YOU THE REAL DEAL I HAVE BEEN A BIKER FOR OVER 40 YEARS NEVER HAD ANY TROUBLE WITH ANY ONE .I GAVE RESPECT TO PEOPLE I KNOW THAT DESERVE RESPECT.PLEASE GUYS DO NOT BUY THOSE LOOK A LIKE HARLEYS YOU SPEND GOOD MONEY FOR IT BUT WHEN YOU GO TO SELL IT NO ONE WANTS A USED JAP BIKE I LOVE MY HARLEY DAVIDSON WITH A 124 INCH S&S MOTOR TOP END ALSO S&S AND THE HEADS THAT I SENT OUT TO T.P. ENGINEERING THEY SAID THEY COULD POLISH THE HEADS SO I COULD GET MUCH MORE HORSEPOWER I AM NOT EXPECTING TO GET ALOT MORE HORSE POWER BUT I KNOW I WILL GET A FEW MORE LIKE THEY AWAYS SAY LET IT EAT ALOT AND S-IT IT OUT FAST Toronto Watcher: 26th Aug 2006 - 00:37 GMT I live in the Toronto Area and there are over 180 Hells Angels running 18 charters here. The cops are charged with 20 times the crimes the Angels are in Ontario, and they turn a blind eye to almost every crime a cop commits and bang the Angels for everything they can. Im not saying the Angels are lilly white, but there's good and bad in every group-- even your's. www.realdealnews.com GEt The Truth. and check the police blotter there.It might surprize you. Jesus's Friend: 26th Aug 2006 - 02:31 GMT I would never support the Hell's Angels. The are discusting. The murder kill. Those who say they are so courtious. Well, think about it this way,when the next person want to join the croud of Hell's Angele's, then they have to kill to get in. What would you do if it was your mother, father, chilren, yourself then you leave your kids behind to join them to. THEY ARE Devil Worshipers. And their day will come. We, its time to go in front of the real Master. jeeff: 26th Aug 2006 - 15:20 GMT jesus's friend makes a good point about the murder kill. bob: sum it up "Outlaw bikers" Mike Ponytail : 1st Sep 2006 - 19:45 GMT The angels are here to stay. Thay took over a place that the cops could not do anything with back in 69!!. The place was full of hooker dealers and main liners. Today it is a place that meny people want to live there & call home but with out HA the place would be a hole in the ground.Thay did not ask you new comers to live there you came because it was safe and on the way up. Also remember that the city give them a plack for having the safest street in the city. mikey b: 2nd Sep 2006 - 14:29 GMT ehere is the exact location? I am a big fan and would like to take some pictures with them.. big tek: 2nd Oct 2006 - 00:03 GMT looking for a friend that i was in service with big mike.anyone know him? Jammy: 4th Nov 2006 - 22:50 GMT I love these peoples they are complete legends! anyone no how to join? if anyone lives in england i would like to no... these guys are the best people i met... the nices 'Gang' i have ever met. HA FOR lIFE! Jammy if anyone noes how to join gimmi an email : jdollow@gmail.com Ringo: 17th Nov 2006 - 23:43 GMT Jesus's Friend When the HA or any other bike club has committed as much SIN or caused as much horror in the world as your average brand of Christianity has, then you'll have something to shout about. The difference is most people wearing a patch have the minerals to take personal responsibility for their own actions and not nail it on some guy who died 2000 years ago (pun intended). If you think its ok to live in fear of the "good and loving father" then feel free to do so, if you truely believe that God gave people free choice, then you should respect these people for doing just that and living as they choose, while your too scared of burning in a Hell created by your heavenly Dictator. Already you have failed to live up to your beliefs "Judge not, less you be judged?" Ooops looks like you just got a bit nearer to spending eternity in Hell with some hairy ass bikers, who at least will know why they are there in the first place - Thats if you believe that wearing a patch with pride makes you evil, When we do good no one rememebers.............. susannah: 18th Nov 2006 - 22:26 GMT Is it true that you have to kill someone to join? I think thats the point JF was trying to make. That seems like a pretty stupid reason to kill a person. I like Harley's but I think that men who join groups like that are sick neanderthals. Tell you what, they treat women like crap. Ringo - you don't know the first thing about being a Christian, you don't even know enough to entertain a dialog. Ringo: 19th Nov 2006 - 01:10 GMT Susannah, if you have the gift of logic, please try and apply it, if there you had muder to join a bike club do you think they would not of been shut down by now, do yuo think the powers that be do not watch any organisation the consider a "criminal orginisation" very closely? What offends me is not your attack on people who are more than capable of defending their own corner. Its the fact that you repeat heresay as if you know it to be Gospel, whilst professing to to be a Christian, and just as Jesus's friend you leap to JUDGE others, surely it is for God to Judge and not you? Not only do fail to understand the people you are judging, you fail to find out the truth for yourself and go on heresay, if you are going to live by the "Truth of Jesus" then do it. Jesus had time for all and granted every person the right to turn away from sin etc. If you had bee naround at the time you would not of had time to lisen to the Lord, you would of been to busy stoning someone!!! If you feel harshly judged, I'm glad; perhapes you will be less quick to judge in future. The trouble with most Christians I have met is they are intolerent of any who is not a christian. If you truely believe in Christ ask yourself if you have acted in good faith with what you profess to believe? You seem to think that wearing a patch makes you a bad person, in fact to most who choose to do so, its a way of life, I get the feeling your a law abiding citizen, one who folows the law blindly becasue its the right thing to do. Its not your fault if your taxes pay for the bombing of innocent kids, hell they are probably Islamic anyway so they were going to burn in Hell anyway? Right? Do you not believe that God gave people free will? Bex: 19th Nov 2006 - 19:48 GMT Heyy, i'm doing research on a street gang for skool n i wanna no weva u losers kill n torture peeple, u seem ryt weirdos, its all death n woteva, im a punk n i aint sum sicko that jus wants peeple 2 die!!! sort urselvs out!!! susannah: 20th Nov 2006 - 01:51 GMT Ringo,I never said anything to indicate any of the things that you seem to believe I think, except that HA treat women badly. Maybe its not HA per se, but biker popular culture. I'm not judging there, but pointing out the obvious (How would you like to be treated the way biker chicks are portrayed in biker magazines?). I still maintain that you don't know the first thing about my beliefs, and your comment prooves it. My faith is about serving others in love. You have absolutely no idea, no clue whatsoever what it means to be a Christian. If anyone has been doing any judging its you... Ringo: 23rd Nov 2006 - 15:35 GMT Ok Susannah lets read what you wrote to begin with! "I like Harley's but I think that men who join groups like that are sick neanderthals." Is that not making a judgement? "Tell you what, they treat women like crap." Ditto And now you continue "except that HA treat women badly" Have you ever been mistreated or seen a HA Member mistreat a woman? (How would you like to be treated the way biker chicks are portrayed in biker magazines?). Grow up I know more about christianity than you do about bikers or the 81. I respect your right to believe what you wish about a long dead person. I cannot respect the way you have condemed a group of people that you have never met and know of only through heresay. Last thought George Bush and Tony Blaire are both Christians, how many dead children and innocents are they responsible for. Oh throw in a few burnt "Witchs in the olden days" The vaticans link to many disgusting crimes against the innocent. Catholic preists with a fondness for young boys, do we need to go on? jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:01 GMT well ringo, i say i know more about everything than you do. does that mean i win the argument now? your rant against christianity is completely beside the point and is a transparent attempt to draw the argument away from the inconvenient facts: a vast body of evidence suggests that hell's angels are indeed thugs and misogynists. wearing a patch doesn't make someone bad, except when that patch identifies them as a member of a group of murderers, drug dealers, and extortionists. people on the internet will argue anything, but your misguided and unconvincing attempts here aren't going to fly very far for most people, except a few other gang apologists who have a vested interest in believing something that clearly runs contrary to both facts and common sense. Guy McLaren: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:20 GMT So have either of you actually met/spoke to a Hells Angel? I have and neither of you seems to have a clue. jeeff: yeah i have jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:48 GMT www.cbc.ca/news/background/bikergangs/ont-massmurder-timeline.html that happened just outside my hometown. one of the victims lived right around the corner from my house in toronto. not saying i met him, but these guys are active in our communities. i worked at the cn tower and was personally involved when they had a big meeting at the tower's revolving restaurant. friends of mine who were djs and event promoters in the late 90s had plenty of problems with the hell's angels. i don't claim to be any expert, but i stand by my claim that ringo's argument is bullshit. i have no sympathy for members of organized crime, even if they're "nice guys." jeeff: 23rd Nov 2006 - 17:55 GMT ps. i'll retract 'misogynist' as a blanket statement, tho i've seen a couple of individual hell's angels at a highway rest stop acting pretty poorly. Ringo: 24th Nov 2006 - 12:54 GMT The "rant" againts christianity was actually more to do with the inferance that christains are superior to antyone wearing a patch. I have not said that pathc holders are whiter than white. I don't know any who pretend to be. Guy, Yes I have met, Know and partied