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These Things No Longer Exist

- Andrew Smith - Tuesday, June 27th, 2006 : goo

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Digging through some old photo's, here's some scanned photo's, all from 1994. Two of these buildings are no more, and the bridge has changed form.

Carrington Power Station - immediately on the other side of the Ship Canal from Irlam, next to where the River Mersey flows into it (it comes out again at Warrington, before becoming tidal at Liverpool). Now demolished, and so no longer can you tell where Irlam is from miles away, with no twin chimneys for reference. The area is currently used as a huge storage area for cars, on there way to where I do not know.

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This railway bridge no longer exists in this form. It was rebuilt as a solid bridge, filled with foam, so no more scrambling up the sides for bored teenagers.

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This is a terrible photo, I know. I took it from a bus, and really should have avoided the flash. It is the CWS Margarine Works (A Co-Op factory for any social historians out there). The factory was the view from my bedroom as a child and, as I remember, I thought I'd get a quick picture as I knew it was going to be demolished.

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Back to things that still exist. This train was one of only four 'fireless engines' ever built. It was filled with steam and then used to transport materials around Irlam's long closed Soap Works. It was moved to the park, where myself, and many generations of Irlam kids used to climb and play on it, pretending to be train drivers. It became too dangerous to play on and has recently been restored and moved to the side of Irlam's new by-pass.

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The power station may have gone, but Carrington's chemical works are still going strong. Part of the site can be seen in the background here.

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Well, that was 1994, things change, time marches on.

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jack: 27th Jun 2006 - 15:47 GMT

andrew you got it right. things change! the things we grew up with are disappearing right before our eyes. soon, all of us will join the things that disappeared. people i loved and took for granted are all gone now and i can't talk to them anymore. places i spent my childhood have changed and they never knew i was there. i didn't even leave a sign like kilroy to show i was there many years ago. and the sad thing is that the new people don't even care or give a hang about it, they just nod their heads and probably think to themselves, "well mac, things change so move on with life". look around you, smile at people because a smile on your face is a beautiful thing, and pray to God.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 29th Jun 2006 - 05:24 GMT

Hi Andrew, I managed to get into the site thru your name search !
I remember sliding down the embankment under the bridge on pieces of cardboard "borrowed" from Quicksave. And dangerously walking along the railway tracks to Flixton ( much LESS scary than those locks ha ha). Dont know how old you are but can you remember the old man that used to operate the ferry across the canal you could take your bikes over on it for about 2p.
Every Irlamite remembers the Train ! Most used it in preference to the toilets in the baths! I went to Irlam in 2003 and was really saddened by all the equipment that had gone. Roundabout,rocket, swings, rolling barrel, and the amazingly dangerous slides. They were so high and had no sides on them and theyd burn your backsides coming down them in summer. ( we used to make them faster by rubbing waxy wrappers from mothers pride bread wrappers)As my parents owned Brophys bakery ,the wrappers were always plentiful. The sandpit and paddling pool around the back had also gone and the bandstand ( that had been in disrepair for eons) had finally been removed.
Even the 100 odd year original school ( Endowed) has been torn down and replaced.....When will developers look beyond the time of their term in office and realise the implications of their decision making.
speak soon.

Andrew Smith: 29th Jun 2006 - 12:30 GMT


I can just about remember the ferry, I think I got taken on it once when I was very young.

I expect, having emigrated, that when you do come back any changes are much more noticable, especially when your memories of the place are so entwined with growing up.

The park does look much safer these days!

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 30th Jun 2006 - 02:02 GMT

Its strange really....I live at the beach in Australia, its beautiful, paradise on my doorstep. We were out walking along our local about 4 weeks ago watching the dolphins play in the shallows !!! and yet I still love Irlam. Guess its what you say...a place entwined with memories of growing up.

Andrew Smith: 1st Sep 2006 - 23:00 GMT


You're right - a smile is a beautiful thing. Many memories bring a smile.

With sites like this, the internet is like an infinite memory bank. Keep smiling!

DAVE: 11th Dec 2006 - 20:26 GMT

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Hi im from irlam did you live off Broadway and your family had the bakers one of the last shops on twenty row

Andrew Smith: 17th Dec 2006 - 10:54 GMT

Hi Dave

Roscoe Road looks exactly the same as your photo.

Grew up in Higher Irlam, though know Broadway well.

DAVE: 18th Dec 2006 - 18:34 GMT

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Hi Andy
Here is another old photo of the old C.W.S soap works

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 18th Dec 2006 - 23:49 GMT

Hi Dave,
Yes I lived on Farnham Drive ( off Broadway). Mum and dad had the end shop ( Brophys bakery)( I think we employed nearly everyone in Irlam over the years, and we sold the best bread, cakes and pies for miles around) and the second one in as a little grocers which we later sold to Peter the Pakistani which he turned into a clothing shop.
Whats your name? might remember you.
Nat x

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 13:28 GMT

I remember your Paul he used to try to set fire to the streets bonfire before the 5th November and pinch our wood (Ha Ha)I new your family lived on Farnham Drive.

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:00 GMT

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Hi Andy
Ive found some very old photos i think Natalie will remember this photo of the old car ferry the photo say it was taken around the 1900,s

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:14 GMT

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T1208. On the night of 16th March 1969 the Manchester Courage crashed into the gates of Irlam Lock at 23.05 hours. In the Port of Manchester Review of 1969 it mentions that there have been very few serious accidents but that '...this constituted the worst.'. The level of the Ship Canal dropped by thirteen feet, leaving local ferry crossings high and dry! Local Councillors from Irlam wanted the Ship Canal Company to provide a temporary bridge to replace the ferry service.

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:19 GMT

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T1082. Irlam Viaduct carried Railway Deviation Number 5 over the Manchester Ship Canal. Here we can see the Canal's construction under the Bridge. A line of wagons full of extracted material waits to be taken away. Various machines including a steam crane can be seen at work on adjacent tracks

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:26 GMT

The above has the date 1890
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T1131. This photograph illustrates the huge scale of the Manchester Ship Canal construction. Irlam locks were the third set of locks encountered by users of the Ship Canal. The locks can be seen on the left with the sluice gates on the right
Irlam locks from the south bank 5/5/1892

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:33 GMT

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T2533. The Irlam Steel Works was situated next to the Manchester Ship Canal for most of the Twentieth Century. This is a photograph of the wharf, Irlam Wharf, on the Ship Canal used by the steel works, it opened in 1933. The steel works finally closed down in 1975 and has become a regeneration area for smaller business units.
Lancashire Steel Works, Irlam Wharf, Under Construction 1932-4

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:39 GMT

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T1267. The construction of the Manchester Ship Canal meant the removal of several old crossings over the Mersey and Irwell Navigation. This old bridge at Irlam was one of the victims. A new high level viaduct was constructed to carry Railway Deviation No. 5 across the new Ship Canal. 7/8/1891

DAVE: 19th Dec 2006 - 17:43 GMT

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Irlam Ferry

T2214. The Manchester Ship Canal Company provided several ferry services to enable pedestrians and vehicles to cross the Canal. Originally known as M.S.C. No.1 Horse Ferry, Irlam Ferry was a cable hauled ferry, later this was replaced with a motor launch. 1956

DAVE: 22nd Dec 2006 - 19:06 GMT

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The wharf at Irlam handled the coal and ore used by the Lancashire Steel Corporation.

DAVE: 22nd Dec 2006 - 19:14 GMT

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With the construction of the Manchester Ship Canal, sections of the existing railway network had to be rebuilt. Lines which crossed the Canal had to be taken on higher level bridges. With changes to the line came the need for new stations such as this one under construction at Cadishead. Dated 27/02/1891

DAVE: 22nd Dec 2006 - 19:25 GMT

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The construction of the Manchester Ship Canal drew large numbers of sightseers, eager to see the vast works in progress. This photograph appears to show some inquisitive members of the public. Other more official visitors included engineers, ship owners and royalty.The building might be the old Boathoue Dated 20/06/1890

DAVE: 22nd Dec 2006 - 19:29 GMT

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Dont Know who the people are.But shows all the land at the side of the canal before the road(cadishead way)and house,s were built.

DAVE: 27th Dec 2006 - 19:49 GMT

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DAVE: 27th Dec 2006 - 20:32 GMT

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St Johns Church on Liverpool rd Irlam

DAVE: 27th Dec 2006 - 21:19 GMT

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Tar and other coal products and eventually some chemical wagons were moved from the Cadishead British Rail sidings by locomotives from the Manchester Ship Canal Company and the Sentinel was used to shunt wagons form the canal side sidings into the Tar Works. Here is a picture of the Sentinel taken when she was in service. She did not have a coal bunker so coal was carried in metal buckets on the foot plate

Paul: 3rd Jan 2007 - 21:45 GMT

My father and his family are all from Irlam. We emigrated to Canada in the 70's when I was a youngster but I have been back to Irlam numerous times since (most recently in 1996 I think). With all due respect Irlam of the 90's and more recently is a mere shell of its heyday in the 60's/70's and before then. Through family discussions, I gather that the Salford Overspill development did not help matters. Irlam's reliance on industries on the decline didn't help either. My last visit to Irlam in 1996 with my wife and daughter made my glad my family really did look grim.

I remember that train in the park, going to the Irlam Baths, going to a fair at the end of August (my birthday is in August). I remember Tesco being bulit in the 70's, which led to an overall degredation of stores in Irlam. My father grew up on Roscoe Road and it looked very similar to the photo on this web page. There was a newagents on the corner called Galliers that was operated by family friends of my grandparents.

Is there a web page where these old photos of Irlam are provided separately

Andrew Smith: 3rd Jan 2007 - 23:05 GMT

Excellent photo's & local history Dave, very interesting to see and read - thanks.

Paul - there is still a Newsagents at Galliers, not sure if it's run by the same people. Irlam is looking up a bit since your last visit. Lot's of new industry on the site of the Steelworks (now called 'Northbank'), lots of new houses (though not everyone thinks it's a good thing), and some new shops that are managing to stay open!

Dave: 4th Jan 2007 - 11:59 GMT

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Hi Paul the corner shop which was called Galliers is now an out door which is run and owned by Ann & Keith.I think they are related to the Galliers, i remember going in the shop many times when the Galliers owned it.

Paul: 4th Jan 2007 - 18:46 GMT


Thanks for the picture of Galliers. It looks just like I remember it. I remember going in there to pick up "The Pink" with all the football results. You mentioned it is now an "out door" run by Ann and Keith...what is an "out door". If there is a link to all of these interesting Irlam photos, please let me know (email =

In terms of stores closing etc, my grandmother was born in a house along Liverpool Road, where they knocked down the houses and built this awful internal shopping complex (with flats above it) on the north/west side of Liverpool Road, west/north of the C of E church etc. It was a rather scruffy place with the stores barely hanging on in the 80's. Then in the 90's, they knocked down the internal shopping complex to build houses again...ah the circle of life.

In terms of Galliers, I also remember a chemists along that row of shops, and also a place that sold car parts I think. There may have also been a betting shop along that row.

Great set of photos.


Dave: 4th Jan 2007 - 19:22 GMT

Hi Paul

An outdoor old saying sorry.Im mean an Off licence that sell,s alcohol and many other things.
The chemist is still there Parker,s and Co now .Parker used to live off Roscoe rd if you new the Galliers you would Know Parker i Think his first name was Chris.
The car parts was called Irlam Motor Spare,s first owned by Schofield Bro then sold to Dave who ran the shop.
The shop closed now and re-opened as place to buy horse food and sadles for horse,s but now closed down.

The house,s where your grand mother was born i think was house,s Knocked down for the old Maypole.I wish i had photo,s of the old Maypole Shopping Centre(if anyone does have a photo pls upload them)

Dave: I mean saddle for a horse sorry

Paul: 8th Jan 2007 - 19:10 GMT

Somehow, I don't think that the Maypole Shopping Centre will be winning any architectural awards. I seem to recall a newsagents of some sort in there.

My grandmother spent the last 5 or 6 years in an old people's home, Moorfield Place, near the Maypole Shopping Centre

Dave: 10th Jan 2007 - 20:21 GMT

Yeh paul there was a newsagents and TSB bank facing it also a chinese chippy that did very well in the maypole at the time.

Moorfeild Place which is now an old People,s home used to be owned by the local docter.

Also do you remember the VG store down ferry hill near the corner of Eldon Rd, Gibb,s Outdoor (off licence) was on the other corner ?

natalie brophy: 29th Jan 2007 - 00:27 GMT

hi natalie remember me ,,,amanda fouracre i used to live down the same drive as you in irlam ,my brother and i henry fouracre .we used to have a fox called vicky i now live down the same drive but in the middle just opposite your old house,, the jarvis's still live at number one..i remember your mum and dads bakery to but now its a mobile phone shop and a pet shop before that .your brother was paul i think and her fancied blondie...i though you had moved to australia,,,, remember me? xxx

amnda fouracre: 29th Jan 2007 - 01:12 GMT

do you remember julie anderson at number thiteen ,,and karen and marie cunningham that lived at number three,where you with us when the jarvis's went on holiday and we snooped around their house after finding there key out side in the back garden,,you might not have been there .do you remember debbie sharpe who lived on ferry hill and alison fletcher that live in the next street ..or karen ,,jackie and colin mcshane at no 24,ps our bonfire really was the biggest wasnt it!,,,chris and ian cullen's mum and dad eddie and shirly still live near the big hill..julia brady still lives in the same house but jim brady died of lung cancer several years ago,,i still see shibaun and peter and deborah brady but peter is very fat .my brother henry has been married twice now and has three kids,he bought no 27 where my mum collapsed and died in his kitchen,, but now he lives in rose avenue ,,my dad remarried five years ago to a thai woman and i have a six year old brother called jimmy who i have never met as he lives with my dad in thailand,,,i am 38 years old in april ..i own my own cattering van my boyfriend is a plasterer i have an 11 year old daughter called sheryl ...hope this brings back aa few mandy

Charles: 23rd Mar 2007 - 20:07 GMT

I love the photo of the old train ! ,used to play on it as a child ,now older and living in Denver ,Colorado USA Thanks for the memories!

Paul Ellington: 12th Jun 2007 - 13:33 GMT

Hello everyone - Some great photos of Irlam on this site. I am researching the history of the area opposite Irlam Locks (where Cadishead Way and a new housing development is). Does anyone know if this was the site of the steelworks, or was the steelworks located where the northbank business park? Thank you!

Andrew Smith: 14th Jun 2007 - 17:44 GMT

Paul - the area opposite Irlam Locks was a bit of green land between the canal and the 'old river' (the River Irwell old course - the Ship Canal swallowed the Irwell). I have always assumed it was from all the material that was deposited there from digging the locks - it was higher than the surrounding ground and was pretty much green scrubland.

People used to use it for walking dogs, messing around, etc.

There was a shoe factory for prisoners of war at the Fairhills Road end, and the land when I grew up in the '80's was known to us as "The Jezzies". I later found out this was short for "the Gerry Works" in reference to the German prisoners of war at the above factory.

On the ground below where the factory foundations still laid was Kwik Save supermarket.

As you know, the whole area has now been flattened for new houses.

The Steelworks was where Northbank is, bordered by the Canal, Liverpool Road and the two railway lines - the Liverpool to Manchester line nearest the locks and the other, long closed line which I think ran from Altrincham to Southport(before my time).

Paul Ellington: 15th Jun 2007 - 12:29 GMT

Andrew - Thanks for the info. A friend of mine who grew up on Roscoe Road in Irlam thinks (but isn't sure) that the site opposite irlam locks used to house a large soda factory at one time. Thanks again, Paul.

chris: 22nd Jun 2007 - 20:28 GMT

found your site by accident, brought back a lot of memories I used to live in Cadishead but went to Alfred Turner School in Irlam, is it still there? I live in Poole, Dorset now have done for the last 30+ years.

Russell Smith: 23rd Jun 2007 - 01:44 GMT

Hi Guys!! im stunned.i now live in Edinburgh after moving up in 1977 when i was 11 and its amazing to see these old pics......i lived In Oak Avenue with my mum ( barbara smith ) then lived on Victory Road with my Gran. I used to play on the banks of the Canal with my mates Alec Ratcliffe and alan cook and had many a great time. Not been down for a couple of years but even though im now an adopted scot i still call Cadishead home. Grandad used to work at the Steel Works and along with Gran were involved with the Slavation Army in Cadishead. WOW the memories !!!

Andrew Smith: 30th Jun 2007 - 01:29 GMT

Good stuff Russell,

Chris - Alfred Turner school became Irlam High School which became Irlam & Cadishead Community High School, but all the same place!

alison mills (nee jones): 30th Jun 2007 - 14:33 GMT

hi russell smith i was reading the website could not believe your name came up. i bet you remember us from victory road my e mail address is

Deborah Walker (nee Ormandy): 9th Jul 2007 - 20:33 GMT

Hi Andrew,

Wasn't Alfred Turner School once located on Allotment Road (I seem to think Cadishead Junior School site??), or did I just dream this bit of info up??

Andrew Smith: 9th Jul 2007 - 22:03 GMT

Hi Deborah

It might well have been located on Allotment Road and I trust your memory on this!

It was firmly Irlam High when I went in the 1980's so I have no personal memory of it's time as Alfred Turner I'm afraid.


Deborah Walker (nee Ormandy): 12th Jul 2007 - 20:49 GMT

Hi Andrew

I left in Irlam High School in 1980 - I seem to remember one of my uncles telling me about it in Allotment Road??

Anybody else throw some light on this??

Cyril Bagshaw: 13th Jul 2007 - 03:05 GMT

Hi Deborah
I attended Irlam Central School from 1936 until 1939.It was then mostly a wooden building situated on the appraoach to Irlam Station.It was later named Alfred Turner where our sons attended.The school had the Catholic School playgrounds on its north boundary and a farm on the west.The headmaster at that time was a Mr Dawson.

Paul Ellington: 13th Jul 2007 - 14:34 GMT

Deborah - Cadishead Primary is now on allottment road, I think this used to be a high school some time in the past. hope this helps.

Deborah Walker (nee Ormandy): 13th Jul 2007 - 23:56 GMT

Thanks everybody - I have been making a few enquiries of my own, the Uncle who told me about this school sadly passed away a few years ago.

I think the school on Allotment Road was used as a temporary basis, when the school had it's big fire. So that would make it early 70's, because when I went there, 1974/1975 there were the 'temporary' pre-fab which remained there for many many years

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 17th Jul 2007 - 01:26 GMT

Hi Guys.
The primary school on allotment road Cadishead was definately used as temp accommodation when the fire burned down the wooden section of Irlam high in summer of 1977.I remember the morning it was burning, and everyone happy because it meant there'd be no school. Didnt laugh a week later when we found ourselves trudging all the way up to cadishead everymorning !!!!

Sheila Hilton: 17th Jul 2007 - 18:08 GMT

The school on Allotment Road was Alfred Turner Lower School, where the first & second year pupils attended before moving up to the school on the station approach. My mother, Margaret Davies (nee Dakers) attended the school also when it was called The Central School, Most of my friends also attended when it was Alfred Turner. I attended the catholic School, St. Patricks, in Patricroft. I recognised the name of Cyril Bagshaw (posted in July ).Weren't you the Greengrocer near FerryHill?

cyril bagshaw: 18th Jul 2007 - 07:55 GMT

Hello Sheila
Almost spot on,we had the shops in Fiddlers lane from 1947 to our families journey to Adelaide in 1980.
I remember your mother very well and grandmother in Mond road.Is'nt it now a good example of our world village!!!

Sheila Hilton: 18th Jul 2007 - 09:00 GMT

Very nice to hear from you, Cyril. I do now remember that your shop was on Fiddlers Lane. I was confusing the shop with another greengrocer near to where Culshaw's shop was on the corner of Chapel Road. Didn't you also have a fruit & veg. delivery van?

Re Alfred Turner school on Allotment Rd.: We also used to refer to it as the Prospect Rd. school. There was a youth club 3 nights a week which we regularly attended, run by a Mr. James. It was commonly known as Pro Rd. youth club. A local group called The Swaggers used the club as a place to rehearse their music (which we loved at the time). Anybody remember this? It was in the 60's.

cyril bagshaw: 18th Jul 2007 - 09:55 GMT

Sure did Sheila,can't forget delivering Harewood road by the light of a cold and frosty moon!

cyril bagshaw: 21st Jul 2007 - 03:39 GMT

Hi Natalie,I was just reading your post going back to June 29 06 and the ferryman who powered that heavy boat across the canal with a single oar.I am pretty sure it would have been Roland (Rollie) Powell as he for many years held that job.He and his wife lived opposite us in Silverdale Ave when we first married in 1954.

Anne Jones: 23rd Jul 2007 - 08:09 GMT

Hi Sheila (waving!), and Hi to Russell Smith - I remember you and your sister Gail and your mum from when you lived in Oak Road - I grew up in Cadishead and we lived in Fir Street at the time and Gail and I would hang out on the bench at the top of Fir Street putting the world to rights.

Am loving these old photo's, even the not-so-old - I don't have any of my own so I hope people will keep posting them up here. I have lived in Worcs since 1984 and haven't been back 'home' for a couple of years now but I did get a shock when I saw the old Steel Works redevelopment - still undecided as to whether it was a pleasant shock or not though .....

Julie Hill: 27th Jul 2007 - 17:34 GMT

Found this site by accident. It's great. Russell Smith how the heck are you. You probably don't remember me but we went to Cadishead Infants and junior school together then you moved away.I no longer live in Cadishead but visit regularly.My mum has a lot to do with the local history society and has hundreds of photo's and facts coming out of her ears about the district if anyone is interested just post your message.

Sheila Hilton: 1st Aug 2007 - 12:26 GMT

Found this photo given to me by an elderly (now deceased) neighbour, some years ago. I doubt anybody will remember this house that stood where the current police station now stands. Apparently, it was the lodge house to Irlam Hall.image 22273

I don't remember it but I do remember the cobblestones that paved the road leading to the park.

Roy Bamber: 3rd Aug 2007 - 21:20 GMT

Does anybody remember the day that the Manchester Ship Canal burst into flames trapping a rowing boat that was ferrying passengers across the canal? One on the passengers who was badly burned but survived lived on the estate near Silver Street, Irlam and his name was Stephen. I can remember Stephen as a young man who must have suffered terribly. I believe the ferry was called Bobs Ferry and the incident happened close to the Cadishead tar works. I find it difficult to put an actual date on this fateful day but I recall it was in the 1970s. It was a really awful tragedy and I cannot remember if anybody was prosecuted for spilling fuel into the canal. If you know more than I know I would love to read your story.
All the best
Roy Bamber

Cyril Bagshaw: 4th Aug 2007 - 06:24 GMT

The picture is the Saints vesus Bradford Bulls match that I though was pretty good

Dear Cyril and Helen,
This is the first time I have seen this web address and I found the contents incredibly interesting. When I spotted the name Cyril Bagshaw memories came flooding back as I can still recall those delicious rotisserie chickens cooking on the Fiddlers Lane shop forecourt. The Fiddlers Lane shops are still there but nowadays the huge supermarkets supply most of our needs. There is an Irlam/Cadishead bypass that has improved the old town tremendously by removing the heavy congested traffic and Irlam has regained its village like status. St John Church is as vibrant as ever and stands like a beacon for all who visit Irlam to see. The Irlam and Cadishead Moss have changed out of recognition and grass for football pitches and golf courses grows where cabbages and carrots grew. Only a small part of the moss shows an interest in growing vegetables and many farms are now surrounded by horses. A million ferocious midges live on Irlam Moss and they are so hungry they could eat a man and his dog in minutes, and not even leave any bones. (Laughing out Loud). It’s nice to know you are keeping well and please give our regards to Helen. I am very impressed to discover you are computer literate.
All the best
Roy Bamber

Bobs Ferry Accident: 6th Aug 2007 - 16:43 GMT

We had walked on Cadishead Moss in the morning on Jean Dodd’s health walk with possibly 60 inspired walkers. When the walk had ended I had a chat with Mrs Heap the ‘Irlam Historians’ wife, and I asked the best way to research the catastrophe that happened at Bob’s ferry, and I appreciated Mrs Heap’s assistance. I remembered the terrible accident but I could use the newspapers archives as I didn’t know the date of the accident, but I was then armed with sufficient information and with the guidance of the Irlam Libraries librarian the search commenced. After several blind alleys the library computer recognised snippets of information and as they say in show business, the rest is history. The Irlam Libraries librarian and ladies were incredibly helpful. The search was a struggle but I got there in the end, but I would like to say thank you to the Irlam librarian.
All the best
Roy Bamber
On Tuesday April 14th 1970 Partington hit the headlines with a disaster that resulted in the death of five local men.

On that spring day, early morning workers were making their way over Bob’s Ferry to start their day’s work at Cadishead and Irlam. The ferry had been carrying workers over the Manchester Ship Canal for almost a hundred years, on a short trip that took only a few minutes, from Lock Lane, near Our Lady of Lourdes School, to Bob’s Lane, Cadishead. Taking ten passengers at a time it was estimated that the 20-foot open boat powered by an outboard motor carried 35,000 passengers, at ten pence each, each year. The Ferryman’s day started early at 5.30am, in order to get the early shift workers over the water and continued until 11.00pm with trips every 15 minutes. This particular morning Ferryman, Bernard Carroll aged 27 of Lock Lane, was worried for, during the first couple of crossings, he had noticed an unpleasant and unusual smell. Several of his passengers had complained of feeling unwell during the short trip, so Bernard decided to suspend the service until he had sought further advice. As he was phoning the police, several passengers, waiting on the jetty, were worried that they would be late for work and decided to row themselves over the canal. On his return Bernard could see the boat in the middle of the canal with the passengers obviously affected by the 4-foot high mist on the water. Without hesitation, he jumped into another boat and started to row towards the drifting boat. Eyewitnesses later told police that when Bernard was about 20 yards from the other boat the canal exploded into a sea of flames and both boats were engulfed in fire, this was followed by a series of explosions which shook houses a quarter of a mile away. About a one mile length of the canal became a river of fire 60 feet high and nearby houses in Lock Lane had to be evacuated. Nothing could be done until the flames had died down, then both boats were brought to the bank. The Ferryman had died and five people in the other boat were badly burned. The injured were taken to Hope Hospital and some were later moved to the Burns Unit at Withington Hospital. Some time later it was discovered that three other passengers from the boat were missing, having either jumped or fallen into the canal. The canal was too polluted for police frogmen to be used and too deep to be dragged and it wasn’t until two weeks later that the bodies of the missing passengers were found. The whole of Partington was stunned by the disaster, which had devastated the lives of nine local families. The Northwest Forensic Laboratory tested samples from the water and teams of men patrolled the canal banks in an effort to discover the cause of the fire. The inquest was to be delayed until the mystery had been solved. Due to the closure of the ferry service local workers were faced with an eight-mile detour to reach Cadishead. On April 30th one of the injured passengers died in Withington Hospital and a fund was set up to help dependants to which Bucklow Council, the Manchester Ship Canal Company and local people donated a total of £2,300. Residents were nervous and the Fire Brigade was called out a number of times when mysterious smells came from the canal. On May 21st Shell Chemicals announced they had carried out an internal enquiry as a result of which two workers had been suspended from duty. On June 26th the inquest took place at Eccles where coroner, Mr. Leonard Gorodkin, heard the evidence. It was revealed that several hours before the disaster the Dutch owned vessel Tacoma was being loaded with 1800 tons of petrol at Partington Coaling Basin. It was normal practice to have two men observing the operation to ensure that petrol did not overflow into the canal. The two men, both from Partington, admitted that instead of being on the quayside, they had gone to the canteen and had been there from 2.00am until almost 6.00am drinking coffee and talking. During this period it was estimated that about 14,000 gallons of petrol had flowed into the canal. The Coroner stated, “We will never know just what caused the petrol to ignite and this is a most horrifying story”. He continued, “As a result of this inquest I hope people will realise that safety regulations are not just bits of paper”. A verdict of death by misadventure was recorded on the five who died in the accident, Albert Wimbleton aged 56 of Yew Walk, Brian Hillier aged 18 of Wood Lane, Roy Platt 29 of Daniel Adamson Avenue, Alan Cliff aged 17 of Birch Road and the Ferryman Bernard Carroll aged 27 of Lock Lane, all of Partington. The following were injured, Daniel MacAlister of Wood Lane, George Morrell of Lime Walk, Robert Kilgour of Camomile Walk and Stephen Hunter of Wood Lane. There was a suggestion that the fire started when one of the ferry passengers lit a cigarette. But this was never proved. The ferry re-opened some weeks after the fire but business declined, as many passengers were afraid of another disaster taking place. Jim and Dorothy Fogarty ran the service, but passenger numbers continued to fall and eventually the service was closed. Now the scene of the Partington disaster is deserted and covered in high weeds.
Researched and written by Duncan Hamman

February 6, 1958 United players killed in air disaster: 8th Aug 2007 - 19:45 GMT

The Munich air disaster took place on February 6, 1958, when the British European Airways Flight 609 crashed on its third attempt to take off from a slush-covered runway at the Munich-Riem airport in Germany. On board the plane was the Manchester United football team, nicknamed the Busby Babes, along with a number of supporters and journalists.
All the best
Roy Bamber

Seven Manchester United footballers are among 21 dead after an air crash in Munich. The British European Airways (BEA) plane caught fire shortly after take off this afternoon with 38 passengers and six crew on board. The footballing world is reeling from the loss of some of its most talented young players - known as the Busby Babes. Their average age was 24 and they included Roger Byrne - the captain - Mark Jones, Eddie Colman, Tommy Taylor, Liam Whelan, David Pegg and Geoff Bent. Eight British sports journalists and several club officials have also been killed. The Queen has said she is "deeply shocked" and has sent a message of condolence to the Lord Mayor of Manchester and Minister of Transport and Civil Aviation. The chartered aircraft was bringing the Manchester United entourage back from a European Cup match against Red Star Belgrade in Yugoslavia and had stopped at Munich's Riem Airport to refuel. On the third attempt to take off the plane over-shot the runway, hit a house with its port wing, veered to the right, hit another building and burst into flames. The fuselage did not catch fire and several crew and passengers went back into the wreckage to rescue the injured. Team manager Matt Busby was described as being the most seriously hurt and is being given blood transfusions in hospital. Star striker Bobby Charlton has been treated for slight head injuries. According to the Chief Executive of BEA, A. H. Milward, there was a heavy snowstorm in Munich and the pilot delayed departure because he was dissatisfied with one of the plane's engines. This was the first fatal accident for this type of BEA aeroplane, which has carried 2,340,000 passengers on 86,000 flights since it began service in 1952. The same plane - called Lord Burghley - took the Manchester United entourage out to Belgrade on Monday. Messages of sympathy poured in from around the world and clubs across the UK and Europe held two minutes silence at the games on the Saturday following the accident. Red Star Belgrade, the team the Manchester United side had beaten before the crash, suggested they be made honorary champions in the 1958 European Cup. Another player, Duncan Edwards, died in hospital 15 days later. Manchester United battled to complete the season and reached the 1958 FA Cup final - where they were beaten by Bolton Wanderers. A decade later Manchester United became the first English club to win the European Cup. An investigation into the crash initially suggested pilot error, saying Captain James Thain had taken off without de-icing the wings. He was later cleared when it was found that the build-up of slush on the runway had prevented the plane taking-off. New safety limits were subsequently introduced.

Les Birchall: 8th Oct 2007 - 20:59 GMT

Hello Roy Bamber. Your name certainly rang a bell. I lived in Lyndhurst Ave from 1947 onwards and attended Irlam Council School 1951-58. Friends at the time were Martin Sproston, Malcolm Royle, Paul Hawkes and many more local kids. I remember Bagshaws grocery and the trips to the pantomimes in Manchester that Mrs. Bagshaw organised at Christmas. My father was born in one of the small terraced cottages on Cutnook Lane near the junction with Silver Street. Irlam was a lot different in those days. My mother worked in the council offices (long since demolished) adjacent to the Central School and told me that at one particular time there was not one single person unemployed or owing council rent in the Irlam/Cadishead area. There were so many industries you could not fail to get a job. I don't think there is one of those original workplaces left standing. How times have changed!

cyril bagshaw: 9th Oct 2007 - 06:06 GMT

Hello Les, As the ex greengrocer in Fiddlers lane that you remembered, I was very interested to hear that your mother had worked in the council offices opposite the old Palace cinema.My wife Ellen (Jaques)as she was, also worked there in Mr Jones accounts in !947 possibly about the same time as your Mum.She also agrees that there was nobody owing rent in Irlam, in fact many of of the tenants were in advance with their rents.

Stephen Weir: 15th Oct 2007 - 15:34 GMT

I remember a "Brian" running a green grocers we called "Bagshaws", I rember running errands ther for my Mum, we lived on Ferndown Drive. I was really young but didn't allow Brian to slip me anything not up to mums standars...any relation to Cyril ?

Helen Salmon: 17th Oct 2007 - 12:23 GMT

Hi there, just found this website (Hi Auntie Sheila and Auntie Anne!)
I'm really interested in the pictures on here. A lot of them I don't remember as I was only born in 1976. I definitely remember the train in Princes Park though, I used to play in that regularly! (It smelt awful though!)
I went to school on Cutnook Lane (St Joseph's) and I used to live on Fiddlers Lane (up near the Moss) so I remember those well.
We moved from Irlam to Morecambe in 1984 as my dad worked at Carrington Power Station and it was being decommissioned so he needed to find work elsewhere. I still get down as often as possible due to family still living there but not as much as I'd like to.

Helen xxx

Andrew Smith: 17th Oct 2007 - 19:28 GMT

Hello Helen

Did you go to Fiddlers Lane primary before leaving Irlam? If so I would have been a couple of years above you and my brother (Matthew) would have been in the same year as you.

We lived in the flats at the back of the school (St Clements Court) where my Mum was warden.

Andrew Smith: 17th Oct 2007 - 23:41 GMT

Sorry Helen - just noticed you went to St Joseph's. Should concentrate more when I'm reading!

cyril bagshaw: 18th Oct 2007 - 06:02 GMT

Hi Stephen
Congratulations on your selective shopping, and you are quite right, I have two sons, John and Brian, who at that time were very busy in the business.

Bob Salmon: 22nd Oct 2007 - 00:02 GMT

Re the Bobs Ferry Accident:

As remembered by Bob Salmon, an Inquest Witness.

On the morning in question, I was awoken by a neighbour in Lytherton Avenue Cadishead, saying that she thought there was a gas leak in her house.
On investigation, (half asleep), I could not find any trace of a gas leak but could smell something, so I decided to telephone the gas board from the phone box at the Coach & Horses pub.

The gas board said they would send someone to investigate. The gas board also called the Police so that they could take charge of any emergency.

As I was on my way back from the phone I was awake enough to realise that there was an unusual smell in the air generally.

