A Grisly Example of Man's Inhumanity

Brad: 10th Apr 2006 - 20:31 GMT

Wow, that's so screwed up. The people standing around laughing (at least some appear to be) are idiots.

GGP: 10th Apr 2006 - 20:35 GMT

I think it was somewhat nervous, uncomfortable laughter but yes, it certainly didn't make me want to laugh.

hool: 10th Apr 2006 - 20:37 GMT

if you find this abhorrent, ask yourself, do you eat meat?

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 10th Apr 2006 - 20:56 GMT

I eat meat. And under the right circumstances, I'd eat a cat.
However, this grisly cat-sicle in Union Square smacks of someone being fiendishly unbalanced. If it isn't a fake cat and ketchup.

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 10th Apr 2006 - 20:57 GMT

What puts me off my horse steak is those horrific eighties boots with green laces. That's a hate crime.

GGP: 10th Apr 2006 - 21:25 GMT

a bit wicked witch of the west, eh?
it looked pretty real...not ketchup, alas.

chiamattt: 10th Apr 2006 - 21:49 GMT

what happened? didn't you stay and watch it melt? That would have been proper.

groovehouse: 10th Apr 2006 - 22:02 GMT

"most serial killers start off by torturing and killing animals" -- as told to me by the local police department after my cat was shot once in the jaw and once in the neck and survived!

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 10th Apr 2006 - 22:07 GMT

I'm sorry it wasn't street art (as questionable as a fake cat-in-an-icecube would be).

GGP: 10th Apr 2006 - 22:30 GMT

yeah, groovehouse, there is a high correlation between cruelty to animals and violence against human beings; witness the entire human society.

i.s.w. y: 11th Apr 2006 - 03:34 GMT

man...that woman with the green boots.....you know if she wore the right clothes she could be gorgeous.......instead.....you know, when you wear day glo clothing it just blinds people......so exactly what the dude above me said...she's like the wicked witch from the east!

i.s.w. y: 11th Apr 2006 - 03:36 GMT

ok just looked again at the picture and I think I'm taking my statement back........
the frozen cat i suppose makes anything look tastier as long as it's not a 2nd frozen car

Tamara: 11th Apr 2006 - 04:43 GMT

I wish I had taken your warning more seriously... Let's just say I have a black cat at home. A truely horrific scene!

I think I'll put the keema back in the fridge for another day.

a nony mouse: 11th Apr 2006 - 13:57 GMT

i.s.w.y:

i actually know the woman in the green boots. that's so weird.

(and no, she wouldn't be. she's surprisingly photogenic, but in real life she looks terribly ill)

IAN: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:05 GMT

Those kids that are laughing need to be kicked in the face.

mika: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:12 GMT

i would love to see the person responsible recieve the same treatment.. i have 4 cats and they might be a pain but I WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT

doja: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:15 GMT

that is sick.

yeah, whoever is laughing should have the same fate.

i can't imagine something like this happening to my kitties. but much worse fates do come to animals in slaughter houses. all who eat meat support the torture.

jennofavalon: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:27 GMT

I have to say I was very hesitant to look. And the whole scene is disturbing. The poor animal dead in a block of ice, and the morons of NYC standing around. With all the cell phones, apparently taking photos of this poor sad disturbing scene. It floors me that no one thought to call the authorties. Did the "witness" who saw the man dump this block even talk to police.. did he give a discription. I am sure if a baby in ice or a human head in ice was dumped on Union Square it would have been swarming with police activity and no one would be giggling like idiots. It's a sad shame how people have a lack of sense when it comes to animals.

leviticus: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:27 GMT

Listen, I love animals as much as the next person and have 3 cats (well my parents have 3 cats) but to be honest there is a HUGE difference between a human head and a cat. IceCat may have already been dead (and maybe not even a cat) and if it wasnt you would have a hard time proving so, seeing as how it is frozen in a block of ice. If you could obtain human heads readily I'm sure that would get the same reaction (i.e., indifference).

So basically someone killed an animal which happens thousands of times a day, for their meat amongst other reasons and then froze it in ice (basically same thing as putting it in your freezer), If the cat suffered while dying that is a shame but just becasue it was frozen in a block of ice doesnt make it nessecitate a cruel death.