with HA members in the UK and in Europe, I have never known them to be anything but good hosts, these are people just like everyone else. If you expect a 1% club member to live by the rules of society then you have an urealistic view of life. When you decide to wear a patch, you are making a very public statement about who you choose to live your life. Some people wearing patchs have been convicted of various crimes, as have lawyers, judegs, police officers, priests, school teachers, the list is endless. The HA and other 1% clubs are Motor Cycle, yes they like to party, yes there have been incidents of violence over the years, have you ever bumped into a bunch of drunken squaddies on a saturday night? I don't think for a moment any club wants to be seen as whiter than white, but to call every member of a club a crininal or a murderer or rapist is going way accross the line. If you really want to know go find an Angel and ask him!!! If you are really that intersted. http://www.hells-angels.com/faq.htm susannah: 25th Nov 2006 - 01:29 GMT ..I will concede that I know very little about the HA except what I have been exposed to in the media. I remember many years ago an open house for a rental apartment in the lower east side was shut down because it was near one of their hangouts. They (HA) basically told me and about 20 other starving students to get lost and we did -along with a very nervous real estate agent. Now it wasn't their property, and I find that pretty offensive. But in the long run, I'm pretty sure they did us all a favor. I do, however, have a problem with people who sell drugs, regardless of where they do it. They are ruining lives and communities, and most likely these are communities that are already struggling to keep it together. jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:43 GMT there's a big difference between regular bike clubs and biker gangs like the hell's angels. you're doing normal bikers a big disservice by blurring that line. the hell's angels who moved into the party scene in ottawa and montreal in the late 90's did so because they wanted to sell ecstacy and cocaine at parties, tho they obviously wouldn't sell it to individuals themselves because they're too high up the food chain. they moved forcefully into this business, relying on implicit or explicit threats of violence, and offering "security". you'd make a great PR person, because you're excellent at saying "reasonable" things that aren't true. there's a big difference between breaking the law as an individual and breaking it as part of a group that's committed to crime for profit. the difference lies in the fact that members of gangs shield each other from law enforcement and other retaliation by sheer numbers, pooled financial resources, and the volume of violence they can threaten. yes, gangs have been successful at covering up their activities in the past, partly because they're so powerful (like in quebec). but how do you explain maurice 'mom' boucher, leader of quebec's nomads chapter, who is a convicted murderer and sexual predator. take a look at his bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Boucher how is this guy an exceptional case when he runs/ran the entire province?? corrupt cops, priests, and politicians surely do exist, but again, what does that have to do with the hell's angels and their destructive 'way of living'? it's just more misdirection. Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:57 GMT No Jeeff the Hells angels are a bike club with some members that are criminal, some that are do gooders and others that are just their. Blaming the badge for the misdeneanours of the minority is almost as clever as G Bush is attacking the innocents to get at a few criminals. Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 15:59 GMT In fact that is the same as calling all white South Africans racist because they are white, are calling all Americans stupid because of the world cup that only features american teams. jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 16:13 GMT that's bullshit. the hell's angels are an organization, whereas south africans, americans and george bush are not. the hell's angels are one of the most active criminal organizations in canada, so how can the criminal activity be considered a "minority" aspect of the group here, regardless of how many members are directly participating in the crimes and how many aren't? those "do-gooders" give up their claim to goodness by signing up to such a group. they're acting as a shield for the more active criminal upper ranks, and therefore are aiding the gang whether they realize it or not. i'm sure some members don't realize it, and are instead just sad dupes taken in by the kind of rebel image marketed by people like ringo. Guy McLaren: 25th Nov 2006 - 17:29 GMT oh crap, most peeps join a club for the socialization and because they have a buddy in the club. I belonged to a club that had a bad chapter but people like you painted us all as bad bastards. In fact some of the chapters did almost as much as the Round Table who I later joined. We had a good working relationship wit the Angels (Johannesburg chapter) as well as a whole lot more rough and tough biking groups. Blaming an organization for the sins of the members is short sighted at best. jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 20:41 GMT it may be different in south africa, but in canada i can't see why any "do-gooder" would want to join the hell's angels. why not another group? i hate to see criminal organizations hiding behind a respectable front because it just perpetuates their illegal activities. then again, the world is not simple or black & white. for example, in japan the yakuza are well known for helping out communities in kobe and niigata after their respective earthquakes, long before government aid arrived. but they're also known for a whole bunch of bad things. susannah: Yet Christian bashing is acceptable... jeeff: 25th Nov 2006 - 22:03 GMT one more comment on the subject before i'm officially done: to be absolutely clear, i question the morality of hell's angels members because biker gangs are voluntary organizations, as opposed to racial, ethnic, or state groups, which one is involuntarily born into. social groups like biker gangs are held together by a system of rules, norms, and hierarchies that new members consciously buy into, and perpetuate. each new member who agrees to these rules is strengthening them, and contributing to the gang's strength as an organization. by choosing to join, and affirming the group, they must accept a degree of responsibility for the actions of the group as a whole. Ringo: 25th Nov 2006 - 22:25 GMT Susannah, christian bashing is not acceptable either, the object here is to point out that the actions of the few do not define the whole. I have a friend who is deeply christian and at times we butt heads during conversations we have, we both respect each other though. The Hells Angels are what hey are, no one disputes that members of the club have commited crimes, been jailed etc. What is in dispute is the fact that everyone in that club or any similar club are gangsters and all into organised crime. Jeeff I dont think anyone with an ounce of reason would try and accuse the Hells Angels of trying to hide behind a repsectable front. The Angels are an outlaw bike club. Whats in dispute is what outlaw means, to me and many others its a statement that we dont want to buy into the bullshit laid down by the man. I dont want to tell anyone how to live their life and I resent that anyone should tell me how to live mine. My kids attend a christian school, which hopefully will ground them in the basic teachings of Jesus, when they are older I hope they will grow to realise that you can live a decent life without having to worship anything, but if they decide that they want to become members of a church I will respect their choice. I have know people in bike clubs I wouldnt want to spend a moment of time with and others (a great majority) who I would trust with anything I care about. Any bike club is composed of people, people are good and bad in all walks of life. If you provoke someone with a patch you can be sure of a responce that is the nature of patch clubs. I am offended that the choice to wear a patch is seen as a choice to be evil. It is unusual for any issues with a bike club to extend past the line of issues with another bike club. There is no excuse for innocent people to be victims of any dispute, anywhere, anytime ever. If you beleive in freedom then you have to believe in the right of the Angels or any other club to ride with pride, if you are happy to legislate them out of existance, whos next? If you believe everything you read or see in the media your liable to find yourself in a society where suddenly Jews are living in nice holiday camps, or possibly blue collar workers lose the right to vote. Hopefully we will live in a society where the individual is responsibile for his crimes and the indvidual pays the price of his crimes. susannah: 26th Nov 2006 - 10:19 GMT Ringo - I agree with you on most points - except when you say "you can live a decent life without having to worship anything", only because everybody worships something. Everyone has something that he builds his life around. As far as decent life, many Christians don't live "decent lives" whether by choice or circumstances. Anyway - I respect the way you made your arguments without resorting to insults which many would have done by now. I'll admit I was a little incensed by that "long dead" comment, but I shouldn't have assumed you meant it disrespectfully. anon (ctb-cache4-vif0.saix.net): 26th Nov 2006 - 13:32 GMT Susannah, not everyone worships something, some worship me but that does not make it neccessary. I don't worship anything except maybe my wife. Does that make me bad because I don't buy into your religious views? Guy McLaren: 26th Nov 2006 - 13:37 GMT Jeef most peeople join because they have a buddy in the club, not to be do gooders, that sometimes is just a by product of membership. In fact I have joined organisations in the past for the benefit