A short while after I was sat in the house with my mother, and having a hot drink, when we heard a loud explosion, and then out of the back window we could see flames, (at least one hundred feet high), travelling from what appeared to be Lancashire Tar Distillers towards some tanks, (we understood that these tanks had highly inflammable contents), on a field at the end of Lytherton Avenue. As there had been numerous fires in my lifetime at Lancashire Tar Distillers and British Tar Distillers, our first reaction was to wake all the neighbours so that we could evacuate the street. Partway through waking the neighbours it was noticed that the flames had gone past the tanks and was dying down a bit.

Shortly after, I walked down to Bobs Lane Ferry and saw a badly charred ferryboat with a tarpaulin sheet concealing something in the bottom of the boat.

Later in the day the police asked me to make a statement as to what I had done and that I may be requested to attend an inquest.

My memory may or may not be faulty, but this is what I remember from all those years ago.

At the inquest I was one of the first to give evidence, (see above).

After I had finished, the police gave evidence stating that:
they were called into the area by the gas board because there may be a gas leak. As they were approaching Cadishead Railway Bridge from Irlam, they could smell something in the air and it was getting stronger. They turned down by the side of the George Hotel and had a look down Alabama,(common name for the area behind the hotel as far as the Ship Canal), the canal had a very suspicious and very strong smell.

They next drove down Bobs Lane, (how they made it I do nor know), to the ferry. I think they had the intentions of stopping the ferry.

They were actually stood at the top of the ferry steps when the canal caught fire and I think they said that there was a haze on the water and a very, very strong smell; they were watching the ferry boat when someone threw something in the water, (or what passed for water, it was so polluted), there then followed a huge explosion.

Later at the inquest, the ships Captain and First Mate were questioned and they admitted that they were responsible.

It was said that they were loading their ship with Benzene; they connected the hose and started to pump benzene into the ships tanks. They then went somewhere for a short time. When they returned they found that the hose was not fitted correctly and was putting benzene over the stern of the ship, which then ran into the canal. They stopped pumping and fixed the hose connection. After they had started to pump again they hosed down the aft end of the ship putting all the spillage into the canal. Next they started the ships engines and made the propeller turn, washing the spillage downstream towards the ferry.

The rest is history.

Ps to Cyril Bagshaw, Catherine Salmon nee Davies says HI, also to Sheila and Anne her sisters.

Stephen Weir: 31st Oct 2007 - 12:38 GMT

I have many happy memories of shopping at your shop....I was treated as royalty at my "tender"age....I am sure everyone in the shop had a good laugh at my expense, wish shopping was so pleasurable.....besides mum gave me sixpence for my efforts! Wishing you & yours well.

Bob Salmon: 31st Oct 2007 - 16:30 GMT

Does anybody know anything about Royle's Engineering LTD Irlam, when was it started, by whom, when and where they were born. My wife Catherine is curious as to whether she is related to them. She has ancestors called Royle and they lived in Flixton, Urmston and Irlam, the earliest we can trace goes back to the 1600s.

Her grandfather, (not a Royle), also worked there for about 10 years or so.

John Cooper - 1st Nov 2007 - 01:25 GMT

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My grandfather worked there too for most of his life until the late 40's/early 50's. He was Arthur Davies and lived in Fir Street.


Helen Salmon: 1st Nov 2007 - 22:53 GMT

Hi John,

My grandparents James and Margaret Davies lived on Fir Street until my granddad died in 1989. James's father John Davies worked at Royles.
my grandma's maternal ancestors were the Royles mentioned by Bob Salmon (my dad)

Our Davies's came to Irlam from Wigan in the 1920's or 30's.

Best Wishes,

cyril bagshaw: 5th Nov 2007 - 04:41 GMT

Many thanks for your good wishes,we still look at the photos of the old shop and remember the enjoyment we had in serving our customers there.The 12000 miles between here and Fiddlers lane is
forgotten when we open the album.
Our very best wishes to you and yours......Cyril

my misgivings: 9th Nov 2007 - 14:47 GMT

NORTH Wales’ Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom is calling for the legalisation and regulation of all drugs – and next week will ask North Wales Police Authority to back him. The region’s top cop reckons existing drug laws are “not fit for purpose”. “In a nutshell, I’m advocating the repeal of the Misuse of Drugs Act and the consequent legalisation and regulation of all drugs,” says Mr Brunstrom, who describes drugs prohibition as “unworkable and immoral”. “Central to existing UK drugs policy is the ABC classification system. It is now indefensible both legally and ethically. “It is arbitrary and subject to politically motivated manipulation. It is a disgrace.” The Chief Constable has set out his arguments in a detailed report which will go before the Police Authority on Monday. He hopes his document will be adopted as the North Wales response to Government and Assembly Government consultations about future drugs laws in the UK. Mr Brunstrom says: “UK drug policy for the last several decades has been based upon prohibition, with a list of banned substances placed into three classes – the ABC system – and draconian criminal penalties for the possession or supply of controlled drugs. “This system has not worked well. Illegal drugs are now in plentiful supply, and have become consistently cheaper in real terms over the years. The number of users has increased dramatically. “Drug related crime has soared equally dramatically as a direct consequence of the illegality of some drugs, and the huge profits from illegal trading have supported a massive rise in organised criminality.” Mr Brunstrom wants the Authority to back him in calling for a change in the Misuse of Drugs Act to the Misuse of Substances Act which would include alcohol and nicotine. He also calls for the Authority to affiliate to the charity Transform Drug Policy Foundation, which campaigns for the repeal of prohibition to be replaced with a legal system of regulation and control. Yesterday the charity praised Mr Brunstrom for his “great leadership” and warns “those that denounce him should be wary of relying on what Mr Brunstrom calls ‘moralistic dogma’.” Danny Kushlick, Transform Director said: “We are absolutely delighted at Mr Brunstrom’s paper. The Chief Constable has displayed great leadership and imagination in very publicly calling for a drug policy that replaces the evident failings of prohibition with a legal system of regulation and control for potentially dangerous drugs.” The current system for classifying harmful drugs “illogically excludes” both alcohol and nicotine says Mr Brunstrom. In fact while alcohol and tobacco cost the NHS £1.6bn each annually, illegal drugs cost the NHS £0.8bn. Drugs will not go away and if they cannot be eradicated the principal object of public policy has to be reducing as far as possible the harm they can do. Despite his criticisms about the drugs law, Mr Brunstrom promises “as a police officer I will continue to enforce it to the best of my ability, despite my misgivings about its moral and practical worth.”

sisters birthday: 9th Nov 2007 - 18:55 GMT

Eric and Maxine were married on the 11th May 1959 and Eric Broome had lived at 86, Silver Street, Irlam. Eric worked at the Irlam Council Offices as a clerk before moving to a Manchester City Centre solicitors office. Eric and Maxine dined at the Boysnope Restaurant Wednesday 31st October 2007 to celebrate his sisters birthday.

JOEY TPA The Public Animals: 9th Nov 2007 - 18:57 GMT

Man, I LOVE the industrial dad was born in England... seems to strike a chord in me..

Paul: 13th Nov 2007 - 02:24 GMT

Bob Salmon,

My father (Barry Robinson) had relatives with the surname Royle in Irlam. One of them (probably born about 1905) was called Winnie(fred) Royle. She was quite a character.

Are you hoping in some way that you are related to Jim Royle, layabout extradorinaire

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 15th Nov 2007 - 05:00 GMT

I went to Irlam High school with a boy in my class called Stephen Royle.........any relative?

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 15th Nov 2007 - 05:01 GMT

Have the CWS soap works near the canal all gone? and been built on my thos atrocious brick housing blocks?

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): : 15th Nov 2007 - 14:34 GMT

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 15th Nov 2007 - 05:01 GMT
Have the CWS soap works near the canal all gone? and been built on my thos atrocious brick housing blocks? atrocious brick housing blocks?

Paul R Taylor : 16th Nov 2007 - 07:42 GMT

In its heyday Liverpool was the richest city in the world and was the gateway to Europe, Asia, Australia, south America, north America and the world. The River Mersey, the Irish Sea and Atlantic Ocean made Liverpool a eminent and influential seaport which brought riches and wealth. Liverpool and the north west of England prospered , but unfortunately the rich got richer and the poor got poorer as the wealth was unjustly distributed. Below is an article about the River Mersey written by Paul R Taylor that I thought was worth reading.
Mersey has cleaned up its act
Paul R Taylor

The River Mersey was once so polluted that a canoeist has told how he was accompanied on his first trip by a floating cow's head. It had probably been thrown in from an abattoir, and was a good example of the sort of debris with which the historic waterway was then cluttered. But it has vastly improved since that disturbing journey 15 years ago, says Chris Cleaver, regional access officer from Canoe England. He gives a personal insight into his life on the river as part of a stunning new touring exhibition and book retelling the story of the historic waterway. `Mersey: The River That Changed The World' covers its 70-mile meandering course from its source in central Stockport to the Irish Sea at Liverpool, from ancient times to the present day. Chris recalls how he fell into the river after his first unnerving experience and was sick next day. "The Mersey's got a bad reputation because of past pollution," he says. "But it's noticeably cleaner now, and the riverside environment has improved, too." The exhibition and book chart the river's history from Roman occupation to the Anglo- Saxons, from the slave trade to the Industrial Revolution, from urbanisation to regeneration. Major contributors to the project, commissioned by the Mersey Basin Campaign, include the late Anthony Wilson, Guardian journalists David Ward and Deborah Mulhearn, the New Scientist's Edwin Collier and conservation specialist Peter De Figueiredo. There are also personal experiences from boat enthusiasts, waterway workers and preservationists. Their recollections and observations are accompanied by scores of photos by Colin McPherson, who has also produced portraits of people who live and work on or near the Mersey. Mr Wilson says: "Every phase of my life has been touched, sprinkled religiously perhaps, by the waters of the River Mersey." Mr De Figueiredo provides a historical account, while Mr Ward journeys along its banks from source to sea. Publican Dave Hall, who runs Jackson's Boat in Sale, also gives an individualistic account. The exhibition is launched on Thursday December 6 in the Grand Hall at the Albert Dock, before coming to Sale Waterside, Manchester Museum of Science and Industry and Stockport Art Gallery. The book, published by Bluecoat Press, is available from this month at £17.99.

Helen: 17th Nov 2007 - 10:40 GMT

I left Eldon Road when I went to University and I found the studies and way of life difficult. Life changed when I found a boyfriend and I found the social life lively. I occasionally visit Irlam to see friends but the old town has lost its razzmatazz.

Stephen: 17th Nov 2007 - 10:56 GMT

Just thinking about razzmatazz, if you think Irlam has changed stand outside the Nags Head on a Saturday night and watch the hooligans being disruptive in and around Sparrow Park.

Stephen: 17th Nov 2007 - 15:50 GMT

I called in the Nags Head when I was in Irlam and I had a pint of best bitter and it was very nice and I had the buffet lunch and it was nice. The Nags head reputation continues but the pub nowadays is nice. The hostility outside the Nags Head is the local yobbos in a power struggle and not the pubs drinkers, I am told.

Stephen: 17th Nov 2007 - 20:10 GMT

I have listened to disturbances outside the library, outside the post office, outside the Nags Head and around Sparrow Park and I feel sorry for the landlord and the pub customers and the residents who have to tolerate the inconvenience. I believe we accept the louts and ruffians that come out after then sun has gone down as part of our lives, whereas the alternative is to stand up to them face to face.

Bob Salmon: 24th Nov 2007 - 10:44 GMT

Re: Royle’s Engineering.

Our intention is only to trace our ancestors to find out who they were and where possible, what they did, warts and all.
If Jim Royle, layabout extraordinaire, (whoever he is), is a member of the family, then he is a member of the family. If he is not, then that is one less skeleton in the closet.
The Royle branch of my wife’s family has lived in the area of Flixton and Irlam for centuries. So there is a good chance of a link to anyone in the area called Royle.

Remember, you can chose your friends, but your relatives are inherited as a package and there is nothing you can do about it.

If you want to trace your ancestry, now is a good time to do it, as there are people still alive that can link today to the published censuses. In the last 100 years many people moved house over large distances, this makes them difficult to trace. The 100 years before that, most people did not move very far, perhaps 20 or 30 miles at the most. Before that most people would only move a village or two.
There are exceptions to this, so before anyone starts to prove me wrong, I did say “most”. There again most families have someone that moved a large distance, e.g. if they were in the army or navy, or criminals could evade the law by going to the other end of the country.


Andrew Smith: 28th Nov 2007 - 15:40 GMT

Shops in Irlam that no longer exist, but will stay part of my memory of growing up in the 80's.

On Fiddlers Lane - Joyce's Fabrics, Bambers newsagents, King's sweetshop, Bates's hardware store, plus the Greengrocers Cyril!

Opposite 'The Sports' (The White Lion) - Hanbury's supermarket, Bonus, the Blue Dolphin chippy.

All the shops on the Precinct.

Either side of the Catholic Club - a pet shop to the left and Marshall's trophy/sports shop to the right. Another newagents across the road where we used to get 'germaline bubblies' at dinner time from school.

Near The Ship - Impact Sports and a record shop - neither were there for long. Near Lees chippy opposite the Margarine Works - a computer games shop - didn't last long.

My Gran can name every shop in the village she grew up in, none of which are there anymore.

John: 30th Nov 2007 - 11:22 GMT

I remember 'the locks' in the late eighties when it was often used as an excuse for teenage, relatively harmless turf war. I remember one night air-gun pellets whizzing past my ears from the Irlam side of the locks and spied over to the other embankment to see a small division of kids in shellsuits.

anon ( 1st Dec 2007 - 17:45 GMT

What a waste of money that so called piece of artwork is on the cadishead/Hollins Green roundabout.£75,000 that cost.I am sure they could have spent the money better on improving Irlam and Cadishead and why did they move the train off princess park? They said it would be scrapped if Birse would have not stepped in and restored it to its former glory.All they did was paint it and use it to advertise their company.The train has many happy childhood memories and thats how it should be, put the train back where it belongs !!!!!

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 4th Dec 2007 - 02:37 GMT

I agree that the train has many happy memories as a child, but was also often used a a urinal and a place for a grope, not my idea of somewhere for young ones to play.

anon ( 4th Dec 2007 - 16:37 GMT

Take your point, but before they moved it it had wrought iron railings put around it.Even then the kids liked to see it when they visited the park....

Rob Tynan: 5th Dec 2007 - 00:52 GMT

Piece of "artwork" looks like an upturned giant shuttle cock!! Talk about the emporers new clothes. Who paid for it, does anyone know?

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 6th Dec 2007 - 01:56 GMT

Whats the giant shuttlecock? Im in Melbourne, so Im not sure what it is !!!
Where have they put the train?

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 6th Dec 2007 - 02:02 GMT

Is the bowls green and the old tennis court still in between the park and the baths? I remember paying the attendant money back in early seventies for my grandparents to have a bowl, us kids were never allowed !!! When I went back in 2003, the tennis court was falling down, graffitied and the paddling pool and sandpit were gone. I loved it as a kid in summer when the parkie would fill the wading pool and every mum and her pram would come and have picnics on the lawns whilst their kiddies splashed about.

Andrew Smith: 6th Dec 2007 - 11:16 GMT

Natalie - the bowling green is still there, though now fenced off to prevent it being used as a football pitch. The tennis courts have been refurbished, though you now have to pay to use them - I haven't actually seen anybody using them.

The remains of the old paddling pool are still there, though hasn't been in use since the 80's. The swings area of the park has been re-done too.

Rob Tynan: 6th Dec 2007 - 21:39 GMT

Natalie, The giant shuttlecock is a "piece of art" they have put in the centre of the new roundabout at the Hollins Green end of Cadishead where the new by pass starts.

Rob Tynan: 6th Dec 2007 - 21:44 GMT

Natalie, They have put the train just past the new bridge which cuts underneath the old partington coal basin line - on the new by pass.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 8th Dec 2007 - 08:03 GMT

Thanks guys, how about a few pics ? :) :) Of anything in irlam.
Is the large bus shelter at the top of Ferryhill road diagonal from *Culshaws* still there? What about the vicarage behind st Johns? Does anyone remember the old bandstand near the fire station end of the old river? (Near where they put the strip of concrete in the late 70s for the skateboarders?)

Andrew Smith: 8th Dec 2007 - 13:03 GMT


The large brick bus shelter was knocked down a few years ago - they are all plastic vandal-proof bus stops now.

The vicarage and band stand are still there. I'll take more pictures if it ever stops raining!

iman: nice shots

Andrew Smith: 11th Dec 2007 - 12:12 GMT


As you mentioned it, here's a picture of the vicarage, taken from Springfield Lane.

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Andrew Smith: 11th Dec 2007 - 12:27 GMT

...and some more taken this morning. Not the best, but they include most of the things you mentioned!

Vicarage Road

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Two Churches, Liverpool Road.

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The Band Stand

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The old skateboard ramp, which we used to ride our bikes down and disappear in a heap at the bottom.

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The remains of the old paddling pool, last paddled in by me in the late 1970's

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The new skate park, at the back of the baths.

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The fire station.

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The war memorial.

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Bowling green.

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Lady James Hall

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The refurbished tennis courts, now with officially sanctioned graffiti. Last played on by me in about 1990 when it was all broken glass, moss and we had to tie a piece of string across for a net.

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I've always wondered why this house is on the park?

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Higbury Avenue on bin day

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Looking up the top of Broadway to Liverpool Road.

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Robert Patten: Those pictures are great!

Andrew Smith: 12th Dec 2007 - 20:20 GMT

One more - St Teresa's/Astley Road from The White Horse car park

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Rob Tynan: 13th Dec 2007 - 21:50 GMT


The house on the park was built as the park keepers house

Andrew Smith: Thanks Rob (& Robert).

Rob Tynan: 17th Dec 2007 - 14:48 GMT

The original bandstand, I think, used to be where the bottom of the old skateboard ramp exists today

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 18th Dec 2007 - 00:49 GMT

THANKYOU SO MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So much has changed. Yes Rob, the old bandstand was at the bottom of where the old skateboard ramp is.
Does anyone know whether the ivy covered *park keepers house* is occupied by anyone? From memory there used to be a garden nursery just behind it where you could buy plants and gardening bits and bobs. I noticed they have demolished the last remaining part of the original Endowed school and built a new section in its place.I guess thats progress.
Thanks for the pics Andrew, it looks freezing over there. ( 37`c here today !!!) :)

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 18th Dec 2007 - 00:51 GMT

Stephen, you mentioned Sparrow Park, what and where is Sparrow park? I have never heard of it.

Andrew Smith: 18th Dec 2007 - 11:12 GMT

No problem Natalie

Yes - the old hall at Endowed has now gone - it looks a good modern school, though.

The house on the park is lived in, not sure by who...

It has been very cold here for a couple of weeks now!


Rob Tynan: 18th Dec 2007 - 22:27 GMT

Natalie Waterworth

My great grandfather John Tynan, ran School Farm which was on the corner of Springfield Lane,opposite the endowed school. It was demolished approx. 1918??. He also used to drive the coach for George Thomas of Irlam Hall, which was situated on Princes Park. The nursery you mention in Princes Park was the Greenhouses/vegetable garden for Irlam Hall. Irlam Hall was demolished in 1956 due to lack of maintenance.

Not sure about Sparrow Park though


Alison : 19th Dec 2007 - 14:05 GMT

To Andrew Smith
I remember all those shops and i went to Fiddlers lane school, i even went in the outside pool behind the baths didnt like going in the deep end cos mum said there could be glass in it (deep end ha ha)

Andrew Smith: 19th Dec 2007 - 15:45 GMT

Alison - I was at Fiddlers Lane in the early 80's. I think my Mum was worried about glass too!

Deb Walker (nee Ormandy): 19th Dec 2007 - 22:02 GMT

Alison & Andrew

I think all mum's used to worry about glass in the pool!! but it used to be so busy and a really nice place to be especially when the sun was shining and I am sure it used to shine alot more than it does these days - either that or that's my rose-coloured spectacles out again!!

Alison : 21st Dec 2007 - 11:54 GMT

Its funny how you remember things when reminded i used to live on Malborough Rd and ive past there recently and its so different Bates diy shop has now got houses. and we used to go to the football field and go on days out from a club there cant remember what is was called now. Going back even further when my mum was a baby she used to live with my grandma where irlam library is it used to be 4 cottages called Hurst Fold, but i cant find any pictures of it.

Rob Tynan: 22nd Dec 2007 - 00:06 GMT


There is a book published by CHALFORD called The Archive Photographs Series Irlam and Cadishead compiled by Marion Beeston and Irlam and Cadishead Local History Society, which on page 67 shows Thomas Hurst Grocers Hurst Fold, which is now Higher Irlam Post Office.

I have seen a photo somewhere of Hurst Fold and the cottages. Try and contact Irlam and Cadishead History Society, I bet they will help.

Sheila Hilton: 26th Dec 2007 - 11:05 GMT

Have been reading the various comments - one concerning Irlam Hall. An elderly (now deceased) neighbour of mine - Bert Whitehead - was a local photographer for many years. Some readers will probably have known him. He gave me a photograimage 25120

ph of Irlam Hall which I have never seen in any other publication on Irlam & Cadishead and thought others may be interested to see it. Previously on this site I published a photo of the lodge house belonging to Irlam Hall, hoping somebody would be able to provide more info. eg. who lived there etc.

Andrew Smith: 26th Dec 2007 - 12:05 GMT

Thanks for the photo Sheila. I remember our Geography teacher saying that the knocking down of the hall was a bad thing for Irlam.

Hope someone can provide some info. on the lodge house.

Norma (nee Bolton): 28th Dec 2007 - 02:19 GMT

Hi guys, just been sent this site from a mate of mine in Irlam. I too live in Melbourne (hi Natalie, I was at school with your brother Paul). Russell Smith, I remember you living 'across the green' from us on Victory Road, Cadishead. My Mum still lives there. What a great site, brought back so many memories... thanks guys.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 28th Dec 2007 - 07:15 GMT

What a great pic sheila, was the hall near where the baths now stand?
What a shame they had to knock it down !!!

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 28th Dec 2007 - 07:16 GMT

Hi Norma, I will ask paul if he remembers you. Where in melbourne are you? hot weather here at the minute hey? Paul lives in NSW on the central coast, I will say hi.

Norma (nee Bolton): 28th Dec 2007 - 12:20 GMT

Hi Natalie, I live in East Melb in Yarra Valley (40k from City). Paul sent me a message on the 'friends re-united' site a few weeks ago, not had time to reply yet. It's been 35 degrees here today phew!!

anon ( 28th Dec 2007 - 12:27 GMT

Hi Natalie, I think the hall stood somewhere near to where the garden centre is now.

Sheila Hilton: 28th Dec 2007 - 12:29 GMT

That wasn't anonymous, by the way. Just forgot to put my name in.

sam ross/debbie ross (nee) fearn: 30th Dec 2007 - 05:49 GMT

natalie are you married to steve waterworth or are you any relation
sam ross

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 1st Jan 2008 - 03:57 GMT

Hi Sam/ Debbie, Yes I am married to Steve Waterworth.
We went out as kids when I lived in irlam, and I left in summer of 1980. We got back in touch in 2002/3 and I came over to England and lived there for 1 yr. He now lives in Melbourne ( 2004) we have been married 3 yrs. Do you know him? He's intrigued as to where you know him from and said the name Debbie Fearn rings a loud bell with him.

sam ross/debbie ross (nee) fearn: 2nd Jan 2008 - 09:18 GMT

Jimmy Waterworth is my mums cousin(Joan)making us second cousins, you will probably know my sister Helen or Sonya, i came to Melbourne 10 years ago with my husband and 3 daughters, we now live in Lilydale. Keep in touch.
Deb xx

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 2nd Jan 2008 - 23:14 GMT

hi my name is paige kearney i love my mummy Natalie xx
Hi Deb,( that was my daughter ha ha!!!!)
Steves really excited that he's got rellos in Melbourne. He has asked me for your email address. You can contact me on
Stay in touch, you are his only relatives in Australia.
xxx Nat

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 2nd Jan 2008 - 23:15 GMT

PS Deb, We are in South Frankston near the beach, so it is only 1 hr for us to come and see you, or vise versa.x

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 2nd Jan 2008 - 23:23 GMT

Hey, Just wondering whether the Youth club (opposite Galliers Newsagency) on Liverpool rd is still operating? I remember going there as a teen. I remember when it was on the other side of the road in a brick building, guess thats all gone now though. Is there much to do for kids in Irlam? We moved there in Dec 1970 until July 1980 and we were always entertained and had endless things to do.

Dave: 8th Jan 2008 - 21:03 GMT

Many Thanks
Sheila Hilton for the photo of Irlam hall
I hope the people who written the book about Irlam contact you as it would be nice for others to see the photo too.
I do know Irlam Library do have open days every so often with old photos of the area so i do think they might be intrested in a copy of the photo..

Andrew Smith: 9th Jan 2008 - 14:00 GMT

Natalie - the Youth Club is still there. There is a brick building over the road to the left of the row of shops that Galliers is on. I don't know if it's the same one you're refering to and can't remember what's in it now off the top of my head I'm afraid.

Andrew Smith: 9th Jan 2008 - 15:37 GMT

Natalie - I've just realised that you can see the building in question in the picture of Gallier's posted by Dave back up the page.

Alison : 9th Jan 2008 - 16:35 GMT


Thanks for that Rob i will try and contact them for a picture

Rob Tynan: 9th Jan 2008 - 22:57 GMT

I think the old co-op building which used to be opposite Galliers was a youth club of some sort.

Rob Tynan: 9th Jan 2008 - 23:05 GMT

The old co-op building was next door to the doctors surgery and was painted white. (just remembered that!)

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 10th Jan 2008 - 00:37 GMT

Thanks guys. Yes it was the building that was next to the doctors surgery, on the corner of Fairhills road and liverpool rd. I remember there was a Lidl supermarket there last time I was in irlam (2003/4. It was the original youth club in the 70s before it went across the road. Does anyone remember the old "shed" type of building that was next to the Ship hotel that used to sell bric a brac and shoelaces and mops, nails, brooms, all hardware items. I remember going there as a kid and buying some bits and bobs. Did council ever grant permission for the construction of a mini housing estate behind the ship on the block of land ?

Rob Tynan: 10th Jan 2008 - 09:09 GMT

The "old shed" next to the ship was "Marvels Market" Before that I believe it was the first picture house in Irlam, and before that the local bus run by the landlord of the ship was run from there. I believe it was known as the "yellow Peril". It was probably the livery stables for the ship before that.

A housing developement has been built behind the ship on the car park and the old bowling green.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 11th Jan 2008 - 08:35 GMT

For us to travel from Cadishead to Irlam was a big day out hehe. When we used to go to the little wading pool behind Irlam pool, we used to take sandwiches and a drink... and going to August Bank Holiday fair was as exciting as our annual day out to Blackpool... I recall going to playgroup when I was about 3-4 at the "old firestation" on that little side road between Irlam High and St. Theresa's. The journey home was so long we had to have a nap in the car! That land is probably filled with houses now? See you on Saturday Nat x x

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 11th Jan 2008 - 11:30 GMT

To everyone that frequents this site, I would just like to share something with you all. Thru the postings, My husband and I have been contacted by a few readers who have turned out to be long lost relatives, and who ARE LIVING ONLY 1 HOURS Drive away from us in Melbourne Australia. My husband and I are meeting up with our fellow Irlamites ( and Rellos) next Saturday, and can't wait !!!..........Just had to share that with you all !!!!!
p.s. Thanks Andrew for originally starting this thread over 18 months ago.

Andrew Smith: 11th Jan 2008 - 21:31 GMT

That's brilliant Natalie - hope you enjoy yourselves. The power of the internet hey!

Roy Bamber: 14th Jan 2008 - 21:51 GMT

May I ask you Andrew Smith was your father a policeman and lived in Fiddlers Lane, Irlam and was your mother called Margaret and she died quite young.
I can remember a very young Andrew Smith who lived facing the Fiddlers Lane School and I can remember Tom Smith being a policeman at the Eccles and Irlam police station.
All the best
Roy Bamber

Andrew Smith: 15th Jan 2008 - 13:23 GMT

Roy - it wasn't me, I'm afraid.

I did know a few people who lived in the police houses on Fiddlers Lane and was friends with the Richardson's.

My address was Fiddlers Lane but it was actually the sheltered housing flats opposite the Margarine Works that I grew up in (built in the 1970's) - my Mum was the Warden.

Karl Daniels (lived here all my life in irlam): 16th Jan 2008 - 23:05 GMT

The original bandstand, I dont know if this has been said, but the corncrete is still there if you dig your heals in the grass, it runs next to the scateboard ramp to the left looking towards the old river, if you are there you will see that there are two long hill's and in the middle is where the path was and still can be found.

My granddad also ran the ferry accross the canal, and lots more I herd from our family as they lived in irlam all there lives also.

I will check back often here

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 17th Jan 2008 - 10:42 GMT

Karl Daniels - any relation to Roland Daniels florist in cadishead? ... or Lesley Daniels, who used to work at St.Paul's Playgroup opposite Ferry Road, Irlam? I lived in Cadishead until married, then worked at the playgroup when my children were babies, even became a 'leader' for 18 months with Lynne Dowling, (who now lives in Ireland)???

Jenny Foster(nee Sutton): 17th Jan 2008 - 13:58 GMT


Rob Tynan: 20th Jan 2008 - 01:53 GMT

Does any one no the exact position of the "British Resturant" which was opened in 1944. It was situated near to Royles but I can not pin point exactly where it stood?

Janet .Witcomb(nee Sutton): 20th Jan 2008 - 09:27 GMT

To add to the info. from my sister Jenny Foster.
.we lived at 48 Harewood Road. I went to Eccles Grammar School in 1952. I also attended St Johns Sunday School . Does anyone rember the Bowers (boys) from Harewood road, or Derek Brown, or the Walker girls....I think my Grandads farm was built on many years ago. I remember walking along the river from our house through to the park, the house in the park was lived in by the park keeper at the time. My Grandad played bowls and was oncw the mayor and was a mason as well. I remember well my days after the war at the little school opposite the cemetery.We also used to play near rhe canal! The Americans used to throw chewwing gum from the boats. I remember the canal was inky black, its a wonder we didnt fall in. I would love to hear from anyone who rembers those times. We are all about 67 years old now!

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 21st Jan 2008 - 10:41 GMT

Jenny & Janet - my dad John Bolton lived at 59 Ferry Road and would have been 13 around the time you are talking about. He married mum (Pat Gillet), in 1960 and moved to Cadishead. When I married in 1985, I moved to Harewood Road.... this world is becoming smaller every day!!!

Nat Waterworth - thanks for a great day on Saturday, it was lovely to catch up, especially as we met via this site...

Alan Taylor: 23rd Jan 2008 - 00:58 GMT

Hello everyone, lots of names cropping up that I recall, but more are from after I left my birth town in 1965/6 although I continued at the steelworks until 1972 & transfered to Scunthorpe Works. Prior to the Bobs Lane Ferry incident I worked that ferry, in fact I met my late wife whilst working Bobs Lane Ferry, I also worked short stints at Irlam Locks but was mainly on the Penny Ferry with the odd day on the Free Ferry before starting at the steelworks in 1964.
No one seems to recall Cyril Bagshaw's dad Cyril and his Fiddlers Lane Chippy (and I know you do Cyril and most likely Roy B). Amanda Fouracre you will see a picture of your brother on my Irlam/Cadishead schools site, oh and Norma your mam Pat is there somewhere also, last time I saw your sister Sheila was when she lived on the Irlam 'Salford overspill' estate at the top of Silver Street. Sorry netiquette dictates that I don't post the url to the school site that houses the collection of class photos' without Jamie & Peter's permission.

Pat Bolton, nee Gillet: 23rd Jan 2008 - 18:07 GMT

Hi all, The brick building you can see from Galliers shop, was the Cadishead and Irlam telephone exchange.Thanks Norma for sending me this site. Its so nice to hear all the people who used to live here and are now oversees. How nice for you to catch up with Debs relations.

Pat Bolton, nee Gillet: 23rd Jan 2008 - 18:12 GMT

Russell Smith, I remeber you and Gail and your Mum Barbara. Your Gran lived over the road from me here in Victory Road, and before that in Buckingham Road where I was born. I also remember your Uncles James and David. James Married Mary Mcguirewho also lived on Victory Road. I somehow think it is them who you went to live with.? Your Uncle david married Barbara Sumner who was my next door neighbour when they married. They now live further up the road from me.

Alan Taylor: 24th Jan 2008 - 12:19 GMT

Artist's sketch of The Ship Hotel Irlam. Bet it's changed a little now!

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Last time I recall seeing the Ship Hotel there was a LUT bus shelter in front of it.
Hope the picture comes through, if not it's at

Rob Tynan: 24th Jan 2008 - 14:56 GMT


Ship hotel is very much the same as the picture you posted except there is a new housing estate in the carpark and over the bowling green, and "Marvels Market" building which was to the left hand side of the Ship has gone.


Rob Tynan: 24th Jan 2008 - 18:34 GMT

Sorry about the quality, but here are some pics I took of the destruction of an Irlam landmark, the Irlam Endowed School.

Utter waste!

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Rob Tynan: 24th Jan 2008 - 19:06 GMT

Here are some grainy old pics Ive found.

St marys church Cadishead soon after being built
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St Johns Church around 1900
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Higher Irlam Co-op at the top of Silver Street
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One of the many old photos of Irlam Hall floating around the district
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Rob Tynan: 24th Jan 2008 - 22:22 GMT

Found more pics.

This is one of the cottage on the corner of Boat Lane and Ferry Road during demolition!!

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This one is of Hulme farm opposite taken from Ferry Road during demolition for the same developement.

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This is Hulme Farm front elevation

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This is Hulme Farm rear elevation

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Sad end to some familiar buildings in Irlam!

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 25th Jan 2008 - 11:54 GMT

The building on the corner of Ferry Rd/Boat Lane - was that called Goodyers? I recall they had geese that ran to the gate and scared the hell out of my children...

Cyril Bagshaw: 25th Jan 2008 - 12:43 GMT

Hi Norma
The building at the junction of Ferry rd was James Goodier, wholesale potato and corn merchants.They supplied the area chip shop and greengrocery businesses with a very wide variety of potatoes from all parts of the UK.
I believe his cousin was Joseph Goodier, of J>W> Goodier and son who had the farm and stables on the opposite corner of Ferry rd, and was the owner of the old established bakery (1848) on the corner of Boat lane and Liverpool rd near the Nags Head.
The 2 horses that were stabled there, Rainbow and Barney took the heavily laden bread vans all over Irlam and Cadishead moss before modern mechanics took over in the late 1930's.

Andrew Smith: 25th Jan 2008 - 14:01 GMT

Thanks for the pictures Rob - the Co-op certainly looks different!

The last time I was in the old hall of the Endowed school was 1983 - Lou Macari, ex-Celtic and United player, was presenting the local school team football awards. The school field is really small there - one of the goals was right in front of a classroom window. We used to worry about smashing it when taking a shot.