Yes animals should be allowed to live in peace, but we also shouldnt go crazy about every little thing.

vintage virgo: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:29 GMT

it is really inhumanity? im not sure i would jump to a conclusion like that. i guess it depends whether that cat was dead before the "ice incident" or not. artists all around the world have been toiling with different ways to grab societies attention, and usually in cruel and weird ways. the statement itself, although i would never be 100% sure what it is, you would have to ask the man what his intentions were... but look at the crowd, look at the gossip... the questions. in a city such as new york, basically a breeding ground for sin, a dead cat on ice doesnt really seem that cruel. in my opinion anyways.

but then, on the other hand, it could be just some sick fuck who froze a cat. =P

anon (c-71-199-180-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net): 11th Apr 2006 - 15:29 GMT

this cat deserves some dignity.

delascabezas: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:31 GMT

haoxtable - unless someone has access to a whole lot of superfreezing apparatus, i don't see how someone could freeze a cat with the blood seeping out of it like that. if you have ever had a bleeding wound in a lot of water, it turns the water red pretty damn quick. then there is the issue of getting the cat to sit still while it is being frozen...

i am leaning towards either so psychotically driven that it is engineered properly and real OR a good hoax, which does more or less what the artist wanted - gets a bunch of people riled up.

my main question is, since everyone has such strong opinions about it - what if someone found a dead cat on the sidewalk or something, and used it to make this, shall we call it, "performance art" - the cruelty there is then implied, as is the message the piece carries, and the reactions of the audience.

food for thought.

vanoogan: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:33 GMT

...or, of course, the animal could have ruptured during a slow freeze. lord knows ive had bottles of soda burst in the freezer, and a cat seems like it could be a similarly-fated container of liquid, when frozen...

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 15:55 GMT

In October of 1988, I was 19 and still lived with my parents in the officers' house assigned to my Dad in Canadian Forces Base Greenwood, Nova Scotia. One day that month, the paper boy opened our back screen door to toss the paper inside, as is normal for Canadian paperboys to do. However this paperboy was new, and did not see the need to catch Puddy, our 10 year old orange tabby, when he dashed outside. Puddy went missing for the next 3 days, which was unusual, as he usually went home after wandering for a bit.

On the 3rd day, we got a call from the vet, saying that someone had brought Puddy to him, and he was not in good shape. Apparently, Puddy had been shot in the hindquarters a block away, and had been trying for 2 days to crawl home. Someone finally found him and took him to the vet, wherupon he was recognized and we were called. The vet tried his best, but had to amputate Puddy's hind right leg, as the femur had been shattered beyond repair. We got him home that night, and Puddy was making a good try at learning to hop about on 3 legs. But after about 45 minutes, he tried to use the litterbox. When he did, he let out this horrible scream, went into convulsions and died. It turned out that what the vet had had no way of knowing was that the same bullet that had shattered Puddy's leg had also severed his urinary tract, so when he tried to pee in the litterbox, he poisoned his own bloodstream, and died a horribly painful death in our kitchen. So eneded the life of the cat that many described as the world's friendliest, as well as one of the tallest (I am 5' 11", and he could stand on the floor on his hind legs and paw at my ribcage while I was standing upright). My mother and I were in tears for hours at the trauma of losing a member of the family in such a way. To make matters even worse, Tigger, our 15 year old tabby, was so traumatized at watching Puddy, his closest companion of the last 10 years, die in agony in front of him, that he refused to ever eat again, and he died three weeks later. And my parents were in the middle of a divorce, with my mother planning to move to Morocco at the end of the month. Life was definitely not good.

A few days later, I was at the local bar behind the airbase we lived on, when I mentioned what had happened to somebody at the bar. This guy informed me that another guy had been there the night before, bragging about shooting a cat that had been fighting with his cat. I did a little research, and found out that the person who had shot Puddy lived on the block behind us and was an Air Force Captain, same as my Dad. Puddy had been shot with a C-7 rifle (the Canadian version of the M-16 assualt rifle) that had been set to triple burst, but only one bullet had hit him.

I raced home to tell my parents what I had learned. The next day, my mother raced outside and managed to catch me and my Dad walking over to Captain Fuckface's place, baseball bats in hand. She was able to persuade us to return home and to not do anything that would land us behind bars. We then did something worse than rearranging the asshole's face, we called the Military Police. We were never able to get any charges laid against him in regards to the killing of Puddy, but it turned out that he was not supposed to have his service rifle at his place of residence, and he was definitely not supposed to be discharging it in a residential area of a military base, especially an area where many higher-ranking officers lived with their wives and kids. The end result of the investigation was that Captain Fuckface's 21 years of service to the Queen and Canada had just come to an abrupt end, with the now-Mister Fuckface stripped of his rank, dishonourably discharged and all eligibility for pension forfeited. Within 48 hours, he was off the base, and was an unemployed civilian. This was a week after shooting Puddy, and 2 weeks before Tigger died of starvation.

So in reference to the frozen cat (if in fact that is what it was) dumped in Union Square Park, it depends on how the cat was acquired. If the cat was an unfortunate victim of a traffic accident, and someone decided to freeze it in a block of ice for a sick joke or "artistic" purposes, then the person is just a deranged fuckhead who needs to better understand what constitutes poor taste and inappropriate behaviour.