to me and have so doing benefited many others. If you look for the bad you will find it, seek out enlightenment and good and you too will find it among those you condemn. Even Christian groups are full of lying conniving back stabbing wallies, mind you there are a few good christians too. susannah: 26th Nov 2006 - 15:07 GMT Anon, I didn't really understand your comment but no, I don't think it makes you bad. For better or for worse I'm not one of those people who expects or even wants everyone to see things the way I do. I believe what I believe out of a sense of personal calling more than anything, and the only thing I know for sure is that I don't know everything. Ringo: 26th Nov 2006 - 23:20 GMT Susannah, I'm the kind of person who believes in live and let live, I disagree that we all worship something, I don't count myself as knowing whether or not there is a god or god's. I have looked into Christianity enough to see serious flaws in it that I just can't buy into. At the end of the day you have a right to belive whatever you believe, as we all should. My issues with SOME christians is that they see there way as the only way and every man woman or child is to burn in hell unless the ybow down to Christ as their saviour. How can we ever have peace in the world when one religion tells all others that yours is the only way? At the moment there are evangical and fundemental Christian groups who are supporting war in the far east as they see this is a way of bringing closer the end times. Now surely if you were a true believer you would think that God will choose the time and place? It was jesus's friend who brought Christ into this and his seeming knowledge that on "Judgement Day" he is already on the fast track to heaven. I hope you find comfort in your faith Susannah, I know that for a moment that you will not even consider that you may be wrong in what you believe. The rest of us must deal with life in our own way, I believe that a good deed is a good deed and a bad deed a bad one, no matter who commits it. ScentuousOne..Dec10/2006: 10th Dec 2006 - 16:28 GMT Ive read all these arguments above..you so called christian people bashing HA for the things SOME OF the members have done..you are not paying attention to what is going on in the world..How many prists have molested children over the years, how many so called good guys have killed their family in the name of jesus christ..and i love the bush statement..he is one of the anti christs and yet he is called a christian.. HA , blacks, whites, christians, holy rollers what ever..theres is good and bad people in all of them no matter where you go..and just for heads up ..WE ALL ARE SINNERS..so get off your goody two shoes high horse and look inside your own organization before you place judgement on another.. HAVE A GOOD DAY bill: 12th Dec 2006 - 04:06 GMT the hells angels dont bother anyone unless you start with them, so why is everyone talking shit, on them. thats the hole problem everyone judges them because of all the bad stuff they have heard about them, is that fair to them, no. dont judge anyone unless you have been in there shoes. keep rollin BiG RED MACHiNE, some of us out here love you guys. wiggels: 27th Dec 2006 - 01:11 GMT i am a new rider and i bought my bike out of a H A ran store all i can say is they took my money mixed things that i broke and surve me great i also bought a bike for my wife not from the store and still got a good deal on any thing i want done to it but i also know to shut my mouth and dont try to talk about there business when i am there cause its none of my business be4 i got my bike i went down to the harley davidson store near by and got treated like a nobody cause i had on my work clothes not the nice clothes that other new riders had on even tho my $$$$ was as green as thier's so what i am trying to say is give respect get respect to: 22nd Jan 2007 - 18:15 GMT i never had a pro with the angels my mom and dad have rode for years and my grandpa too and soon i will the told me that if i ever have any problems the angels are there to help my dad broke down on the highway one time and he was in california a area of that state that he didnt know to well and they rode past him and stoped and fixed his bike that is damn cool i know many people who would not do that genn: 22nd Jan 2007 - 19:07 GMT i can see that everyone has their own personal opinion about hellz angels. Its like a well known family. they have their business, problems, just like a normal family would. yes the sell yes they kill..thats what some people do. Its a gang, but it does not mean they dont have a heart. I see so many gangsters walking around my home town. and hear so many crimes and have friends that are dead from gangs..but its your choice to get involved. if you dont want shit to happen or get in a fight. dont cause it, its that simple. you think they will kill for no reason? no. maybe you should be thankful for some of the people they have killed. that person might have been some punk ass that might have effed with your family. you never know things might happen to you. but i know that things happen for a reason. If they are "bad people" im sure they would be dead by now. its all in the hands of the big man up stairs. he is in control. ya dig? Griff: 22nd Jan 2007 - 22:26 GMT To the initil poster. It's East 3rd, not East 13th. susannah: 27th Jan 2007 - 16:23 GMT Granted I have a very poor memory but I seem to recall there was a Hell's Angels hang out on E13th as well. (But I haven't been to the lower east side in over 15 years!) Also Ringo - just so you know many Christians do not support, nor did they ever support the war in the middle east, many of us were alone when we spoke out against invasion, this "end of times" stuff is mostly spin...the entire country was manipulated into this debacle,which was on Bush's personal agenda before he even came into office. I just wanted to point that out (hopefully, in an non-provocative manner - ). When I read over these threads I realize that we are the flip side of the same coin. I had a knee-jerk reaction to what I perceived as insults to people I spend most of my time with (share struggles with, celebrate achievements with etc. etc.)which was in response to your very same knnee jerk reaction to similar innsults about people you care about. Yes we Christians have alot of crazies - just like the HA have alot of criminals ..but for us to argue about itand in the process justify what they do is silly. Anyway- Thank you for giving me things to think about. cha cha cha: 30th Jan 2007 - 03:18 GMT ooooh.... someone's in trouble.... www.gothamist.com/archives/2007/01/29/developing_show.php devil doc: 8th Feb 2007 - 20:45 GMT Live and Let live. I remeber wen i was 14- 15 years old hanging out in front of CB GB'S and talking to a few members of the HA. Down right cool people. I never got mugged as kid or jumped by any street gang thugs. As a matter of fact I felt some sort of refuge in the fact that they were around because it prevented me from getting jumped on more than one occasion by street gang thugs simply because in the 80's I was little punk rocker wearing Camo pants and Army boots and they were into the Hip Hop thing. I have never met an HA that has not been very respectful as long as he was treated with the same respect. If you guys have not learned a thing about them know this it is about "RESPECT" period. That is the only thing you need to know. What is Ironic is that today I am a police officer. But if I had to do it all over againg I would Rather be Red & White because I have never met one who was not a man in all sense of the word. Remember HA does not care how you live your life. Just don't interfere in their life. eagles 32: 15th Mar 2007 - 20:41 GMT my grandpas brother got put in a 50 gallon drum and got shot and throughn in sanfran sisco bay becase he wanted to leave to have a family but what he didn't know was his family was the hells angels then they theatened to kill my grandpa and his family finish em off: 16th Mar 2007 - 19:53 GMT We live in a beautiful 1st world country with endless options and yet greed cruelty violence corruption and deceipt still plaugue us. These people have no consideration for anyone around them but themselves, they dont have any conception about the people they hurt. They will kill whomever and wherever seems "necessary". How many inocent people have to die because of some BULLSHIT caused by ignorant men! Sometimes people dont know what pain is until they have something terrible happen to themselves. Why dont we just send all these bastards overseas and let them watch each other be blown up everyday. Better them dead than some young kid. Jadeluvgrl: 26th Apr 2007 - 00:04 GMT I think the Hells Angels are nice !!! Bikers in clubs get a bad rap, my boyfriend is the president of a biker club. The women are treated very well, and most of the guys would do all they could to help anyone out! iman: 26th Apr 2007 - 00:11 GMT i completely agree with jadeluvgrl. thats just a stereotype about biker guys. that they're women-beating drunks who always fight and cause trouble. i hate stereotypes. like how people have stereotyped me and my friends because we are poor and don't live in the best towns. people have to stop stereotyping. miguel ayala aka Mike: 12th May 2007 - 11:34 GMT Hi I remember when i was in a bicycle club and we went to visit the HellsAngels on E3rd st and they were the coolest people, they treated us with respect,as for the noise what about the cars with broken mufflers or those ninja bikes that are used recklessly,as a biker myself at the ripe age of 51 i think they should leave the Hells Angels alone and sto bugging them? thankyou sincerely Mike anon (cache-ntc-ab09.proxy.aol.com): 8th Jun 2007 - 23:52 GMT trust me hells angels are worse than people think. they are good at pr public realitions. they put on a good show but the public dont know the truth.its the downward spiral of stupidity in america! people are suckers and decieved very easy. most live in a surburban make believe fantasy worlds and know nothin about the 1%er outlaw biker culture. they see it on tv and think they no