Rob Tynan: 25th Jan 2008 - 17:37 GMT

Actually I think Ive made a mistake, the Co-op building in the photo is the one opposite the Ship.

My Great uncle was the manager of the Co-op at the side of Nuttall street in Cadishead in the 1930's and 40's. John Tynan.

Rob Tynan: 25th Jan 2008 - 17:53 GMT

Hi Norma,

Do you know any info on Isa Taylor (nee Tynan) who lived at No 3 Ferry Road. She died in Oct 1952 but her husband Will Taylor lived on until the early 60's I believe. Isa was my Great Aunt who I believe was a bit of a character!


Deb Walker (nee Ormandy): 25th Jan 2008 - 19:22 GMT

Hi Pat Bolton

Do you remember me - we worked at Makro for a while (I was on customer reception/returns - Pat Bretnall/Jacqui Strapps were on there when I started - later on with Alison Meehan (Beech), Coleen Parker, Karen Millard (she moved from Electro service round the back) - in the old good old days!!
I pop in now + again (not the same!!) and my parents still live in Cadishead (off Dudley Road)

Nice to hear a blast from the past
Love Deb

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 25th Jan 2008 - 20:00 GMT

Hi Rob,

Sorry I can't help you with any info, it was my dad who lived in Ferry Road around that time and he has passed away now. I was born in the 60's and moved to Harewood Rd in the 80's.

Keith Ogden: 27th Jan 2008 - 14:32 GMT

loads of memories from this site.I was born and grew up in cadishead 1939-1960
The train on irlam park was what my father drove at the soap works.I remeber Irlam hall being demolished, i was christened at st Pauls church in irlam, my grandparents lived at No 9 silver street, my grandfather operated a steam shovel digging the canal
I used irlam ferry to go to urmdton baths on my bike and i used Bob's ferry dailly to go to work at Carrington 1958-1962, ,The ferry was 'sculled ' by a man calle five finger Frank and very often he was asleep so i had to scull myself over. I have loads of memories of cadishead, Irlam, Hollins Green etc

Graham Bate: 27th Jan 2008 - 20:37 GMT

Hi Andy,

This thread is a real blast from the past! so many names I recall, Brian Bagshaw, Roy Bamber, Steve Weir and all the history that goes with the town. I come from Irlam myself born there in 1960 and now live just up the road in warrington.
One of my relatives Joan Jackson is involved in the archives for Cadishead and has shown many pictures around the turn of the 1900's and also after WW2 but you don't tend to see many of the town from when I was growing up. Some of the pictures here are a real memory jogger.
By the way I do remember the chippy on Fiddlers lane "Bagshaws Chippy" it was in the terreced block of shops called "Spring Villas" which is now houses near to boundary road.
My mum and dad used to have a hardware store in the same block and also a pet shop, before they moved to the pre-fab shops which used to be opposite boundary rd. It was murder having a shop next to a Chippy, you were hungry all day!! I recall chips and peas were a "tanner" sixpence or 2.5p and my dad made me do deliveries on a push bike to work for my dinner...just as well or i'd have looked like Billy bunter!!!

I lost my dad just after new year 2006 but mam still lives in Irlam along with most of the relatives. I know the place has changed greatly over the years and in some case for the worse but it still holds a strange charm about it. I was taking to a chap the other day in Wilf's barbers on Lord st he complained about the place being a ghost town now, vandalism and yobs causing him grief. I asked why he was still here and he said he "loved the place too much!!!"

Andrew Smith: 28th Jan 2008 - 11:11 GMT

Graham - I remember your Mum & Dads hardware shop on Fiddlers Lane - it was a bit of a wonderland going in as a kid! Did it used to cover the two shops, next door to one another, in the 1980's?

Alan Taylor: 29th Jan 2008 - 16:19 GMT

Hello Graham, from the prefab shop past the old Spring Villas with the last one being an house not a shop, I was born 1944 and lived in the 4th house past on the same side, was #39 but was re-numbered 81 [maybe 83]after I left. I recall the first shop as a confectioners, next a cobblers, next Bagshaws Green Grocers, next Bracegirdles?[help out Cyril]radio repair shop, he lived on same side again but about 10 houses up.
The cobblers became Bagshaws Chippy with 'young' Cyril taking over the green grocery from his dad Cyril, Bracegirdles became a Wool Shop, I left the area in 1965/6 so my memories are fading. Graham you may have been at school with my sister Helen Arstall from Mond Road because she was born same year as you, if you look through the Irlam schools class photos at you may see faces you recall and most have names to the faces.
If I remember correctly your dad had a thick head of hair and quite curly too! He filled the product gap left by old Mrs Milner who's shop I think became the library's car park near the Nags Head, she also lived on Fiddlers but on the right side up near Mond Road.

Cyril Bagshaw: 30th Jan 2008 - 06:29 GMT

Hi Alan,
Pretty well spot on with the old row of shops in Fiddlers lane, they started with a double being Smallshaw,s grocery which provided the meager rations throughout the war and managed more or less by a lady I only remember as Phylis. Lennies from Cadishead took it over and kept the grocery side and added their speciallity as confectioners.
I started the greengrocery there with my Dad in 1947 with the 120 pounds ( I have only dollar signs that the generous government gave me after 4 war years in the RAF. Anyway,it got Dad and I going for better or for worse and kept me off the dole.

Alan Taylor: 30th Jan 2008 - 10:28 GMT

Hi Cyril et al,
Firstly my I pass on my condolences in the passing of your son Brian at such a young age.

Yes I forgot to mention that the first one was a double fronted shop, if my memories are correct was not Bate's first built out of wood [like a Nissan Hut] before becoming rather more substantial but basically the same shape?

Being only 3 years old when you started the first shop and of course I was away in Ladywell Hospital [Eccles/Salford] in the Isolation Ward A1 where it was confirmed I had poliomyelitis of the brain stem [known as Bulbar poliomyelitis] then to Biddulph [|Staffs] Isolation Hospital for recovery treatment designed by Nurse Kenny [of Australia] later Sister Kenny, then back to Ladywell Hospital for several more months of treatment followed by an hours treatment every Friday at Longfield Lodge Cadishead. Neither of these hospitals now stand I am told. Perhaps those still in Irlam/Cadishead area could say if Longfield Lodge is still there!

Alison: 30th Jan 2008 - 16:52 GMT

Im sure my my mum used to work in a shop on fiddlers lane when i was a baby im sure it was a fish shop will ask her when i get home, does anyone remember Hurst Fold where the Library used to be (couldnt find that book Alan) i would love a picture

Rob Tynan: 30th Jan 2008 - 19:38 GMT

Longfield lodge is still here. It was empty for a while after the clinic closed. It then became a private house. About 7 or eight years ago a doctors surgery and a dental practise was set up there.

I remember having my jabs there when I was about 4yrs old. It always seemed to smell of methylated spirits.

Cyril Bagshaw: 30th Jan 2008 - 22:24 GMT

Hi Alison,
Yes, Hurst Fold was a small terraced row of cottages adjacent to the old Post Office originally run by the Keil? family.
Many years ago, before the shops on the corner of Fiddlers Lane were built, there was another little row of cottages laying back in the hollow which you could walk down to, and this was called Square Fold.
My mother was born in one of those cottages in 1901 before moving to Peel Green where I was born in 1925.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 31st Jan 2008 - 09:59 GMT

Wow Longfield Lodge... you are right Rob, it did have a distinct 'hospital' smell. Now you've taken me back to the good old days when the Tar works was really smelly and Mum used to drag us through the haze and smoke to take my baby brothers to the Lodge for their weigh-in. She also used to get their milk and yummy orange juice that we older kids used to sneak sips of.

Cyril - In 1980 I worked on Fiddlers Lane at the end shop 'Scholles' grocer-cum-offie (or outdoor or commonly known here in Oz as the milk bar...) I remember at that time chatting to the lad next door - Brian - who was a bit older than me (I was 16/17) who worked with his folks. Would that be you Cyril? I recall going to a party 'above shop' before Brian moved away. I have just read Alan's message of condolence on the passing of Brian... I had no idea, please accept my sympathies also.

Alan Taylor: 31st Jan 2008 - 10:00 GMT

Cyril & ex-pats,
For those that don't have the '£' (pound) symbol on their keyboard, try =
hold down left hand 'Alt' key and type '1' '5' '6' from the number pad on the right of keyboard, NOT those across the top. [Alt 156 = £].

Thanks Rob for the update on Longfield Lodge, much appreciated, I recall the Fridays from from hospital release in 1948/9 that I attended Longfield Lodge until aged 14 in 1958, that's a lot of Fridays ;-)
They used to experiment on our polio effected limbs by moving into different positions and plastering them for 6 weeks at a time, they used to bathe the limbs in surgical spirits before plastering, so maybe that is what you recall smelling.

It isn't a 'book' but a 'website' compiled and maintained by me.
Of which is a collection of 'class' photographs. Hope that helps.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 31st Jan 2008 - 10:05 GMT

Rob - I meant to add this before I pressed send... hope you find the info re your Aunt in Ferry Road, sorry I couldn't be of any help. Are you related to the Tynan family who lived in Victory Rd, Cadishead, during the 60's - 80's (maybe still do)? The father and daughter (names I can't recall), were in Cadishead Brass Band, as were my brother and sister at the time.

Alan Taylor: 31st Jan 2008 - 15:49 GMT

Hello Rob,
Your great aunt Isa Taylor died aged 68 1Qtr 1952 Barton 10b/271
your great uncle Will Taylor I find 3 possibilities -
William F Taylor aged 79 3Qtr 1960 Salford 10f/432 [most likely died in hospital]
William H Taylor aged 75 4Qtr 1961 Barton 10b/338 [most likely died at home]
William H Taylor aged 95 2Qtr 1964 Barton 10b/294 [most likely died at home]
There are several others that could fit, but I listed the 3 most likely, any help M8?
Barton covers Cadishead, Irlam, Eccles, Worsley, part of Flixton, but Salford covered Hope Hospital & Salford Royal Hospital.

Rob Tynan: 31st Jan 2008 - 16:41 GMT

Hi Norma,

We lived just off Victory Road, Rosebank Road. My mum still lives there. It was me and my dad that were in Cadishead Band. I still am. My dad was called Hubert tynan. he passed away 10 years ago. My mum is called Barbara. She used to be the a midwife in Cadishead and Irlam, late 50s early Sixties. Later she was the practise nurse at Dr walkers surgery in Irlam. My Dad worked at Royles Ltd for 40 years before leaving to work for NNC in the late 70s just before Royles shut down.

Alison: 31st Jan 2008 - 17:11 GMT

Hi Alan

Whats the websit called please

Rob Tynan: 31st Jan 2008 - 22:01 GMT

Hi Alan

Thanks for that info. I need to find out what what wills middle initial was for starters I think. I have managed to trace the main part of the family tree back to the early 1800s. I just need more time to get stuck in.

Rob Tynan: 31st Jan 2008 - 22:23 GMT

Anyone remember Len Jackson the milkman? He ran Jacksons Dairy from a shop opposite the Coach & horses with his wife. They both smoked like chimneys. They were both real characters.

Next door to lens was a small toy shop. I remember being allowed to choose something cheap from there after going to the dentist which was on the corner of Atherton Lane.

Alan Taylor: 1st Feb 2008 - 00:58 GMT

Hi Alison,
Cadishead & Irlam schools class photos at
with names, did put it in but it didn't appear, so it's above again, if it doesn't appear email me direct for the link at

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 1st Feb 2008 - 07:59 GMT

Hi Rob,
You may remember my brother Mike and sister Sheila from their time at the band? Mike has been in the RAF for 20+ years and plays for them whenever he gets the opportunity. As for Len Jackson, I remember him well (though you have just prompted my memory)... also Ray the greengrocer who came round in his van (and apparently still does Mum said) and the men from the Pru (Ron Sampson)and Britannic insurance (Stan Wright)...

Rob Tynan: 2nd Feb 2008 - 00:56 GMT

Hi Norma,

Yep, I remember Mike and Sheila, I can remember me and my dad giving mike a lift home once after a band concert. Correct me if I am wrong, but Mike played the cornet, and so did sheila.

As for Len the milkman, he had an old grey flatback Bedford CA pickup I think, followed by a 'new ' 1971 Bedford CF, painted in factory green primer and with a side door, which he removed to make milk delivery easier. That van lasted for years!! He used to collect his money in a yellow Ford Anglia Estate.

The things you nremember!!!

Rob Tynan: 2nd Feb 2008 - 01:02 GMT

Hi Norma again,

Yep I remember Mr Samson The Pru Man, Apparently he is still living in Essex Gardens. He used to come and collect the insurance money from my parents.

Rob Tynan: 2nd Feb 2008 - 01:12 GMT

Does anyone remember the concrete octagonal paddling pool in the park at Lords Street Cadishead, and the concrete tunnel. It was always full of glass, I was never allowed near it as a kid because of the glass. I remember the slides there were quite high.

Rob Tynan: 2nd Feb 2008 - 01:17 GMT

Heres one!!

Does anyone in Cadishead remember the "Bettaware" man who used to bring samples of "revoluntionary" household gismos round to your house, I remember he drove a 1960s Ford Classic.

Cyril Bagshaw: 2nd Feb 2008 - 05:28 GMT

Hi Norma,
Greetings from Adelaide ( arrived here in september 1980 ),and many thanks for your condolences on the passing of our much loved son Brian.He leaves his wife Jen and their 2 lovely children, Chris 7 and Janet 9.
The party in our flat above the shop must have been while his mum and I were probably away for the weekend as his brother John and he really enjoyed themselves in our absence.Lovely to hear you were part of those good times.They have been best mates all their lives.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 2nd Feb 2008 - 10:18 GMT

Hi Rob, thanks so much for the pics. Do you kno whats to become of Hulme farm? it could be restored to a guest house, or a grand family home. WHAT A WASTE !!!!

Rob Tynan: 2nd Feb 2008 - 10:31 GMT

Hi Nat

Im afraid its already gone. It has been replaced by apartments /rabbit hutches / executive homes or what ever you would like to call them about 4 years ago.

Developers get more money for apartments/rabbit hutches, its as simple as that.

If that farm was in the cheshire countryside, it would probably have been saved. But not in irlam.

Profit before asthetics!!!

Marissa Chaplin: 2nd Feb 2008 - 11:58 GMT

Here are some pics you might like to see. My Uncle took them when we went up in a little plane.
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Irlam & Cadishead Community High School 2007

Marissa Chaplin: 2nd Feb 2008 - 12:00 GMT

Bottom of pic, new houses on site of old margarine works middle of pic Fiddlers Lane Community Primary School 2007
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Marissa Chaplin: 2nd Feb 2008 - 12:02 GMT

The "Bullring" on the Margarine Estate
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Andrew Smith: 2nd Feb 2008 - 15:13 GMT

Cheers for those Marrissa - they're great.

The block of flats just to the left of centre in the second pic, just below the school field, is where I lived for the first 13 years of my life. The top part of the photo is like a map of my childhood - we played out every day and knew every nook and cranny.

Dave: 2nd Feb 2008 - 15:28 GMT

To all who wished to know where Sparrow Park is, it is the small piece of land at the side of the Nags Head Pub and in front of Irlam Library.

Rob Tynan: 3rd Feb 2008 - 01:36 GMT

Hi Marissa,

Have you got any aerial pics of the School Lane, Chapel road area of Irlam?

Marissa Chaplin: 3rd Feb 2008 - 09:56 GMT

Hi Rob
Sorry I havent, they are mainly the High School and the Margarine Estate, as thats where I live.
If I get the chance to go up again, I will get some.
Glad you liked the pics Andrew, I take it you mean the flats which are now Warden controlled for the elderly, I have always wondered about them.
I do have more pics but like I said before they are mainly of the areas I mentioned.
I do a lot of local history research on the area as my husbands family go back many generations in Caroline Street and the Moss. Incase you hadnt guessed I am addicted to Genealogy, so if anyone needs any help with anything like that, give us a shout.

Marissa Chaplin: 3rd Feb 2008 - 10:12 GMT

Here are sopme more pics, taken from a great book I bought at Irlam Library.
Fiddlers Lane before the school was built.
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Spring Villas, Fiddlers Lane
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Fiddlers Lane
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Andrew Smith: 3rd Feb 2008 - 13:06 GMT


We lived in the flats from when they were built in the 70's to about 1986/7 - my Mum was the warden in one of them.

My mates Dad was one of the builders who worked on them and lived in one of the shops on 'The Parade' It's missed off the photo above, though probably wasn't there at the time it was taken - was second from the left on the row, next to the bakery (Joyce's Fabrics), which his Mum used to run.

Andrew Smith: (she ran Joyce's Fabrics, not the bakery)

Alan Taylor: 3rd Feb 2008 - 16:49 GMT

Hi Marissa,
Your last picture I recall it as a thriving shop for sweets & toys and when it changed hands the new owner an ex-barber from Burtonwood AAF Base built the almost flat roofed side extension employing one bricklayer part-time supported by himself and a few of us senior school kids as labourers, he paid us well. When finished he opened the new part as a Gent's Barbers' Shop whilst his family continued to run the original business plus Newspapers etc...

To the left of the same picture you can just see the side window of Charles' General Grocers - what is missing is the doorway on the corner of the building, front window then Halliwell's Butchers. Memories from the 1950/60's.

Alan Taylor: 3rd Feb 2008 - 17:06 GMT

Hi again Marissa et al,
The Bullring picture I notice that the old wooden Methodist Chapel looks to be completely brick built and with an extension at the playpark end, is it still Methodist and has it been rebuild since I left in 1965ish?

Hi Andrew,
I recall the Fabric Shop as a Shoe Cobblers and vaguely recall it being a double fronted shop, but unsure, I think it was only the shop at each end that was single fronted, no doubt Cyril may confirm.


Marissa Chaplin: 3rd Feb 2008 - 18:47 GMT

Hiya all
Thanks for all the info on the photos.
Boundary Rd Church is still methodist, not sure when it was rebuilt, I will try and find out.
The Fabric Shop was and still is double fronted (although it was refurbished at the beginning of this year after being empty for many many years). It re-opened last week as a chinese chippy.
My husband recalls there being a chippy and a pet shop on Spring Villas, Fiddlers Lane. He has lived on this estate since 1969, when he was 2.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 4th Feb 2008 - 01:35 GMT

Great pics Marissa,
I can't believe the state of Irlam High school............what the????? How do Governments expect children to function to the best of their ability in an unaesthetically pleasing environment such as that? It looks atrocious. Where are all the nice grassed communal areas? whats that patchwork of tarmacs used for at the station side where the original buildings and later the portables were? Its a concrete jungle, and Salford city council should be ploughing some revenue into it, or are they planning on selling off the spare land for more housing development !!!!

Andrew Smith: 4th Feb 2008 - 11:05 GMT

Thanks for the info about the shops Marissa & Alan.

Alison: 4th Feb 2008 - 16:40 GMT

Thank Rob,

My brother used to play in Cadishead Band did you know him 'Steven Roberts'?

Marissa Chaplin: 4th Feb 2008 - 16:50 GMT

Hi Natalie
The High School is now an 11-18 specialist school in Business Enterprise , Maths & Computing. My eldest 2 currently attend the school and the facilities they have are fantastic (a lot better than when I was there. Although the outside is not very pleasing and outdated, it is currently waiting for a complete refurb.

steve kettle: 4th Feb 2008 - 19:51 GMT

bliney smithy, you have created something awesome.
just reading through some of these names takes me straight back to my childhood.
i remember living in the shop Joyces fabrics (mum jean kettle (nee dixon) never changed the name) and living there until i was 12. it was a crazy shop full of clothes (like illuminous socks), wool , fabrics and sewing stuff. can't belive its a chippy now, but then its been pretty much empty since we moved out so at least its now used again.
i remember scholes bakery next door, bambers the other side of us before it became RS mccolls, and i recall the bagshaws moving to oz.
there seemed to be a gang of us kids back in the 70s who all used to hang around on the moss, fiddlers lane school field and 'the land' at the back of the shops which for a time had caravans on it along with the mysterious and spooky air raid shelter. obviously me and you smithy, steve and john richardson (whos dad was a police man in eccles and used to play cricket at Irlam Steel and had 2 grown up brothers mike and paul i think), david clegg in the bungalow on fiddlers lane.
i just remember hot summers playing football and 'superstars' on the school field.
the shops opposite the marge works. i remember getting my school shoes from a shop i think called 'bettys'? may be wrong.
i just have fab memories of my childhood in the area, and i always love coming home when i get chance.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 4th Feb 2008 - 20:36 GMT

Hi Rob (and all...),

yep Mike and Sheila did play the cornet and also learned another instrument at high School too (both being in the Orchestra). I was too busy going out with my mates and the family joke has always been that they played instruments while I played truant!! By the time I left school, I was on first name terms with the 'wag-man' hehe. As for Mr. Samson still living in the same house, he must be about 103 now... only teasing, he seemed really old when we were kids, though he was probably a similar age to what I am now!

Rob Tynan: 4th Feb 2008 - 21:32 GMT

Hi Alison,

Yep I know Steve. Didnt he become a music teacher and a conductor. He was always trying to be in the lime light in the band. Ask him if he remembers Tiffanys in Oxford Road Manchester about 20 odd years ago!!

Cyril Bagshaw: 5th Feb 2008 - 05:36 GMT

Hi Alan,
The old cobblers shop you knew was firstly taken over for a brief time by 'yours truly' for the sale of flowers as we already occupied the next door shop for the greengrocery. Falling on hard times in the early 1950's we fitted out the shop with all the necessary chip shop equipment and my mum and dad successfully ran the fish and chip business until he retired. The end 2 premises were run for a time as the local launderette, that is, until I believe, soap suds bunged up the drains!!!

Andrew Smith: 5th Feb 2008 - 13:25 GMT

Nice one Ste - forgot about the air-raid shelter. When we used to play 'war' on the 'land' you had to go in there when you were caught - quite scary as it was nearly pitch dark. Similarly, playing 'war' near the cricket club you used to have to go in the outside toilets if caught - that was scary because of the smell!

Bob Salmon: 5th Feb 2008 - 19:38 GMT

Hi rob

Yes I remember Len Jackson; my mother got her daily pinta from him for a few decades.

One of his employees on the milk round was a good friend of mine, his name was Ivor Lowery. I also went to school with Ivor’s brother Ray. Funnily enough they lived next door to Len Jackson the milkman and their parents ran the toyshop you mentioned.

I do not remember a dentist on the corner of Atherton Lane; I do however remember Rowland’s dentists on the corner of Lytherton Avenue.
Atherton Lane as I remember it had the George Hotel on one corner and the railway bridge and embankment on the other side.

Whilst I am on the subject of Lytherton Avenue, a bit of trivia for you.
Lytherton Avenue was called after Lytherton Farm, which stood on the corner of Lords Street and Liverpool Road. This is going back a long, long time.

Another bit of trivia, Lytherton Avenue once had a nickname, it was called “Mouth organ Street”. The reason for this as I remember was that there were a lot of people with mouth organs living there. This was long before my time.

Happy memories


Rob Tynan: 6th Feb 2008 - 07:51 GMT

Hi Bob

You are right, Ive got Atherton mixed up with Lytherton!!

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 6th Feb 2008 - 10:39 GMT

I have not-so-fond-memories of Rowland's dentist. Could the nickname 'mouth organ street' have anything to do with the dentist, or are we talking different times?

Alison: 6th Feb 2008 - 13:34 GMT

Hi Rob

Yes he is a conducter now travels around he gave up teaching last year i think, i will ask him if he remembers Tiffanys when i speak to him

Alison: 6th Feb 2008 - 14:12 GMT

Hi Rob

Yes steven said he has good memories of Tiffanys and says hello.

Alan Taylor: 7th Feb 2008 - 09:56 GMT

Hi Cyril et al,
Yes now I remember and heck it was a short period as a flower shop :-)
I remember only too well Cyril Bagshaw SENIOR and his chippy, was it 6d [six pennurth] of chips and a 1d [penny] fish for a good portion too, or was it 6d for the fish with 1d for the chips?, if you wanted a treat his steak n kidney puddings in the alloy dishes were fantastic, he used to let me take the pudding in the metal dish open wrapped, if I promised to return it, something he rarely did was part with those little dishes normally. Another memory is that he would give me a bag of scratchings if I was hungry and had no money, I feel he favoured me over the other local lads, maybe because of my bad start in life [polio] in the year when you & your dad started up in Fiddlers Lane.
Guess it's obvious I have fond memories of Cyril senior.
Well Cyril, you would know what 'hard times' are if you was still here in the green grocery trade with the hyper/super markets that are squeezing the 'smallman' out with the shop under one roof for everything at cut prices, short term this is good for the customer but I doubt it is good long term though.
Cyril how about posting your pictures of say Silverdale taken from the back of your shop and any others you may have, stir some other memories.
All the best,
Alan...[Robin Hood County]

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 8th Feb 2008 - 13:42 GMT

Scratchings .. mmm ... (thought that was our local twang), we got them too from our chippy opposite the Cadishead Wesleyan Church - Fish and chips in OZ is not quite the same, you go in and order (or phone through) and they cook fresh while you wait, the fish has a texture of chicken and a taste that is nice but certainly not 'fishy' and they don't do peas; curry or pies..... now I am drooling thinking of Lee's chippy opposite Margarine works, his curry sauce was to die for...

Cyril - I have a cousin in Adelaide and visit whenever I can get a cheap flight from Jetstar, they live in North/Outer Haven, but we go into town whenever I visit. I love Glenelg. Have you visited Handorf (spelling?)

Marje Givens-Eames: 8th Feb 2008 - 14:03 GMT

What a wonderful site for Irlam/Cadishead and what memories, many I had forgotten.

I remember Goodiers living in the house on Ferry Road/Boat Lane. We lived in Gerrards Close and our house backed onto the Goodiers garden. A 6/7ft fence separated us. I loved it in the summer (that's when we had proper summers) as they used to sit outside at a table and eat their meals. I thought that was wonderful and wanted to grow up so I could buy my own house and sit out in the garden eating my meals. I am talking now about late 1930's and early 1940's.

Much later on when I was married with 4 sons, we lived in Allenby Road and remember the ferry accident. My husband, John Eames, worked at Shell Chemicals and had just finished his last shift. He promised to take two of the sons to the baths so when Shell phoned him to ask if he would do a night shift he refused. That refusal probably saved his life. The explosion woke us up and we only found out what had happend when John went for the morning newspaper and the newsagent told him what the explosion was. It was only later on in the day that we realised what might have happened. He would have been on that ferry coming from Shell and who knows what.

In 1974 we emigrated to South Africa and after much working and sorting out we did buy our own house and sit outside in the garden eating our food. the saying goes, everything comes to those who wait.

I did notice a photograph someone has added, which says Higher Irlam Coop top of Silver Street, it looks very much like the coop on liverpool Road opposite the Ship Hotel! and the shop at the end of the line was the old post office, and to the right of the picture looks like the opening for the goods to be delivered. The top of the coop was where we would go to take our check sheets to be reckon up for the 'divi', but, there you go,perhaps I am not looking at it properly. I remember the coop at the corner of Silver Street as we used to go there once a month for the 'circle' does anyone remember that! and the 'chippy' on Fiddlers Lane, the best fish and chips for miles around, don't make 'em like that anymore.

Marissa Chaplin: 8th Feb 2008 - 18:43 GMT

Here are some pages from Irlam & Cadishead Advertiser in early 1984
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Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 8th Feb 2008 - 21:10 GMT

Hi Marje,

I lived on Victory Road and recall Roy Eames emigrating, I guess he would be one of your sons? I was born early 60's, though I have a feeling he was a few years older?

Cyril Bagshaw: 8th Feb 2008 - 23:42 GMT

Hi Norma,
Yes, we have enjoyed driving through the Adelaide hills up to Hahndorf village many times.We live 5 miles from Glenelg on Henley Beach road.
I went to Irlam Central school with a lad in my class by the name of Eric Bolton in 1937, wonder if he was any relation?

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 9th Feb 2008 - 11:43 GMT

Hi Cyril,

Eric is my Dad's cousin. Dad (John) was born in 1939 but passed away in 1994.

Pat Bolton, nee Gillet: 9th Feb 2008 - 22:24 GMT

Hi Cyril, As Norma confirmed, Eric Bolton was my late husbands(John)cousin. He lived in Mond Road, and was the son of Joe and Emmy Bolton.His father Joe had a serious accident while in the army during world war 2 .He had an operation to mend a ( broken) knee. He also lost the site of one eye. People will possibly remember him riding his cycle with one leg straight as he couldn't bend his knee. I love this site, It has brought back so many memories of Cadishead and Irlam.I was born in Buckingham Road and moved to Victory Road in 1962. Norma if you look closely at the 2 school photo's from the early days of the advertiser, you may recognise your Aunty Glenys.

Cyril Bagshaw: 9th Feb 2008 - 22:43 GMT

Hi Norma,
I remember your Dad's cousin Eric as a cracking little soccer player in those school days, when Mr Dawson was the headmaster,a mr Pinnington the maths teacher who frequently brought out this thick leather belt from his drawer in his desk and wasnt afaid to use it, and the accident on his motor cycle of the popular science master mr Myers who didnt survive.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 9th Feb 2008 - 23:24 GMT

Can anybody help me find any information about my father ROY EDWARD MINOR..He was found dead at Irlam locks in 1976.We lived on Ferryhill Rd and my nan and grandad lived at 46 Harewood rd (jessie and bob)sadly It was a suicide and I know it was in the local papers..I dont know much about my dad as I was 5 when he passed so I am unsure as to whether me and my sister Victoria have any living relatives atall.My dad lived on Caroline street before he married my mum who passed 1993.I didnt live with my mum much after my dad died so I never found out about any family I may or may not have.Or even to hear from anyone who knew my dad would be nice.Anyway does anyone have any info,anything atall would be gratefully appreciated.I went to Irlam primary and the endowed and Irlam high.I now live in Portsmouth so I cannot get to Irlam to get any archives.Thankyou.

Marissa Chaplin: 10th Feb 2008 - 16:26 GMT

Hi Joanne
I am really sorry to hear that but I will have a look around and see what I can find. Do you have any idea how old he was?

Mark.: 11th Feb 2008 - 20:47 GMT

Like the pages from Irlam & Cadishead advertiser,do you have anymore you can post on the site? Thanks, Mark

Marissa Chaplin: 12th Feb 2008 - 11:20 GMT

The other I have is a centre spread, which just has photos of people from the area called "Picture Round-up from the District". I can put them on if you would like to see them.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 12th Feb 2008 - 15:40 GMT

Hi Marissa..My dad was 29 when he passed.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 12th Feb 2008 - 16:45 GMT

Anyway as far as memories from Irlam go I went to Irlam county primary and the endowed then to Irlam High I left in 1987,I lived on Ferry hill rd Harewood rd and The crescent.I used to go to the youth club and my dad used to take me to the little paddling pool in princes park.My mum went to the school when it was Alfred Turners and her name was Susan Garratt.I remember the days when people used to have competitions on who could grow the largest vegetable.and loads of different memories of bates shop and kingsys sweet shop and going into the butchers on fiddlers lane and asking if he sold vegetarian cookbooks for my mum!!!(I was only young!!)I had a newspaper job at mcolls and I also went to the nursery that was on fiddlers lane although it has long since nursery teacher was called sharon.and the park that was on the crescent was a mare as the slide tore my skirt off and I had to run home in my underwear!!I have loads of scattered memories of Irlam and my life there but I would really like to hear if anyone remembers my dads death in 1976 at the locks as I am trying to find out what happened and if he has any relatives we could be related to.My nan was called Jessie Garratt and grandad was Bob garratt my dads dad was George Minor he lived at 49 Caroline Street.I dont know my dads mums name.My dad worked at the steelworks as did my grandad they were both security guards there.ANY info would be great as i am desperate to find out if i can put any jigsaw pieces together. thanks

Marje Givens-Eames: 12th Feb 2008 - 18:26 GMT

Hiya Norma

Yes Roy is my son (there are 4) he was born 1961 so would be about the same age as you.


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 12th Feb 2008 - 20:47 GMT

Hi Marje,

It's funny the little things we remember when prompted by something. Has Roy got red hair? He is the same age as my eldest brother Mike. I am two years younger, (with my sister, Sheila in the middle) ... then there are my two younger brothers, Stuart and John (who are both in their late thirties).

Alison: 13th Feb 2008 - 11:57 GMT

Hi Joanne

I left Irlam High in 1987 and mum went to Alfred Turner i will ask her does she recognise your mum or dads name. I remember kingys, bates and mccolls, but i went to fiddlers lane school, i am 37 now.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 13th Feb 2008 - 12:58 GMT

Hi Alison

We must of been in the same year then..Im 37 too..Thankyou for asking for me any information would be helpful.I was known as Joanne Howard-minor at school,dont know if you remember me or not?...

Alan Taylor: 14th Feb 2008 - 11:30 GMT

Hi Joanne,
At a quick glance I find that -
Roy Edward MINOR born 5th Sept 1946 died 4th quarter 1976 registered Trafford 39/1915,
also found a -
Beatrice Mary MINOR born 3rd Jun 1896 died 2nd quarter 1976 registered Barton 39/0749,
could this be your dad's mam or perhaps his paternal grandma?
The M.E.N. online archives only seen to go back to 2000 for B.M.D.'s...
Will look deeper if you want just email me at '' NO CHARGES I'm not a pro just a family historian for my own family, if this is what you want to find any relatives still in the area then with direct contact and we could between us build a short family tree for you. Some of my tree can be viewed via

Robert Davies: 14th Feb 2008 - 14:14 GMT

Hi Cath, Bob and Helen Salmon, Anne (Jones) and Shiela Hilton. I've just found this site and was surprised to see you all on here. I was looking for old pictures of St Mary's school on John Street Cadishead as it now belongs to Greenoaks Ltd, who I work for

Mark: 14th Feb 2008 - 19:51 GMT

Thanks, Marissa....Only put it on if it's not much trouble..

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 00:37 GMT

Thankyou so much for have found what I have been searching for for ages.I couldnt find the district my dads death was registered maybe now I can find some kind of inquest report if I can find the coroner?It would be great If I could keep in touch with you and do that tree if its possible...thankyou in touch soon

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 02:03 GMT

I have this childhood memory.i must of been really young..but my dad used to take me to what seemed to be a nursery or playgroup next to or near the doctors surgery on liverpool road near the youth club just past the swimming baths...I had to walk down the side of the building to get in...and there was a climbing thing in it...any clues?
I remember the veg man in his blue box van when we lived on the crescent..and lees chippy...thats how a)i got addicted to hollands cheese and onion pies and B)addicted to his curry

Cyril Bagshaw: 15th Feb 2008 - 12:17 GMT

Hello Joanne,
Believe it or not, I drove the blue van that you so rightly recall, it was a walk-in travelling greengrocery that serviced the Margarine Works estate as it was called, and the Harewood road estate from 1948 to 1960.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 13:55 GMT

Hi Cyril,

Wow a small world we live in,I remember walking into it...You may remember my mum whan we lived there we lived at number 67 her name was sue...I know you came across many people but I remember my mum talking to you quite often if it was you that drove it in 1980's on the margerine and her got on really well and was always having a natter...image 25899This is a photo of my mum sue and my dad roy in 1970.have a look see if you recognise her face.I just remember her talking to a dark haired man...