But if the cat in question was someone's pet, who some sick fuck decided to kill and freeze, just for fun, then I think a radical lobotomy performed by a machete-wielding mob would be more in order. I personally would have no qualms whatsoever about ending the life of a killer, and I make no distinction between housepets and humans, since the housepets are usually of greater value to society than most humans are. But alas, such actions are illegal, and I shall abide by the law. But cat-killers (and dog-killers, horse-killers, etc) be warned: If North American society should ever descend into pure anarchy, with all laws suspended indefinitely, you will be on my list, right behind child molesters.

And as far as the laughing crowd goes.... What more could we really expect from the loser dregs of humanity? Their lack of compassion could well explain their lot in life. They probably live there, since I doubt anyone else wants such losers as tenants or employees. I just feel bad for the decent homeless people and decent punkers who have to share space with these scum.

Terrible Fish: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:01 GMT

i don't think this is "going crazy about every little thing". you're right, no one knows the circumstances surrounding the death of the animal. but to dump it so callously in union square is disgusting and shows that whoever dumped it has very little regard for life. life is more than just you and me. it's different than ingesting that chicken nugget. it's just not right. the more cavalier the attitude towards something like this, just makes it all that more acceptable and makes those who think it's awful all the more crazy. after all, it was just an animal, right?

GGP: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:10 GMT

i actually did spend quite awhile trying to find a cop, because i don't own a cell phone. two police cars were parked nearby, but they were very devoid of police officers (should i have tried McDonalds? I wish it had occurred to me at the time). one guy nearby seemed to be reporting it on his cell. the way he was talking, I think he may have been an undercover cop.

melissa: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:14 GMT

definitely fucked up how people can get off on hurting animals.

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:19 GMT

By the way, I eat meat, the same as cats and dogs do. Animals (including humans) eating meat is natural. But to kill for neither food nor war is just wrong, like sport hunting where the meat is not used. I am strongly opposed to cruelty to animals, and before you vegatarian yahoos get all riled up, yes, I am aware that many of the current practices involving the production of meat products are inherently cruel and need to be changed, but that does not mean that humans should avoid eating meat. If we were not supposed to eat meat, why do we have incisors, canine teeth and molars? We are not ruminants who eat grass (although I have always assumed that most vegetarians smoke it). Still, vegetarian or meat-eater alike, I think we can all agree that what is in these pictures is disgusting and totally unacceptable. I personally do not think that beating the laughing onlookers will accomplish anything positive, but perhaps posting photos of them in Union Square with captions like "heartless" and "idiots" would get the message across to a few of them. A Union Square PETA protest might be an idea, too.

jeeff: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:33 GMT

yeah, there's a big difference between this and meat-for-food, regardless of how unnatural factory farming is. the difference is that this is 100% perverse - death without any conceiveable purpose. who knows why a small minority of "artists" seem to be drawn to the torture and death of cats in particular as a kind of challenge to free expression. it's probably just the most convenient excuse.

Amanda Jade: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:41 GMT

I know of a person on a forum that I frequent who, instead of taking her ferret to the vet to have it put down humanely, put the ferret in the freezer. Contrary to popular belief, freezing to death is not "quick and painless." This is sick.

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:54 GMT

While Gunther von Hagens' Body Worlds exhibits are what I personally consider to be inappropriate and disrepectful to the dead www.koerperwelten.com/en/pages/home.asp, at least I can see the educational merit of the exhibitions (currently in Philly, Houston and Denver). But there is no way in hell that I can condone cruelty as art, just to make a statement. (Mind you , I did commit the unprovoked murder of a banana for art recently, please forgive me)

Hmmmm... actually, maybe there is a way to use cruelty as art. I am picturing a box with a live child molester tied to the top, and animated dolls of children below. Once every hour, an automated blade in the box makes a randon 1 cm cut to the molester dripping blood onto the dolls below. The dolls are rigged to grin whenever they "see" blood. Hooooookayyyyy, enough of the sick little voices from the dark recesses of my mind. I shall now attempt to return to the human race.

Peter: 11th Apr 2006 - 16:58 GMT

re: art... i think someone already mentioned Damien Hirst also. interesting...

hool: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:25 GMT

perhaps this is a variation on schroedinger’s cat, demonstrating the uncertainty principle.

hool: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:31 GMT

also, if you care about the unecessary death of animals, and you have a cat, you should never let it outside. cats, more than any other domestic animal, wreak havoc on local wildlife. they are killing machines. great for vermin, not so great for birds and cute bunnies. if you insist on putting your cat outside, put a bell on it.

Peter: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:33 GMT

huh. as of just now, inspector mcenroy of the 13th pct (212-477-7411) says that nothing fitting this description was reported in the area on or around last thursday, though he cant state that officially, and can not offer me any other details... he says that so much goes unnoticed, and it wouldnt surprise him if this was more than just a prank or "art-project".

so, the quest for more info continues!

Gina: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:35 GMT

Important things to realize
1) It could have been roadkill. Gross, but no tthe biggest deal ever
2) How many cats are put to sleep in NYC each DAY? This could have been one of them
3) It's probably fake just to make people go OH NOES!! about something.