it all. what about mom boucher in canada? hells angels and canadas biggest crime lord. check him out folks. you all need to get educated. EX HAMC MEMBER: 9th Jun 2007 - 03:05 GMT I was a Hells Angel for 30 years and quit. I became a born again christian. most of them were meth dealers or crank dealers. Hells Angel member Kenny Owen still a member in oakland california was the best meth cooker in the world and made milllions on it. he taught other HA members to cook crank to over the years. this is still where they make most there money to live the high life and never work. even though they like to make you believe they work. some do most dont. they club takes up to much time to hold on to a regular job and when you gotta work it just gets in your way of club business doesnt work out when your on call by the club 24/7. the angels are not what they portray to be. they are bad and they are not nice.i was with them for 30 yrs. i seen violence all around me. women ,kids, whoever got in the way. barry mason: this man is telling the truth. amen! miguel ayala aka Mike: 11th Jun 2007 - 11:56 GMT To Ex HAMC member: If the Hells Angels are so Bad as you say they are then what does that say about you?? you say you were a member for 30 yrs, it makes me think why did you stay? I have a hard time trusting what you say, what chapter did you belong to?? christian biker: 11th Jun 2007 - 21:41 GMT there is many ex 1%er christian bikers here in california. the biggest is phil augulars church in aniheim california there is about 1500 members from ha ,vagos,mongols,its called set free church.there is also ex bloods,crips, ab aryan brotherhood ,surfers, skateboarders, it is a very cool church. nothin like it anywhere else. they help ex cons and give them a home and help them find jobs. barry mayson ex hamc from charleston south carolina has a big bunch of ex 1%er christian bikers at his church. check him out at www.salvationsaloon.com Lisa: 14th Jun 2007 - 04:07 GMT Interesting topic, seems to be debated often. Let us sum up the facts: The Hells Angels are outlaws, 1%er's if you will. Outlaws do not live by societal restraints and generally oh make their living committing crimes, hence outlaws. Hells Angels believe in hierarchy and therefore woman are expected to be submissive to their demands and not raise issue with them in front of others or at all if they can avoid it - which after years of deniable violence I am surprised they haven't figured you can't cure a woman from nagging or bitching. A lot of what the cops say about the HA is true. The HA are criminals and will lie to maintain their freedom - not debating about whether or not cops lie too - Yes they do - what the HA says of cops is also true. They are in a sophisticated game of cops and robbers, where the guns and money are real and so is the cheating, drugs, partying,etc. Bottom line is they are outlaws - my guess as to why they are so respectful to others, is not everybody knows everybody and everybody's kids, so if hypothetically I run into a member - they are more likely to treat me with respect until (1) I give them reason not to and (2) They verify who my family members are. They can be very nice and will "die" for the people they care about, in some cases even when the sentiment isn't reciprocated. Usually it is on some level or another. As far as someone who says they were with them for 30 years - a trusted member perse and is now walking with Christ and then just throws someone under the bus like that, I have no respect for. Why? Because my God doesn't judge and in order for me to be an effective witness to them - my God wouldn't allow me to jeopardize the truth they've entrusted to me - especially with information the cops already know about and anything the cops don't know about I pray to God I don't find out about - because honestly I don't want to know. They are people bottom line - not the Gods that people try to make them out to be - they have emotions and vunerabilities just like the rest of us. If you're lucky enough to see them in their true human form with all of their vunerabilities - then as a Christian you'd know that sometimes all you can do is pray for them. My advice - LEAVE THEM ALONE! If you're one of them or want to be one - pray on it and then pray again because the world you enter will be like one you have never known and similar to the Eagles "Hotel California" in many ways. There are a lot of things the public doesn't know and I sure in the hell won't tell you (besides most people wouldn't believe it) and that you won't find out unless you're in the club or in my case close to one who makes damn well sure you know the full truth - without really knowing the truth. You all take care and people have to make their own choices in life and believe whatever they choose. I believe only what I've gotten from the HA directly or otherwise and I can tell you - I wouldn't cross them but not because I fear them or respect them out of fear - that just keeps me from hanging out with them - I wouldn't cross them because (1) I don't know anything and don't want to know anything and (2) I know they are just people and I love all people. greg w : 29th Jun 2007 - 23:36 GMT I THINK THE ANGLES ARE THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPEND TO THE WORLD AND IF I COULD I WOULD JOIN. real fast miguel ayala aka Mike: 4th Jul 2007 - 23:23 GMT To greg w so would I and maybe someday i'll get the chance to go back to New York and stop by E3rd st and try to prospect for the brotherhood of the HA miguel ayala aka Mike: 14th Jul 2007 - 13:23 GMT Hi I would like to know if it is true that in order to become an Angel you have to ride a Harley?? shawn: 14th Jul 2007 - 18:23 GMT me too but im pretty fuckin sure it aint gonna happen off this webset bahahahaha Mama Mia: 16th Jul 2007 - 00:48 GMT After spending reading all the comments, I've come to the conclusion that way too many people believe everything they read.Makes me wanna start a news paper and write that I'm God and I have all the answers. I swear people would believe it...lol. Now... is it true you have to kill to become a member? Please, gimme a break. Do you have to own a Harley Davidson to be a member? Wow HD should thank the club! No, you have to own a bike that was American made. Hence the "MC" thats on their patch...means motorcycle club....not harley davidson club. Crack dealin' meth sellin thugs...oh my! lol I could bet my eyes on a few cops that take drug money from your local neighborhood dealer to spend on their girlfriend while wifey is home takin care of the kids. I'm not saying they're all pure and holy...but neither are all Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers...on and on. Like they say...'One bad apple doesnt spoil the bushell'. Or whatever, you know what I mean. The Hells Angels are a club, thats it. A huge percent of them are dads, husbands, someones son or brother. They have a mortgage pay taxes and many have served this country in the military. In my humble lil opinion, I think they join the club for brotherhood and for the love of riding. Also, someone always has your back. Now can any of us that are reading say that? No matter what...someones got my back. You're damn lucky if you do. So, if you don't like the HAMC...don't join em, don't support em...whatever, leave em alone. The last time I saw a member, he was sheltering his graddaughter with his vest, in the rain, so she could watch the fireworks. What a vicious killer. BEANZ: 16th Jul 2007 - 01:35 GMT SOME PEOPLE WATCH TO MUCH TV MAN BRAVO TO ALL THE ANGELS THAT FLY TO LOW TO THE GROUND I SAY. HALF THE ONES I KNOW ARE VETS AND FOUGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO TYPE WHATEVER YOU WANT HERE. REPECT THESE DUDES THANK YOU PLUS THEY ARE LIKE ANY OTHER HUGE ORGANIZATION THEY ALL HAVE A FEW SCREW UPS TO GIVE THEM ALL A BAD NAME I THINK THERE WAS A SONG ONE BAD APPLE OR SOMETHING YADDA YADDA BUT HEY PEACE BE SAFE OUT THERE AND REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT WE LABEL OURSELVES WE ARE ALL AMERICAN OH YEH WHAT MAMA MIA SAID TOO LOL GREAT COMMENT Mama Mia: 16th Jul 2007 - 05:01 GMT For those who truly want to read the truth- take a look. http://www.johnnybart81.com/ BEANZ: mama mia thank you for that site Wife of an angel to be!!: 28th Jul 2007 - 13:51 GMT Mama Mia has said it all!! It seems to be the only comment that spoke the truth. My hubby is in the process of joining and let me tell you he hasn't had to kill any one!! The HA believe it or not has strong family values. All the members I have met do own homes and pay taxes. They are business owners and reliable employees. Lets not forget about the annual Toys for Tots ride every year. Come on people ask questions!! miguel ayala aka Mike: 28th Jul 2007 - 14:19 GMT To: Wife of an Angel to be, Hi I asked this question before but now that you can give me the right ansewer I'll ask it again.. is it true that you have to own a Harley to become a member???? thankyou. P.S. what chapter is your hubby joining? always Mike Mama Mia: 31st Jul 2007 - 06:24 GMT Wife of Angel to be...I wish your husband luck prospecting. Thanks for the comments also, I felt like someone had to put a lil light on the subject. And Miguel...the bike HA's own have to be American made. Not all American bikes are Harley. Ever see the retarded show American Chopper? (I can't stand the show...) But there are hundred of shops like that across the country. Wife of an angel to be!!: 1st Aug 2007 - 15:03 GMT Mama Mia, I told my husband about these comments people were making he had a good laugh!! Especially the comment about having to kill to become a member, what a joke! As for the required bike being a Harley Davidson, this is the preferred bike, I can assure that you will never see a HA member on a Victory, another American made Bike!!. Alot of the members ride bikes they have built themselves. Let me get rid of another myth while I am here. You do not have to sign your bike over to the club. Mama Mia: 1st Aug 2007 - 20:08 GMT Wife, I hear ya...when I was readin the comments...I was crackin up! Almost scarey what people believe out there. You;re right though, Harley is the