Alan Taylor: 15th Feb 2008 - 14:27 GMT

Don't want to bore the others on this board with family history, albeit it does roughly fit the title of the board, although the intention was for pictures & memories of things now gone, but this stuff is now more personal to yourself and there are things which need to be considered. I have now, I believe, found your paternal grandma who may have come from the Partington area.
Alan (

Alan Taylor: 15th Feb 2008 - 14:35 GMT

My previous was posted without seeing your picture, Sue's face seems familiar more so than Roy's and the name Garratt is not unfamiliar although I cannot say for certain if it was from Irlam [Lancs] or Scunthorpe [Lincs], certainly not from my time in Devon/Ceredigion/Nottinghamshire.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Alison: 15th Feb 2008 - 15:40 GMT

Hi Joanne

Did you say you lived at 67 The Crescent, my grandma lived at 65 she passed away last november but had lived there for 60 years if not more.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 17:34 GMT

Sorry my intention was not to bore others I was just asking if anyone had heard of them I shall not post anything more about it...I will contact you instead thanks..Oh and Alison I remember your grandmother I cant remember her name although it is on the tip of my tongue..a very nice lady from what I remember of her...Sorry to hear of your loss..I think her surname began with P i'm not sure my memory is a bit naff!

Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 18:57 GMT


Your story certainly isnt boring!! Please keep posting. Would love to know the outcome. I just wish I could help. With the info you have found so far since your first posting just proves the power of the internet. Anything you think of, post it. It could just jog someones memory. If it dosent, well it might jog other memories people might find interesting or useful.

Good luck


Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 19:30 GMT

Back in December you said you couldnt find any pics of the cottages at hurst fold. I have found these. They are a bit grainy Im afraid.

I think the three chimneys in the centre of the pic belong to the cottages
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The right hand side of this pic shows the end of one of the cottages I think
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Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 19:38 GMT

For all those who have not seen the "upturned shuttlecock" on the new roundabout, entering Cadishead from Hollins Green, Here it is!

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Alan Taylor: 15th Feb 2008 - 19:44 GMT

Hi Joanne,
I only meant the mundane stuff, by all means information on your dad should be posted, you never know who ends up reading the information. Also post information found on any possible relatives, one of them or someone who knows of them could jump-in and give vital information.
It is just the 'how we get there' that I meant, so as not to bog the board down, like the registration district which tells me he was found on the Flixton side of the locks or was taken to Davyhulme Hospital and was certified dead there, which points to a possible post mortem at that hospital and dealt with the coroner at the courthouse in Sale, all assumptions, perhaps others have ideas on the subject of the local coroners offices for the area, I left in 1972 just before the boundaries got reshuffled.
I have the registration numbers to get the various BMD certificates of which some will be required to prove parentage to move your tree backwards in time. Also 3 other MINOR's were born 1971, 2 registered in Salford & one in Barton like yours was, possible 3 cousins for you.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 20:56 GMT

HI alison was your grandmother mrs Pearson? it suddenly came back to me!I do have these little electrical impulses now and again!Thankyou Rob for your kind words..and Alan i've tried to get to you via the googlemail site but it keeps directing me to a page and I cannot find you...that information sound very interesting and i would love to find the coroner who dealt with my dad so i can find any surviving inquest report...Thankyou to this site it is wonderful and thankyou to all those who are trying to help me find out.

Alan Taylor: 15th Feb 2008 - 21:25 GMT

Hi Joanne,
It was my email address ->

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 15th Feb 2008 - 21:29 GMT

Hi Joanne,

I too, enjoy reading your posts. I realise the point Alan was trying to make. He certainly wasn't trying to put you off, just protect you from some private information being disclosed on here, thus adding more to your upset and hurt over the whole situation. Many of us have made past connections with neighbours (hi Rob...), friends of family (Alan/Nat...); work acquaintances (Cyril...), so you never know, just who is out there reading this and can be of help. GOOD LUCK x x

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 15th Feb 2008 - 21:34 GMT

Hi Rob,

When was the shuttlecock erected? It's the first I've heard or seen of it. At least I have a landmark to look for, when I come 'home' on my next visit. Cadishead has changed so much, I will have trouble finding my way back to Mums!!

Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 21:59 GMT

Hi Norma,

The "shuttlecock" was erected about three or four months ago I think. The roundabout is just at the bottom of Victory Road. Have a look on Google Earth. The photo was taken approx 1 year ago, and shows the road under construction.

If you do go to your mums, you wont be able to get through from the top of Victory Road. Its been blocked off with bollards to stop the "rat run" of traffic during rush hour. You would have to go via The Vista and Haig Avenue.


Andrew Smith: 15th Feb 2008 - 21:59 GMT

Cheers for the pictures of Hurst Fold Rob - I remember at school they said they used to have a maypole on the green there, and a fiddle player, hence Fiddlers Lane. I also remember seeing a picture of a turnpike outside the Nags Head.

Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 22:02 GMT

Sorry Norma, by photo I mean the image on Google Earth, not the photo of the shuttlecock


Alan Taylor: 15th Feb 2008 - 22:15 GMT

Hi Norma,
Doubt it very much Norma, the shuttlecock roundabout is practically at the Liverpool Road end Victory Road ;-)
Been averaging 2 emails a day from your mam but none today so far.

Hi Rob,
My last visit to the area the shuttlecock circle had just been opened and I think you could still drive into Victory Road at that time, but may mistaken.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 15th Feb 2008 - 22:16 GMT

Is the library and the post office still at the end of fiddlers lane?

Marissa Chaplin: 15th Feb 2008 - 22:26 GMT

they certainly are Joanne
ps; I am still on the Minor trail ;-)

Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 22:47 GMT

Hi Alan,

You can drive down Victory Road, but only as far as Haig Ave.

Alison, Ive been poking around some more and found a better pic of Hurst Fold.

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Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 23:05 GMT

This is the only picture to exist of the farm run by my great grandfather John Tynan from approx the 1880s. It was called School Farm and was on the corner of Springfield Lane, Vicarage Road. The building on the left was the school masters house which was attached to the end of the Endowed School. It is a very poor photocopy of the original which has unfortunatley been misplaced. Does anyone know if there is a better on in existance tucked away somewhere.


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Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 23:22 GMT

Anyone who used to work at Royles recognise these pics. I took them just before the bulldozers moved in in 1983.

This one is looking down the workshop from the office doors

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This one is looking up the workshop towards the offices

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Rob Tynan: 15th Feb 2008 - 23:52 GMT

I type too quick!! regarding the photo of School Farm, its the building on the right, not the left which was the School Masters house. This was attached to the end of the Endowed School. The building with the central chimney is the farmhouse.

Marissa Chaplin: 15th Feb 2008 - 23:55 GMT

Some more pics from the Advertiser
2nd Irlam Brownies (I am on this!!!!!)
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4th Irlam Brownies
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2 fundraising events in St. Pauls Schoolroom
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I am on this last one aswell, hence why my mum kept this part of the paper.

Rob Tynan: Hi Marissa, Which one are you? Rob

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 00:06 GMT

on the 2nd irlam brownie one, i am 4th from the left on the back row and the last pic i am at the right side of the back row, pulling a stupid face.

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 00:10 GMT

hey Rob, here is a follow up pic to yours of Hurst Fold
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Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 00:12 GMT

2 aerial views of irlam 1928 and 1967
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Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 00:18 GMT

ooo check out this state of the art advert!!!!!!!!!!
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Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 00:23 GMT

The Old St. Pauls Schoolroom, Liverpool Rd
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Joanne Amorello-minor: 16th Feb 2008 - 03:22 GMT

That is where I used to go to sunday school...not seen that for years...

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 16th Feb 2008 - 10:13 GMT

Rob - Thanks for the info, I have checked out the google earth, fascinating stuff. I was back home for a visit in 2004, and I think they had just started cutting off Victory Road, though I am told it is much differnt now. I was only just getting used to the 'new' Cadishead Way! I believe the train from Princes Park looks good at the start of it, a sight I am so looking forward to seeing.

Alan - Nice to hear you and Mum are swapping emails, she is brilliant on the pc, I usually get around 10 messages/jokes per day!

Marissa - you have a nice little archive of photo's happening. The snooker pic, I recognise the guy next to the end on the right, any idea who he is? The last pic of St.Paul's Schoolrooms, my children went to playgroup there between 1987-1990. I started out working there as an assistant carer/childminder just after my daughter started and ended up becoming a 'Leader' for a few years.

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 13:11 GMT

Hi Norma
Sorry, but I havent a clue who they are on the snooker pic, it didnt say.
My younger sister used to go to St. Pauls playgroup but that would have been about 1982/83.
As for my picture collection, I have quite a lot but mostly with my husbands family on, as they have always lived in Irlam, going back to late 1800s.

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 13:14 GMT

That aerial view I posted from 1928, the house I live in now, isnt even built in that pic. :-)

Alan Taylor: 16th Feb 2008 - 20:13 GMT

Hi Marissa,
When they built the Margarine Works Estate then built the roads and laid the services, then built the corner houses, afterwards they built the infills between the corner houses, so there was lots of open spaces, most of Addison Road is shown as built as is a lot of Marlborough Road, Fiddlers Lane [pic only shows moss end] seems to be built upto Hartley Grove, Princes Avenue seems well on its to being completed. Beech Ave and that end of Boundary Road with the Crescent from Princes Ave to Beech Ave looks complete with the Crescent from Beech Ave to Boundary Rd built on one side.
Keep it up Marissa you're refreshing the grey cells, for me anyway.
Also try Virtual Earth at better than google in some areas.

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Feb 2008 - 20:39 GMT

Hi Alan
My house is just on the other side of the "bullring". My in laws moved from Caroline street to Marlborough Rd in 1969 and they are still in the same house. I have a pic somewhere of the front of their house before it was modernised.
Glad you like my input.

Alan: 16th Feb 2008 - 21:39 GMT

I hope you like the Oh Fred sketch as it reminds when we played in the old cemetery near the Broadway estate houses

Alan: 16th Feb 2008 - 21:56 GMT

On the long summer evening we used to play being doctors and nurses and you had a plastic stethoscope that you poked in the most surprising places.

Mary McGinty: 16th Feb 2008 - 22:24 GMT

I have read that this is the hottest UK February since records have started being kept, so maybe you will be seeing a Mediterranean climate sometime in the future..
All the best

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 17th Feb 2008 - 07:35 GMT

Hi Rob,

I was chatting to my Mum this morning, and she said your Mum delivered my sister, Sheila...

We are also having a hot February, but then it is the middle of Summer here!!

Rob Tynan: 17th Feb 2008 - 10:00 GMT

Hi Norma

Yep she probably did. She was midwife in Irlam and Cadishead up until I came along.


Alison: 18th Feb 2008 - 11:04 GMT

Hi Rob

Thanks very much for the picture of Hurst Fold.


Hi Joanne,

My Grandma was Hilda Roberts.

Rob Tynan: 18th Feb 2008 - 21:20 GMT

Hi Alison,

I remember your grandma, she used to come to the band concerts with Steve.


Helen Salmon: 18th Feb 2008 - 21:56 GMT

Hi Uncle Robert!
Loads of family on here I'm pleased to see!

I've been looking through some of the pictures and posts and although some of it is before my time I can picture where it all was. I lived up at the top of Fiddlers Lane near Hartley Grove and Mond Road until I was 8 (almost 24 years ago)
Somebody mentioned Lees Chippy and now I want to go back to Irlam for curry and chips!! They were really addictive!
My mum delivered one of their daughters and I remember going into there once before we started the journey back home and my mum getting a little bit freaked out as the girl was behind the counter and was now an adult!
Is the chippy still there and if it is, is it still owned by them?

Joanne, unfortunately I don't know anything about your family and I was only born in 1976 so I won't have heard about your dad but I sincerely hope that you can find out some information about him.
Good luck with your searching!


Rob Tynan: 18th Feb 2008 - 22:14 GMT

Hi Helen,

Lees chippy is still there, although not run by Lee!! The curry isnt bad, but its not quite the same. Beef curry and rice was my weakness!


Rob Tynan: 18th Feb 2008 - 22:23 GMT

Does anyone from Cadishead remember the piece of land opposite Victory Road between Liverpool Road and the canal. It was owned by someone called Wilkie who it was said, used to chase kids off with a shot gun!! Never happened to me though, and I was always on there


Marissa Chaplin: 18th Feb 2008 - 23:47 GMT

Oooo, Lees Beef curry. Like you said Rob, it's not quite the same, but its still good.

Alan Taylor: 19th Feb 2008 - 14:48 GMT

Hi Rob,
Yes I certainly remember that wilderness and the stories but my time period in there and along the River Glaze to the footbridge that connected Glazebrook to Cadishead over a big rough n wild field which is now a housing estate I believe, was in the mid to late 1950's.

On that note does anyone remember the little sunken cottages at the corner of what was the A57 Manchester Road & Glazebrook Lane, nearest to the Lane was Hankinson's [related] and the other end one was my aunt, can't remember who lived in the middles ones.

How many remember the big slag heap opposite the lane? When we stopped tipping slag there from the steelworks we had to take it to Rixton Old Hall. What's opposite the lane now because I didn't see the slag tip when I last in the area?

Joanne Amorello-minor: 19th Feb 2008 - 17:23 GMT

hello everyone,
well thanks to Marissa going down to the library for me she found the newspaper article about my dad which has details that I wanted to know for so many years, if anyone is interested in seeing this article I will post it just so you see the outcome of what I was asking!!I hope everyone is fine and keeping well!
People are so kind and thanks to Alan and Marissa's hard work I have got information of all kinds about my family from Irlam...
Irlam holds very fond memories for me as a child and growing up and sad ones too but it seems there is still that community spirit which is rare to find nowadays and it is lovely to see.
kind regards....Jo

Rob: 19th Feb 2008 - 18:58 GMT

Rob Tynan: 24th Jan 2008 - 19:06 GMT

I have looked at the picture of the Cooperative shop and it not the shop on the corner of Silver Street as the upstairs windows are completely different and they have never been replaced. I pass the Cooperative shop on the corner of Silver Street frequently so I know I am correct. I suspect the picture is another Cooperative shop and possibly the one facing the Irlam Ship Hotel. Many years ago there were dances held above the Silver Street Coop shop which were a great night out for young and old but nowadays there are few opportunities to socialize without alcohol being sold on the premises.
Mary McGinty

Rob Tynan: 19th Feb 2008 - 19:57 GMT

Hi Mary,

You are right about the co-op. I mentioned on the 25 Jan that I got them mixed up. The windows are different to the one in front of the Ship It also has the garage on the right hand side.

I think the one on the corner of Silver Street has a Gym upstairs now.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 20th Feb 2008 - 01:18 GMT

Hi Joanne,

I'm pleased to hear you have the information you have been looking for. At least now you can find some answers and piece together the early years of your life.... Good Luck.

Alan/Rob, I remember wilkies (though not the shotgun part), and the slag heaps ... We used to get up to mischief there, but I guess some things are best forgotten hehehe.

Joanne: 20th Feb 2008 - 10:10 GMT

Hi Joanne
If you look at the skies high above Irlam tonight you will see a full moon and if you can hear wolves howling on the moss lands scurry home quickly, if you cannot hear anything at all linger for a few minutes and make a wish, and if you are extremely lucky it might come true.
Mary McGinty

Rob Tynan: 20th Feb 2008 - 16:49 GMT

Hi Joanne,

Would very interested to see the article if you want to post it. Glad it has helped you.


Rob Tynan: 20th Feb 2008 - 16:59 GMT

Alan / Norma,

I was told about the cottages on the corner of Glazebrook lane. I think they went before I was born. Perhaps someone has some pics to download?

As for the slag heap, we used to go fishing for newts/frogs and sticklebacks etc. in the pools left behind once the heap was shifted in the mid 70s. The slag heap behind Rixton Old Hall was removed, dug out and used as a land fill site by Peel Holdings I think. It has now been grassed over and bushes planted on it. It does still looks man made though.

Go on Norma, what mischief!!?

Marissa Chaplin: 20th Feb 2008 - 20:18 GMT

This is such a great site for memories and pictures.
Hope you dont't mind Andrew, but I just wanted to mention that I am setting up a forum for those of us who are also interested in the Genealogy side of things. It is called Irlam & Cadishead Ancestors.
So we will then have this place for the pics and great memories and the forum for those who want to share info on our ancestors from Irlam & Cadishead and get help with our family trees.

Andrew Smith: 20th Feb 2008 - 20:59 GMT

That's fine by me Marissa. Sounds like a good idea - all the best with it...

Rob Tynan: 20th Feb 2008 - 20:59 GMT

Hi Marissa,

Great idea. Let us know the details.


Marissa Chaplin: 20th Feb 2008 - 21:00 GMT

Cheers, I will be adding a link to this place, that is for sure!!!

Rob Tynan: 20th Feb 2008 - 21:15 GMT

Hi Marissa,

I have got some quite detailed info including photos of my family tree going back to the early 1800s in Irlam. I would like to trace it back further. Your link should be very interesting.

Keep us posted


Marissa Chaplin: 20th Feb 2008 - 22:21 GMT

Ok, its not great at the mo, but here is the address

Rob Tynan: 21st Feb 2008 - 00:09 GMT

Just been on Marissas site and hopefully put some info on it. If everyone puts on what info they have it should prove quite interesting.


Joanne Amorello-minor: 21st Feb 2008 - 01:52 GMT

Hi Mary, hi Rob, hi Marissa,hi Norma,hi steve...
as much as I would like to go to the mosslands I cannot as I live in Portsmouth!but I shall listen never know my wish may come true..they have an eclipse in northern America with the moon turning red! at 3am their time..would love that!anyway back to Irlam..(sorry I tend to drift!)when I was a young girl I used to ride my bike in summer up the moss it seemed like miles and it was so peaceful I loved it...and also remember Barton Air shows we used to go on the moss to get a better view,my mum got her pilot licence there she was a member there since before I was born.and I remember the red arrows flying really low over our heads it was great!
I just joined your site Marissa...
And I remember walking to school every day my mum used to give me bus fare for the number 10 but I preferred to walk and spend my money at lees chippy!or the shop on liverpool road it was a paper shop almost next to the baptist church...what was or is that shop called and do you know if it is still owned by the same people as in 1986?

Joanne Amorello-minor: 21st Feb 2008 - 02:49 GMT

Cadishead and Irlam Guardian
Fri Dec 3rd 1976
front page Died after overdose

An Irlam man with a "tremendous amount to live for" was found dead after taking an overdose of drugs an inquest heard at Sale yesterday(Thursday)coroner Mr Peter Rivington recorded a verdict of suicide on Mr Roy Edward Minor aged 30 of 69 Ferry Road Irlam.
Mr Minor body was found between the perimiter of the Flixton sewage works and the Manchester ship canal on Nov 2nd tha day after he went missing from his home.Consultant pathologist Dr Bernard Williams said "death was due to asphyia caused by the inhalation of vomit brought about by drug poisoning"Dr Williams added "a very high level far in excess of any theraputic dose" of the drug 'Sinequan'was found in Mr Minor body.
The inquest heard Mr Minor was employed as a security officer with the British steel corporation his wife Susan Minor told the inquest they had been married for 6 years and they had just move to a new home.
Her husband had recently applied to the fire service but was turned down on medical grounds she said.She denied the rejection had made him depressed however,and he was planning to re-apply to the post.
She described Mr Minor as a 'very active man' Mrs Minor said her husband complained of feeling unwell on the day he went missing from his home and decided against going to work. She had a bottle of Sinequin tablets in the house prescribed when she was feeling depressed and when she took a meal to him in bed she noticed his eyes were dilated.
At about 5pm he got up, tidied himself up and went out,recollected Mrs Minor "I thought he was going out to lock the hens up"she said Mrs Minor denied there had been any argument between her and her husband or that there were any problems."I knew everything"she said "He was not the sort of man to keep things bottled up inside" Mr Rivington said "It appeared Mr Minor had a tremendous amount to live for but that it was likely 'something no-one knew about' was disturbing him enormously". He could not believe that the capsules were taken accidently "much against my wishes I feel bound to give a verdict of suicide"

Joanne Amorello-minor: 21st Feb 2008 - 02:53 GMT

Is the paddling pool in the park still there?

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 21st Feb 2008 - 06:05 GMT

Hi Rob,

Mischief, did I say mischief ... hi Mum!!

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 21st Feb 2008 - 06:08 GMT

Hi Joanne,

Such a tragic story, thanks for sharing. I hope it brings you the answers you have been looking for, and may your Dad rest in peace x x

Marissa Chaplin: 21st Feb 2008 - 10:43 GMT

Hi Joanne
That shop (next to hairdressers) near st. johns, was owned by the Smith family. They had 2 children, unfortunately the son was killed a few years back in a tragic accident. Then it was taken over by an Asian family(if thats the correct term), as far as I am aware they may still have it, maybe someone else can help with that. The other shop near there was owned by Ronnie Redshaw (I think thats what his name was). That was a great little shop.

St John the Baptist church : 21st Feb 2008 - 11:16 GMT

Maybe I am getting old and long in the tooth but I can remember Vicar Lee being the vicar at St John the Baptist church and I can remember the shop that is now a ladies hairdressers being a chemist and the newsagents close to St John the Baptist church being owned by a Leslie Sandy and when he retired his son Colin Sandy took over. Colin Sandy also opened a newsagents on the now defunct Irlam Shopping Mall. The Irlam Shopping Mall died from natural causes and was buried deep into the ground where twenty row had stood and perilously suffered the same fate years earlier. Irlam was never chocolate box picturesque as it was harassed by and suffered from the steel manufacturing industrial pollution, but Irlam was beautiful in the sense of its attitude and village atmosphere and its friendly and welcoming residents. I no longer live in the village but occasionally the Irlam memories come flooding back and I drive through Irlam at every opportunity.
Roy Bamber

Alex Price: 21st Feb 2008 - 11:55 GMT

Rememba This From Time Ago When Everyone Used It For Pissing In And People Fell Off It, And When They Put That Fence Round It People Dug A Little Hole Under The Fence So They Could Still Get In Haha, I Got In To Lol.

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Alison: Who remembers the candy floss man?

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 21st Feb 2008 - 19:58 GMT

The house behind the car (on the train pic) belongs to my husbands Aunt and Uncle... how nice it would be to go an knock on their door!!

Joanne Amorello-minor: Thankyou

St John the Baptist church: 22nd Feb 2008 - 10:57 GMT

Hi Roy et al,
Yes I fully recall the two shops as you described and of course William LEE, vicar of St John's. Wm LEE as a young man was engaged to my granny TAYLOR, but alas he did eventually marry her, but to my granddad Len TAYLOR, he also christened me and I still have the card he signed. Vicar LEE was a regular visitor to the Endowed School during my time at that school, 1951-6.image 26001

Joanne Amorello-minor: 22nd Feb 2008 - 14:54 GMT

Didnt one of the shops collect used stamps for charity or something?I seem to remember having a stamp collection as a kid(I know!!)and getting fed up with it and giving them my stamps there were penny blacks in there too!also the man who had the newspaper shop who had it in 1984/5 as I am trying to find him im sure it was les but I cannot recall.I dont remember the candy floss man but I remember the father christmas that came round on his float playing music and lights all round it collecting money! I used to hear it from what seemed miles away and wait in the cold to see him!!those wooden reindeer were great!does that still go? also i dont know if anyone lives in broadway but there was always a girl knocking around that area with a disability in her legs her name was Julie i think does anyone know of her?

Alan Taylor: 22nd Feb 2008 - 18:24 GMT

Hi Joanne,
Perhaps you think of Janet FOWLER who had metal braces on her legs from the polio outbreak in the late 1940's, I believe 9 such people [babies/youngsters] from the Cadishead/Irlam area survived polio and only two of us still live, of course there could be other causes later.

Julie Skidmore : 22nd Feb 2008 - 18:55 GMT

There was a girl called Julie Skidmore who lived on Broadway Estate who wore leg braces but I do not know the reason why. The last we heard of Julie Skidmore was when she was getting married and that has to be in the very late 70s. Julies dad was a policeman and reached the rank of inspector but he moved when he retired. I met Mr and Mrs Mike and Sandra Skidmore at a wedding a long time after they left Irlam about 1990 and we sat together for an hour or so chatting but we never asked about Julie Skidmore.
Roy Bamber

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 22nd Feb 2008 - 20:21 GMT

Father Christmas used to come around Harewood Road when my children were little. My daughter (who is 22 now), was petrified!! We have a different version in Oz, being summer it doesn't go dark until 9-10pm. The local tradition is that "Santa" comes around on the back of a fire engine (with a few firemen hanging off the truck) and throws sweets to all the kids. If you're really lucky they stop the engine and let the kids climb on board. Do you have that in Adelaide Cyril?

Marissa Chaplin: 22nd Feb 2008 - 23:10 GMT

Joanne, the chap who had the newsagents was called Les. Les Smith.
The rotary club still go round every christmas with Father Christmas. Although some of the older kids spoilt it a few years ago, by throwing stuff and they threatened to stop it. Glad they didnt, my youngest loves it.

cyril bagshaw: 23rd Feb 2008 - 07:31 GMT

Hi Norma,
Tradition has it that the city of Adelaide has this Annual Christmas Pageant with these magnificent floats and bands heading the spectacular entrance of Father Christmas and his team of reindeer.
Sorry, but no fire engines or sweets,( probably too busy on call ready for the bushfire season).
The chemist shop next to Sandy's on the corner of Vicarage rd which lead to Irlam Endowed school was for many years run by a gentleman by the name of Jack Pennington.

anon ( 23rd Feb 2008 - 10:20 GMT

Cedric BOOTH well into retirement
Is his family's Lombardian still going?
I recall it being on both sides of the road next to Cadishead bridge.
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Alan Taylor: 23rd Feb 2008 - 11:37 GMT

A few oldies from Irlam.

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Alan Taylor: 23rd Feb 2008 - 13:51 GMT

A few more oldies
The Boathouse
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Irlam Locks showing the completed sluice gates
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Digging their way under the rail bridge
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Marissa Chaplin: 24th Feb 2008 - 01:46 GMT

These are great pics arent they Alan. I take it you have the same book as me. haha!!!!

Alan Taylor: 24th Feb 2008 - 09:06 GMT

That you Cyril, if so send the pictures to me and I will post them in your name M8.

Alan Taylor: 24th Feb 2008 - 09:07 GMT

Hi Marissa,
Three different books, The Salford Council inspired book as you have, another of same size called The Manchester Ship Canal, then a rather older one in A5 size Irlam to 1914 by James GOODIER, basically his take on his family fortunes [misfortunes] and his beloved village.
Had these books several years along with the books on Hollins Green, Rixton, and on Horwich, Bolton. I was pipped at the post a few year back on the WW1 book published by Irlam Council which pictured most of those from Cadishead & Irlam that did not return, unfortunately it doesn't contain those 1916-21 because the council was like most others convinced it would be a short lasting war, I was bidding against a charitable organisation that wanted to ensure the lives lost would not be forgotten. The did kindly photocopy the pages for me and send them to me in payment for the story with picture of my great grandfather whom now is featured on & in the new memorial museum at Thiepval which is open to all but caters for school groups.

Cyril Bagshaw: 24th Feb 2008 - 12:01 GMT

Viewed from our shop about 1970 of Fiddlers lane primary school
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Our young son Brian at the time and now sadly missed having passed away on the 19th january this year is seen ouside the school about to make a snowball for the dog to chase
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posted on behalf of Cyril in Ozz by Alan in Robin Hood Country.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 24th Feb 2008 - 12:53 GMT

Thanks for the last pics... Cyril I was unsure when Brian passed away and didn't want to upset you by asking, now I know. Believe me, life will be different but you will slowly adjust to the changes. I know because I have been there ... I haven't mentioned this before but my husband passed away four years ago.

On a lighter note... we arrived in Oz in May 1995, after leaving a freezing Spring in UK. We expected sunshine and beaches... after being here for one week it snowed - it was the first time in 20 years so all the locals were out celebrating. Five weeks later we moved miles away and the weather followed us, it snowed.... first time ever in this part of town... the local schools closed down for the day so the kids could enjoy this once-in-a-lifetime rarity... my kids begged us not to send them out to play in it!!

cyril bagshaw: 24th Feb 2008 - 13:54 GMT

Hi Norma,
Very sorry to hear the loss of your husband...we hope you too have good family and friends around you.

As for snow in Adelaide, the nearest we got to it was a few years back when we had the heaviest of hailstorms, some, I am not joking, were the size of tennis balls, and we had to re-roof the caravan that was parked outside.

The heaviest fall of snow in Irlam I can recall was in 1940 when the high snow drifts between Barton moss road and Peel Green cut Irlam off for about 7 days. Eccles co-op bakery couldnt get bread through, but Goodiers bakery opposite Silver street,had enough supplies of flour to save the day.

Joanne Amorello-minor: 24th Feb 2008 - 19:02 GMT

Hello Cyril
they are great pics..just how I remember it you remember the nursery there just further down...I went there...
My deepest sympathies for the loss of your son Brian...I didnt realise it was so recent...bless you.
I remember when I was small my dad pushing my sisters big silver cross pram (with one of those seats on the top so I got a ride too) down Fiddlers lane we then went to the grocery shop I think at the top of Silver street/liverpool rd to buy some monkey nuts!!about Julie I think that was her she may have been only a few years older than me...I think I remember her dad being in the police my memory fades.
Looking at the old pics Irlam is such a beautiful place isnt much history...
I love looking at the pics....

Joanne Amorello-minor: 24th Feb 2008 - 19:08 GMT

Hi Norma..

Thankyou for your kind words and may your husband rest in peace

Mary McGinty: 24th Feb 2008 - 22:06 GMT

I can remember the snow falling in Fiddlers Lane and slipping because the council never bothered clearing the pavement. The Fiddlers Lane shop forecourts were salted by the shopkeepers and a gritter wagon would appear once every blue moon on the side streets. Liverpool Road was kept snow free with its heavy traffic flow that continued till they built the by-pass.
Mary McGinty

anon: 25th Feb 2008 - 18:52 GMT

Hi everyone the girl julie some of you mention im 100% sure she lives on the mossvale estate near me

Rob Tynan: 25th Feb 2008 - 19:30 GMT

Does anyone remember Dan and Harry Crask Hair Dressers in Cadishead. From what I can remember as a kid, there was two coal fires and the hair cutting chairs and sinks were at the side of each one. In the waiting room area there was a large bike rack.


Helen Salmon: 25th Feb 2008 - 22:13 GMT

Wow, I remember how much snow we got when we lived in Irlam, I hated it when we moved to Morecambe because the snow never settled due to the high salt content in the air from the sea. I really missed it!

I'm sorry to hear about your son's recent passing. I had read in earlier post that he'd died but I didn't realise that it was so recent. My sympathies.

Thanks for the piccies, it has brought back some good memories...


Cyril Bagshaw: 27th Feb 2008 - 06:33 GMT

Thanks Helen, also to Andrew for producing such an active site for the meeting up with and the enjoyment of old acquaintances and friends.

Cheers everyone.....

Andrew Smith: 27th Feb 2008 - 11:18 GMT

Thanks Cyril - I just added the original post to the site but it's the City Noise team for having such a popular site that should be thanked.
High Google rankings for the wesbite got people here and I have to say it has been splendid to see!

The Irlam weather watcher: 27th Feb 2008 - 12:54 GMT

An earthquake measuring 5.2 on the Richter scale shook England early on Wednesday morning. One man was injured when a chimney fell through his bedroom ceiling and many homes and businesses were damaged by the tremor. The quake's epicentre was near Market Rasen, in Lincolnshire, but people across England said they felt buildings shaking shortly before 1am. Many said the tremors had been strong enough to wake them. "I thought someone was banging on the wall behind me but there was no-one there," he said. A man from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, was taken to hospital after a chimney collapsed and fell into his bedroom. A spokeswoman for South Yorkshire Ambulance Service said: "We had an emergency call to Wombwell, Barnsley. A chimney had come through the bedroom roof." She said the man suffered injuries to his pelvis and was taken to Barnsley District Hospital. She said the service had received only two calls relating to the earthquake - the second was from someone who was frightened. East Midlands Ambulance Service, which covers Lincolnshire, said there had been a lot of emergency calls but no reports of injuries. "Most of them were from elderly people who were quite frightened," a spokeswoman said. The North West Ambulance Service said its crews had reported feeling the tremor from Macclesfield to Southport, but they had not heard of any injuries. Merseyside Police and Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service confirmed they had received reports of tremors but no reports of injuries.

Sheila Hilton: 27th Feb 2008 - 13:08 GMT

Lovely to see all the old photographs of Irlam and Cadishead. I came across this one that I took 2 or 3 years ago when the Boathouse had its most recent makeover. I think I only remember visiting the old pub once and have vague recollections of a warren of tiny rooms.image 26118

Alan Taylor: 27th Feb 2008 - 15:48 GMT

Hi Sheila,
Yes it was as you say, but all the rooms were usually packed with punters though, the atmosphere was perfect. Love the picture many thx for that, maybe because there is so much of my favourite colour in it, is it still your favoured colour or have you changed with age.
I notice no one refers to where you took the picture from as the "Cow Field" anymore and it stretched to the "Jerry Works", the old lot seems to be called 'Jezzies' now.
Whiskey still my favourite tipple but not like it used to be, one shot every couple of weeks now, no more of the "I started the bottle so I'll finish before I go".
If you ever want to post direct just ask your mam, we exchange emails... Take care and keep the pictures coming.

Sheila Hilton: 27th Feb 2008 - 18:52 GMT

Hi Alan, OK, here are a few more pics taken in Princes Park (one of the few days of snow we had a few years ago.) I think maybe you have mistaken me for someone else though. If my mam is e-mailing you it must be from the afterworld!!!!image 26122
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Rob Tynan: 27th Feb 2008 - 22:19 GMT

Hi Alan,

The whole area around what was known as the jerry works, including Kwik Save has been redeveloped. The raised area where the Jerry works existed has been lowered and has been completely built over with apartments and strange looking "tall houses" all squashed together. Prime example of developers making a "quick buck".

The area around Irlam locks has flats and houses on it now as well. The whole area is totally unrecognisable. Luckily the area surrounding the Boat House has so far escaped from this kind of dubious development.


Helen Salmon: 28th Feb 2008 - 13:10 GMT

Hi Auntie Sheila!