Comparing a "dead cat" to a baby or a head in a block of ice is totally ridiculous...that's all I can say about that..

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:45 GMT

That's a terribly sad story, EvilG. I'm glad you found the culprit and was able to help Karma find it's way to them.

sherri: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:48 GMT

Brad, you have a great point. Serial killers are known to start with animal victims them move on to bigger things. Animal abuse is not a laughing matter. For more info on the connection to serial killers go to
www.peta.org

Michelle: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:51 GMT

So gross. I can't believe that people are laughing - they should really be ashamed. It is as if they are waiting for someone to tell them this is a prank.

GGP: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:51 GMT

peter - you are amazing! on the case everytime!
evilg- so appreciate your comments/stories/thoughts

anon: 11th Apr 2006 - 17:55 GMT

hool, my cat use to wear a bell... didn't stop her from bring birds in the house, she was a great hunter... Cats kill out of instinct, I do not believe that these instincts are innate to humans beings, but rather sick and unbalanced people.

For those who suspect that this is either a form of art or a hoax.. it's still sick, in very bad taste and the this person has an obvious distain for life. Regardless of how the cat died, his post makes me want to shout, scream, yell... In this case animal cruelty does not only deal with the death but the action after death!

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:00 GMT

Thanks, Catherine. I just hope this cat in GGP's pictures was already dead of causes not related to the iceman's doing, it would make the whole thing a lot easier to digest that way.

Judging from the growing response, I think we have a new Motorist vs Courier on our hands. I guess we should get ready to welcome the newbies that are sure to arrive soon. I imagine it would be fitting if Elicar and I could be the welcome wagon, since I think we both arrived in the wave from the last mega-thread.

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:08 GMT

Wow, four other posts in the time it took to answer Catherine...

GGP, thanks for the compliments, and of course, thanks for the post. While I may not enjoy seeing this, as I am sure you did not, either, your dutiful feelings to citynoise may bring this despicable subject to a more prominent light, where hopefully it will eventually result in more serious legislation covering this sort of barbaric behaviour. Good job.

Mitch: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:22 GMT

THIS IS TRUE:::

It was obviousely a group called WolfClan. They are a gang of people who wear wolftails from their pants and do weird "art" extremes like this. There was WC in my hometown, Chicago and they threw 10 dead pigeons from a building. They are really wierd but some people think its arty or cool.

Jonathan_NYC: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:36 GMT

the pooling of the blood at the base of this cat-ice-cube shows that it took awhile for the cat to freeze, blood is inherently heavier than water, thus if given enough time, say 6-9 hours to fully freeze the cat in an ice cube, the blood would have settled to the bottom of the holding chamber. the blood appears to be real as does the cat frozen in the cube. if anything this could have been developed using one of those ice-sculpture machines, however it is not easy, the ice would have been crystal clear and not blurry, a home made aparatus, or even using liquid nitrogen would be possible to freeze this cat to this point.

anon (ool-18ba5a46.dyn.optonline.net): 11th Apr 2006 - 18:37 GMT

gotta love the teen hipsters that are taking over the world and laugh at everything horrible.

GGP: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:48 GMT

re. the idea that this was a hoax; the photos don't do the details justice, but I feel 99% certain there was a real animal in there--I took a very close look. I WISH it was a hoax!

hool: 11th Apr 2006 - 18:54 GMT

only 393239 hits to go until this surpasses motorist vs courier.

i'm still going with schroedinger’s cat as the explanation. it was a scientist simply wishing to demonstrate some principles of quantum physics.

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 19:20 GMT

Holy crap, hool! Motorist vs Courier has almost 400 000 hits now? Just imagine if the thread was still going, how far it would have gotten by now. I think the editors would have had to devise a multi-page thread system.

GGP: 11th Apr 2006 - 19:22 GMT

apparently, violence really begets hits--no pun intended.

anon (ca-redbch-cuda1-c9c-203.stmnca.adelphia.net): 11th Apr 2006 - 19:25 GMT

someone needs to do the same to that woman for wearing those shoes and making such a horrible face. she looks like the type that would stand there and wait for everyone to come up so she could tell everyone what was going on even though its right in front of their face.

Peter: 11th Apr 2006 - 19:26 GMT

moreover, things that incite feelings... like dead animals and battered women...

EvilGentleman: 11th Apr 2006 - 19:27 GMT

Just imagine if Lorena and John Wayne bobbit had been Citynoise posters...

Peter: 11th Apr 2006 - 20:04 GMT

lol.. curbed again!

www.curbed.com/archives/2006/04/11/shock_factor_in_union_square.php

Anonymous: 11th Apr 2006 - 22:58 GMT

laffy taffy: 11th Apr 2006 - 23:35 GMT

High fructose corn syrup in soda causes involuntary laughter.