preferred bike (warranty is a beautiful thing too, lol). Did you guys make it to Eurika Springs? anon (blk-7-137-224.eastlink.ca): 6th Aug 2007 - 03:14 GMT The Hells Angels are a motorcycle club, dedicated to the sport of touring on their bikes hence the MC(motorcycle club).Not every member has a criminal record or has been involved in criminal activity.There have been a few bad apples over the years who have been involved in shady things and those individuals have been punished or are being punished and paying their debt to society.It's important not to generalize and say that the whole organization is bad or that it is a criminal enterprise because of a few individuals. If you follow that reasoning you could make the argument that the government or some police departments are criminal organizations, they too have had and still have their share of bad apples and others who are involved in shady activity. If they were a criminal organization why would it be required to own a Harley Davidson? You don't need a motorcycle to commit crimes however you do need one if you want to be in a motorcycle club(MC). So back off, leave them/us alone and let us enjoy our bikes and the open road. suzb: 6th Aug 2007 - 22:54 GMT A friend of mine has been invited to an HA party ( he works with the HA who invited him). With 2 purposes; 1) to check out joining and 2) to get his 14 month old son 'baptized'. Can someone tell me what the latter actually means in the HA world? And my friend did mention his Pink Slip for his bike(s) - as in turning over...? Mama Mia - R U sure about not signing ur bike over? Might different chapters have differing rules, like the way different states do?? AND, the last time I associated with some HA, I being a woman, who had an old man in a smaller now-defunct club, was up for grabs if an HA wanted me; which did happen in our home which was the now-defunct-club's clubhouse at the time. I did know the 1st Angel who had me and we'd had fun dancing and partying previously in life, but the 2nd one who had me that night, I didn't know and didn't feel I could refuse. He was very nice anyway. My old man didn't feel he could refuse either- didn't try. If I went to anything HA with my friend, would that still be the attitude towards women? Thanks, looking forward to ur answer(s). Mama Mia: 6th Aug 2007 - 23:51 GMT Suzb... That's none of my business. Questions like that should be asked to a member. I can say though...I'm a woman and have always been treated with respect; whether with a member or non member. I feel as though I should show repect to everyone, whether it be Joe Blow or a member, because I want it in return. suzb: 7th Aug 2007 - 00:16 GMT Thanks. Sorry I must have overstepped some boundaries; you're obviously knowledgeable and those questions recently started burning in my brain; thats all. Again, thanks for your reply. Respectfully, ; ) Suzb Mama Mia: LMAO.... too cute Suzb! Don't be sorry. suzb: Cool Mama, Ride Safe ! 81 Supporter Denver: 17th Aug 2007 - 16:55 GMT As far as "Other peoples property" HA now has a stronge guidelines than back in the day. Sure there's prob ladies that like to be "passed around" but the rule is "if it's not yours, don't touch it"..going back to what was said up top, they have huge family values, support marrage, etc. Talking about folks getting into trouble....I'll only say that not EVERYONE that's a member gets in to trouble. There are folks in every type of organization that will go out of their way to make a statement or "ruin" it for others if you will. If someone at your work place gets arrested for child abuse do they associate you with them too? I mean you work together right? So you must be involved in the same things as them right? Members join to become apart of a group of enthusiasts that are hardcore bikers and ride 24/7. I'd say the majority or members all have reg jobs, own homes, have famlies that would be very sad if something happen to their loved one. Most people would never endanger that relationship. The brotherhood, family and comradery like the military is something most people in this world need and should at least get a taste of at some point in their life. It's addicting. There are also many rules pertaining to drug use, fighting, etc...Sure someIf someone needs to explain it then you prob shouldnt know. It's the world of the biker...there are unspoken rules, written rules, lots of respect and common scence to be used. It's all the same that goes for everyday living also. Nothing is diff in the biker world. Treat others as you'd like to be treated, period.Bikers just enforce it. Wife of an angel to be!!: 21st Aug 2007 - 19:37 GMT I have one question William, did I miss something? What does your email have to do with the topic? miguel ayala aka Mike: 16th Sep 2007 - 22:30 GMT Hi it has been awhile since I have said hello and I just wanted to know how are my fellow bikers doing,, I hopw all is well may you all have a safe ride bye for now always Mike dan: 30th Oct 2007 - 04:02 GMT the hells angels are very respectfull bikers. They ride with honor and are glad to help people out. you can talk all the shit you want but they are a great group to ride with. support your local 81. there kick ass mother fuckers. and if u don't, then go to hell!!! minneapolis good luch with your club house I hope to see a new on soon. you all kick ass. ride hard!!! Gary: 31st Oct 2007 - 09:55 GMT Much of what I read here reminds of comments about what gentlemen the German officers were in restaurants after they had invaded France! Listen here: The Hells Angels, each and every chapter in existence, is a centre for the manufacturing and distribution of meth, cocaine and sometimes heroin. not to mention date rape drugs. These are not rumours spread around to blacken the reputation of fun, colorful guys on hogs. The Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Inc. has been certified as a 'criminal conspiracy' in Canada and will be in the US eventually. I do not agree personally that suppression is the best way to handle the drug culture but what the HAMC is doing in much worse. Am I the only one who remembers the Biker War in Quebec in the 90's? About 160 bikers of various patches were murdered with guns, bombs, saws - when an 8 year old boy named Daniel was murdered b a bomb and two retired cops working as prison guards were shot down in public, the cops were finally given the legislation and facilities to deal with them. Since that time, as police have been more and more aggressive, the HAMC has mounted a campaign of 'Poor us, we be just like you, John Q Public) that is something to see. Poor little bikers being harassed by stormtroopers...and good intentioned folks out there accept it, out of a kind of magical thinking that will only lead to disaster. The HAMC is worth millions and will say anything to protect their income streams, including whores of any age and paid contract hits. I have spent 8 years researching the Quebec HAMC and other smaller clubs. Using that research I have written a fairly epic novel that will be published in December. THE ANGELS (lulu publishing, 2007) sums up a lot of what I saw and heard, but tells its story in a fictional style. I did my best to understand them as people but I tell you honestly, if I told the true stores, no one would believe me. Check out http://truthaboutangels.blogspot.com/ if you want to see a few of the stories the novel could not accomodate. By the by, now that THE ANGELS is being published, out of a sense of self preservation, I have moved to Asia where I feel safer in the short run. THE ANGELS is going to piss off a lot of HAMC members and I expect their lawyers will try to suppress it. Screw them - they are cowards with guns and neither deserve not get in romantic accolades from me. Montrealer: 16th Nov 2007 - 04:16 GMT I live in Montreal, were the most biker brutality is but I still say having a few family members in here that there just good people who do bad things. If you wanna see real killers lets talk Crips and Bloods or as I call them Pussies with guns who can't even shoot properly for christ sake. They turn the gun around and aim slightly to the ground, what are they? the A team, shooting at the ground around the other guy to make him feel defeated. But wait, how are their casulties? are they like samuris and can't stand the shame of a defeat? well ok. Just let me say this, a lot of them are really nice and would never even think of recruiting a kid or hurting one. miguel ayala aka Mike: 11th Dec 2007 - 13:02 GMT Hi I was just wondering is Sonny barger still in prison??? ok may you all have a safe ride bye for now always Mike jd: 17th Dec 2007 - 05:19 GMT truly brave people don't need gangs or clubs to fight their battles. the real bad ass crazy will come after you alone, not that it's a good thing. most people are brave and better fighters when they know they can use their cell to call 30 friends when they need to. so lets stop the bullshit. stfu: 20th Dec 2007 - 00:47 GMT I saw a HA member use a woman's head to beat on bongo drums during a music venue. I look at it as he was teaching her how to play music. I bet he didn't even charge her for the lessons. miguel ayala aka Mike: 20th Dec 2007 - 14:47 GMT Hi I just want to wish all you guys a MERRY CHRISTMAS & a HAPPY NEW YEAR a SAFE RIDE Zenblonde: 31st Jan 2008 - 08:33 GMT It just amazes me how provincial and small minded some of the people here are. It also amazes me that Gary is quite happy to make money from whom he thinks are such dreadful people, but then I guess most people with no morals or sense of respect will jump on the bandwagon if they can. Cowards with guns? I think you're a coward with a pen, you run once you've written your BS, shame on you, havent you got the guts to stand by what you've penned? LOL.....pathetic, small minded Canadians will never understand. 