I don't know why but I always remember thinking to myself when I was younger "I can't wait until I'm old enough to go in pubs, I'm going to go to the boathouse"! I'm 31 now and I've still not been in!
My mum says that you need a bank loan to buy a drink in there though!
I hope that you and all are well. :-)

Helen xxx

Sheila Hilton: 28th Feb 2008 - 18:11 GMT

Hi Helen,
I think perhaps your mum is exaggerating a little; I've been in the Boathouse several times for a drink and a bite to eat, in the past couple of years and have not found it any more expensive than most other places offering pub grub.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 28th Feb 2008 - 20:04 GMT

Hi Cyril and Joanne, thank-you both. I have support both here and in the UK... x x

Alan - I think you are confusing Sheila Hilton with myself, I have a sister Sheila and it's my Mum you chat with.

Cyril Bagshaw: 29th Feb 2008 - 01:27 GMT

Hi Graham,
If you happen to read this, I am sure you will recognise a couple in the photograph that I have just posted on the "other" Irlam /Manchester page

All the best

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 29th Feb 2008 - 13:08 GMT

I seem to be having alot of trouble getting into here lately. The gremlins must be in Melbourne. I can get on, but no pics available and I get kicked out every few seconds... been like this for a few days now, will keep trying...

Robert Davies: 29th Feb 2008 - 19:38 GMT

Rob, I remember Harry Crask "Hairdressers" I think he only knew two styles Short back and slap and a bowl cut. I used to sit on the wooden plank over the chair arms when my dad took me there

The bike rack? his parting comments were 'anything for the weekend sir' then he'd hire you a bike (i'm joking of course)


Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 1st Mar 2008 - 03:39 GMT

Hi Alan,
I lived off Broadway, and we referred to it as "The Cow Fields" too, I never knew it as "The Jezzies" until my now husband ( from the Estate) called it that one day.

Ian Faulkner: 1st Mar 2008 - 17:24 GMT

Just found this great site. I have only been living in Irlam 25 years now on Silver Street, but have seen many changes.

Alan Taylor: 1st Mar 2008 - 19:57 GMT

Hi Natalie,
Real glad someone else remembers it as the Cow Field & Jerry Works, glad it's not my grey matter Liquefying.
I recall the cow field in the 1950's having 'bomb' craters in line with the locks albeit all grassed over but made great courting hideouts where you could here and see anyone approaching before they saw you - enough said.

Marissa Chaplin: 1st Mar 2008 - 23:53 GMT

Ooooo Alan, letting all your secrets out!!!! haha

Andrew Smith: 4th Mar 2008 - 12:24 GMT

Cyril - it's interesting to hear your memories of the locations of old fun fairs and walks through fields down to the old river - I'd never have guessed as it's always been built up in my mind...

plus the different locations of the shops...from my 1980's version of Fiddlers Lane, Kings sweet shop adjoined the butchers here

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and Bates hardware was where the houses at the top are here (taken from Boundary Road)

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Cyril Bagshaw: 4th Mar 2008 - 13:31 GMT

Great photos on both sites Andrew. Harry Bates's hardware premises were as you quite rightly say, were where the "new" semis are now. As for the butchers shop with the red stripe blind, the adjoining business was Robertson's grocers shop, and the toffee shop was the white building in which the Kingsley family ran with a barbers shop added to the side. Originally, the premises was Frith's newsagency for many years until Kingsley's took it over.

Sheila Hilton: 4th Mar 2008 - 13:37 GMT

My children talked about playing on "the Jezzies". I didn't realise at first that they were talking about the jerry works. It was always the jerry works; never the jezzies when we were younger. We also used to talk about playing on the hills, which was the land at the back of Harewood Road, where the newer houses on that road stand. When we were children there were large holes/craters in the ground and we would collect pieces of corrugated metal or scraps of any old material and make little camps to play in. I don't know whether my memory is correct, but I seem to remember that part of the old river came out from underground at the side of Irlam Elecrtonics and Wrench's butcher shop. Near to where Twenty Row used to be. Is there anybody out there old enough to remember?

Andrew Smith: 4th Mar 2008 - 13:53 GMT

Thanks Cyril - yes you're right about the sweet shop.

Sheila - I don't know whether part of Platts brook, which ends up in the old river, or another stream, used to run where you are describing?

Sheila Hilton: 4th Mar 2008 - 13:58 GMT

Hi Andrew, Platts Brook? That rings a bell. You're probably right.

Alison: 4th Mar 2008 - 16:37 GMT

Gosh ive heard my mum talk about Twenty Row, and she used to call it the jerry works my mum was born and bred in irlam from the Crescent, Barbara Roberts she was till she got married.

Rob Tynan: 4th Mar 2008 - 17:26 GMT

Before the "new road" was built through Irlam in the early 1800s Platts brook was open with a bridge over it. The Old Road, going towards Cadishead, went up Boat Lane, down Ferry Road, up Chapel Road, and back down Vicarage Road before continuing along towards Cadishead.

Platts brook led to the Old River. The most recent work on it happened after the Maypole shopping centre was demolished and the new houses were built. It was culverted using large diameter concrete, (or "corncrete" as they say in Irlam and Cadishead) pipe.


Alan Taylor: 4th Mar 2008 - 17:30 GMT

Andrew, Sheila, Cyril et al,
Platts Brook was a popular play area and it went underground through vertical iron bars and waterfalled about 10 feet under Liverpool Road opposite Ferry Road.
The part that was from where Sandy Lane meets School Lane to around Meadowside Avenue was always fenced off, that area was roughly one hectare square and well fenced & uncultivated, of course it was all hilly fields then with nothing behind 20 Row but a fallow sloping field with an arable field beyond that which led upto Cutnook Lane roughly opposite the primary school which is there now [a social club was there] and the De Traffords was a rough tree & field area with the first houses being Lyndhurst Ave.
Does that sound about right?

Cyril, I remember the butcher as HALLIWELL with the grocery adjoining them as belonging to Mr & Mrs CHARLES, the Halliwell's moved their business to bigger premises the other side of Manchester, with the Charles' retiring. KINGSLEY built on the side yard extending the shop and opening a Barbers shop downstairs and later an hairdresser salon upstairs of the extension, later Hairdressing Salon & Barbers became one upstairs and he knocked through the downstairs to make the "sweet shop" bigger. going into full competition with Roy Bamber or maybe Roy's predecessor.

Rob Tynan: 4th Mar 2008 - 17:55 GMT

Has everyone had alook at Marissa's site, yet.

If everyone puts what ever info the might have in the relevant sections it should build into a a very good source of information regarding Irlam and Cadishead.


Marissa Chaplin: 4th Mar 2008 - 21:35 GMT

Great pics Andrew, I felt like I was experiencing deja vu haha. I walk that way every day talking my youngest to Fiddlers Lane primary and I work there too.

Thanks for the plug Rob

Cyril Bagshaw: 4th Mar 2008 - 23:49 GMT

Hi Sheila
Platt's brook as you refer to did make its way down to the Old River,two sources of run-off water from the Irlam moss met at Liverpool road between Wrenche's butchers and the last shop of Twenty Row which was for many years a chip shop, opposite Ferry road.
The main source came directly off the moss, and the other source ran beside Liverpool road from the direction of the Nags Head actually under an old house, round the back of Twenty Row and met up with the main stream.
It was then piped under Liverpool road, and the ditch ran along the other side of the road taking it eventually to the river.
Big problems used to arrive after heavy rains as it always caused floods there.The ditch was later replaced with proper drainage which solved the problem.

The ditch of course was filled in and the land remained unused until a builder built I think was 3 or 4 lots of semis on it from Ferry road to Ferryhill road right opposite Platt's radio business.
Disaster, after a few years a number of these semis began to sink and sag and were eventually pulled down.


Alan Taylor: 5th Mar 2008 - 00:36 GMT

Hi Cyril et al,
The middle semi's where cleared and left vacant for a few years then I believe a clinic or doctors surgery was built in their place, don't know if this still stands even though I drove past there on Sunday but I was aiming for St John's cenotaph and there was so much that was different and I wanted to visit Irlam War Memorial, Hollinfare Cenotaph & cemetery and get home before darkness back in Robin Hood's Sherwood Forest county, which had been precarious to say the least getting over the Pennines with the blustery high winds that day.

Rob Tynan: 5th Mar 2008 - 00:58 GMT

Hi Alan, Cyril

The doctors surgery is still there. It was originally built as a single storey building, because of the previous subsidence problems. The structure remained in one piece, so they added another storey when a dentists practice was incorporated with the surgery.

Rob Tynan: 5th Mar 2008 - 01:01 GMT

Platts Brook, or as it was originally called, Battlement Brook, can be seen on this 1781 map.image 26254

anon ( 5th Mar 2008 - 20:22 GMT

Hi Rob,
Absolutely fascinating map. Wouldn't it be great if you could just step back in time and see the old Irlam? (except, of course, that there would be huge tracts of land too boggy to walk on).
Sheila Hilton

Cyril Bagshaw: 5th Mar 2008 - 22:50 GMT

Hi Rob,
Thanks for resourcing the old Irlam area map.Even from the small version I believe I can recognise what would be Silver street and Fiddlers lane.It is interesting to see where the Manchester Ship Canal was cut across the bend of the Irwell, leaving the loop that is now the Old River.Also how the road was made from the junction at the Nags Head straight through to Jenny Green.I suppose that would be Sandy Lane turning off from Jenny Green?

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 6th Mar 2008 - 07:57 GMT

Phew, I can finally get back in, it will take days to catch up on all the news...

I remembered that my Mum used to work at a bakery in Irlam when I was little. She said it was from 1964-1969, and was called Whiskins, on 20 row. I think it may be the shop your parents later bought Natalie? Mum said it was next to a greengrocers that became 'paki Pete's boutique' ... the owners then were Brian and Lucy Atkinson and they had a bakery assistant Gerard Grimes. Of all the shops, in all the world....

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 6th Mar 2008 - 12:28 GMT

YES Norma. My Mum and Dad bought *whiskins* off Brian Atkinson in late 1970. We owned it for 10 years. We also owned a grocers ( not green grocers) next door, and sold it to Peter who turned it into a boutique which was known locally as Paki Petes. How funny, after almost 40 years we are here in Oz having chippy together ha ha. By the way, I owe you an email to organise another catch up !

Cyril Bagshaw: 6th Mar 2008 - 13:13 GMT

Hi Norma
Whiskins in Twenty Row were in business there from about the 1930 or so.I lived just across the road in the old cottages, and as a child my mother would send me for 2 ozs of ham or potted meat to "Beattie Whiskins". I had to watch the road looking both ways and there was rarely a movement on the road between the Nags Head and Irlam Church.
I must say though, the narrow road did get busy after the 5 o'clock buzzer blew at the Soap Works or the Margarine Works blew theirs at 4.30.

Graham Kingsley: 6th Mar 2008 - 20:08 GMT

I have discovered quite recently, possibly in the last couple of days that Adelaide Cricket Club have become a Internet Service Provider and competing on the world stage. It does show that the Australians are not hiding behind the American technology and are now going it alone. If you want to check it out the address is

sheila hilton: 7th Mar 2008 - 01:48 GMT

Hi Cyril, Just reading your comments about the margarine buzzers. I remeber the female employees used to go to work with rollers in their hair, covered by a scarf - just like Hilda Ogden in Coronation Street. Plus they wore red and white striped overalls. Can you imagine todays young girls going to work with hair rollers?

Cyril Bagshaw: 7th Mar 2008 - 05:29 GMT

Hi Graham,
Would you be the young lad that played chess with our John all those years ago? I have not found the website sporting an internet providing service that you mentioned, but I will get on my bike, and pedal down there to find out!! ( only kidding)

ryan: 7th Mar 2008 - 13:37 GMT

Hi regarding"image 24968 ""the new skate park behind the baths" can anyone tell me where they are located? and if its still there. if you can email me the info @
thanks a lot .

Aiden Shaw (Irlam): 8th Mar 2008 - 09:33 GMT

I found this web page almost by accident and was just wondering wether anyone on here knows my grandad who passed before i was born his name is Bernard Shaw married Hazel Shaw. My dad used to own the white horse Irlam. Please let me know if you can relate to this article, it means the world to me. :)

Rob Tynan: 9th Mar 2008 - 00:36 GMT

Does anyone from Cadishead remember the River Glaze flooding. The first two pictures are of a flood from the early sixties, the second ones are from the late seventies

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Sheila Hilton: 9th Mar 2008 - 00:40 GMT

Hello Aiden,
I remember Alan Shaw who owned the White Horse until the 80's.

Rob Tynan: 9th Mar 2008 - 00:46 GMT

Does anyone remember the demolition of the Steelworks in 1975(apart from Alan). When they tried to bring the Gasometer down, there were problems. It was stuck in this position for about two weeks.

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Cyril Bagshaw: 9th Mar 2008 - 06:07 GMT

Hi Rob
Really interesting old photos.I can all but see the "back entrance" under the railway to the Steelworks canteen.
I wonder if there were many loyal workers there as my father-in- law was, after spending 50years as he did on the soaking pit furnace, come away on retirement with literally a handshake, and I dont mean golden.
The glow that lit up the night sky when the furnaces opened up, was like a fireball.
Little wonder one or two German bombs hit the area as they were guided up the moonlit Ship Canal on their way to Manchester.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 9th Mar 2008 - 08:39 GMT

My Dad was made redundant from the Steel Works in the early 60's. My sister, who was about 2 at the time, watched Dad put newspaper onto our coal fire and promptly put his redundancy cheque on too... apparently it took about 6 months in those days to get another one printed from the bank!

Alan Taylor: 9th Mar 2008 - 10:30 GMT

Hi Cyril,
That glow would be from one of two sources, when they ran the manganese or pig into the beds aside of the blastfurnaces, was rare really, the other would be from the slag ladles being tipped from the embankment behind the shops/houses on Liverpool Road, the problem always came if we had had heavy rain and the molten slag hit the puddles of water - big bang - broken windows etc, we had perspex windows in the loco that did the slag tipping, too dangerous to have glass windows or no windows, I'm sure Bob [Salmon] can also enlighten on this issue also.
On second thoughts when an oven [coke] was pushed this would also light up the sky at night, but you would never see any glow from the steel furnaces because these were under cover.

Rob Tynan: 9th Mar 2008 - 11:41 GMT

Hi Alan,

Don't butt out!! its facinating!


cyril bagshaw: 9th Mar 2008 - 11:48 GMT

Hi Alan
Father-in-law once showed me "his" soaking pit. Looking down into that gas heated pit watching with what had to be an experienced eye the"cooking"(bringing up to an even temperature) those giant steel ingots that earlier been poured,they had to be got ready to be rolled out on the rolling mills without bursting.that was some hot job.
An uncle of mine got a badly burned leg when molten steel splashed into his cabin of the crane he was working.Not much in the way of compensation in the 30's.
I reckon you are right about the coke oven glow.


Alan Taylor: 9th Mar 2008 - 13:40 GMT

Rob, I was just meaning to take a back seat to let others jump in with their memories etc knowing an ex work colleague is on this board - Hiya Bob.
Cyril, my uncle (Bill Caufield) was the foreman scaler in the soaking pits. Those ingots would usually still be liquid in the centre and the soakers job as you say was to get them to an even temperature for rolling which meant he had to recognise if an ingot required cooling before reheating. Charlie? Higginbotham of 37/79 Fiddlers Lane was one of the overhead crane drivers for the soaking pits, it was his crane that dropped off one of his tracks, put the fear of god up him at the time. Just imagine Cyril with 4 of those ingots stood upright and 3 foot away another square of 4 stood upright that are glowing whitish red and then being trapped in between them trapped by your foot under a bogie wheel, can't be sure but a loaded bogie weighed 50 ton, = 15 ton bogie + 10 ton bottom plate + 4 x 6 ton ingots, each mould weighed 6 ton if the ingots hadn't been stripped. That was just one of several clashes with near death that I can recall, but we saw no reason for fear, it was a just a normal job, after all being born n bred in Irlam/Cadishead which was a steel town, steel/iron is in the blood, just like around here the pit workers have no fear of working the coal face miles below ground level and say noway would they work on a steelworks.

Alan Taylor: 9th Mar 2008 - 13:41 GMT

Rob, I was just meaning to take a back seat to let others jump in with their memories etc knowing an ex work colleague is on this board - Hiya Bob.
Cyril, my uncle (Bill Caufield) was the foreman scaler in the soaking pits. Those ingots would usually still be liquid in the centre and the soakers job as you say was to get them to an even temperature for rolling which meant he had to recognise if an ingot required cooling before reheating. Charlie? Higginbotham of 37/79 Fiddlers Lane was one of the overhead crane drivers for the soaking pits, it was his crane that dropped off one of his tracks, put the fear of god up him at the time. Just imagine Cyril with 4 of those ingots stood upright and 3 foot away another square of 4 stood upright that are glowing whitish red and then being trapped in between them trapped by your foot under a bogie wheel, can't be sure but a loaded bogie weighed 50 ton, = 15 ton bogie + 10 ton bottom plate + 4 x 6 ton ingots, each mould weighed 6 ton if the ingots hadn't been stripped. That was just one of several clashes with near death that I can recall, but we saw no reason for fear, it was a just a normal job, after all being born n bred in Irlam/Cadishead which was a steel town, steel/iron is in the blood, just like around here the pit workers have no fear of working the coal face miles below ground level and say no way would they work on a steelworks.

Marissa Chaplin: 9th Mar 2008 - 14:43 GMT

This is great reading, carry on guys!!!!

Rob Tynan: 9th Mar 2008 - 19:56 GMT

Hi Alan, Cyril,

Where was the office block pictured on page 39 of " The Archive Photographs series, Irlam and Cadishead, Compliled by Marion Beeston?


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 9th Mar 2008 - 21:29 GMT

Hey, I don't care who the author is, as long as the info keeps coming. You guys have fantastic memories and a good eye for detail..... My grandad (Frank Bolton), worked at the Steel works, I think early 50's but not sure on dates. My other grandad (Tommy Gillet), was a bricklayer at the coalmines in Wales before moving to Manchester, (they settled in Cadishead in the early 40's). What a pity I didn't hear any of their stories when they were still alive.

Cyril Bagshaw: 9th Mar 2008 - 21:58 GMT

Hi Rob
On the last of your photos, you can just about see at the edge on the left, a little opening cut under the railway that led into LSC (British Steel). I never worked at the Steel Works myself but on the 2 visits there, I seem to recall the offices as the first buildings you come to having gone under the bridge. Anyway, I am sure Alan must have a detailed plan tucked away somewhere.

By the way, is this website getting a bit harder to load up, as I have on a couple of occasions posted, and not really known if it had succeded or not having taken ages to load up, and by reposting got me a double entry.


Rob Tynan: 9th Mar 2008 - 23:18 GMT

Hi Cyril,

Yes, its been a bit slow at times!!

On the 29th Feb you mentioned to Graham about "the other Irlam/Manchester page" Could you let us know its address>



Helen Salmon: 9th Mar 2008 - 23:42 GMT

Hi Rob,
The other Irlam/Manchester page is:

Best Wishes

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 10th Mar 2008 - 00:03 GMT

Wow! My Uncle Cyril (Bagshaw) put me onto this site and I have just spent the last hour reading all the comments. My mum (Edith Jaques) was born in Irlam and my dad (Jim Massey) in Cadishead. My Nanna & Grandad Jaques (Venice and John) lived in The Cresent for 50 years. My nanna was a Taylor (Jessie Venice, born 1909)... any relation to you Alan? Her father was John and mother Jessie (Wood). Nanna was born in a cottage on Fiddlers Lane called "The White House". Her grandfather was Thomas Taylor who lived in Lords Street, Cadishead in 1880's. My dad's parents, Amelia and Richard Massey lived in Oak Ave in Cadishead. If anyone remembers any of my family members or has any stories to tell I would love to hear them. In the mid 70's I lived on Broadway for about 2 years and attended Irlam High, but have lived in Australia for most of my life. I now enjoy life on the sunny (ha! it has felt like Irlam these past weeks with all the rain!!) Gold Coast in Queensland. While my beloved nanna was still alive I asked her to write down some of her memories of her childhood. Here is a little of what she wrote. If anyone is interested in more I shall be happy to share... "Our cottage was on Fiddlers Lane, a very narrow, winding lane. There was a thatched cottage before our cottage and next to us an orchard, then a farm with just a pump for water, set in cobble stones. There was another farm across the road, then one little street and then four houses and six small cottages, then just fields until you got to the top. Here was the "Big House", as we called it, where the squire of our little village lived, with four servants and a farm. He used to ride down the lane in horse and carriage every Sunday morning, dressed in his tall shiner "Hat and Frock-coat" and raised his hat to our parents if he saw them. He used to have parties on the lawn at his house, and we children used to peep through the hedges at the bottom of our lane to see the women's dresses."
Thanks to those who started this website... I love the history of my families "home". I know my grandparents would have loved to have joined the 'chat'...

Rob Tynan: 10th Mar 2008 - 00:10 GMT

Hi Deb,

Keep posting any more memories of your grandparents.


Rob Tynan: 10th Mar 2008 - 00:11 GMT

Thanks Helen, never new that site existed!!


Alan Taylor: 10th Mar 2008 - 00:30 GMT

Thinking of Liverpool Road travelling towards Cadishead you had Tramway Road running diagonal from it to the railway embankment which had a 'tunnel' through to the side of the steelworks main entrance then from Liverpool Road just after going under both rail bridges another road on your left ran diagonal back to the point where Tramway Road met it from under the railway - this is where the main gates were with a gatehouse separating the 'in' & 'out' gates, the main offices were immediately on your right as you went in using the 'out' gate.
Hope that helps.

Rob Tynan: 10th Mar 2008 - 00:46 GMT

Hi Alan,

So the offices were at the top of Cooper Rd? Just had a look on an old A to Z.


Alan Taylor: 10th Mar 2008 - 01:34 GMT

That's Rob, couldn't remember the name Cooper Road.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 10th Mar 2008 - 10:03 GMT

Hi Deb,

I was at Irlam High from 1974-79 in the 'CT' classes. My Grandparents lived on Buckingham Road (C'head) for 20+ years, before moving to Oak Avenue mid 60's I think. Grandad (Tommy) passed away in 1975 and Nana (May) in 1978. I also live in Oz now in Melbourne, and after a few days of 30+ (39 today), I would love a bit of your rain!!


Mary McGinty: 10th Mar 2008 - 11:28 GMT

the fields close to Glazebrook Lane are protected from the raging winds by the flimsy fencing and the new born lambs were out and about today and seemed to be enjoying the blustery and gusty weather. The high winds forecast is still on the weather forecast for tomorrow so we are keeping our fingers and our legs crossed. The windy gusty squally breezy storm has been noisy and threatening but have not read of any destruction

Deb Simpkins: 10th Mar 2008 - 11:37 GMT

Hi Norma,
as I remember it, Oak Ave wasn't very long so I wonder if our grandparents knew each other? I will ask my dad and see if he remembers Tommy and May.. Bolton... was it?. My family live in Adelaide and are also suffering in extreme temperatures at present, while we here in Qld have had a very cool and very wet summer! I was at Irlam High in 77/78. Mr Sealy was Headmaster (remember his black cape??!!), and I also remember Mrs Hancox (music teacher). She sticks in my memory because I was in a couple of the school musicals, and also because we had a snowball fight against the teachers during my first winter and she was a part of that (quite out of character I thought!!). My stay in Irlam was brief but memorable. I learn't very quickly to say I supported MUFC!! My grandad took me and Stephen (my brother) for walks up the Moss. Grandad loved that area and would tell us all about the local plants and what they could be used for - e.g. cumfry leaves to help ease our eczema. We would sometimes venture there with my cousin Brian (Bagshaw), and walk along the rail tracks, waiting for a train to come so we could put coins on the tracks! Well, I could talk on forever, but I have a 17 year old son hassling me for the computer (a recent lightning strike 'cooked' our other one!) so I will sign off for now.
Great to talk and 'meet' you!
Cheers, Deb.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 10th Mar 2008 - 19:38 GMT

Hi Deb,

Sorry, my grandparents surname was Gillet (Mum's parents)... There was a girl who came from South Africa (with her family), and stayed with her grandparents on Oak Ave, for 12 months, she was in my class at school. I think it was about 74/75. I remember "Cecil" or "Batman" well (Mr Sealy)... ater you have been sent to him a few times for mis-behaving, he isn't as scary as we first thought!! My brother and sister were in the school orchestra. I also remember the snowball fight with the teachers.
Nice chatting with you.

Oh and by the way - there is only ONE team to support, go Man U!!! My son's room is full of memorabilia - curtains; doona cover; signed balls; shirts; autographs (beckham x 3), even a hand-written birthday card from Eric Cantona...

Rob Tynan: 10th Mar 2008 - 23:28 GMT

Keep trying Al, We need your input


Cyril Bagshaw: 11th Mar 2008 - 12:25 GMT

Hi Deb
I hope Alan manages to fix his new anti-spam ( I always thought it came out of a tin) and you can trade info.
Your cousin Venice and her husband Val James of Cadishead descent have had a night out with us tonight, and has brought me a photo of my old home in Claybank Cottages on Liverpool road.
I am really glad that the bulldozers haven't wrecked another of the old landmarks in the village.
I do not know when exactly they were built, but I do know that there were pig sties behind the properties in Queen Victoria's time, and that when my parents rented it in 1925, there were large hooks still embedded in the ceiling where they used to hang the pigs for bacon. YUK !!!

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Best wishes Cyril....

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 11th Mar 2008 - 12:32 GMT

Hi Alan,
I agree with Rob, please keep trying... and I am keen to know what your response to me is.... my email is if you don't have any luck here.

Norma, my dad didn't recognise your grandparent's names, but is sure his mum (who passed away last year) would have known them.

With regard to Royles he had this to say... "Those photos of Royles and the Steelworks bring back memories, I worked at both,48/49 at Royles as an apprentice electrician in theory, as an apprentice dogsbody in practice.One of the photos of Royles is an outside view showing the name across the roof line, I painted the metal letters, quite a thrill clambering on the roof at age 17, after all I had spent 2 years at art school. A new factory was built whilst I was there and the Electrician and I did all the wiring for about 50 machines, We built a scaffold on wheels, my idea, to conduit all the cables above the machines, I guess the installation stood the test of time for 25 years.Allan Royle was head of the Co. at the time,He lived across the CUT, [canal] Urmston I think, someone was asking for info in one of theEmails, thats all I know, closest I got to him was when he did a tour of the factory at christmas and shook everyones hand,oh and I did play in his cricket team in the annual match against Urmston Grammar Staff.
50/53 I finished my apprenticeship at the Steelworks, millions of pounds were spent rebuilding the place whilst I was there under a privatisation scheme,again raised to the ground 25 years later, at least Woodford aerodrome still stands I think. I would like to know how many of the Guys from that Era are still sucking air, in particular those from the Soccer team, I have a photo which I will try to attach, maybe someone from Noise will recognise one or two of them although I think we will be one generation ahead of those contributing."
(ps: The photo of the soccer team was not attached so I will chase it up. Bye for now, Deb.)

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 11th Mar 2008 - 12:37 GMT

Hi Uncie Cyril,
thanks for the info and photo - will add it to my collection!

Steve Weir: 11th Mar 2008 - 14:55 GMT

Hope Graham Bate is still following the thread,hope your Mum is doing well & I here from your Steven once in a while.
Sorry to here about Brian, Cyril....
There's been a lot of talk about fiddlers lane...there used to be a nursery there. I liberated my brother & sister from there one summers day, just opened the gate & the great escape was on....!

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 11th Mar 2008 - 23:05 GMT

Hi Rob, not sure if you rec'd this message from was part of an email he sent me. Cheers, Deb.
Rob, another of Andrew's local sites is also at ...


Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 12th Mar 2008 - 03:09 GMT

Hi Debbie,
I remember when you and Stephen first arrived from Australia and lived on Broadway up near the Boathouse end. I went to school and hung around with stephen. He had sunbleached blonde hair and a great tan for a 13 yr old kid.( We lived on Farnham Drive) We were friends with a dark haired lad from Broadway (cnr Marston drive) who also had an Austaralian accent< I can't remember his name though. There was also a girl who moved to Cadishead from Oz called Gail Greer. I remember them as it was at the time we were waiting to hear back from emigration. We have lived here since July 1980

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 12th Mar 2008 - 07:13 GMT

Hey Nat, Deb and I worked with Gail Greer at the margarine works in 1983...

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 12th Mar 2008 - 07:24 GMT

Hi Natalie,
I will let Stephen know you remember him. He lives in Adelaide with partner Cath and daughter Jessica. In what part of Aus do you live?
(ps: Norma must be referring to another Deb who worked at the margarine works with her. - we only stayed in the UK for 2 years before my mum (sun worshipper) moved us back to Aus!)

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 12th Mar 2008 - 07:40 GMT

Here is something I found about Irlam & Cadishead amongst my paperwork. Not quite sure how I came by it - it may have been amongst my Nanna Jaques'stuff. Hope it is of interest...
ps: I am loving this site! Thanks to those who organised and are mainting it!

Deb Simpkins (nee Massey): 12th Mar 2008 - 07:46 GMT

OOPS!! I wonder where I put that document??!!! - I obviously need an inservice on attaching photos/docs to this site... I used the 'upload photos' link and it all seemed to process okay.... hmmm... await any advice, cos I also have a few photos and newspaper clippings I would like to attach.
Cheers, Deb

Editor: 12th Mar 2008 - 13:48 GMT

Only photos can be uploaded- not documents, etc. Instructions on how to upload photos can be found here:

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 12th Mar 2008 - 19:41 GMT

Hi Deb,

Just to fill you in - sorry I didn't think about others not knowing who I was referring to...

I met Natalie via this site and we soon realised that I was at school with her brother. Also my best mate Deb, who used to live off Broadway (and now lives here), is Nat's husbands cousin. We all live in Melbourne and have caught up a couple of times. I agree this is a great site.

Norma x

Marissa Chaplin: 13th Mar 2008 - 00:21 GMT

This place just gets better and better, you have some fantastic info Deb. I love your nannas memories.
Cyril, I never realised those were Claybank cottages, so thanks for that.

Cyril Bagshaw: 13th Mar 2008 - 06:51 GMT

Hi Marissa
There was a reason it was named as such, because that piece of ground they were built on and the land stretching back to where it meets Boat lane, has only a couple of feet of soil on top, then you hit this huge bed of clay.
To give you some idea , come 1938/9 most houses were given a corrugated iron kit that we had to assemble to form an air-raid shelter for the families. To complete the process, we first had to dig a rectangular pit about 3 to 4 feet deep.After the first few spades down we hit the clay and it took ages to get anywhere near the depth required. However, job done,we bolted all the sheets together and then covered the whole thing with a mound of soil ( hopefully to make it bomb proof !!!) and then waited for the first air raid siren .Panic.!!! the siren sounded in the middle of the night, piled into the shelter.... up to our knees in water thanks to a beautiful waterproof swimming pool..Here endeth the lesson!!!

The farm that was at the corner of Boat Lane owned by the Goodier family was called also ClayBank Farm, likewise the service station come car showroom on Liverpool road adjacent was Claybank Garages.

Best wishes Cyril.....

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 13th Mar 2008 - 07:53 GMT

Hi Marissa,
a little more from Venice...
"When I was about 5 years old I lived at No.3 (The White House), Fiddlers Lane. I had a happy childhood until my mother died. She doted on me and I was spoilt. I had a friend in the farm across the road called Elsie Royale, we were about the same age and always together. I remember one day my mother was stood talking in the garden to the lady next door, Mrs Pitt. They were talking sadly about a big ship being sunk with all on board - it was the Titanic. The 1914-1918 war had just begun and some said a German U-boat had sunk her, but others said it had hit an iceberg."
Hope to have attached a photo of Nanna (dark hair) with Edie and 2 children, taken in Irlam about 1925...
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Alison: 13th Mar 2008 - 10:25 GMT

Hi Cyril

My mum definately remembers you barbara whitelegg (roberts) she lived on the crescent then moved to marlborough road she worked in a shop on fiddlers lane and we all went to fiddlers lane school she is 64 now

Marissa Chaplin: 13th Mar 2008 - 11:45 GMT

Thanks Cyril and Deb. So very interesting. We need all this info (and pics, deb) on the Irlam & Cadishead Ancestry forum.

Rob Patten: 13th Mar 2008 - 16:35 GMT

Just to add there are photos of the refurbished train on the Cadishead Way bypass on the Salford web site:

Under 'Photographs 2005' the second and third links show it in its new paint.

There is also a site dedicated to loco trains at:

With 'before' and 'after' shots of the Irlam/Cadishead train. I took a photo some time ago of the train on Cadishead Way and they published it on their site, but they seem to have replaced it with another shot now by Graham MacFall. My claim to fame shot down so quickly!

Bob Salmon: 13th Mar 2008 - 18:48 GMT

A bit late, sorry, my internet connection broke down.

Hi Alan

You are correct with what you say about the sky lighting up.

Having worked in all the areas that could light up the sky, I will endeavour to estimate what effect they had.

A History of Light Emitted by a Steel Works

Tapping a furnace on Number One Steel Plant:
Because this building was very long, little escaped, but some light escaped, (not a lot but most of it went sideways, not up) if the resultant slag was tipped soon after the furnace was tapped. The longer it was left the less it lit the sky because it steadily lost its heat. Teeming the steel, then stripping the moulds off afterwards caused a small amount of light to go sideways.

Tapping a furnace on Number Two Steel Plant:
This was a shorter building, but the escaping light was slightly more than Number One Steel Plant. The slag was tipped a bit quicker, so there was a bit more heat/light. Plus the furnaces were bigger, so there was more steel/slag/light in proportion.

Tapping a Blast Furnace:
There was more opportunity for light to escape when tapping a Blast furnace as opposed to a steel furnace. Where the iron came out was only covered by a comparatively small building. There are a number of things that were done with the liquid iron from a blast furnace.
It could be taken to one of the steel plants, to be purified into steel. The light that escaped was negligible.
It could be run onto one of the pig-beds where it would go cold. It would then be broken up and stocked for future use. This would create a lot of constant light that would die as it cooled.
Manganese was periodically made; this was usually run onto a pig-bed adjacent to the Blast Furnace. This also would create a lot of constant light that would die as it cooled.

Tapping the slag off a Blast Furnace:
A Blast Furnace created a lot of slag, so it had to be tapped off every few hours and there was usually about three slag pans full. All three were tipped as soon as possible because there were few spare ones for the next lot of slag. This was the biggest cause of the sky lighting up, I think most people will recognise the sky lighting up three times in about five minutes as each one was tipped, it usually spread over a fair sized area and glowed from red, through yellow to white hot. If there was water where it was tipped, the water instantly turned to steam and tried to escape from under the slag causing an explosion that transporting the glowing slag for a fair distance.