-ed: 11th Apr 2006 - 23:59 GMT

If no one bothered to wait till it defrosted, how does anyone even know that this was a real cat
with real blood??? That ice is pretty opaque....

Anonymous: 12th Apr 2006 - 00:07 GMT

thats right, ed. its always someone ELSES job to do the waiting around and seeing. where were you? uninvolved? yes? then shut the hell up, you whiner. do the legwork yourself next time. i mean, really.

Probably an experiment: 12th Apr 2006 - 00:20 GMT

My guess is that the guy who did it works in some animal lab and that's how he obtained the cat. It is hard for me to believe that someone who be both a cat-killer and a shock-artist . . . just seems unlikely, I dont know . . .

smiiiiirk: 12th Apr 2006 - 00:43 GMT

not sure what the outrage is, the cat was dead already, i see no moral objection to laughing at it
glad i 'look like the type to' etc etc but was actually just talking to someone across the picture when someone snapped an inopportune photo
but really which is worse my fashion choices or a frozen dead cat!!!

beavis: 12th Apr 2006 - 01:37 GMT

Given an approximate dimension of 1x1x2 ft, that block of ice weighs about 56 pounds. Whoever brought it there didn't carry it very far, or else drove up....

beavis: 12th Apr 2006 - 01:37 GMT

Given an approximate dimension of 1x1x2 ft, that block of ice weighs about 56 pounds. Whoever brought it there didn't carry it very far, or else drove up....

Elicar: 12th Apr 2006 - 02:56 GMT

When I first saw this post, I refused to post a comment because I was afraid I would say someting "inciteful". But scanning through the comments, what the heck!

1) Yes, EvilG, I would gladly join you in the welcome wagon. This is a very interesting and enlightening place to be, not only of the events around us and places we have and never been, but of people: how we think, how we react. There are certainly several people in here that I find really very interesting (you included!), but there are some characters that just make me cringe!
2) I believe in the food chain. But cats are not raised for food. They are raised as pets.
3) The person who killed the cat is sick. If he was the one who froze the cat, he is hopeless. And yes, an ordinary freezer could do the job if the cat has already bled out before pouring water and placing it in the freezer.
4)Dead or not, it takes an extremely perverted mind to drop it in a public place.
5) I used to have a black male cat. His name was Blackie. He was the most loving pet I ever had. We (the ex and I) spent $2,000 that we did not have at that time for an operation because we did not want my beloved cat to suffer. He could not urinate. He was eventually put to to sleep because of that condition. So, you see why I did not initially want to make a comment in here.
6) Pets are important in our lives. They teach us about affection, about loyalty, about letting go. A loss of a pet prepares us for far bigger losses in our lives.

There, I said it without anger!

Elicar: 12th Apr 2006 - 03:05 GMT

And oh, just to lighten things up..Yes, smiiiiirk, the cat was glad he/she was not caught dead in your shoes, not to mention your metallic top! ;)

Anonymous: 12th Apr 2006 - 03:10 GMT

i think the metallic top is hot.
though the cat, it seems, is quite cool.

lizz voltage: 12th Apr 2006 - 03:43 GMT

that's fucking disgusting. and as for the idiots laughing? jesus christ. it doesn't make you bad-ass to laugh at other creature's agony, suffering, or pain. OOH WE'RE WEARING ALL BLACK ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING MORBID IS FUNNY

Anonymous: 12th Apr 2006 - 03:44 GMT

im not certain theyre laughing at "other creature's agony", but whatever. you dont care, anyway.

Monica: 12th Apr 2006 - 04:11 GMT

So no-one saw the cube a little more melted? the feet look like theyre right on the edge of the ice, it shouldnt have taken too long, and unless someone moved it pretty quickly, there would have been a half frozen corpse on the street.

in my view, it looks more like a rabbit... im trying to contemplate how it was frozen in that position... looks pretty sprawled out. i think its upside down to how it was frozen, the corpse would have sunk (unles it was pre-frozen? but then how to explain the blood? it couldnt be pre-frozen), but i dont know if the blood would go up or down in the water. if the animal was frozen in this ice, alive, it would have drowned well before having to experience the cold, since ice is just water.

PS its still sick regardless of if the animal was dead to begin with.

feastin' fetus: 12th Apr 2006 - 04:25 GMT

other creature's agony? the thing is DEAD i don't think it's feeling any PAIN
i'm sure it appreciates your concern from kittie heaven though

SDO: 12th Apr 2006 - 05:09 GMT

I know if I saw that I'd call 911 and take some pictures for the cops.
If you see something say something!

Peter: 12th Apr 2006 - 05:19 GMT

sdo: please tell me youre joking...

911? "see something/say something"? its a frozen cat corpse, not a "dirty bomb".

for real.

the cops at the 13th laughed when i inquired about this incident today. odds are, you'd get laughed at at 911 too. and probably charged with calling in a non-emergency call.