81 supporter bandidos ms: 16th Mar 2008 - 03:15 GMT we are good people, we love ha very much tey are our dearestt brothers dont fuk around wiv us bubba: 16th Mar 2008 - 04:54 GMT What I dont understand is....if so many people dont like the HA, why do you "know" so much about them. I cant count how many times I have just read that they are dope dealing dirtbags. Who cares. Do they mess with you? NO. I dont see you making posts on all the regular gang banging dope dealing pieces of dirt that really ruin our neighborhoods. And to clarify, YES, there are regular law abiding members within the HA. Some are doctors, and lawyers. I have traveled this country fairly well, have met up with many HA members. Im not saying that there arent any that break the law. Sure, there are. If your going to judge because they broke the law, then look at yourself, or your best friend. At somepoint in your life, either yourself or one of your friends has broken the law. No, you say. Do you know anyone who has shoplifted, or has sped. Sure, these arent hardcore like murder, or dope dealing, but they have broken the law all the same. Why not stop classifying all HA members as law breakers. Again, before your forget (which you probably have), Im not saying that they are all "angels". But, their are some HA members, (you may even work with one) that you wouldnt even know they were a member by looking. Some are clean cut members of society. They dont all have long hair, or beards or just look like a dirtbag. So, either support them, or forget them. Their like a bee, they wont mess with you unless you piss them off. Peter: 28th Mar 2008 - 23:21 GMT why do people feel compelled to type comments in ALL CAPS? Dawn: 29th Mar 2008 - 16:11 GMT After reading all this bull...I have no idea who to believe and I have decided to spend my energy on another topic...who gives a crap. If you are not interested in joining an HA Club...do you really need to know this stuff? Who cares. People are people....live life and love it then get the f*** out. And Suzb...Have respect for your own body and don;t blame what happened to you on the HA's...you did say it is a defunked club, right? I WONDER WHY???? 6th 2007- :8:45 GMT jack: 6th Apr 2008 - 01:39 GMT god bless the clubs is that a joke Arnie: 8th Apr 2008 - 00:38 GMT When I lived in NYC, the Biker Gangs where almost non-existent. When they started to show up in the 60's, the other pedestrian gangs would kick their asses, for being loud mouth assholes. I now live in Los Angeles, and all the Hell's angels sell Meth. I wonder if they know the harm they cause, I wonder if they care. Mike: 11th Apr 2008 - 21:51 GMT Hells Angels member arrested on assault charges Hybrid Apr 11, 2008 12:29 PM (3 hrs ago) by Staff, The Examiner SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News)- A Pacifica member of the Hells Angels was arrested Thursday on suspicion of assaulting three women with a deadly weapon recently. Robert Gee, 34, was arrested at his residence at 121 Dardenelle Ave. in Pacifica after police obtained evidence linking him to the alleged assaults. Capt. Fernando Realyvasquez said police began an investigation several months ago after receiving a number of reports of assaults. At 6 a.m. Thursday, the Pacifica Police Department along with SWAT teams from the Daly City Police Department and the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office executed search warrants in Pacifica and East Palo Alto. Gee is charged with assault with a deadly weapon, police said. Examiner.com Related Articles: * New colleagues say Speier will have no trouble adjusting * Slaying suspect's motion to fire attorney denied * Water shortage could stifle growth * Visual Arts: Main Gallery goes ‘Outside Inside’ * Former lawmaker wins special election for Calif. House seat The member of Hells Angels was booked into Redwood City jail Thursday with a $50,000 bail. He posted bail several hours later, Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe said. He said Gee has no history of previous felonies in San Mateo County. Founded in California 60 years ago, Hells Angels Motorcycle Club consists of members who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles and is considered an outlaw motorcycle gang by police. The Pacifica Police Department, which is the lead investigative agency, are continuing the investigation into the case. Mike: 11th Apr 2008 - 21:55 GMT Brothel owner asks to suppress evidence By BEN NEARY • Associated Press Writer • January 15, 2008 * Post a Comment * Recommend * Print this page * E-mail this article * Share this article: * Del.icio.us * Facebook * Digg * Reddit * Newsvine * What’s this? CHEYENNE, Wyo.(AP)— The owner of a Nevada brothel who’s charged with possessing and transporting child pornography in Wyoming has asked a federal judge to suppress the evidence against him. Advertisement A lawyer for David Burgess, 55, says the government’s search of his laptop computer following a traffic stop last summer violated his constitutional rights. Burgess is owner of the Old Bridge Ranch, a legal brothel east of Reno, Nev. He’s also a leader of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang in Nevada. James H. Barrett, assistant federal public defender in Cheyenne, represents Burgess. Barrett on Monday asked U.S. District Judge Alan B. Johnson to block prosecutors from using the seized computer materials in court. In his suppression request, Barrett states that Burgess was a passenger in a motor home that a Wyoming Highway Patrol trooper pulled over last July near Evanston. The trooper stopped the motor home because it was pulling a trailer with expired tags. According to a police statement, both the driver and Burgess told police they were members of the Hells Angels and were traveling to the 2007 Hells Angels USA Run in Eureka Springs, Ark. Barrett states that a Uinta County Sheriff’s deputy happened by during the traffic stop and volunteered the use of his drug dog to sniff around the motor home. The dog reportedly alerted on the door to the motor home. Although Burgess told police that they needed a warrant to search the motor home, Barrett states that both the state trooper and the deputy searched the inside of the motor home, finding marijuana and a substance the police believed to be cocaine. State drug charges were filed against Burgess, but were later dismissed. Troopers impounded the motor home after the traffic stop. Barrett states that police applied for a search warrant to allow them to search the motor home and trailer for “evidence of controlled substances or dealing in controlled substances,” including computer records. They also applied to search for personal property that would “tend to show a conspiracy to sell drugs.” Jim Anderson, assistant U.S. Attorney in Cheyenne, said at a court hearing last month that a search of a laptop computer found in the motor home showed it to be “chock full” of child pornography, leading to the pending criminal charges against Burgess. Anderson hasn’t yet filed a response to Barrett’s suppression motion. Barrett points out in his argument to Judge Johnson that the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that warrants must “particularly describe the place to be searched and the persons and things to be seized.” Barrett argues that the warrant in Burgess’ case was written so broadly that it allowed the officers conducting the case to determine on their own what they could seize.“All computer records and personal property fall within the ambit of the warrant,” he wrote. prospects wife: Hi Mikey, I see your getting around!! Black Sheep Squad Hangaround: 5th May 2008 - 19:16 GMT You will never convince such narrow-minded people of the dignity and honor 81 brings to the table. The average citizen ought to thank every 1%er they come across for standing the #$%& up like free men. The freedoms we lose today are the same ones you'll have taken from you tomorrow. Holier-than-thou, narrow-minded bigots are joyfully clueless. I live my life, you live yours. You don't live in my world and you don't pay my way. Respect is earned. Beatings cost nothing. Michelle: 6th May 2008 - 14:18 GMT "prospects wife", are you the moderater of this page? Suddenly my opinion is down. It's fun to come here now and read all the nonsense bullsheisse people have written down. All I'm trying to say to you is, why are you so involved in what your husband is prospecting for? If you would like to speak off this page, we can. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but all the shit written on here is lame and seems like lighter fluid keeps being squirted on the bullsheisse. I'm not a keyboard monkey and don't argue online, but if you would like to speak so you can hear where I'm coming from we can. prospects wife: 6th May 2008 - 16:38 GMT Michelle, I have commented on on this page. No I am not the moderator of this page. Clearly the message I left was not intended for evweryone to understand. You ask me why I am so involved with what my husband is prospecting for. Because as a wife that is what I do. I stand up for the beliefs of both my husband and myself. I also do not like to argue online, but I do not understand the the reason you chose to address me if it was not the last comment I made Michelle: 7th May 2008 - 04:35 GMT "prospects wife", the only reason I wrote to you is because all the lamo-s who are keyboard jockey's on here are a joke. I can't believe every article I read and you seem to be on trying to defend people's lame comments a lot on here. I noticed the past two comments I made were not on here. I too am proud of my man. Fuzzy H.A.M.C.O. a 39 year member and one of only 2 original N.Y.C. members still alive and in the club (check it if need be). I would never go on pages naming myself "member's wife". The club is my husband's thing, I support him 100%!!!!!!! I just don't, as a chick, fight battles he doesn't need be involved with. Just curious why you are attacking lames on here. The stories are fake, the info is fake, but as a woman, I don't get involved with my hun's business. Maybe one day we'll meet. Fuzzy is still a member, in Oakland. He left N.Y.C. in 1977. The internet is stoopid as a 3 dollar bill. Pick your battles. I've read a lot of false bullshit on here and don't care what people's opinion's are. I know what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. Fuck the dumb! prospects wife: 7th May 2008 - 12:59 GMT I hear ya. It