Pushing an oven on the Coke Ovens:
Coal in the form of “slack” was put into one of a series of “ovens” and burnt, but only so far. As it was being burnt, it gave off various chemicals and gasses. The gas, (towns gas), was used to heat the Blast Furnaces, Soaking Pits etc. The gas was stored in a geometer, and I am sure you have all seen the pictures of how NOT to knock a geometer down. When the coal had been “cooked” enough, (it is now coke), it was pushed out into a hopper, the hopper was then taken to the quenchers to have water squirted on it to put the fire out. It then was stocked for use in the Blast Furnaces.
This process took place about every 10 to 15 minutes and caused a fair amount of light in the sky.
I once drove a locomotive that replaced the hopper car when it broke down. It was one of the worst shifts of my time at the Steel Works, I was continually on the go and on very greasy track due to all the water and other things, when I put the brakes on I had to do it very carefully or risk a nasty accident. It was not very good for the nerves.
I suppose that British Rail would have said that it was the wrong sort of water?

The light from the Soaking Pits and Rolling Mills did not escape very much as they were enclosed in very large buildings.

Have you ever thought: basically, you take iron oxide, (rich in oxygen), then you add heat and carbon (coke) to get rid of the oxygen and get usable iron (rich in carbon). Then to turn that iron into steel you add heat and oxygen to get rid of the carbon. Rather odd is it not.

Slag was very nasty stuff, if you got burnt with it, it was almost guaranteed to fester.

It is a bit windy, but?

Sheila hilton: 13th Mar 2008 - 21:37 GMT

Hi to Deb,
Just read your comments about Elsie Royale and a Mrs Pitt. When I was a little girl, there was a Miss royale who had the (tiny) shop next door to the Nags Head Hotel (now a takeaway pizza shop). I used to go there with my Grandma when she went shopping.I wonder if it was the same lady? I'm pretty sure she was named Elsie. Across the road, direcly opposite the pedestrian crossing near the library and post office was a Temperance bar called Pitts. We used to buy 'dandelion lollies' from there that cost 3d in old money. Funny the detail you remember!
Sheila Hilton

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 13th Mar 2008 - 22:38 GMT

Hi Uncie Cyril,
mum isn't sure which picture I have posted, but thinks the lady with nanna may be Alice not Edie... she said Ellen may know. Does she also have any idea who the children are?

Marissa, will put info and pics on other site also.

Sheila, I would say is was the same Elsie... oh how I wish my nanna were here to enjoy this forum!

Rob Tynan: 13th Mar 2008 - 23:20 GMT

Hi Bob,

Is there any chance you could put some of your memories eg the Bobs Ferry accident and your recent account about the steelworks onto the

We are trying to build the forum up into a one stop resource for the history of Irlam and Cadishead. Your memories will make an interesting addition.



Helen Salmon: 14th Mar 2008 - 12:59 GMT

Hi Rob,

My dad (Bob Salmon) actually flew out to Tenerife this morning and won't be back for a week!
I'm sure when he returns he will add some bits onto the site though. I've given him my login to use so what this space!

Best Wishes,

DAVE: 14th Mar 2008 - 14:03 GMT

I am curious about because there is absolutely nothing there besides tons of spam and empty forums with generic headings and no entries and content that duplicates everything already on this thread. What gives?

Rob Tynan: 14th Mar 2008 - 17:21 GMT

Hi Dave,

Try again now. We have just had a problem with "a mass spam attack" so it probably wasnt working properly while we we deleting.


Rob Tynan: 14th Mar 2008 - 17:28 GMT

Hi Dave again,

Dont forget that has only just been set up and needs members to fill in the blank spaces. So please add whatever you have so it can grow into a useful resource regarding the history of Irlam and Cadishead.


Marissa Chaplin: 14th Mar 2008 - 22:50 GMT

Hi Rob, not so much what spammed us but who. To know whats on the forum, you have to be a member!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marissa Chaplin: 14th Mar 2008 - 22:54 GMT

Dandelion lollies!!!! sounds interesting sheila. By the way, why were they called Temperance bars?

Rob Tynan: 14th Mar 2008 - 23:14 GMT

Hi Marissa,

Temperance bar means no alcohol is served. The were set up by the Temperance movement which advocated a alcohol free lifestyle. Just like me? not!


Marissa Chaplin: 14th Mar 2008 - 23:27 GMT

haha, as if I would believe you anyway.
The earliest I remember opposite the nags head was Pixies sweet shop, bookies, florist and a butchers.

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 15th Mar 2008 - 02:03 GMT

my dad (Jim Massey) has asked if I could post this...
"A few names from early days I would like to hear about, Roger Lovell, Bill Waterman, Tommy Blinston, Madge Attenborough, Mary Twinning, Gordon Dennison just a few from early school days, where are they now?"
If anyone has any info he/we would love to hear it.
ps: have joined the "oldirlamvillage" website and am posting my nanna's and dad's memories there.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 15th Mar 2008 - 09:20 GMT

Hey Rob,

Do you remember Maddens temperance bar? I used the word a few months ago and my kids looked at me as though I had two heads!

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 15th Mar 2008 - 09:42 GMT

Does anyone remember a disco in Cadishead? I think it was called Chains and was above the old Co-op? I used to dream of going there when I was a 'grown-up' and just when I hit my teens and could have snook in, it closed down!!

We have a brilliant Northern-Soul thing happening over here. Many UK people gather every 2 months at a venue and play all the real soul/tamla stuff. Many went to Wigan Casino (another dream of mine). Even though we are in our 40's and 50's there are still some pretty good movers out there. I must admit, I am always stiff the next day!! We flew to Queensland in Nov and theirs was fantastic. Can you imagine (in UK) going overnight to Spain/Germany just to have a dance? The best thing is, you meet nice people who become friends... we 'poms' are taking over!!

Rob Tynan: 15th Mar 2008 - 16:51 GMT

Hi Norma,

I remember Maddens Newsagent/ sweet shop in cadishead. I'll look into Maddens Temperance bar. Probably before my time!! He He

Where was it?


Sheila hilton: 15th Mar 2008 - 18:08 GMT

Hi Marissa,
The shop you referred to opposite The Nag's Head called Pixies was actually the Temperance bar where the dandelion lollies were sold. 'Pixies' is just a corruption of Picks' (Picks's).
My husband, Mike, used to go in Chains after 'throwing out' time from the pub, when he was in his teens. Will ask him about it when he gets back.

Sheila hilton: 15th Mar 2008 - 18:17 GMT

Marissa, - my mistake (sp). The shop was called Pitt, (therfore became Pitts's)

Marissa Chaplin: 15th Mar 2008 - 19:06 GMT

Ah right, funny how things get changed over the years, just by a slip of the tongue. Thanks Norma, I am learning something new everyday on here.

Marissa Chaplin: 16th Mar 2008 - 13:49 GMT

oops I meant Sheila, sorry!!!!! had a long day yesterday.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 16th Mar 2008 - 19:45 GMT

Hi Rob,

There was Martins newsagents opposite the Wesleyan Church, then there was Hancocks newsagents further down near The Plough pub. Maddens (sp?) temperance bar was in the middle of these, next to the launderette, on the same row as Bill Pinder butchers and Williams grocers.

Before your time..... hmmm


Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 17th Mar 2008 - 00:16 GMT

Hi Deb,
I live in Melbourne...........a very hot Melbourne at the minute.Are you still in Irlam? The photo of the 2 girls with the 2 children circa 1925 where in Irlam do you think it was taken?

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 17th Mar 2008 - 02:13 GMT

Hi Natalie,
I too am an 'Aussie' girl now and live on the Gold Coast! (It seems you're getting all our sunshine... and we're getting all your rain!)
Not sure where the photo was taken - I will see if any of my "mob" know.
Cyril - does Aunty Ellen know by any chance?

Marissa Chaplin from Laura Young (not that you know me!) : 17th Mar 2008 - 19:43 GMT

Hello! I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for posting these pictures!

Marissa, I am now 31 and living in Baltimore, Maryland, USA and was just looking on the internet for some pictures to stick on my office wall, and found this site - and there I am, on the front row next to Tawny Owl / Miss Winstanley in your picture! I recognise a lot of the other girls but can't remember their names.

I loved seeing everyone else's pictures of Irlam also, especially the park, and the smelly train! I used to spend hours playing tennis with my friends next to that now graffitied wall. I recently went home to my nana's funeral and found lots of old pictures, although her side of the family were from Barton/Patricroft. That visit (and the time before, for another funeral sadly as well, my grandpa) we were looking more for pictures of people, not places, but I will have to have a look among my mum and dad's collections sometime to see if I can add anything.

My gran, my now only surviving grandparent, is apparently working on her memoirs. She is a bit of a character and full of funny stories and although I don't think it will be anything she plans to publish it will be great for her kids and grandkids to read. I used to go walking the dogs with her all the time around Irlam locks and near the Boathouse, where some others of my family lived, so it was great to see those pictures. I will have to see if she has any old pictures of Irlam too.

Thanks again,

Laura Young : 17th Mar 2008 - 19:45 GMT

Sorry, I meant I am in the 4th Irlam Brownies picture.

Laura Young : 17th Mar 2008 - 19:56 GMT

My gran calls that area "The Cow Fields" too...

Cyril Bagshaw: 18th Mar 2008 - 00:51 GMT

Hi Deb
Your aunt ( born 1929) can only identify her Mum and Aunt Edie,and the photo was probably taken in the garden of the newly built Princess avenue houses opposite the Margarine works entrance. The houses in the background seem to be the also new houses of Beech Avenue facing the canal.

P>S> The elder of the children could be your Aunt Alice.

Cheers Cyril.....

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 18th Mar 2008 - 01:47 GMT


Natalie - did you see Cyril's reply (above) about the photo I posted and where it may have been taken?

Cheers, Deb.

Marissa Chaplin: 18th Mar 2008 - 11:24 GMT

Hi Laura
Glad you liked the pic, fancy coming on here and seeing yourself. To be honest I had forgotten I had those pics, until I was looking for some stuff for family tree research.I went to 2nd Irlam Brownies at Irlam Primary, then the guides at Irlam Endowed.
Have you seen the link further up for the forum I have set up? You are more than welcome to join.

Sheila hilton: 18th Mar 2008 - 12:16 GMT

Reading through Marion Beeston's book 'Irlam & Cadishead' I noted that when Irlam Hall was demolished, 'there were some features well worth preserving. These included the especially fine carved front door.' Does anybody out there know if they are still in existence and if so, where they are kept?
To Deb,
When you relayed some of your nana's memoirs you mentioned the 'big house'. I think it was Alan somewhere asked if it was Irlam Hall, but I think maybe it was more likely to have been Crossfield House in that area, owned by the Gleave family. Irlam Hall was not near to Fiddlers Lane. Maybe somebody knows more about it?
Cheers, Sheila.

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 18th Mar 2008 - 13:34 GMT

Hi Sheila

Thanks for telling me about this site, brings back many memories of Irlam and Cadishead.
Someone mentioned Tramway Road Irlam, which lead to the Steelworks. This was where may dad, Thomas O'Reilly had an allotment. Quite a few people had allotments on this site. Many's the time the police came to our front door , 68 Caroline Street, to tell my dad that his pigs were loose and running along Liverpool Road! What a job it was catching them and taking them back to the allotment. These pigs were sent to the slaghterhouse, I would never eat bacon as a child in case I was eating a piglet that I had seen born and helped to feed.My dad also kept chickens and turkeys, which he would sell locally. We had to pluck and gut these! Have some pictures somewhere of the allotments, will find them and post them onto this site

Cyril Bagshaw: 18th Mar 2008 - 13:41 GMT

Hi Norma
One of the week's highlights during and for a few years after the war, was the saturday night dances held above the Higher Irlam Co-op.The haunting music produced for the evenings by the Fred Broadhurst Trio.
Everybody seated in chairs right around the room, Fred with his pipe in his mouth, gave it two wags, and off the trio went..what was it to be? A Quick Step, a Waltz, The Boston Two-Step,or his favourite, The St Bernards Waltz.!!!! When the half-time whistle went, we all queued up for a cup of tea and a biscuit...God Save The Queen at 11pm on the dot.
They tell me its a bit different now.

Cheers Cyril.....

Susan Taylor (nee O\\\'Reilly): 18th Mar 2008 - 15:01 GMT

Hi Cyril

We used to attend a similiar function, I'm sure it was above the Labour Club Irlam,I think it's called The Red Rose now. We used to love the barn dance, where eventually you would dance with someone you'd liked for ages. In the winter they used to serve hot vimto. I attended the classes for about a year, however, I still have two left feet.

Marissa Chaplin: 18th Mar 2008 - 15:12 GMT

I just love reading these memories.
Susan, I can just imagine pigs running down Liverpool Rd...hilarious...probably wasn't at the time though!!!

Marissa Chaplin: 18th Mar 2008 - 22:05 GMT

Norma - I remember the hut there, did they Scouts there aswell?
Funnily enough, talking of 2nd Irlam Brownies, it sadly closed, in 2006 I think it was. Then it re-opened last Feb at Fiddlers Lane Primary School and guess who is the leader there......ME! I still have my badges from Brownies and Guides too. Its very sad though, there is only 1 brownie pack, 1 guide unit and 1 Rainbow unit in Irlam and 1 Brownie pack in Cadishead. Such a shame, considering how it used to be.

Sheila hilton: 18th Mar 2008 - 22:45 GMT

Hya Sue,
I also used to go (albeit for a very short time), to the dance place above the Red Rose Inn. Didn't it used be be called The Greenwood Shool of Dancing? Even though we learned 'country dancing' at St. Teresa's primary school, it wasn't until then (above the Red Rose/Working Mens Club/Border social Club that I learned the rudiments of the Barn Dance and the Valleeta etc. Have you got any pictures from your dad's allotment days?
Cheers Sheila

Rob Tynan: 19th Mar 2008 - 01:30 GMT

Hi Norma,

I remember the disco on a Thursday night in the Legion and the Catholic Club on a Sunday. "The good old days"!!!!


Susan Taylor (nee O\\\'Reilly): 19th Mar 2008 - 13:03 GMT

Hi Sheila

I'm looking for photos I can't find them. Had a lot of work done in the house and things still in boxes, hope that I haven't thrown them out by mistake.

Greenwoods that was it, couldn't remember their name. Really nice couple.

Do you, or anyone else out there, remember the Jubbly Works. I used to work there in the summer holidays, had some good times working there.


Steve M: 19th Mar 2008 - 14:38 GMT

This is a fantastic resource and discussion. I am pretty much interested in Irlam past, present and unfurling. I've namechecked this thread on my blog:

I'd love people to comment on some of the contemporary developments happening in Irlam and Cadishead e.g. all the dead fish in the Old River.

So please feel free to visit.

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 20th Mar 2008 - 00:39 GMT

Hi Sheila,
the name Crossfield House rings a bell - I know I heard nanna discussing it in the past. I think you may be right!

Steve - I lived at 103 Broadway, in the mid 70's and used to walk along the old river often. I remember a swan spent time there for a while until, much to my horror, someone killed it. What does it look like now? Have they cleaned it up at all? I also remember being told that when they knocked down the old Boat House (while we were there) they found a cat's skeleton behind a wall. It had been concreted in on purpose - apparently to keep bad spirits away??? Being 12 and a cat lover I was horrified!!
Ah, the memories that come flooding back once you open the door!!!

anon ( 20th Mar 2008 - 10:56 GMT

This photo was taken about 1948 showing a group of mainly members of the congregation os Boundary Road Methodist chapel on their visit to Scotland.
I am wondering if there is anyone able to recognise any image 26539

of this congregation, I know my wife, Ellen nee Jaques and her sister Edith with her friend Marion Mellor sat next to her are there.

image 26540

Steve M: 20th Mar 2008 - 17:30 GMT

Hi Deb

I was brought up in Collins Close during the 1970s. I remember the cat story. I can't confirm whether this was true or not, even though I worked at the pub briefly as a glass collector.

The Old River was cleaned up and supporting a thriving fish population, however, the land on the opposite bank - between the Old River and Ship Canal was recently developed by Peel for new housing. It would appear that the sewer system for this new housing is not functioning correctly leading to contamination of the Old River, which has killed off much of the wildlife. There was a campaign against this development, but by the time I was involved it was far too little too late as the deal had gone through various planning stages without formal objection. So not only have we lost the wildscape where the housing now exists, but we are losing a unique water resource. That said, the landfill area which existed just beyond the Boathouse, has been reclaimed for public use, with a new area of open space, pond and play facilities. I'd imagine though that the area will lose further open spaces because of the sheer quantity of new commercial, industrial and residential developments planned for the Irlam and Cadishead area. At least a few jobs will be created, but I do wonder about the impact on the local environment. Then again the place is much cleaner compared to the 60-70s.

Steve Weir: 20th Mar 2008 - 20:02 GMT

Higher Irlam Co-Op was a great place, they stored the empty pop bottles around the back & it was rather easy to climb over the wall & "liberate" a few...for shall we say recycling at the counter.Then there was a coal scuttle in the footpath & it was quite easy to lift the lid & slide down into the boiler room. Spent many an hour exploring the "dance hall" from there...that was at a time when the local Bobby gave you a clip around the ear hole when he caught you out of place!

Sheila hilton: 20th Mar 2008 - 21:42 GMT

Hi Sue, I well remember the jubbly works. It was down Delhi Road, wasn't it? The road by the side of Peg's (Peggy Britton) cafe. Delhi Road is opposite Lower Irlam Post Office. Jubbly's used to be 4d (old money, of course). Crunching away at that frozen oange carton, after school, is the cause of many of my past dental problems!
cheers Sheila xx

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 21st Mar 2008 - 03:02 GMT

OK guys.... What's a "jubbly"???!!! I have only ever heard the word used in the Austin Powers movies and I'm guessing that's not what you are referring to!!!

ps: Steve, interesting to read about the old river. I'm amazed they have put houses behind it!! What a shame! I also remember the 'dump' near the Boat House. My brother used to go there looking for 'treasure'!!!

Wow! Uncle Cyril - I see my mum as a young girl in those photos!!!


Sheila Hilton: 21st Mar 2008 - 18:12 GMT

Hi Deb, Jubblies were pyramid shaped cartons of orange juice. You could cut a corner off and drink it through a straw, or you could buy them frozen. It took ages to crunch your way through them and did no end of damage to teeth! We used to buy them on our way home from school and you ended up with a bright orange tongue and lips. All those e-numbers!!!

Bob Salmon: 21st Mar 2008 - 23:54 GMT

A time or two, dances above the Co-Op near the nag have been mentioned. I remember evening Live Group dances being held there on a regular basis, they were organised by Maurice Johnstone, I sometimes was the doorman, taking the money and keeping order.

Temperance Bars, I know of three, the one near the Nags Head, one a few doors from St Teresa’s Church and one in Cadishead opposite Rowland’s Dentists. This latter one was near where I grew up and I remember not long after WWII, going there with my mother to get my “ration” of sugar products. Much later Madden’s took this shop over.

Re I can put these stories mentioned on the site, is there anything else that may be of interest. Although my memories are mainly to do with oldcadisheadvillage, if anyone knows if it exists or wants to start it.

Rob Tynan: 22nd Mar 2008 - 01:21 GMT

Hi Bob,

Cadishead is covered in Old Irlam Village. Anything at all you may have, memories, facts, its all of interest

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 22nd Mar 2008 - 08:42 GMT

Hi Sheila, thanks for the "Jubblies" update... here in Australia we call them "Sunny Boys".
ps: I had a little giggle at Steve's comment earlier... "a clip around the ear hole" - now that's one I haven't heard in a long time!!

Well it's "wine o'clock" here now, so I will say TTFN!


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 22nd Mar 2008 - 11:12 GMT

Rob - see I wasn't losing my mind, Maddens did exist, though I don't remember it from WWII years lol...

In the days of getting up to mischief, if we got a clip round the ear, or a kick up the backside, we would never dare tell our folks or the reprisals would be worse, for giving the family a bad name! The kids in our street (tho not Rob, as he was from the posh end) used to play 'knock-a-door-run-away' and one guy in Kitchener Ave used to chase us. If he caught the boys he would belt them across the head and tell them to behave. If he caught a girl he would just lecture us about the bad boys and tell us not to play with them... so the boys used to put on our 'anoraks' to save themselves from a hiding!

Deb - I don't think we get sunny boys in Melb (tho I may be wrong), but I remember in Cadishead, we didn't only get orange jubbly's but vimto or cola. Once we had sucked all the juice out and still had the big block of ice, we would re-fill with cordial and put in the freezer again... recycled icy poles (lollies), how sad is that!!

dennis: 22nd Mar 2008 - 13:17 GMT

please, if anybody has any photos of kings rd irlam, opposite royals, from years 60's to 70's please. dennis.

Rob Tynan: 23rd Mar 2008 - 00:53 GMT

Hi Norma,

What do you mean, the posh end!!

Do you remember the small park/ playarea behind the houses on Victory Road, and the old garages. There was always some old car abandoned in a garage I seem to remember, to play in.


Rob Tynan: 23rd Mar 2008 - 02:26 GMT

Hi Norma,

I remember the jubbly recycling process also!!

When I was about 9 (or there abouts) me and my sister used to walk from St Teresas's School to Dr Walkers surgery ( the shoebox)where my mum was the practice Nurse. There used to be a fruit& veg shop on the way down. I remember nicking strawberrys from the pavement display tables. Also does anyone remember, what is now "Victoriana". It used to be some sort of grocers, also selling homemade lolly's and homemade icecream.


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 23rd Mar 2008 - 08:49 GMT

Hi Rob,

The posh end hehe, you didn't play with the likes of us 'rough' kids... the park I do remember, tho not the abandoned cars, I would not have been brave enough to open the garages. Our garden backed onto the old garage site where the council offices used to be (I'm talking up to about 1970). We used to jump off the council roof onto the mattresses that had been dumped underneath. We also played hide and seek in those garages and sneek into the council hut if the workmen had gone for lunch!!


Sheila Hilton: 23rd Mar 2008 - 10:42 GMT

Hi Rob,
I remember the shop that you referred to 'Victoriana'. When I was a little girl, it used to be a sort of dairy called Beswick's Creamery. I think there was a horse called Ginger that pulled the milk delivery cart - or maybe that was from Arnold Lawton's dairy at the top of Fiddler's Lane, near to where the scout hut was. I bet Cyril will definitly know. Didn't the fruit shop used to be called Yates'? I seem to also remember your mum being one of the district nurses who wore a grey coat and hat - Nurse Tynan I knew her as. (Well it would be Tynan wouldn't it, being your mum an all?)
Cheers, Sheila

Alan Taylor: 23rd Mar 2008 - 20:07 GMT

Lawton's ran their dairy from their home in Hartley Grove until they had permission to build a new storage building on the allotments. It was in the Lawton's house that I saw my first television, I was invited in to watch the coronation of our present queen.
Beswick's dairy between the telephone exchange/Steelworks Club, their son Alan and my cousin June MAKINSON [deceased] courted during their late teens.
I don't recall Lawton's having an horse but certainly Beswick's did.

Rob Tynan: Beswicks!! thats it. Rob

Linda OConnor nee Watson: 25th Mar 2008 - 22:04 GMT

Hi Norma, think we were in the same year at Irlam High, still see Linda Booth, Deb Hill think they told me you went to Oz wow what a good memory you have, nice te know you doing ok.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 26th Mar 2008 - 05:56 GMT

Hi Linda,

I remember you well... many a good time was had in the latter years of Irlam High, pity we didn't get any studying done though! Linda Booth is actually my cousin, so of course we are still in touch, she keeps me up to date with Deb Hill.

Nice hearing from you.


cyril bagshaw: 30th Mar 2008 - 11:23 GMT

Hi Alan
There was an Alan Beswick in my class at the old Central School son of the Owner of the greengrocery business at the corner of..was it Dixon st or Caroline street, who had a younger brother Don. Would he have been any relation to the Alan Beswick, friend of your cousin ?


Alan Taylor: 30th Mar 2008 - 13:05 GMT

Hi Cyril,
Beswick's Dairy between the Steelworks Club & the Telephone Exchange there was/is? a double fronted shop and I think it was a grocery/green grocery shop with the dairy to the rear with the dairy entrance being being between the shop and the telephone exchange.
Has June & Alan's engagement didn't last, the Beswick family talk ceased but in the same circle of teenagers was Gloria Shawcross, Ron McVey, Ken McDonagh, Alan Buckles, all around 5-7 years your junior Cyril, now I am not sure if Alan was your age or June's age. Sorry but I will find out for you.

cyril bagshaw: 31st Mar 2008 - 00:46 GMT

Hi Alan,
Ah! Musnt be the same family,Ken is at least 11 years my junior. The Beswick brothers I mentioned both delivered on their greengrocery round to the Margarine works estate in the 1950's.
The double fronted shop next to the old telephone exchange I always knew as Beswicks Creamery.

Cheers Cyril.....

Alan Taylor: 31st Mar 2008 - 09:28 GMT

Hi Cyril,
That's it Beswicks Creamery, and Alan did have a brother Don who married a lass called Jean who still lives in the area and is computer literate. So they were your serious business competition then, I know both my parents of Mond Road and grandparents of Fiddlers Lane only bought from the Bagshaw van.

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 31st Mar 2008 - 11:49 GMT

Hi Cyril

The shop that was on the corner of Dixon Street was Potter's Bakery, what delicious cakes she produced, smell of her baking would waft down Dixon Street she made them in an outhouse at the back of the shop. We would be allowed out of school to collect pies and cakes for the teachers at St Theresa's SchoolHardman's chippy, a small travel agents and Yate's Greengrocery were all on the same block.
Opposite these block of shops was the Co-op, grocery, butcher's and drapery store. We would cash in our dividends at the drapery store.

cyril bagshaw: 31st Mar 2008 - 13:16 GMT

Hi Susan
The bakery which you knew as Potter's Bakery for many years previous, was owned by James Goodier, brother of Joseph Goodier, who incidentally was the organist at St John's church in Vicar Lee's era,and owner of the larger bakery at the corner of Boat lane and Liverpool road across the road from the Nags head.
That was established as long ago as 1848.
My Dad worked for them before and up to the end of the second world war,delivering bread on one of two horse driven vans which were filled with around 500 hot loaves from which you could feel the heat on your back as you drove the horse on its journey round the estates and farms on Irlam moss.
Ah.. the smell of that fresh baked bread.... none of your wrapped sliced, all crusty baked, mm!

As I remember it, there was a Martins Bank opposite Dixon St, and in a block of shops, next to the bank there used to be a wallpaper shop ?


Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 31st Mar 2008 - 13:51 GMT

Hi Cyril

The bank was at the top of Caroline Street, was Martin's then Barclays,the wallpaper shop was Lupton's, then a dry cleaner's called Irlam Valet Service, further along the road their was Billy's (I think that was his name), the Buther's and Millington's the toffee shop. I have photo's of some of these but I don't know how to download them!
Do you remember McKinnell's garage and taxi service? It was just before the Steelworks Club, set back from the road.

Cheers Sue

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 31st Mar 2008 - 14:16 GMT

Sorry Cyril spelling mistake that should read Butcher's! Do you remember Fred Dawes, the tv shop? We used and stand and watch telly through their window, we didn't have a tv set at home until the early sixties. I am sure that they left the tvs on all night, but I might be mistaken.

Cheers Sue

Rob Tynan: 31st Mar 2008 - 22:10 GMT

Hi everyone,

Fred Dawes was the father of Martin Dawes, the multi media and TV empire in Gemini Warrington.

Does anyone remember the two houses that adjoined to Luptons. They were demolished in the late 70s I think.


cyril bagshaw: 1st Apr 2008 - 00:15 GMT

Hi Sue
Must get those photos on somehow..... I've only just been tutored in posting photos by Alan. If you like,email and I will pass on the routine.

Certainly do remember McKinnell's Taxis....we got our first television from Wilf Platt's. It was was a 9 inch black and white I think it was 1948 for 60 pounds sterling.( not far off 6 weeks pay).All the neighbours crowded in to watch Muffin the Mule !!! Plus the test card that we glued our eyes to while we shifted the aerial from the top of the sideboard to hanging off the curtain rail.!!

Those were the days my friends...


Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 1st Apr 2008 - 09:25 GMT

Hi Rob

Yes I remember the two houses near Lupton's, my sister and her then husband rented rooms there, before they moved Kings Road.

Hi Cyril

Thanks for email address hope you manage to sort me out picture wise!

We didn't get a telly til the late sixties, we used to watch the telly through the window at Fred Dawes. When we did get a telly we were just like you moving the aerial around until we got a decent picture. They used play God Save The Queen at the end of broadcasting.

I love this site brings back a lot of happy memories.

Cheers Sue

Sheila Hilton: 1st Apr 2008 - 10:01 GMT

Hya Sue,
Have just been catching up on this site. I remember Mrs potter's shop and that. Don't think I ever went in there but I remember all you lot from that area of Irlam that I went to school with, used to talk about her marzipan sweets. Next door, where the travel place was - was the lady called Mrs. Barnes? My parents-in-law regularly booked day trips from there plus their annual holidays with the Shearings Company.
Talking about first TV's, do you remember all the interference there used to be? My mum became an expert on what caused the interference; either the aerial needed adjusting/moving about or if that didn't work, it was obviously "their end" and you just had to wait it out. In my grand parents house in Boundary Road, they had a miniscule tv screen inside a large, floor standing cabinet. I don't think I ever saw it switched on!
Cheers Sheila (get those pics. sorted)

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 1st Apr 2008 - 16:15 GMT

Hi Sheila

I have just remembered the name of the small travel agents, it was Mrs Barnes. We used to book our coach trips out from there, and also from Millington's the sweet shop, or that may have been a pick up point. I recall that I was travel sick as a child, I had forgotten to take my travel sick pill one day and called in the shop, Mrs Millington's for a glass of water so I could take my tablet. Mrs Millington a lovely lady gave me a glass of lemonade instead of water, I was sick all the way to Blackpool. My Dad sat at the front of the coach with me, he was holding a plastic bag open for me to be sick in. I never told my parents about the lemonade, and I never forgot to take my travel sick pills again!

Sheila Hilton: 1st Apr 2008 - 21:04 GMT

Hya Sue, talking about being travel sick - travelling on the bus to St. Patricks school left me feeling sick every day in those early years. I think i've got better over the years though!

Rob Tynan: 1st Apr 2008 - 21:46 GMT

Hi Sheila,

When did you go to St Pats, I was there from 1973 to 1979.

Sheila Hilton: 2nd Apr 2008 - 08:32 GMT

Hi, Rob,
I must be about 15 years your senior. Left St.Pats around 1966.

cyril bagshaw: 3rd Apr 2008 - 06:23 GMT

Hi Rob,
Would you have known my 2 nieces Diane and Jean Ennis ?

Cheers Cyril...

Rob Tynan: 3rd Apr 2008 - 20:46 GMT

Hi Cyril,

I dont seem to recognise their names, what age would they be?


cyril bagshaw: 4th Apr 2008 - 00:33 GMT

Hi Rob,

Born 1958 and 1963


Rob Tynan: 5th Apr 2008 - 23:50 GMT

Sorry Cyril,

I dont seem to recognise them. I grew up at the Hollins Green end of Cadishead.

anon ( 7th Apr 2008 - 12:44 GMT

Does anybody remember the hand drawn street maps of Cadishead and Irlam thet appeared in the Irlam and Cadishead Advertiser round about 1983? Anybody still have them?

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 9th Apr 2008 - 15:06 GMT

Hi Aiden I remember Alan Shaw, he married a girl called Lorraine. I also remember there was a lady called Mabel who ran the White Horse. My mother Josie O'Reilly and a neighbour Mrs Edwards used clean the White Horse when Alan and Mabel were living there.
Still having problems posting picture, Cyril.
Also, is anyone else having problems with layout? My layout is landscape which is making it hard work to read.

Sheila Hilton: 10th Apr 2008 - 11:14 GMT

Hi Sue,
I remember Alan & Lorraine Shaw, but I don't recall a Mabel. I do remember Alan's Mum Norah who was the landlady of the White Horse before Alan took over. Alan died a few years ago - only young! I asked my husband (Mike - to you) and he doesn't remember Mabel. By the way, my layout is also landscape as well. Didn't used to be.
Cheers Sheila

Andrew Smith: 11th Apr 2008 - 09:37 GMT

Here's some photo's contributed by Dom Smith (friend but no relation) - photo's of Irlam in the late 1980's

The parade on the estate - butchers on the left, newsagent in the middle (run by Dom's family) and launderette on the right (run by Dom's Auntie).

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Irlam Shopping Precinct was a souless concrete venture that didn't last a huge amount of time but had some good shops at times...

Lester's newsagent and TSB

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A short time later

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A short time after that (after demolition the land was left to go wild for a few years - it's now flats and houses)

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This is the old Tesco's, now demolished and replaced by an even bigger Tesco. When it was built, in the 1970's, it was billed as the 'first Hypermarket in the country' and appeared in Human Geography text books showing it's negative impact on the local shops.

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Kwik Save, down the road from Tesco. Now demolished and replaced by flats and houses.

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This was originally a cinema, at this point it was a snooker hall and now (I think) converted to sell pet supplies.

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Another working day at the Margarine Works (again, now houses).

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These slides on the park (long-gone) seemed massive when we were kids and still look pretty tall here. If you came off your fall was broken by concrete. There's no way they'd have them now.

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Irlam Town football club did very well for a time in the 80's, playing in the North West Counties and playing Man United reserves a couple of times. However it all came to an end in the 90's and this club house is no more. After being unused for a time a new clubhouse has been built there for Irlam FC (I think Irlam MS may play there too but I could be wrong)

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Cyril Bagshaw: 11th Apr 2008 - 12:02 GMT

Hi Andrew
Thanks for adding Dom's photos.The frontage of the Rialto cinema is very little different from when it was The Globe picture house. Even the Large door to the right of the main entrance is there which was a passage way down to the cheaper ticket office. It was also used for their patrons to leave their bikes in during the performances which usually consisted of two films with a break in between. Plus of course, Pathe News followed by a cartoon. Mind you, we had to fork out ninepence for that !

I wonder if any of Dom's family will have remembered my son John running the greengrocery business which was next to the newsagents ?

I recognise too, the "white elephant" shopping centre that was built behind what was the old Twenty Row line of shops on the main road.

Cheers from Adelaide...Cyril.....

Andrew Smith: 11th Apr 2008 - 15:43 GMT

Thanks Cyril

Dom did mention a greengrocers also - I'll ask him and get back to you.


Rob Tynan: 13th Apr 2008 - 01:04 GMT

Hi Andrew,

They had the same type of slides on Cadishaed Park on Lords Street, They were just as tall. The Health and Safety Mafia would have a field day with them today!!!

Great fun at the time though.


Rob Tynan: 13th Apr 2008 - 01:17 GMT

Hi Cyril,

You want to see the "Rialto" as it was, today.....Someone had the bright idea of putting rainscreen cladding over the whole front elevation without any form of structural support between the different roof levels, the result being, after the storms last year, some of the cladding blew away. I will post some photos soon.