*lol*

alana: 12th Apr 2006 - 05:30 GMT

humyns make me want to cry. alot. i like cats better. i would have preferred to see a humyn dead inside that ice.

chico.resch@gmail.com: 12th Apr 2006 - 12:00 GMT

I'm guessing the photographer and poster had something to do with the project, and y'all fell for it.

It's a nice piece. Seriously.

Peter: 12th Apr 2006 - 13:39 GMT

nope, the poster/photographer had nothing to do with it.

dilirium's death: 12th Apr 2006 - 13:39 GMT

How fxcked up can you get? I mean, don't get me wrong, my animal rights support and pescatarianism are two very seperate things in my life, and neither inspires the other, but it's times like this I wish that I could go cave the guy who did this's head in with an icepick...
*sigh*

Cat Lover: 12th Apr 2006 - 13:45 GMT

Great! Now all we need is a giant gin and tonic!

Frankster: 12th Apr 2006 - 14:48 GMT

"I am sure if a baby in ice or a human head in ice was dumped on Union Square it would have been swarming with police activity and no one would be giggling like idiots."

That's not true, I'd be giggling at that. That's funnier.

Goats: 12th Apr 2006 - 14:56 GMT

Me too Frankster! I'd be laughing my ass off, taking pictures, and doing an irish jig!

coralscars: 12th Apr 2006 - 15:06 GMT

stray cats are frozen every day for ap biology students in high school everywhere. This one just happened to be more bloody and dumped in a public area.

fakecanadia: 12th Apr 2006 - 16:29 GMT

Yeah, looks like a rabbit to me. The legs and neck are too short to be a cat.

smitty: 12th Apr 2006 - 17:37 GMT

you can call the police for this - animal cruelty is a crime that can be punishible by a sentence in jail.

heysmitty: 12th Apr 2006 - 17:39 GMT

hey smitty, where is there any proof of animal cruelty?

Frankster: 12th Apr 2006 - 19:47 GMT

"Brad, you have a great point. Serial killers are known to start with animal victims them move on to bigger things. Animal abuse is not a laughing matter. For more info on the connection to serial killers go to www.peta.org"

Uhh.. So if there was no link between animal abuse and serial killers, it would be fine to abuse animals? Duh...

Frankster: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:03 GMT

"SDO:I know if I saw that I'd call 911 and take some pictures for the cops.
If you see something say something!

sdo: please tell me youre joking...

911? "see something/say something"? its a frozen cat corpse, not a "dirty bomb". for real."

I agree, I don't know what disturbs me more, the kids laughing or SDO diverting police from legitmate law enforcement duties. Let's cordon off the park and bring in CSI.

Kelli: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:14 GMT

That's unusually disgusting. It appears my day has been full of scenes of death and blood. This does not help. I'm the kind of person that demands respect for animals ... I'm awful ... and I can see myself picking up the ice chunk, and walking off with it so people cannot gawk and poke fun at it any longer. That poor thing should be entitled to a proper burial.

heysmitty: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:31 GMT

do yourself a flavor and DON'T go to peta.org. peta is a terrorist organization.

heysmitty: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:34 GMT

alana: 12th Apr 2006 - 05:30 GMT
humyns make me want to cry. alot. i like cats better. i would have preferred to see a humyn dead inside that ice.

Alana, its "human" not "humyn." Although i suppose you're the type who thinks "woman" should be "wombyn"

heysmitty: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:37 GMT

...not to mention, alana, that perhaps YOU'D prefer to see a dead "humyn" inside that ice, but the family of the "humyn" might not agree with you. We have no idea how this feline (felyn?) met its demyse, or then what happened. it could have just as easily been found in a garbyge dumpstyr covered in dirty diapyrs. Dirty diapyrs/block of ice... which is wyrse?

lena: 12th Apr 2006 - 20:54 GMT

holy mother of god! Who the heck would do THAT? I LOVE MY CAT and whoever did that better go to fuckin hell. Screw them! But really, why did u not wait for it to melt or why did u like nodt take it hiome?

Old_Joe: 12th Apr 2006 - 21:00 GMT

Something about this is absolutely fascinating. The mysterious person who dropped off the frozen cat, the frozen cat itself, why who?? The red, the crowd, the photgraphing the comments here, NYC... I dunno it befuddles my mind.

Jason_Fucking_Denny: 12th Apr 2006 - 22:20 GMT

I know I'm probably not going to be the most popular poster here...but...I think this is cool. I'm not cruel to animals and I don't think the guy that did this was cruel in the death of this animal either. Are any of you familiar with the artist DAMIEN HIRST? Same shit. Kind of. Point is, is that this cat could have been dead already before it was turned into an art project or an object of shock value, which you could easily argue is too, an expression of art. Whatever. I love how everyone rushes to judgement. I think if this animal was truly tortured or killed maliciously, the person wouldn't have bothered dropping it off in Union Square for everyone to see. Too exhibitionist for a "serial animal crazy killer" to do...IMHO.