just makes me so made that people would rather believe stupid crap than ask questions. I never really intended to attack lames on this site. The one particular person I was reffering to has attacked the club viciously. As you know my husband and any other members wouldn't waste their time on the piece of crap, so I kind of felt the obligation to respond and tell the truth. Hopefully we will get to meet someday. Have a great one. Michelle: 10th May 2008 - 03:23 GMT People will bitch all they want to. They can make up their stories, print them, and make everyone believe it's true (including law enforcement...usually they are the ones who start it up). Everyone grows a set of titanium balls behind a keyboard. What someone does for a living shouldn't affect the club, but it does. There are cops who do fucked up shit and most of the time get away with it. Probably get sent to a desk job in the evidence room where they have access to all kinds of sheisse...ahhahaah They are a "group" what makes Yogi and Boo Boo better? A badge? Whatever. Who cares what the kooks are posting. If I had a penny for every lame-o on the web that thinks they know what's going on I'd be a rich bitch. Even social sites like Myspace are out of control. As for the person you are addressing, he probably sits at home nekkid and jacks off to every single article written about the club....prints them out and puts them on his walls. Probably wishes he was a member. He's not part of anything so he has so much time to hate. Fuck him. He hides behind the computer. I'd dare him to meet someone in person. He's a pimple on my ass. And the comment about not seeing any members on Victory Motorcycles, you may want to clear that up. I do know a member who rides a Victory and another who rides a BMW! I don't speak for the club at all about any of their "rules", I don't know what they are...neither do you!!!! All my opinion is, let it go and just laugh at the fuckers. It makes for good reading. I've attatched a couple of already public photo's on my baby, my lover and I. treee: 13th May 2008 - 04:24 GMT dave burgess the world president of the hells angels who had tens of thousands child porn pictures take alot of pictures of his neighbors garden _lots and lots of pictures of his neighbors garden.. dig a little deeper and you will find living ( well dead ) proof of the crimes treee: 13th May 2008 - 04:29 GMT do some hiking around where the old bridge ranch is, see troy regas has had teh ranch and licence and property in his name a few years ago ( cuz he owns it now)) so the saying dave burgess lost his licence and brothel is all a lie - if anyone is in the reno area, watch what they are doing -- around the ranch _ they are cleaning out and getting rid of the bodys and missing children and people and i knoe this , because the FBI AND RENO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE CONTACTED ME AND WANT TO FLY ME TO RENO,.. BUT SEE I KNOE HOW TO GET UNDER STOREY COUNTY __ THE OBR,, IT IS STOREYS ,LEVELS ;LAYERS THE UNDERWORLD IF U WILL michelle: 20th May 2008 - 04:38 GMT need I say more...the post up above. HAHAHAHAHHAH.....what a choad! I really believe you. That's why the lames write their shit in broken English and make absolutely no sense. And if the "POLICE DEPARTMENT" wants to fly him to Reno why is he online telling everyone? I'm positive the FEDS check this tread out frequently as it is public. Prime example of lil monkeys on the keyboard laz81: 20th May 2008 - 21:14 GMT wow!have read with interest, the coments posted about the HAMC, sadly, its clear many know very little about the club. and i say club because it is just that, a club not a gang! to the bros and sisters that know the dance my respects! just a few points if i may, first you dont walk up to your nearest clubhouse and ask to join. the HAMC recognizes prospective members and the sometimes very long and hard road to full patch begins, you dont have to sell drugs, kill people,rape or pillage but youwill clean a toilet or two! its all about commitment honesty,and most of all Respect!! stop reading hunter thompsons book, its 40 years out of date! the feds dont help matters aswell folks your tax dollers have been waisted by those clowns for years with bulls..t cases against the club and the proof is in the failed cases aginst the club, go catch Bin Laden for god sake. as for Sonny Barger, he is not in jail! and is enjoying his 51st year in the hamc! as for the fire and brimstone people,get your own house in order before you chuck stones at ours! love and respect to HAMC world, and all 81 supporters Stasia: 21st May 2008 - 05:38 GMT Just out of curiosity, what is the HA's stance on getting involved in domestic disputes? I have two friends who are being stalked and harassed by some loser who shows up at their houses wearing his "colors" and acting like he is making phone calls to HA's to come and help assault their family members and significant others. He openly says that his "Hell's Angels Brothers" will KILL for him if he just makes a phone call. This guy doesn't even own a bike and I have no idea where he got his "vest". But it was my understanding that the Hell's Angels don't get involved in stuff like that. These women are scared for their lives and all they did was break off relationships with this guy. I personally do not know anyone that belongs to the club and I certainly don't want or need to get involved with them. Just thought this would be a good place to ask the question. Thanks... SteveO: 14th Jun 2008 - 13:12 GMT Though I don't find 90+% of the posters on this board to be worth the sweat off my balls, I shall post anyway just because I have become bored with the uninformed BS... Break it down.. Show me a list of all the alleged Angels that have committed crimes then show me a list of all the law enforcement personnel that have committed crimes and let's see which is the longer list. You fucking morons don't realize that the real domestic terrorist are your own boys in blue sacrificing all of our Constitutional and Civil Rights just to pacify their own egos and control issues..Wake the fuck America..The real threat are our own trusted servants. Drug dealers??? What do you morons think pharmacutical companies are all about? Health care??? Wake the fuck up! Your getting raped by your own and don't even know it...I would walk down any alley with a pocket full of cash anywhere and feel a whole lot safer knowing there were Angels in the area than I would knowing there were police in the area. Hollywood, ignorance, and your own uniformed fantasies have your perception twisted to the point that you actually think you know what you are talking of..Get back to your tv and soak-up some more of the distorted propaganda that the media wants you to believe..Be afraid, be very afraid for the real threat has already assimilated your stupid ass! Mike Ortz: 15th Jun 2008 - 03:29 GMT I have a question, is it true that you have to be white to be accepted as an Angel? chance: 24th Jun 2008 - 14:03 GMT i've seen plenty of hispanic, philipino, and other asian men in the club. Mike Ortiz: 3rd Jul 2008 - 20:51 GMT Thanxs Chance, I didn't know. I just assumed it was an all white club, from the photos I've seen, and from there past leaders ( Sonny Barger ). richard holmstrom jul 8 2008 : 9th Jul 2008 - 04:37 GMT i grew up with alot of HA in richmond ca and cant wate to see them come to missoula still ware my support your local red and white love them all like brothers eyeofodin: 19th Sep 2008 - 02:37 GMT RIP Mark Guardado..I just hope his death will not justify more bloodshed on the steets of SF. 6th 2007- :8:45 GMT jack: 14th Oct 2008 - 22:52 GMT hells angles are the best the fight like warriors god bless america wonders why people are such sheep: 24th Oct 2008 - 18:59 GMT Haji you said: It had some cool stuff in it, but frankly, I would never support their criminal enterprise. Do you support the government? they are the biggest crimainls in the world. Educate yourself. More cops are busted for crimes each year than all bike club members put together, its swept under the rug or never ends up on the media. bonanza,man : 27th Oct 2008 - 02:40 GMT I enjoy the rides, the stories.. and they are all very good riders. I do think the cops would have better ways to spend tax payers dollars than flying the company jet rangers, motor homes with video and all local jurisdictions on alert for a fun poker run. Any way all the guys I have met over the past 10 years riding in San Fran, Marin and oakland have nothing but good fun. Hell even Sonny B is a cool guy. He would personaly work on my bike. I asked him once to put a larger carb on it. His response was did you like the bike when you bought it? save your money and enjoy it as it is. I have never ever forgotten that. i would ride with them any day. rachamim ben ami: 24th Nov 2008 - 17:03 GMT Wow! People are still riffing on this crap? "Hells Angles are evil!