Rob Tynan: 13th Apr 2008 - 01:23 GMT

If you want to see some pics of the Kwik Save site and the Jezzies, have a look at under "before and after" "Jezzies". Those of you from "across the water" will not recognise the area.

Rob Tynan: 13th Apr 2008 - 01:25 GMT


that should be


Cyril Bagshaw: 13th Apr 2008 - 06:33 GMT

Hi Rob,
Looks as though there has been more devastation there than Adolph's bombs !!

Cheers.... Cyril....

Andrew Smith: 13th Apr 2008 - 09:53 GMT

Rob - I didn't know they also had the same slides in Cadishead. As you say, great fun though!

anon ( 13th Apr 2008 - 10:41 GMT

Hi Rob, I well remember those slides on Lord Street park; my younger sister fell from the top & sustained a nasty fracture of her arm. As for the Irlam ones, I recall having great fun on those slides as an adult when my children were little. They were a good excuse to be able to go on the slides. On a more serious note, I would never have let them go up there by themselves when they ere little, even though danger on them was never an issue with my own parents! I suspect I had far more freedom to roam when I was young.
The comments about the old Rialto are spot on. We were only commenting when we drove passed yesterday what an absolute eyesore it has become. I don't think it would take much for the whole front to drop off! There is a small tree sprouting from the roof.

Dom Smith: 13th Apr 2008 - 12:58 GMT

Cyril an co.I'm glad you like my photo's kindly sacnned by Andrew (no relation). I think its very sad how Irlam has changed. Very little for the better too. I have some pics of the jezzies and barton bmx track which I will try to find.My family remember you and wish you all the best. My grandad who originally set up the newsagents passed away 10 years ago.

Cyril Bagshaw: 13th Apr 2008 - 23:32 GMT

Hi Dom,
I will pass on to my son John the photos of the housing estate shops where he and his nana Jaques ( Vi as she liked to be called) had the greengrocery at the end. He also will be sad to hear of your grandad's passing, as they got on really well with their neighbouring shopkeepers, and we thank and return to your family our good wishes too.

Thanks Andrew for putting us in touch..

Cheers... Cyril....

Rob Tynan: 14th Apr 2008 - 00:10 GMT

Hi Cyril,

Developers have caused more devastation here than adolphs bombs. It never was the best looking place on earth, but now it is becoming more faceless than ever with the destruction of local landmarks and the mish mash of new build together with the neglect of some of the old.


Cyril Bagshaw: 14th Apr 2008 - 07:27 GMT

Hi Rob,

Truly, the old village character of Irlam and Cadishead is disappearing from what was a about a Two mile narrow strip with very little either side of the main road.
I was thinking only the other day, whatever happened to Bob Higgiinson's farm that lay between Princes Park and Fairhills road.
He used to keep a Steam tractor there along with a large Threshing machine which he used to fire up and haul the whole contraption up Fiddlers Lane to Max Shacklady,s farm at the top of the lane and thresh the harvest of corn in the large farmyard where the barn and stables were.

And what has happened to those great Whit Week Walks when all the beautiful children proudly carried their baskets of flowers following the lively marching music of Irlam and Cadishead Brass Bands ?

Cheers for now......Cyril......

anon ( 14th Apr 2008 - 09:35 GMT

Hi Cyril,
Was that farm the one we knew as Wash Farm? I remember there was a farm on the front of the road opposite Lathom Road or somewhere in that area.
Shacklady - I remember a wrestling club by that name.

Cyril B: 14th Apr 2008 - 12:12 GMT

Hi Sheila,
That's right! Wash Farm.I expect all that old machinery will be lying in some museum by now..

The wrestling club I think was run by his son who had competed in the Olympics at some stage.

It seems his father was a very strong man in his day too. I was chatting to a farmer, a neighbours of theirs some years back when I was picking up fresh produce there, that he actually saw Max (senior) lift off the ground, one in each hand, 2x1 hundred weight bags of potatoes!!


Alan Taylor: 14th Apr 2008 - 13:50 GMT

Hi Sheila & Cyril,
I recall both farms and used to go and watch 'young' Max Shacklady and his followers practice wrestling in one of the upper barns behind which the threshing machine with long belt to the steam tractor was always used. Peter whom ran the farm in 'old' Max's later years wasn't so friendly as his father & older brother both Max, yet Peter's wife an ex nurse was real friendly. Wash Farm was there one day and gone without trace the next, it was as if they knocked it down overnight and landscaped and turfed the area straight away, the bus stop for the 10 & 20 as they were then was outside the farm and across on the corner of Lathom Road.
Would that be Hickson at Barton Moss Farm, he was about the biggest market garden farm around there, that you got your fresh produce from then Cyril, he had Italian live-in hands that remained after the war years, Shacklady only had German PoWs as farm hands and they all left after the war

anon ( 14th Apr 2008 - 21:18 GMT

Thanks Dom Smith for putting on the picture of shops on Tiger Moth square.It brought back happy memories when I was growing up on the estate.Never thought I would see a picture of how it used to be !!! Have you got any more pictures? Cheers.

Marissa Chaplin: 14th Apr 2008 - 22:33 GMT

Thanks Andrew & Dom, what great photos. I can remember running up and down that hill outside Lesters waiting for my mum to finish gassing. haha

James: 14th Apr 2008 - 22:56 GMT

We used to live near a family called Shacklady between 1963-1968. I think it was Peter and Marjory and they lived in Rose Avenue.

Cyril B: 15th Apr 2008 - 07:22 GMT

Hi Alan,
Wilf Hesford was my main supplier for many years. His farm was the first farm you came to at the top of Fiddlers lane, and was ideal for me to pick up all the produce from his yard. I am still in awe at the consistent high quality year after year grown without pesticides and whathaveyou.

Whenever I ran short of lettuce on hot saturday afternoons, he would leave his armchair, pick up a box, and off we would go into one of his crispy webb lettuce patches a cut me what I wanted.

Goodness knows where the produce comes from now....


Alan Taylor: 15th Apr 2008 - 11:28 GMT

Hi Cyril,
and the second farm almost opposite on your left you got the best celery around, tall white stems, not green like now and insect nibbled or slug mess in between the stems, lovely clean white crisp stems - maybe I was spoilt with having so many decent market garden farmers in Irlam, only seem to get celery grown in the dark so is still shades of green, just cannot beat soil banking to get the perfect celery. Harry Hesford always put several acres to vegetables as all the Hesford farms did on the moss.

vicky ryder: 15th Apr 2008 - 18:27 GMT

Hi Helen

Didn't know you came on this site. I was just looking through to see what i could find out about the ferry when i came about this site. I'd had forgot your dad remembered the bob's lane ferry. Its hard for me to remember as it was just before my time but mum always mentioned uncle bernard.

If anyone else has any memories of the ferry disaster it would be great to hear them.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 17th Apr 2008 - 01:03 GMT

Max Shacklady..........A name that rings a bell. My husband used to go to a gym near Eccles baths owned by Max. He was at the gym when Max died in there in front of everyone. They had a memorial half marathon run that left from Irlam Towns clubhouse and up the moss and around Irlam. It was held for a few years.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 17th Apr 2008 - 12:25 GMT

Hi everyone, long time no see... someone hacked in to our pc and demolished some files and put a virus in the rest!!

My older brother was at high school with Max Shacklady, must be the grandson of the one you all mention?

Gary Sparkes: 18th Apr 2008 - 07:26 GMT

found this site by accident,great to see so many of my childhood memories i went to irlam endowed, irlam high,used to play at tarzan bridge ,steel works ,jezzies,princess park,the maypole,we once stole a wooden rowing boat from bobs lane and paddled right down the canal you name it we played there has anyone got any more pictures of these places i live in melbourne now but my parents still live in irlam ill be back soon

Deb Walker: 19th Apr 2008 - 15:06 GMT

Max Shacklady was a well known name in Irlam/Cadishead folklore - I went to school with Diane Shacklady - I know she was related to the Shacklady's that owned the gym/boxing place - she has an older brother called Max, he was 1 or 2 years older than her. Diane and I are same age 42/43.

Sheila Vaudrey: 19th Apr 2008 - 17:10 GMT

Hello Jenny and Janet(Sutton), I lived at No 42 Harewood Road and I do remember you living there also I remember the field that belonged to your granddad, it came at the side of Liverpool Road, opposite the Council School, behind some railings. It was where the Broadway Housing estate is now. From what I remember your mum was a very smart lady, I can’t say I remember your dad, he must have worked long hours.
I have got a couple of photo’s that were taken at a street coronation party in 1953, even if you are not on there you may just recognise someone, Gertrude Lee is on one of them and she lived next door to you at 46. I am intending to put them on the web site, “so watch this space” or if you let, one of the administrators have you e-mail address they might pass it on to me them I will send them by e-mail My sister Claire and I often talk about our friends from Harewood Road and you both get a mention. I did see Joyce Walker last year I stopped for a little chat she said her Mother( Bessy) was still alive but needs nursing, Just one more thing, there are swans on the canal now, it is a lot cleaner than when we lived there Hope this find you both in good health, from Sheila,

sam ross: 21st Apr 2008 - 01:23 GMT

hi all can anyone tell me the where abouts of brian croasedale(crozzie)he lived on school lane in the 70s aand 80s then on caroline st

Gary Sparkes: 21st Apr 2008 - 08:21 GMT

hi sam crozzie is still knocking around seen him last year with giz nelson in the white horse i remember his poetry after a few,he seemed well and just the same old crozzie

sam ross: 22nd Apr 2008 - 04:46 GMT

cheers gaz if you see him again can you tell him about this site and me wanting to get in touch ta

Ron Urry: 23rd Apr 2008 - 18:20 GMT

Hi ,
I have read Bob Salmons comments with interest having just come across this site.
My maternal grt grandmother was a Royle from Flixton and my grt grandfather was a Davies from Cadishead, lately of Grappenhall and grt Budworth / Warburton
My mother was bn and lived at 19 Atherton Lane,Cadishead, and up to the 1901 census
the Davies lived at Whitfield Street,Cadishead.
The extended family of Davies lived in Fir Street, Liverpool Road,Cadishead.
My mothers family was called Watson, and tho my grandfather brought his family back to
Lincolnshire in the early 30's, my mother stayed with her grandmother Davies at Atherton lane until 1943.
I know Whitfield Street no longer exists, but Atherton Lane does, but are the houses there the ones that would have been standing from the 1920's or have the originals been replaced ?.
I would beinterested in knowing if the schools my mother would have attended are still around,
My grandfather left the steelworks in Scunthorpe Lincs to work in the Steel works at Cadishead,during the slump in work at Scunthorpe, and returned c 1935 when the work picked up.


Rob Tynan: 23rd Apr 2008 - 22:06 GMT

Hi Ron,

The houses in Atherton Lane Cadishead are the original houses that were built after the railway arrived. Next time I'm passing I will take some pics and post them.


Ron Urry: hi Thanks Rob much appreciated Ron

Jon Burgess: 26th Apr 2008 - 12:26 GMT

Hi, its great to see old photies of the place i grew up, my dad (John burgess) and his dad (Tom Burgess) used to work at the steel works and my dad also worked at morris's bakery in cadishead and delivered coal with the chap mentioned way earlier by someone. Grandad is long gone, mum and dad now live in Turkey. I live in hazel grove now and havent seen cadishead for about 2 years. last time i went through it looked a shadow of it's fomer self, or maybe thats just the old rose tinted specs! used to knock around sandylane bridge and the old air rade shelter, also the three arches on the river glaze was another place for secret ciggies! bittersweet memories.

Gary Sparkes: 26th Apr 2008 - 23:55 GMT

will do sam i ,live in melbourne now i will be back tiis year but in the mean time i will e mail a couple of mates in irlam(cash)james cashan,jim white,both good friends with crozzie i reacon you will be in touch with him in about 2 wks let me know

Brian_USA: 27th Apr 2008 - 16:43 GMT

Does anyone have any memories of the Spar store on Lord Street, or the Vivo on Fir Street?

Brian (Lived in Cadishead 1974 - 1980, now in USA)

Sue taylor (nee O'Reilly): 27th Apr 2008 - 17:09 GMT

Hi everyone,
Here are some photos of Irlam, taken some years ago; one is of myself and a friend as young girls on my father's allotment behind Tramway Road. I think that is Carrington Power Station in the background. Perhaps someone out there can confirm that. Other pictures show St. Teresa's 'walking day' on Liverpool Road. You can see The White Horse Inn and Lupton's paint & wallpaper shop. The one inside the grounds of St. teresa's church, showing the statue of The Virgin Mary reminds me of how precariously it used to wobble when carried along the road!image 27267
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Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 27th Apr 2008 - 20:18 GMT

Gary - It seems every other person on this site now lives in Melbourne (apart from Cyril, of course). I'm sure if we all got together, we would have a bigger party than those still in Irlam/Cadishead.

Sue - I'm guessing from the fashion and hairstyles, your pics are early 70's? I used to enjoy doing 'walking day', it meant I got real white sandals, instead of horrible brogues from the 'army and navy stores'... do you remember that shop Rob?

Rob Tynan: 27th Apr 2008 - 22:14 GMT

Hi Norma,

Yep I do but I carn't quite remember where, was it near the chippy opposite Bobs Lane?

By the way, that last picture is of Cadishead band.



Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 28th Apr 2008 - 10:20 GMT

Hi rob,

The Army & Navy stores was a double fronted shop at the end of the row, near the chippy. In the days when it wasn't fashionable to wear camouflage pants!!

I didn't recognise which band it was, do you know who the players are?


Rob Tynan: 28th Apr 2008 - 21:23 GMT

Hi Norma,

Yep, I thought it was....In later years it became a Funeral directors for a short time before being converted into flats or houses...difficult to really tell. As for the camouflage pants.....don't really want to comment on Australian fashion trends!!!

As for the Band, I think the picture was just before my time. I carn't quite remember the names. Will find out and let you know.


Marissa Chaplin: 28th Apr 2008 - 22:54 GMT

Love your pics of walking day, I have some posted on Irlam & Cadishead Ancestry forum.

Gary Sparkes: 28th Apr 2008 - 23:43 GMT

hey sam ross my mate has spoke to crozzie and the wheels are in motion good luck

Rob Tynan: 28th Apr 2008 - 23:54 GMT

Hi Norma and everyone

Have a look on Irlam & Cadishead Ancestry and see if there is anyone or anything you recognise Anything you may wish to add would be welcome



James cashan: 2nd May 2008 - 00:43 GMT

Found this site through my friend gary sparkes, thrilled to see people had foresight to capture Irlam and Cadisheads social history in passing lest be forgotten forever especially photos by rob tynan, yes i remember the river glaze flooding i used to live down haig avenue and was always mucking around playing along the banks with my friends david noctor and paul traynor, used to particularly enjoy watching the swallows performing their acrobatics over the river in the summer evening sky! Incidentally i think you (rob) live or lived just above the banks of the river.
Re: sam ross i have spoken to crozzy , do you have a forwarding email address will sort something out in next week or so.
would like to contribute some photos and memories to this site, but not quite sure how to upload or navigate around it, struggled to find this link.

Andrew Smith: 2nd May 2008 - 07:24 GMT

Hi James, glad you want to add photos.

If you want to add photo's first you'll need to resize them to no more than 600 pixels wide, in photoshop or the like.

When typing your post in the 'Comment on this article' box, when you are ready to add a photo click on 'upload photo's' just above the comment box. A pop up window will open and allow you to browse and select your photo - once it has uploaded it allows you to click to add the photo into the article (it will show as a piece of text showing the photo's upload number e.g. image ****

Press Return/Enter a couple of times to leave a blank line and you can then add more text and/or subsequent photos in the same manner. Cheers, Andrew.

Andrew Smith: 2nd May 2008 - 07:30 GMT

Sorry - the site didn't like my example of the text for an image - it basically produces a bit of text and a number that represents your photo.

Editor: 2nd May 2008 - 13:01 GMT

more information here about how to upload photos:

Rob Tynan: 2nd May 2008 - 17:53 GMT

Hi James,

Yes you are right. I lived at the end of Rosebank Road, my mum still does. I remember you living on Haig Ave. You went to St Teresas didn't you.

Its a bit of an obsession with me to photo any building that is at risk of, or being demolished. Redevelopment just for the sake of it is something that really winds me up. Have a look on Irlam & Cadishead Ancestry where there are a few before and after pics from around the district.



john boardman: 3rd May 2008 - 11:17 GMT

Hi all,
I came accross this site by accident,I lived in hollins green until i was 11 yrs old and went to both of the primary schools (School lane) until it was demolished, then birch rd school until 1970 when we moved to partington . I have fond memories of my lfe there.

James cashan: 3rd May 2008 - 15:02 GMT

Thanks for the info andy is this your own site that you started up? I will be out snapping old and new local haunts when i get the chance,and will try and suss out the pixel thing (not much of a computer boffin).
ok Rob, yea i did go to St Tereasa`s have fond memories of it ,you were 1 or 2 years above i think and then on to St Pats which was ok but there was a thing called homework thrown into the equation which took the shine off the whole school experience for me.
(was a bit of a slacker) do you still live local?

James cashan: 3rd May 2008 - 15:30 GMT

hello, me again
Re: john boardman, was thinking pics of hollins green and glazebrook should be included on this site as as a youngster hollins green felt part of the whole local tapestry to me and a relation like a slightly wealthier cousin to us cadisheaders (although some greeners may not welcome the association ha ha)we use to go for bike rides around the area and up to the army camps and went to karate on sunday mornings at hollins green community center run by Rob Milner, i also recall going to watch films there such as planet of the apes and diamonds are forever on a saturday afternoon with a lot of other kids for free. but this would be around 75-77 i think.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 4th May 2008 - 02:13 GMT

To Gary Sparkes, I recall going to Endowed and irlam High school with a Stephen Sparkes....would you be his brother?

Andrew Smith: 4th May 2008 - 08:32 GMT

James - no it's not my site - I just posted this and another article on Irlam and I assume most people found their way to the pages via google.

I agree - Hollins Green and Glazebrook stuff would fit in well and would like to see it.

Cheers, Andrew.

Alan Taylor: 4th May 2008 - 10:16 GMT

The first farm on Glazebrook Lane - Pitt Farm - run by the Taylor's - picture taken around the 1890's...
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Alan Taylor: 4th May 2008 - 10:59 GMT

St Helen's Church after the graveyard had been landscaped around 50 years ago =
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Originally built 1500 AD, rebuilt 1733, restored 1882.

Who remembers the Coronation Tree?
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pre Great War.

1922 saw many local cenotaphs erected, Hollinfare replaced the Coronation Tree with it's circular seat for it own Great War Cenotaph.
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Picture taken 2008.

Names on Cenotaph - Great War & WWII
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The WWI names show my grand uncle John Taylor, who was born in the little white cottage that was next to the old Police House, opposite side but bit further in from the Black Swann.

The terrible disaster: 6th May 2008 - 21:29 GMT

This article has been republished as I was asked to supply the details a second time.
We had walked on Cadishead Moss in the morning on Jean Dodd’s health walk with possibly 60 inspired walkers. When the walk had ended I had a chat with Mrs Heap the ‘Irlam Historians’ wife, and I asked the best way to research the catastrophe that happened at Bob’s ferry, and I appreciated Mrs Heap’s assistance. I remembered the terrible accident but I could use the newspapers archives as I didn’t know the date of the accident, but I was then armed with sufficient information and with the guidance of the Irlam Libraries librarian the search commenced. After several blind alleys the library computer recognised snippets of information and as they say in show business, the rest is history. The Irlam Libraries librarian and ladies were incredibly helpful. The search was a struggle but I got there in the end, but I would like to say thank you to the Irlam librarian.
All the best
Roy Bamber
On Tuesday April 14th 1970 Partington hit the headlines with a disaster that resulted in the death of five local men. On that spring day, early morning workers were making their way over Bob’s Ferry to start their day’s work at Cadishead and Irlam. The ferry had been carrying workers over the Manchester Ship Canal for almost a hundred years, on a short trip that took only a few minutes, from Lock Lane, near Our Lady of Lourdes School, to Bob’s Lane, Cadishead. Taking ten passengers at a time it was estimated that the 20-foot open boat powered by an outboard motor carried 35,000 passengers, at ten pence each, each year. The Ferryman’s day started early at 5.30am, in order to get the early shift workers over the water and continued until 11.00pm with trips every 15 minutes. This particular morning Ferryman, Bernard Carroll aged 27 of Lock Lane, was worried for, during the first couple of crossings, he had noticed an unpleasant and unusual smell. Several of his passengers had complained of feeling unwell during the short trip, so Bernard decided to suspend the service until he had sought further advice. As he was phoning the police, several passengers, waiting on the jetty, were worried that they would be late for work and decided to row themselves over the canal. On his return Bernard could see the boat in the middle of the canal with the passengers obviously affected by the 4-foot high mist on the water. Without hesitation, he jumped into another boat and started to row towards the drifting boat. Eyewitnesses later told police that when Bernard was about 20 yards from the other boat the canal exploded into a sea of flames and both boats were engulfed in fire, this was followed by a series of explosions which shook houses a quarter of a mile away. About a one mile length of the canal became a river of fire 60 feet high and nearby houses in Lock Lane had to be evacuated. Nothing could be done until the flames had died down, then both boats were brought to the bank. The Ferryman had died and five people in the other boat were badly burned. The injured were taken to Hope Hospital and some were later moved to the Burns Unit at Withington Hospital. Some time later it was discovered that three other passengers from the boat were missing, having either jumped or fallen into the canal. The canal was too polluted for police frogmen to be used and too deep to be dragged and it wasn’t until two weeks later that the bodies of the missing passengers were found. The whole of Partington was stunned by the disaster, which had devastated the lives of nine local families. The Northwest Forensic Laboratory tested samples from the water and teams of men patrolled the canal banks in an effort to discover the cause of the fire. The inquest was to be delayed until the mystery had been solved. Due to the closure of the ferry service local workers were faced with an eight-mile detour to reach Cadishead. On April 30th one of the injured passengers died in Withington Hospital and a fund was set up to help dependants to which Bucklow Council, the Manchester Ship Canal Company and local people donated a total of £2,300. Residents were nervous and the Fire Brigade was called out a number of times when mysterious smells came from the canal. On May 21st Shell Chemicals announced they had carried out an internal enquiry as a result of which two workers had been suspended from duty. On June 26th the inquest took place at Eccles where coroner, Mr. Leonard Gorodkin, heard the evidence. It was revealed that several hours before the disaster the Dutch owned vessel Tacoma was being loaded with 1800 tons of petrol at Partington Coaling Basin. It was normal practice to have two men observing the operation to ensure that petrol did not overflow into the canal. The two men, both from Partington, admitted that instead of being on the quayside, they had gone to the canteen and had been there from 2.00am until almost 6.00am drinking coffee and talking. During this period it was estimated that about 14,000 gallons of petrol had flowed into the canal. The Coroner stated, “We will never know just what caused the petrol to ignite and this is a most horrifying story”. He continued, “As a result of this inquest I hope people will realise that safety regulations are not just bits of paper”. A verdict of death by misadventure was recorded on the five who died in the accident, Albert Wimbleton aged 56 of Yew Walk, Brian Hillier aged 18 of Wood Lane, Roy Platt 29 of Daniel Adamson Avenue, Alan Cliff aged 17 of Birch Road and the Ferryman Bernard Carroll aged 27 of Lock Lane, all of Partington. The following were injured, Daniel MacAlister of Wood Lane, George Morrell of Lime Walk, Robert Kilgour of Camomile Walk and Stephen Hunter of Wood Lane. There was a suggestion that the fire started when one of the ferry passengers lit a cigarette. But this was never proved. The ferry re-opened some weeks after the fire but business declined, as many passengers were afraid of another disaster taking place. Jim and Dorothy Fogarty ran the service, but passenger numbers continued to fall and eventually the service was closed. Now the scene of the Partington disaster is deserted and covered in high weeds.
Researched and written by Duncan Hamman

Gary Sparkes: 7th May 2008 - 05:31 GMT

hey natalie yes im steves younger bro by 2 yrs

sam ross: 7th May 2008 - 07:21 GMT

ey gary thanks for that where in melbourne are you

Rob Tynan: 8th May 2008 - 15:28 GMT

Hi Ron,
Here are the pictures I took of Atherton Lane and Anglers Close (Whitefield Street) today.

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As you can see Atherton Lane is more or less original and Whitfield Street has been redeveloped.


Rob Tynan: Sorry Anglers Rest!! Rob

Deb Walker: 8th May 2008 - 17:32 GMT

I lived in Atherton Lane (as mentioned before) mine was the second house (19) as you look down the street from the end that Rob took the photo - used to be able to look straight across with no houses in front at all, just overgrown tracks etc. - that was from about 1987 - 1989.

Jon Burgess: 10th May 2008 - 08:27 GMT

My Gran lived on Atherton Lane for 50+ years, I always remember the massive bonfires on the bammer throughout the 70's / early 80's. Down the bammer was a newt pond with protected species of newt living in it. To think I used to keep them in jam jars until they died about a week later! Surely this pond hasn't been concreted over for even more housing? does anyone know? Developers seem to invade every spot of land theses days destroying the habitat of many species, Just because the scrubland didn't look too appealing doesnt mean it wasn't full of life. The machine just keeps rolling on.

Rob Tynan: 10th May 2008 - 11:34 GMT

Hi Jon,

Couldn't agree more regarding development.....I don't know that pond, but there were other ponds near the old slag heap bordering Hollins Green. We used to get frogs, newts, stickbacks etc from there.

Jon Burgess: 10th May 2008 - 11:37 GMT

To James Cashan and Gary Sparkes. So the only way we will get a King of the Slums reunion is via a big screen satellite link-up to Australia?

Rob Tynan: 10th May 2008 - 11:39 GMT

Oh and I almost forgot....apparently people used to get up to "mischief" on the old slag heaps...........Norma!!!!...........


James cashan: 10th May 2008 - 15:37 GMT

RE: Jon Burgess, ha ha well spotted jon i dont think that public demand, finance nor desire is great enough for that. K.O.T.S. Fans and those that remember us are a rare commodity,although i think we would more than hold our own with contemporary indie bands of today. We very nearly did put irlam on the map!Gary went on to play with Andy rourke (smiths) and then Bez (happy Mondays)For several years...he`s probably to modest to mention it here!(thats a tenner u owe me mr. sparks!)
We were also in a local band called the Swamp Cats and wrote a tongue in cheek song called "country bumpkins" (lyrics penned by front man mark byrne)about irlam and cadishead,and did all night gigs down at Tarzan Bridge, waste land under railway bridge at back of the wines and spirits back in the middle to late eighties...anyone remember these or photos R.T. locals would come down the side of the white horse (tramway rd.)and along the railway embankment after the pubs had closed to sing,dance, drink moonshine and make merriment until sunrise ! Wether this song could be uploaded as an mp3 to this i dont know? oh almost forgot happy birthday dad.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 10th May 2008 - 22:14 GMT

Hi Rob..... think I'm forming a reputation here... and I told you in confidence!! hahaha.

James - I remember my younger brothers (Stuart & John), talking about Tarzan Bridge. They are the same age as Brian Noctor (you mentioned his brother earlier). Also Sam Ross who is looking for Crozzie, lives in Oz now (Sam and his wife Deb are my best friends). We were friends way back in UK and came out here 2 years apart. Deb is also related to Natalie/Steve Waterworth... I was at primary school (Lords St, Cadishead), with Crozzie and have an unflattering photo of us both. It is a bad copy so probably wouldn't show up too well on here.

This link is drawing more people together, it is brilliant... well done Andrew for starting it and thanks to everyone who contributes.


James cashan: 12th May 2008 - 01:37 GMT

hi norma ,
yes i remember brian,may know your brothers by face,we would get anywhere from 1 to 2
hundred people down at tarzan bridge,crossie was a regular face at our shin digs and would often do some impromptu mc ing reciting john cooper clark poems,including the multi expletive "chicken town"! the first time we ever did it a copper came to investigate with his flash light and couldnt believe the set up he seen we was just havin harmless fun, we said take your hat off and have a he did! ah when bobbies were real bobbies!
re: jon burgess how do you know of K.O.T.S have u got any records? re wasteland, currently the bottom of hayes road has been completely cleared and ready for development
peel holdings is tearing up the place! also along barton stretch has been cleared for building of salford reds rugby club where all the scramblers and bmx bikes use to go, must say i`m in favour of that one though and i think its been done in consultation with environmentalists. But enough is enough allwe got left is princess park and some greenery near old river and boat house.

Stuart Brennan: 12th May 2008 - 18:48 GMT

Hello everyone
Just stumbled on this site by accident and saw a few old names and places that brought back memories.
I was in Norma Bolton's class in juniors, although I don't blame her if she doesn't remember me1
I also remember Deborah Massey, with her tan and exotic Aussie accent, at Irlam High, where I was in the same class as Natalie's brother Paul.
I was also in Brian Croasdale's class at Cadishead Infants, before he moved to Irlam - we got lost together on a trip to Chester Zoo.
My mum and dad still live on Dudley Road - I was over there visiting them on Sunday.
Must go now cos I'm at work but will get back on, and on the other site, when I can to catch up.

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 12th May 2008 - 20:04 GMT

Hi Stuart,

I remember your name but can't picture you. I think you were one of the clever ones???

Re; KOTS: 12th May 2008 - 21:18 GMT

Hi James, yeh i knew about kots through my mates who used to go and see you (they are on the snubtv clip on youtube but not sure if you are in that line up) I met you a few times about 15 years ago in the Irlam railway when i was was out with your cousin Chris White, it was interesting (and a little sobering) to hear your account of the industry. As for the swamp cats i remember the Van with the graffiti going around irlam and cadishead didnt realise that was you. I was big into hip hop and graffiti at that time and wondered who did the van (was it the guy who called himself EAZE) I won't mention his real name. As for the gigs under the bridge I was still a little wet behind the ears then (about 14-15)But a few mates and aquaintences have talked about it in the past (Iain Burns, Julian lynch et al) do these names ring any bells to you? So do you not play at all now?
All the Best

Cyril Bagshaw: 13th May 2008 - 00:01 GMT

Hi Stuart
As an ex Fiddlers Laneite now in Adelaide,I will tell Debbie ( my niece)that you have found this active little site. She is now living in Queensland and has made some very interesting contributions to a site that is well worth visiting "Irlam and Cadishead ancestry"......Look for "Takeawayqueen"

All the best

James cashan: 13th May 2008 - 00:57 GMT

hello jon,
small world isn`t it u being mates with my cousin chris an all! cant remember who sprayed the van just recall spending hours wet n dry sanding the damn thing down it did rather stand out in the local traffic! I know julian (juche)he`s had a band going for some years playin the bars up town,not in one myself still write tunes for my own amusement on computer with guitar to keep the creative vein going.
Musically i always found irlam and cadishead rich and vibrant with plenty goin on and strong tradition of local musicians and bands,and disagree with some earlier sentiments that theres not much going on, irlam will always be this n that, but for me asa teenager
and young lad i wouldn`t have wanted to grow up anywhere else.
maybe it would be worth getting a link going just for all the local bands and musicians
who have tread the local hallowed boards, but dont know how u would go about it.

do you still live in irlam jon?

Gary Sparkes: 13th May 2008 - 02:12 GMT

hey ,has anyone got any more photos of irlam shopping centre (maypole) also what happened to tarzan bridge, isnt it there anymore??? you cant find ropeswings like that any more, i remember tying one in the wrong place ,trying it out only to smash into the wall at full speed haha, we didnt tell my mate(troy or coxy??) who didnt see it and told him to try it, he then proceeded and broke his arm on the wall, ha ha ha lol ps high james c

Re; KOTS: 13th May 2008 - 07:23 GMT

Hi James, I dont live in Cadishead anymore, now live in Hazel Grove after living in moton for 8 years. The great thing about Cadishead and Irlam was that There was lots of people to teach me how to play guitar (can't blame them for the fact that i'm a bit crap haha) There were a lot of bands for such a small area possibly due to the fact that it always has had a big Rocker/Biker community The thing lacking here in Stockport is community, Neighbours look at their feet when you walk past Ive been here two years now and feel invisible. Possibly thats why Ive been getting nostalgic for the old place recently, I think we all need a sense of connection with a place or with people and thats why I will always like cadishead in spite of its shortcomings it still has a familiar feel to it.

Stuart Brennan: 13th May 2008 - 10:50 GMT

Hello Norma,
I'm going to try and post an old class photo from Cadishead Juniors once I get my dad to scan it for me. He's the computer whizz in the family at 84!
I will have to dig the photo out first, but I think it was Mr Killer's class. I remembered it the other day because I got a message off Alan Blay, who I haven't seen since school, and he was standing next to me on the pic. There are one or two more of the old Victory Site lot on it, like Nezo Taylor, Rob Miller and Shane Dunn.
I was born and grew up in Flint Grove up on the Glaze Estate.
As for me being clever, well you're living in Oz and I'm in Stockport. That makes you a lot smarter than me!
I did end up at university, where I studied history, drinking, football and pool, not necessarily in that order.

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 13th May 2008 - 11:23 GMT

Hey Hi Stuart!! I sure do remember you - since finding this site I dug out all my old keepsakes and found my autograph book in which yourself and Gary Siddall contributed to! My daughter (14 years old) and I were having a good laugh at your entries only a few weeks ago!!.. do you remember the comments you wrote in there?? Well, let me refresh your memory... "Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, And your figure looks like our loo"... and another went like this..."You remind us of Eva Peron, Betty Gable, Marilyn Monroe - because they're all dead".... there's more, but perhaps I should leave it there!!!!???... Ofcourse as I am typing this there is a huge grin on my face 'cos it brings back some fond memories! Do you still keep in touch with Gary? I still keep in contact with Yvonne Massey and Janet Nicholson. If you want to 'catch up' over the net my address is
Cheers, Deb.

Stuart Brennan: 13th May 2008 - 12:09 GMT

Hello again Deb
Nice to see in your avatar that you've still got that big sunny smile!
I'm not really in close touch with any of the old Irlam High lot.
I last saw Gaz Siddall about six years ago when we both went to a 50th birthday party for Mr Hancox, the old PE teacher.
He was in the police - in fact he was in the armed unit and was working at the airport. We chewed over a lot of old times. Was your autograph book done at a party? I've got vague memories of a party somewhere down Broadway (must have been a good one!) - I remember Gaz, yourself, and Rebecca Reynolds, but very little else.
30 years on can I apologise if I wrote any of the insults in your book, though that sounds more like Gaz than me

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 13th May 2008 - 20:03 GMT

Hi Stuart,

I don't remember being in Mr Killers class... I will scan the pic I have, hopefully it will come out half decent, tho it's not a good copy to start with. I remember sitting next to Jayne Brickhill and chatting too much, the teacher separated us and made her sit next to Nezo and me next to Alan Blay... ewww boy germs, we all sat as far away from each other as possible!!