Peter: 12th Apr 2006 - 22:43 GMT

lol. i guess you havent seen the previous several mentions of Damien Hirst. read the thread next time, perhaps?

HurricaneBob: 12th Apr 2006 - 23:21 GMT

the got rooted irl by a theurgist...WHERE'S THE INTERRUPTS?

anon: 13th Apr 2006 - 02:35 GMT

Btw. many people find DAMIEN HIRST to be sick! I do not believe that his work should be called art. This is a sad excuse for his fucked up behaviour. Just because he does it does mean that his work is respected.

After seven years in various art schools, obtaining several degrees including art history, we never discussed his work in class. Reason being... this is not ART!

An Anonymous Coward: 13th Apr 2006 - 02:51 GMT

Everyone clings to Damien Hirst, and yet Gunther von Hagens is not mentioned? For shame!!

www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060224_body_world.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens

Mark: 13th Apr 2006 - 05:17 GMT

Cool Cat....not funny? I guess not. This is weird. Its an example of how some of us do absurd things. If this guy was caught I bet you he would then display remorse. If its art; then so is a runny crap in the middle of union square on a 99 degree day. I mean damn whats next?

Amarula Dreams: 13th Apr 2006 - 12:01 GMT

It turns out it was a rabbit, not a cat.

www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64450.htm

EvilGentleman: 13th Apr 2006 - 13:17 GMT

Thanks for the link, dreams. I learned a lot.

Now then... Does anyone else feel weird because they feel less offended by this, now that they know it is a rabbit? I know it suddenly has become a little less personal to me, and I cannot fully understand why, since I grew up with pet rabbits as well. I guess it has to do with the ability of humans to create emotional bonds to "advanced" pets such as cats and dogs, whereas rodents such as rabbits may become housepets, but the interaction between a rabbit and a human is usually not of the same depth of supposed mutual understanding as it is with cats and dogs. I still feel a bit guilty for being less intensely connected to the poor deceased animal in the block of ice now that I know it is a "mere" bunny.

Now if the Bunny's name had been Bugs, and had been found with white gloves on his 4-digit "hands", then we would be dealing with a celebrity assassination, and I think it is fair to say that almost all heterosexual men over the age of 30 would feel the incredible urge to go to war to avenge the murder of our favourite varmint.

a'la: 13th Apr 2006 - 13:52 GMT

having a look at that article, dreams, it sure looks to me that the person quoted in it is the same person that posted this post. its come full-circle!

elaine: 13th Apr 2006 - 14:25 GMT

me too, evilgent, as far as i am concerned bunnies are food, but cats are not.

EvilGentleman: 13th Apr 2006 - 15:01 GMT

Oh, I dunno about that, elaine. I have eaten many a puss...

(my son walks by)

Son: Dad, what are you typing?
Me: Um, nothing.
Son: Have you eaten cats? Don't tell me you have eaten cats.
Me: Um... ... Sort of?
Son: What do you mean?
Me: Have you finished your homework yet?
Son: I thought you loved cats. How could you eat one?
Me: Well, it's kind of hard to explain, but no, I have never eaten a cat.
Son: Then what were you typing?
Me: Go do your homework.

Elicar: 13th Apr 2006 - 15:45 GMT

Gunther von Hagens' work made me stay away from steak for awhile. "Bodyworks" was on exhibit at the Ontario Science Centre sometime last year. It was reviewed as over-rated.

EvilG!!!

Elicar: 13th Apr 2006 - 15:51 GMT

The title of the show was "Body World 2" not Bodyworks. (They say the mind is the second to go!). It ran from September to February 26, 2006.

GGP: 13th Apr 2006 - 17:46 GMT

evilg--you're a riot!
as for the changed emotion re. bunny v. cat: I had a similar thought on the train today--slight adjustment downward in emotional intensity--still saddened, but somewhat less flipped out. These relationships to our animal kin are so inconsistent and irrational...it's interesting and strange.

EvilGentleman: 13th Apr 2006 - 18:34 GMT

I think for me, it went from my imagining some child crying because some sick scumbag had killed their beloved kitty, to my now imagining some radical activist making a statement about lab testing on rabbits.

On the pro-rabbit side of things, I think it would be most appropriate to immediately ban all animal testing. If all the world's jurisdictions were to adopt variations of California's "three strikes" law, then we would all have enough convicted felons to use for testing. Can you imagine the wacko protestors holding a picture of a lab-coated technician putting a drop of perfume into the eye of Charles Manson? I doubt they would get the same outpouring of sympathy they currently do. And just think of all the innocent creatures we would save.

Catherine Penfold-Waxman: 13th Apr 2006 - 19:47 GMT

I eat rabbit and have had many rabbits as pets. And during the run up to Y2K (remember that?) we started referring to our two cats as livestock. But I'm very glad to hear the corpsicle wasn't a cat.