/Hells Angels are great, they make our block safe!" What a bunch of garbage. Either way no one here seems to know one way or the other. Are they they Anti-Christ? Of course not! Are they saints? Ha! The chumps who think they make the block or neighbourhood safe are living in their own isolated shells. Some of you MIGHT be old enough to remember when they moved to the hood in 69. Granted, it was then, and for along time after far from paradise but I have to say, only the angles ever committed gang rapes and regularly trashed peoples' businesses. The person who said the Angles only ever bother those in their lifestyle is also talking nonsense. You should ask the guy who owned a leathergoods store in the Village back in the early days, he was famous in his own right, he and his beautiful girlfriend. One day the Angels attended a funeral for one of their members at a funeral home a few doors over and for fun went into leather store, trashed it, and then gangbanged his 17 year old girlfriend for fun. Wonder if Groover and his love thought the "Club" made the area safer? You think? Or maybe it WAS safer a week later when the man and his girlfriend dropped all charges after having the man's parents threatened with decapitation. Or what about the organisation as a whole? Canadians surely love them! I bet those gamblers in the casino out in Nevada loved them too when they whipped out a pistol and began licking off shots just because a rival gang was staying in the hotel above! Well, the other club probably did have ahand in it as well but the Angles went there looking for issues and when they did not find them made their own. People really need to get their facts and stop to think outside the box. 81s bein animals: 29th Dec 2008 - 05:13 GMT HAMC and all the other 1%ers have long since left their roots as a brotherhood of rowdy riders. They're criminal organizations who are about as cute as MS13. Anyone who thinks any different is just another deluded anti-hero worshiping putz who's been "educated" by Hollywood and TV. The only outlaws I know who have real roots in the brotherhood of the road are independents who ride hard, do as they please, hang out with their own kind, and mind their own business, but who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on an 81, a black and white, a bandit or a mongol if any of them were on fire. biker chick from NY: 8th Mar 2009 - 22:56 GMT I gotta laugh at all these stupid comments about the Hells Angels being criminals. If you dont know them you shouldnt be spitting your comments here. I know a lot of bikers, all of which are my friends. Some are HA. Some arent. Some have patches, some dont. But they all share a common interest. The love of the motorcycle. If you never rode a motorcycle or rode on one, then you cant comment. To feel the wind on your back as your riding downt the highway is the greatest joy. There used to be a saying many years ago...." If I have to explain, you wouldnt understand". Its so true! Im not going to try to defend the lamers who are posting bad stuff about HA or bikers in general because their ignorance says it all. But I had to comment. By the way, nice pic Michele! Ride safe! Renegade Ed: 28th Mar 2009 - 03:40 GMT I love it when people listen to the biggest crooks on the Planet..The FEDS! Spin Doctors par excellance! The Red & White are who they are & what they are, and have been since 1948. All respect to Local 81 - Long Live the Red & White. Here's A Quarter, Call Someone Who Cares: 13th Apr 2009 - 02:08 GMT All you 1%'ers need to get a clue. "Outlaw" motorcyclists? This is 2009, not 1959. Get a clue, you adult babies. Warlock Brotherhood, Hell's Angels, Outlaws.... all of you grown men need to grow up. Wah, wah, wah. Look at how all you boneheads whine on here like a big bunch of babies. Wah! Dirty Dutch 1%3r: 17th Apr 2009 - 02:30 GMT I was SandyAlexander's prospect in the 1970-80-s, am free and living in the west, I will be at the Laughlin Run an if the opportinuty arises I will burn another fuckin punk Mogol. Fuck the Mongols and their blood lines. Dutch 1%er Rusty B.1%er: 24th Apr 2009 - 17:19 GMT In the 70's and 80's I rode .with the Huns and HAMC, Bridgeport,CT. During those times we would have lit the enemy, tossed his ass inside his clubhouse and watch them all blow up. Ride strong..........R magiclowrider: 26th Apr 2009 - 00:48 GMT This is all very interesting and I like the discussion. I am very curious how a someone becomes a member of the HA? How are memebers picked and how long is the initiation? I thing that the HA are like any other part of society, there are some good and some bad. It takes all kinds to make a world. Ted IV: 2nd May 2009 - 22:58 GMT LOL whine whine whine boohoo have some cheese to go with that whine I have been around the outlaw clubs since I was before born and with the way the system of government works here in USA Bikers are a breathe of fresh air Our system of law from our president on down to the beat cop is Who cares if they did not do it just get them as long as we get the community to believe they are safe thats what counts You know pretend LOL and bikers are the bad guys LOL LOL It does bother me though that they all fight like they do I have hung out with just about all the clubs and get a long very well with them I was 4 yrs old and an outlaw club from Yonkers NY (1962 they gave me a nickname and found out that I was only 4 they thought I was a midget so did the bar owner we would drink and laugh LOL Then they got in trouble for it) They told me in the Bar they hung out in up on Croton ave Ossining NY (the angels took their colors and they could not wear in NY) They had this old beat up B/W pic of a bunch of guys kneeling around an old plane P49? And said thats the Hells Angels That is who the Hells Angels represent no matter what you respect them.. and I have for 46 years and they are the Best of the best The only place I could get served alcohol out in elpaso was the little big wheel in 1977 Those cowboys will not serve breeds? tried Juarez but the policia love using us drunken gringo's for target practice. So I found The little big wheel I would get buzzed hit people and run LOL Yup they chased me thru the streets and up into the franklin Mts I always got away They would let me back in the next day give em hell hell give em Keep up the good work Love forever Ted IV Kingsland Ga Bandit aka tony: 10th May 2009 - 10:33 GMT Angels are protectors for those stuck in hell on earth often times out numbered however dont back down.hells angels forever ,bandit. liz: 3rd Jun 2009 - 23:27 GMT Hey... I lived on the lower eastside of Bayonne almost all my life and there was a bike club called the Eastside Sinners, just around the corner. I had to pass it on my way to work and back every day (worked in NYC). I remember hot summer nights they always had the front door open and the sound of playing pool and a TV or radio playing and a few bikers hanging outside was always a welcome to me because in those days no one lived on the other side of the tracks or were afraid of the unknown and I always felt protected at anytime of the night. I like to ride and I never met a biker from the Hells Angels, but I do like good memories. Man or Beast: 26th Jun 2009 - 23:36 GMT Rumours, mostly lies. "When we do good no one remembers- When we do bad no on forgets," Do I know a bunch of Hells Angels, No- just a few. I grew up back east somewhere. When I was a little kid i remember going in the back room of a store and seeing a chalkboard with all sorts of numbers written on it, a book making facility. My dad taught me real early "don't ask questions about stuff, that is non of your business." He was 100% Sicilian, when i was s kid I though it would be cool to have a mafia dad. I found out not because my dad was involved but because he knew people that were that hollywood mafia is 99% BS. I know nothing about criminal activities of the members of HAMC. I dont ask. But can say that at least on member is a friend of mine he owns a very succeful completely legitimate business and is without a doubt a millionare. The stories I have heard about him have about 1% truth, they are told by someone who barely knows the guy and then retold by someone who doesnt even know the guy. Yes my friend has a temper, but if the stories I have heard about him were true- he would have beat me up for some of the things I have done! Although I can tell you that if you think he is a push over wimp like some people like to boast here you are sadly mistaken. He is a gentleman, polite, curteous, thoughtful, clean, and extreamely hospitable. I hope I can ride with him again soon as we are on seperate coasts. Most of the angels are not involved in criminal enterprizes out of the ones that I have met. They are all kinds of business men. I was at a clubhouse recently and observered that most of the members did not have a drink! I am sure that people will say I am a fool. sonja: 27th Jun 2009 - 14:43 GMT I am with a 1%er. He works at a legit job and has never been violent or abusive towards me. I can't say the same for the so-called "normal" men I've been with before him. peggy keifert: 30th Jun 2009 - 20:30 GMT I'm still a big fan of the nyha and stand behind what most people are saying, unless provoked, they cause no harm. I lived with them for a while in the early 70's. the address then was 77 east 3rd st. I don't know if they're still there or not, but sandy alexander was the president, his wife was collette and his son, eric, were all kind to me and treated me with more respect than most people. I think if you don't know, you shouldn't judge them. they have a strong brotherhood...and I was only 16 then...and they took care of me like big brothers. so.....if you poke a cat enough times, it will scratch you...is it the cat's fault? hardly. peace peggy keifert: 30th Jun 2009 - 20:36 GMT to answer someone's question: sonny barger is not in prison, he has a "shop" in arizona, lost his voice to cancer, speaks through a voice box.....the newspapers there had a story about him not too long ago. miguel Aka Mike: 10th Jul 2009 - 11:41 GMT Thank you for your answer to my question about sonny barger.. I'm glad to hear that he is alive and alright... may you all ride safe thank you always Mike Tim: 14th Jul 2009 - 15:48 GMT I've met alot of hell Agals over the years at rallys . They are good guys rev: 19th Jul 2009 - 08:26 GMT for the person that said that H.A would not ride a victory think again i know for a fact that sonny barger has one i saw it , they are legit american bikes they will smoke any harley stock than most modified harleys. Savannah: HAIL HAIL TO THE HELLS ANGELS! withoutgoingouthedoor: Right on, Sonja. Jessie: 18th Aug 2009 - 19:52 GMT Is in amasement as they roar thru Farmington ny.Their always welcome!Good to see them again. Guy McLaren: 25th Aug 2009 - 16:41 GMT Kind of stupid for a meth lab to advertise where they are with a giant ass HA sign? No? kelowna guy: 10th Sep 2009 - 07:11 GMT man i still cant believe some morons think the hells angels are not criminals. it mesmorizes me. i used to date a girl whose dad was hells angel. he would tell me what they do. so if you like abusing women, poisoning society, up crime rates majorly, rape, weapons trading, shitty harley bikes, then hey i guess the hells angels are all right in your book. 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