Hi Deb,

We used to have autograph books, apart from our friends we used to get all the neighbours to sign them. One grumpy fella (who shall remain nameless) put on mine 'bugger off and stop mithering folk'. That guy became the prime target for 'knock-a-door-run-away'.....

Ron Urry: 14th May 2008 - 00:00 GMT

Hi Rob....
Thanks for the photos.from the correspondance I see at least 1 person lived at no 19 Atherton Lane, where my mother was bn in 1922.
The house look in remarkably good condition for 100 yrs old.

Ron Urry: 14th May 2008 - 00:26 GMT

Hi , seeking some more info...
I have the 1901 census for Cadishead , RG 13 / 3662 / 113 / 15 with my grandmother
on it. They were living at 64 Whitfield Street.
Almost the next dwelling on the record is the George Hotel.Did the George Hotel stand
on the corner of Atherton Lane and Liverpool Road ?, and is it the building I can see
when on Google maps ?

Deb Simpkins (Massey): 14th May 2008 - 01:45 GMT

Hi Stuart,
no need to apologise, it was all done in good fun - at school on my last day. (and you are right - it was probably all Gaz!!). You and Garry ran off with the book and wrote on quite a few pages... always puts a big smile on my "mug" when I think of those days. It was a difficult time of my life and yet all my memories are good ones! I think that is one reason Irlam will always hold a special place in my heart (Goodness.. sounds like Hollywood!!!). You are right, we went to a party at Andrea Slaughter's house - infact I think I have a photo from it... will have a look! I take it you have checked out the other website seeing as you saw my photo! Haven't aged a bit have I!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Norma
your memory of a grumpy neighbour is quite funny! I could well imagine he regretted the day he wrote that!!! Hee Hee...

David Warrior: 14th May 2008 - 06:36 GMT

I looked on an old 1917 map of Cadishead and Whitfield Street ran off Atherton Lane,(in the area where Anglers Rest is now)
The George Hotel is still on the corner of Atherton and Liverpool Road.
Have a look at
Good web site for old Irlam/Cadishead maps

Rob Tynan: 14th May 2008 - 15:06 GMT

Hi Ron,
This is a 1926 Map. The photo was taken at the junction of Whitfield Street and Atherton Lane. You can see the George on the corner of Liverpool Road and Atherton Lane

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craig redmond: 14th May 2008 - 15:19 GMT

are you the rob tynan that went to st teresas and then st pats if so do you remember me

Rob Tynan: 14th May 2008 - 15:42 GMT

Hi Craig,

Yep, I remember you as well. Hows it going


James cashan: 15th May 2008 - 01:30 GMT

Re: jon burgess,
I agree, on the one hand people say every body knows your business on the other its good to have a sense of community and roots which a lot of people dont have from other areas. the time may have come and gone for me to fly the day my pipe dream may come true to retire to St.Ives,but i`d be safe in the knowledge that i could always come back to somewhere i know and chat to people from the past and keep that connection.
also cadishead has become a bit of a spiritual home for bikers especially with the hells angels club HQ north west,that would make a good photo with all the bikes out ask permission first ha, every year they do a charity toy run ,thousands of bikers turn up from all over europe,bev callard (coronation st.)fronted the ride one year,still with the coronation st connection ex pats on foreign lands may be interested to know that a local girl (michele keegan) plays the girlfriend of gail tyldsleys son.
our influence is far and wide! someone asked what is this connection with irlam and australia...maybe we are a colony all of our own as well!

Jon Burgess: 15th May 2008 - 06:42 GMT

James Cashan,
It would be great to start a thread dedicated to irlam and cadishead musicians and bands, there have been so many. My mates cousin from New Moss Road was the singer of a band called Kerosene in the crusty / neds atomic dustbin vein that got signed to a major (east west) in 91-92 big advance, even bigger promises and all that,Records in HMV and Virgin 18 months later he's on his a**e again. Evil Business. Sometimes it seems your better off playing for a laugh and beer money. My Band was called Red Hot Indians (what do you mean youve never heard of them hahaha)and we formed around 93, punky psychaedelic freakout stuff (AKA amateurish) played the wonderful george hotel 3 times, pubs in eccles and the dizzy heights of the Boardwalk sunday night snoozefest (4 people in the audience including the barstaff)3rd billing to Spandexed Hair Metal outfit from Leigh. Ha Ha Ha good memories though. How do you start a new forum?

James cashan: 16th May 2008 - 13:06 GMT

hi jon,
yea we`va all been there we played to one man and his dog at the jug in doncaster, a scene straight out of comic strips bad news episode! just gotta enjoy the buzz these things dont last forever,no expectations thats the key to hapiness!Seen neds atomic at preston poly 89-90 we played somewhere there cant remember name but recall dave gedge from wedding present came to seeus. Dont know how to start a seperate thread/forum,
someone mention neil taylor...not thee "Withneil and I" taylor now therres a character
a few years ago he actually stood as a candidate in local elections, youve gotta hand it to him, imagine that councillor Nez!
Re craig redmond you have brother mike (reggie)? tell him i said hello.

sam ross: craig redmond are you tony redmonds brother

James cashan: 19th May 2008 - 01:24 GMT

Hello Sam Ross

I think this is crossies email address ...give it a try

Lesley: 19th May 2008 - 04:38 GMT

hi there all ....well i came across ur site by accident as i have been looking for a long lost friend. I live in Sydney Aust now but when i knew Dave lived in Burton on Trent. Around 1974/5 I worked in Jersey, St Helier where i met Dave from Manchester, who was also working there at the time. I lost contact with him and I'm trying to find him. His family owned a bakery (supplier) in manchester, he was 32 yrs old when i knew him and drove a mustard mg sports car, he was a pastry chef, but was doing construction/labour in St Helier. I can't remember his surname but someone might know him if you have any information this is my email Thanks

sam ross: 19th May 2008 - 05:40 GMT

jon burgess any relation to myra and les burgess

Mark: 21st May 2008 - 11:55 GMT

Hi all!. I used to live in School Lane Irlam and went to Irlam Endowed. I was 8 when I left in 1970 to move to Sydney, Australia. i've got nothing but good memories of the place!.

anon ( 24th May 2008 - 11:12 GMT

Hi Andrew, Rob et al,
Just in case you're interested, there is a copy of a 100 year old ordnance survey map of Manchester - including Higher Irlam - free with this morning's Guardian newspaper (Sat, 24th).
Cheers - Sheila

Andrew Smith: 24th May 2008 - 13:29 GMT

Thanks Sheila - i may well nip out for that.

Bob Salmon: 25th May 2008 - 12:46 GMT

Hi James Cashan

Do you have a relative or know of a person called Vincent Cashan? He would have been born around the early to mid 1940s, if so I would like news of him as I went to school with him


James cashan: 25th May 2008 - 15:06 GMT

Hello Bob Salmon,

Yes Vincent Cashan is my father, coincidentally i have just spoken to him on the phone, he says he remembers you well and says hello, said you were at the same schools
cadishead junior and Senior before it became Alfred Turners,he said last time you spoke was probably in the 80`s and asks did you move to Lancaster?

Roxane: 28th May 2008 - 21:17 GMT

Hi everyone,

I'm doing a uni project on the industrial hitory of Cadishead and was wondering if anyone had any old pictures, maps or stories of the area I could use. Also if anyone is interested in looking at any pictures etc I have already collected or reading my project, feel free to email me anytime. Thanks, Roxy.

Bob Salmon: 29th May 2008 - 23:21 GMT

Hi James Cashan

It is nice to know that Vincent is still going, does he know of any of the others we went to school with? Alive or dead, I think that there must be more than just the two of us that have survived.

I moved to Morecambe in the 80s, and am now retired.


James cashan: 30th May 2008 - 02:27 GMT

Hi bob salmon

Thanks, he`s still going picked him up from salford Royal (hope hospital)today after a little knee op, so hope to have him fell walking for the summer ha! I will ask about other friends and faces over next few days he said youwere a good fellow,
best wishes james,

Joanne amorello-minor: 30th May 2008 - 23:47 GMT

Hi Guys...
sorry i've not been on for a while..had my reasons!well with many thanks for their help which without I would still be lost to Alan Taylor and Marissa we pieced up a lot of information about my family.Anyway I was just shedding a tear a moment ago looking at pics of Irlam precinct and the memories came flooding back to my childhood as it has often when I have been on this site, sorry Marrissa will pay more attention to your site too.I've been a bit neglectful but with searching day and night days and weeks on end I had to give it a rest for a while.Sometimes it got frustrating!
Its amazing to see that people catch up with each other after many years and share such wonderful memories from all generations...its just so darn interesting.
Just a flashback here but what was the big house at the end of Cutnook the top end opposite Claybank Cottages?That house used to fascinate me as a kid walking home from school.As coming on here often triggers memories I thought had long gone I shall sleep on it tonight and see what I can remember...I remember Dr Walker he was our family doctor too, he came round to our house.I remember him when I was 5 coming round.I think he used to scare me !anyway I hope you are all well and glad to see you all still here.catch up soon Jo...x

Cyril Bagshaw: 1st Jun 2008 - 13:16 GMT

Hi Joanne,
Here is a photo of my old family home where I was taken to live after being born several months earlier in 1925 the one nicely painted in pink and nicely kept by the present owners.

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The cottages ( Claybank) are on Liverpool road opposite Woodbine Terrace which is adjascent to where the Shopping precinct was.

The large house that you are trying to recall, if it was on the corner of Liverpool road and Moorfield road which lead up to Cutnook lane, then it was Dr Walkers home and surgery.

Cheers Cyril...

tom otoole : 3rd Jun 2008 - 09:40 GMT

alreet cash and sparky and all who contribute to this fascinating site great pictures and stories.has anyone pictures of the steelworks as my dad , grandad and three uncles all worked there from the fifties until it closed.

Sheila Vaudrey: 3rd Jun 2008 - 14:10 GMT

Hiya Joanne, I remember you mum Susan, we lived next door but one to her in Harewood Road, I think her father was an ambulance driver and her mum also worked for the health service, I do remember that your mum was working at a nursing home on Half Edge Lane in Eccles, I do know where the building is but it has changes it's name since then. so good luck with your search from Sheila xxx

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 00:35 GMT

Hello master Tom welcome aboard............i thnk we are due a night out somewhere!

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:07 GMT

This is a photo of the opening day of the princess park Train on Cadishead way with my step Grandad Ken Connor as guest of honour 2nd from left, he has now sadly passed away late last year 2007, he worked on the soap works painter and decorater by trade and used to paint and maintain the train when it was in service and being the only one left from the bunch was asked to unveil it.image 27942

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:19 GMT

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this is my grandad connor as a young man centre in this picture

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:31 GMT

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From the right my cousin andrea her two sons, my dad Vincent Cashan stood behind his mum Edith Connor Wife of Ken Connor 2nd from left, lived down kings road,Nelson drive and currently Drake Ave

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:37 GMT

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A bit of well deserved pomp,trumpets at the ready just before the opening ceremony!

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:41 GMT

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James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:43 GMT

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James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:47 GMT

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crowds gather round the plaque.

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:53 GMT

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I believe it was the rotary club that raised the money to save the train and that the council were actually going to scrap it,yet were quick to basque in the limelight of local pride.

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 01:56 GMT

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James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 02:38 GMT

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3rd from left grandad and nana (Edith & Ken connor)then my dad Vincent Cashan

James cashan: 6th Jun 2008 - 02:46 GMT

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Ken Connor R.I.P. a fitting memorial we refer to it as "Kens Engine" and i always think of him when i pass in my car, the cortege` stopped for a few minutes at the train so we could remember him by this.

Rob Tynan: 6th Jun 2008 - 22:44 GMT

Hi James,

Great photo's. You are right about the Council grabbing the limelight. Typical really, any excuse for a photo opportunity.


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 7th Jun 2008 - 10:58 GMT

Hi James,

Thanks for putting the photo's on... I haven't been back to Cadishead since the train was moved, but have heard how good it looks. It must be a good feeling to have a relative who maintained it with such pride.


Olwen Gillet (nee Dawson): 7th Jun 2008 - 12:11 GMT

Wow, I have just found this site and have had a good read ending up with smarting eyes, but what a joy it is to read of peoples' memories of Irlam/Cadishead, mainly Cadishead where I was born many moons ago.
Pat Bolton is my sister-in-law, Norma our neice, and I also know James Massey.
I was born in Square Fold (The Barracks) of which there is a lovely photo on Irlam/Cadishead Ancestry which I appreciate very much.
Will keep up with interest....Good Night

Sheila Vaudrey: 7th Jun 2008 - 13:10 GMT

Thanks James, for the photo's of the train, my children played on it when it was in the park. Sorry to hear that your granddad passed away, as I remember him being in the next bed to my husband when he was in Hope hospital, he showed off his photo's with pride, to the nurses. What a nice Gentleman he was and he had a great outlook on life, I am just glad I now know a bit more about the trains past, once again a big thank you, from Sheila

James cashan: 7th Jun 2008 - 15:43 GMT

Thanks for the compliments Rob T. Norma B. and sheila V. (finally sussed out the pixel thing!)It is nice to feel a special connection to this public tribute ney icon of irlam and cadisheads` past through my granddad connor.I`m sure he never dreamt that a job he did all those years ago 50s n 60s would come to be so publicly significant 50 years on and reinvigorated him towards the end. He belonged to that era where craftsmen and skills and experience were widely valued and respected fom the young upwards,i dont think that respect exists much with todays computer generation.(now i am talking like my dad and to think i was a punk rocker!) Hope your husband is fit and well sheila.

James cashan: 7th Jun 2008 - 15:47 GMT

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This may not read to well after reducing the pixels,but thought it was a charming story in the salford Advertiser a few weeks ago

Gaynor Miller: 10th Jun 2008 - 10:41 GMT

Hi Tom I think all our Grandads fathers and Uncles worked on the Steel works I know mine did, they worked with yours I will have to dig some photo's out of your Grandad Tom , Nanna Hannah and send them you send me your e-mail adress. Do you see any of the old faces? Nicko and the rest we should do another reunion!!!!!I remember your nana & grandad as I lived next door when they lived on Charles Street. This is a great site was wandering if anyone remembers my dad or grandad Geoff and Charles Miller they died when I was young so was hoping someone may have some memories/photos!!


Rob Tynan: 10th Jun 2008 - 23:14 GMT

Hi Norma,

Regarding the last photo posted on the 27 April by Sue Taylor, I have a possible name for the chap playing in Cadishead Band. It could be George Lightfoot if thats any help.


Joanne Amorello Minor: 10th Jun 2008 - 23:18 GMT

Hello Sheila, Yes thats right about my nanna and grandad and mum, my nan was Jessie and my grandad was Bob, my nan was an auxillary nurse at Bridgewater Hospital and my grandad an ambulance driver, then at the steelworks.Unfortunatly they have all passed now my nan being the last in 2003 do you remember me and our Vicky living there?You seem to be the only person who remembers us Lol!Well lovely to hear from you!Thanks for reminding me Cyril about Dr Walkers its all fitting into place,all thes little childhood memories I have are slowly peicing together thanks to this wonderful site,I never want to lose those,I just hope one day I could come upto Irlam for a visit, its been 17 years or so since my last visit maybe more.Hello everyone hope you are all well.Jo....x

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 11th Jun 2008 - 07:22 GMT

Hi Rob,

Thanks, but that name doesn't ring a bell, not sure who I was thinking of...


anon ( 11th Jun 2008 - 07:27 GMT

Hi Joanne,
If you want to see some old Irlam photos, its worth visiting the Irlam and Cadishead Ancestry web site and loggin in.


John (aged 44 and a bit): 11th Jun 2008 - 11:04 GMT

Ahh so many memories. I left irlam in 1985 not i may add for the sandy beaches and climate of a far off land but the more mundane surroundings of Oldham. I grew up on Parkstone Road on the "estate" Mostly named after birds Dove Swallow Robin etc. The Moss and Princes Park were my playground. I went to Moorfield Primary and Irlam High. I dont go back to Irlam too often but am saddened at the changes that time has undertaken on my old town. Not because i want to stop progress but because it reminds me that my memories of places once so vital and important are fading fast. I fished the old river, i climbed the railway bridges, i camped in Skeleton Wood and was chased around the peat fields more times than i care to remember. It seemed a time of long summers and carefree childhood especially in 1976 during "that summer". The joy of sites and discussions like this one is that it helps revive memories you had forgotten you had. Irlam might not have been well known, it might not have been a bustling metropolis of art and culture, it might not have been the best place in the world but you know what? it was to me and to all you who have posted on here or you would not have taken the time to post. It was our world and it contained within it everything and everone important to us. As someone once said (and i paraphrase of course) You can take the boy out of Irlam but you cant take Irlam out of the boy. Keep the memories coming Thank You

cyril bagshaw: 12th Jun 2008 - 00:26 GMT

Hi John
I believe you have captured the feelings of most of the contributors to this page most eloquently.No matter how far away from the nest some of us have flown, those childhood images are still with us.
Now that I have found these informative sites, I have become quite an addict in my old age.

Cheers Cyril... ( Adelaide)

Steve Weir: 12th Jun 2008 - 15:10 GMT

Here's a few more topics for you to get your teeth into...Irlam Social Club (Home of Doctor Death the wrestler that could wip us teenagers into a frenzy with his dastardly deeds).
Potatoe picking (form of slave labor & backbreaking)..Twigs farm..Muskers (the fields off Cutnook lane)
Bonfire raiding with the overspill crowd......the list goes on.

James cashan: 13th Jun 2008 - 23:45 GMT

RE Bob Salmon.Tom O Toole Jnr.

I picked up your Uncle Terry O Toole from catholic going to Woolston Thurs. night (I taxi for local firm initials C.C. no prizes for guessing and no hate mail pls!)with him was a chap over from Australia called Mike Melani (i think) ex pat visiting, got chatting you know,I know him he knows me etc, he knew my dad, says he lived on partington Rd off Kings Rd, tells them about this site, can keep in touch from Ozzy Land.Mike says he remembers Bob Salmon, my dad also mentions Peter Robinson, Malcom Kennedy and Peter Lawson from his era any of these names ringin bells bob?
Anyway hello fellas when u manage to find site and welcome to the I.C.A.S (Irlam & Cadishead Appreciation Society!ha ha)

Jon Burgess: 14th Jun 2008 - 08:23 GMT

Hi all, not been on for a while. Some names are ringing bells with me in the above entry, Malc Kennedy is a good mate of my dads (John Burgess), Pete lawson from irlam friends with mine and my cousins family (O'dells) in Irlam if its the same one he used to do a fruit and veg van around the area. James, saw you on youtube the other day someones posted a few kots vids one off MTV but you probably already know, interesting stuff!!. Sam Ross, les and Myra are my uncle and aunty. Saw les in april in Turkey he runs a pub near Billinge, hes doing alright for himself. Steve Weir- I used to work on farms on cadishead moss in the summer hols 8 hours of weeding a day for £40 quid a week back breaking stuff! still £40 seemed to go a long way, usually spent in the Rialto - Does anyone remember the couple that ran it in the late 80's? They were from down south, the bloke was an axcellent Luthier (guitar maker) he showed me some stunning acoustic guitars that he had made - didnt leave me one when he left though hahaha

James cashan: 14th Jun 2008 - 12:56 GMT

Hello jon B.

Malcom Kennedy is related to my dad through marriage of his mum to Ken connor (pics of Train), I lived and dad still lives across road from Pete n Viv Lawwson on The Crescent they were best mates from the rock n roll years, the fruit n veg round was originally my dads and he sold it on to Pete. Lee o dell is an old friend we all used to hang out at another friends house John sheils, playing cards and listening to punk records,their spare room was our youth club, thanks to Margeret and Pete, among the attendees were me jim white,ian davies,alan may lee odell...
Can you ask your uncle, sam ross if he made contact with crozzy...? I posted his email add a few weeks ago. I haven`t seen you tube mtv vid, only knew off the snub tv one, do remember doing one or two for mtv though sounds like somethings been dug up from the crypt, will check it out. I remember going rialto snooker with my mate jim 82 -84...we had a band going with tom o toole called lively hearts and the guy from rialto had an 8 track and recorded soome songs for us...wether this is the same fellow? I recall him telling us about some young spotty scottish herbert school boy protege` coming down for an exhibition called stephan hendry "listen out for him, he`s going to be big" he said.

James cashan: 14th Jun 2008 - 13:10 GMT

Hello again johh B.

P.S. I`ve tried twice to start a seperate heading page titled "irlam and cadishead musicians bands and artists" so every one could share memories specific to this topic but it keeps being deleted by the editors,why i`m falling foul i dont know, we`ve got "these thing no longer exist" and also "irlam" so why cant their be a third category? any suggestions,help or maybe you or someonelse fancies trying?

Sheila Vaudrey: 14th Jun 2008 - 15:27 GMT

Hello to all the musicians, I came across this in leaflet from the Eccles Library about a Music exhibition that is being held at Salford Museum and Art Gallery, on the Crescent at Salford:- Quiffs, Riffs and Tiffs, telling the stories of the Salford Music Scene from 1950 to the present day, it opens in October, they are on the look out for memorabilia as well as personal memories, just thought it would interest you, its worth a visit and it's usually FREE, from Sheila

Pat Fleming (nee Brannan): 14th Jun 2008 - 22:47 GMT

What a great site!! Just spent a morning reading through the messages and re-living my youth. I lived at 93, Lyndhurst Ave until I was about 5 years old. I remember a lady called Phylis who worked at a grocers and we called her Aunty but she wasn't really. Moved to 1, Brook Grove where I stayed until I left to get married in 1981. I went to Irlam Endowed (remember Mr. Shaw who used to throw the board rubber at you?) I vividly remember whiskins who sold the most delicious salmon paste and I used to love Paki Petes and would spend what money I had there. We used to shop at Culshaws Newsagent for sweets etc and my brothers did paper rounds there. I remember the "shopping centre "being built and we used to play on the building site. I remember going to the Maypole when the miners strike was on and they had candles!My dad used to take us to the Boathouse on a sunday afternoon where we would sit outside with a lemonade. I also remember the Salford overspill being built. When we first moved to Brook Grove it wasn't paved and did have a brook at the end of it where we would catch sticklebacks and frogs but like all things it was built on. Princes Park was a favourite place - remember the thing that had chains with handles attatched suspended from it that you hung on to, I have had several whacks from that - we were hardy then! I remember the paddling pool which seemed to always have glass in it and the sand pit, the park was round the back then. When they had the train it always smelled of wee! We would go out early morning with jam butties and a bottle of water either to the park or up the moss and stay out till bedtime. We would go potatoe picking on Smiths farm (up on the overspill ) and it was back breaking. We would be taken to St, Johns church from the Endowed School at easter and we would be given the afternoon off. Last year my husband and I had our vows blessed at St. Johns and guess who was playing the organ? Our old teacher from Endowed - Mrs Halliwell - who remembered our family!I was one of 7 children (don't know if anyone remembers us? )Bonfire night was great as everyone vied to have the biggest bonfire and raided other ones. 20 row was there when we moved to Brook Grove and it was a great shame when they knocked it down, I remember Hodnetts the ironmongers that used to smell of parafin.The fair coming on the park was always a great event and eagerly looked forward to. I used to go to St.John's youth club on a Monday night and play badminton, they sometimes had an outing to Blackpool.My mum worked at Beechfield House which was an old peoples home in Cutnook Lane and my dad worked at the ROF in Patricroft. Irlam in the 70's was a great place - not at all like it is now.Great days!

James cashan: 15th Jun 2008 - 14:39 GMT

Hi sheila,

Thanks for the heads up sounds interesting, don`t suppose you know the date of the exhibitiion?

cheers james,

Sheila Vaudrey: 15th Jun 2008 - 15:31 GMT

hello James, I read about it in "Life Times Link" a free booklet in the Library, it just says that it is being planned for October this year, here is a link to the article on the website,
I will try and pick you a copy of the booklet up, from you from Eccles Library.

anon ( 15th Jun 2008 - 18:33 GMT

Anyone got photo's of the salford overspill being built or pictures in Irlam in the 1970's Would like to see them on the site if you have !!!! Thanks.

Bob Salmon: 16th Jun 2008 - 00:19 GMT

Hi James

Off hand I cannot remember Mike Melani although the name rings a bell somewhere?
Peter Robinson I remember from school and have not heard of him since we left school.
Malcolm Kennedy was a good friend at one time and I was often to be found at his house. Malcolm’s mother used to be a barmaid in the Cadishead Railway, (now the Plough), she was one of the few people credited with being able to pull a pint in one pull on the old system, (wooden barrels), before they installed electric pumps everywhere, to use with metal kegs.
Pete Lawson I knew for many years, including when we bought our fruit and veg from him. I have just read out to my wife (Cath) the fact that you lived across the road from Pete Lawson. Do you by any chance know a neighbour, one Norman Dakers, (Cath’s uncle), and have you a relative called Simon who married Norman’s daughter Kathryn?

I know that Glyn Shawcross is still alive and kicking, does your dad know if Clive Darnton, (from Cadishead moss), is still around?

Give my best wishes to your dad and tell him that I moved to Morecambe 24 years ago and that I also have a knee problem, the knee caused me to retire early which was not a bad thing as the Management where I worked have turned more savage than usual, they have the staff too terrified to do anything, they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, if they make a mistake they are very liable to get sacked. I got out just in time.


Dave Moore: 17th Jun 2008 - 15:19 GMT

Does anyone remember Marie Tighe from Cadishead or Linda Bunting from Irlam. Recall a lot of good nights spent at the Catholic Club and the White Horse.

Tony Harrison: 20th Jun 2008 - 12:57 GMT

My great great grandfather John Morris is recorded as living in Gerrards Court in 1841. Can you tell me whether this is now Gerrards Close?

anon: 21st Jun 2008 - 00:16 GMT

bloody hell!!!!!!! i only went on the internet to check my emails!
3 hour later i finally read the last post on this web site!
i have a headache now and blurred vision.

anon: 21st Jun 2008 - 00:18 GMT

does anyone remember the oggys from fiddler lane. edna used to take kids swimming in the river???
or the o'reillys from caroline street, right bunch i've heard!!!!!

Sheila Vaudrey: 21st Jun 2008 - 11:24 GMT

look under Manchester Irlam, on citynoise, Dean Ogden has got a couple of posts on there, he is Edna's Grandson,

cyril bagshaw: 21st Jun 2008 - 13:18 GMT

Hi Tony
Gerrards Close is a cul-de-sac off Ferryhill road Irlam. This estate was only built in the 1930's, and was built on farm property.

Cheers Cyril....

Debra Sumner nee Warburton: 23rd Jun 2008 - 16:44 GMT

Hi found your article by accident i went to moorfield school, and Irlam High and lived on Kestrel drive until 1983 i then moved onto Harewood road, i remember Brian Bagshaw being in my class at junior school and those lovely chickens that his Dad sold,i can recall Bates' Hardware, Graham went to my junior school as well i have memories of being served by Roy Bamber in his shop before he bought the post office,wow really enjoyed, reading all the comments. I now live in Woolston my parents still live in Irlam . My ex brother in law and his Dad were on the photo of Iram and Cadishae Snooker team.

Gary Sparkes: 24th Jun 2008 - 04:16 GMT

i am drawing a overhead plan of the maypole(irlam shopping centre)so far i have the TSB, harrys chippy(lovely),hesketh amd claire(butcher),gemtime??,electronic shop???,bingo place???,supermarket???,norman lownes grocer with mrs egan knittware,optician???,newsagents (stuart???),cant remember any more,does anyone have any more info or photos(not existing on here)names or anything which will assist me thanks .ps will post on here when done

John (aged 44 and a bit): 24th Jun 2008 - 08:45 GMT

I remember the Supermarket being called Liptons and the newsagents Lesters. My old juniour school teacher Mrs Hover worked there for a while.I also remember the market that was held there in the middle. Not sure of dates though.

Pat Fleming (nee Brannan): 24th Jun 2008 - 12:06 GMT

The supermarket was called the Maypole I think, the market was in the early 70's. I used to buy singles from a man who sold second hand records - which I still have up in the loft as I can't bear to part with them. I used to take my records to the youth club and play them on a Monday night which was in the St Pauls schoolroom.

Gary Sparkes: 24th Jun 2008 - 22:25 GMT

thanks john and pat i just need a few more shops to complete the drawing

Peter: 24th Jun 2008 - 23:47 GMT

gary: will you share your drawing with us when you complete it?

Gary Sparkes: 25th Jun 2008 - 03:56 GMT

sure will peter,but as i said i am still a few peices short of the jigsaw namely shops, names,although i have the layout and surrounding area i am still unsure of the correct number of units the ones i have are named above, cheers

Tracy Kelly: 25th Jun 2008 - 08:03 GMT

What a great site first visit but will definately be returning.i have been talking to a great couple, and Mr Jack Scallan told me that No 7 Marlborough Road used to be a police station and the toll road was also at the bottom of Marlborough. Loooks like we are going backwards with the new congestion charges.ha ha Would love more news on these tales from anyone.

Susan Taylor (nee O'Reilly): 25th Jun 2008 - 12:53 GMT

Hi Annon

I am one of the O'Reilly's from Caroline Street. Very respectable family! You will see an earlier entry about my dad Tom, he had an allotment on Tramway Road. Both he and my brother Tommy worked at Irlam Steelworks.My mother, Josie worked for Irlam council offices, and also at the White Horse,she worked there with Mrs Edwards one of our neighbours.One of my sisters, Julie, married Jim Ogden. What a lovely family the Ogden's are, I remember Edna well, a fantastic lady,she taught the majority of Irlam children how to swim, Jim worked with her for a while at Irlam pool. I taught Paul Ogen at GSCE level when I was employed at Pendleton College, I worked there as an English tutor.

Rob Tynan: 25th Jun 2008 - 19:37 GMT

Hi Gary,

I seem to remember that when the "Maypole" was first built, the centre of the site was grass with a white wooden fence around it. It was later flagged over when the market started up.


anon ( 28th Jun 2008 - 03:55 GMT

yeah gary the supermarket was liptons and there was a record shop as well wasnt there a record shop on the main rd near the post office near the bus stop .does anyone remember a group of lads that used to do northern soul dancing in the youth club up in irlam on the corner of fairhills rd they had bowling shirts and bags on they got me into northern big replies from norma bannon please i see you every day mrs warbois

Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): You are sooo funny Sam!!

Karl daniels: 29th Jun 2008 - 00:34 GMT

Norma Bannon =

sorry for the long and slow reply, Lesley daniels is my mum and she used to work there, its a doctors now and the play school is at the bottom of ferryhill road.

Lynne Dowling does live in irland now and keeps in touch with my mum from time to time.

for Roland Daniels I dont think we have any relation with them in any way :-)


Norma Bannon (nee Bolton): 29th Jun 2008 - 20:07 GMT

Hi Karl,

Thanks for the reply. Say hi to your mum for me.

I got back in touch with Lynne a few months ago and we send regular emails, she has just become a grandma for the first time.


Sheila Hilton: 30th Jun 2008 - 11:00 GMT

Hya Sue,
I take it that your comments about your family (O'Reilly) were in response to anon's comments above. I suspect they were made in jest, but that wasn't made clear if they were. Perhaps anon would care to reveal him/herself. See you soon -

Sheila Hilton: 30th Jun 2008 - 11:06 GMT

Gary Sparkes - re shopping centre:
There was also a shoe shop opposite the entrance and a little to the right (not too far from the bank).I remember buying my son a pair of Doc Martens from there, for school. A fraction of what they cost now, even taking inflation into consideration.

Gary Sparkes: cheers sheil near the chippy butchers?

Sheila Hilton: Gary: Yes, thats the one Sheila

Karl daniels: 1st Jul 2008 - 17:14 GMT


I told my mum and she was gob smacked, she doesnt understand the internet lol

is there a way of sending some one an email on here to some one? as she was woundering :-)



Terry Gorman: 2nd Jul 2008 - 16:34 GMT

Hi Andrew
I am the final stages of a book about the non-league football grounds of Lancashire, and was very interested in the photo of the old Irlam Town clubhouse in Silver Street. Would there be any copyright problem if we used it in the book (with credit to either yourself or whoever took it)?
Incidentally, if anyone else has photos of the old Silver Street ground as it was when the Town team played in the North West Counties, we would be ever so grateful to see them.
Many thanks
Terry Gorman

Andrew Smith: 2nd Jul 2008 - 20:16 GMT

Hi Terry, sounds an interesting book.

The photo was taken by my friend Dom Smith. I'm sure copyright would not be a problem. If you give me your email address I'll pass it onto him. If you can wait I can get the photo back off him and re-scan it at a higher resolution for you.

If not, once we get Dom's go-ahead I can send you a bigger version than the one above, though the quality isn't great and it would benefit from scanning it again.

Natalie Waterworth (Brophy): 3rd Jul 2008 - 14:29 GMT

Gary sparkes, re the maypole there was a shop that sold electrical goods next to the shoe shop and laundrette on the other side. Over near lesters newsagents there was a haidressers. The supermarket was def called Liptons. There were steps next to the bank and in front of lesters that took you upstairs where there were flats on the second level. I dont remember Norman Lowndes having a green grocershop there, he was always down on the front next door but one to our bakery. and grocers ( which we sold to paki pete). I think there was a legal office/solicitors near Liptons.

Steve Boyle: 5th Jul 2008 - 09:50 GMT

Can anybody help me? I'm trying to find out what was originally on Lee Close, Irlam (Basically just around the corner from Irlam Primary school and close to Irlam Endowed. Lee close I think was built in approx 1962 potentially on just a field with a nursery called Springfield Nurseries. Is that correct or was there a Tennis Club once there? Also anybody know why it was called Lee Close? Somebody said that it was named after Paster Lee from the local church. Many Thanks.

Rob Tynan: 5th Jul 2008 - 12:03 GMT

Hi Steve,

Here is a map from 1926. You can see the school. Elsinore Avenue dosnt exist yet. If you look carefully you will find the position of Lee Close.
The Tennis Club was off Springfield Lane behind the houses on Vicarage Road. Hop this helps.


Unable to post map. Will try later


Jamie: 5th Jul 2008 - 12:41 GMT

Note from editors: Would you guys like some kind of Irlam local history discussion forum site setting up? Not that I'd want to discourage you from using the site but it doesn't lend itself well to these kind of lengthy off-topic discussions. Interesting as they are. Contact details can be found on my site

Peter: 7th Jul 2008 - 14:37 GMT

im with jamie on this one... no offense, like... this thread is just generating lots of hyper-specific commentary thats become sort of tangential to the greater scope of this site as a whole...

Rob Tynan: 7th Jul 2008 - 16:15 GMT

If anyone wants to discuss any aspect of Irlam and Cadishead in detail, then you would be very welcome to join Irlam and Cadishead Ancestry at The content of which is entirely made up of "hyper-specific commentry"


Jamie: 7th Jul 2008 - 16:24 GMT

I think this is a good a place as any to wind this post up. Comments closed

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