BJD1976: 13th Apr 2006 - 22:01 GMT

Forget the frozen animal. When the hell did goth come back in? Everyone in those pics (apart from the wayward city children and the gomer-pyle "dad") is draped in something out of a very early 90s Cure concert.

serious: 13th Apr 2006 - 23:42 GMT

Ew. This is how serious killers start. Im sure some of you think this is funny, but wait and see, your mom will be in that block of ice. That man should be in a mental institution.

hool: 14th Apr 2006 - 00:32 GMT

"serious killers" . as opposed to "amateur killers"?

EvilGentleman: 14th Apr 2006 - 00:45 GMT

Oh, c'mon. It was obviously a reference to contrast against "lackadaisical, disinterested killers" ;-)

a dose of reality: 14th Apr 2006 - 02:34 GMT

This topic is being beat to death by people without a real grasp on the term "life". this cat/rabbit in the scheme of things is as worthless now as it was when it was alive regardless of if it was a pet to a little girl or some alley cat with mange or a rabbit eating gardens from nice little old ladies (though i doubt they would survive naturally in NY vs the rat population)

Everyday in this world thousands upon thousands of people die from automobile accidents, smoking, electrocution, drug overdoses, malnutrition, cancer, tumors, medical malpractice, and even war. yes ladies and gentleman, even the death of humans is paraded across your television screen to justify the killing of more humans day after day after day since before 85% of us were born at the very least

But, you all, from the safety of your desk and the anonymity of your high speed connection bemaon the death of this one frozen cat/rabbit because you like being the armchair activist in you safety bubble that you aren't in public

Did you know that "Approximately 4 million cats are brutally killed for food each year in China" that's nearly 11,000 per day"? What are you saying about those? Nothing it seems.

Also, "Over 100,000 cats are dissected annually in U.S. high schools" Another 274 dead per day. These are healty cats as well as sick or infected specimens are not suitable for classrom use.

And finally, according to HSUS (The Humane Society of the United States) 1.5-2 million cats are euthanised each year. and the math on that since I'm driving it home is (on the low end) about 4,101 per day.

So the Humane Society of America along with American classroms combined with China, the daily death rate of cats becomes 15,375 per day.

Find some perspective people.

I say, get over it already.

jack: 14th Apr 2006 - 03:01 GMT

the dose is correct. life has many evils. people are the worst predators of human life. think about the cat and then think about the million or so babies killed each year by abortion. that is the crime of crimes which goes with ethenic cleansing.

anon (cpe-72-134-234-209.hawaii.res.rr.com): 14th Apr 2006 - 21:57 GMT

It's true. Animal cruelty does indeed create serial killers. Just look at the ALF (or just about any of the "concerned, caring activists" that've posted at this point) - they presume cruelty, so they suggest destruction, violence, and killing. Wouldn't it be nice if people could just go back to relaxing and enjoying Wily Coyote falling off a cliff and Sylvester getting flattened by a rolling piano, all without being called a potential mass murderer? Why did the attention whores and bleeding hearts have to start opening their mouths and ruining the fun for everyone else just because Ingrid said to?

Then there's this little gem. "Don't eat meat, you support the torture!" OH please. You support the torture by even having been born - humans domesticated animals long before history started being kept. You think that all of a sudden we just started eating them and wearing them and testing our tools and such on them? Think again, bucko, you've been part of the conspiracy since even before your grandfather was a gleam in his mother's eye. Hey, here's an idea! Instead of listening to lunatics that want to send various body parts to various companies after they die, how about getting your own grip on reality doing something other than being "passionate" about a cause? We really could get a lot farther working as a team.

Just because you don't find something funny doesn't mean it isn't. You can have your opinion all you want, but it isn't a fact of life and you look like less of an idiot by keeping it to yourself; especially if it involves being offended at something you voluntarily witnessed!

Finally, it's a rabbit pelt that's been frozen in ice with a red substance that appears to be blood. Do you see a head anywhere on any of those angles? Pelts typically don't have heads and this particular example fits the "No-Head Criteria" as far as I can see after about an hour of study.
It's saddening how easily incited some people can be, that they would rather rant and rave and protest than think with any degree of logic. Such passion is a weakness, not a strength. For example "Here's a sign. Fifteen yards and around that corner is a protest - some guy killed a kitten with a ball peen hammer and we're protesting him." The easily incited will grab the sign and RUN as fast as they can, falling into a conveniently placed pit trap/sniper kill zone/flypaper sidewalk/giant mousetrap having never thought for a second about anything other than impressing someone else with their passion for their cause. It's an ugly truth, one that my opinion states as being much uglier than domesticated animals serving us as food, companions, clothing, tools, inspiration, art, sport, entertainment, currency, science experiments, medical research, and so forth.

EvilGentleman: 15th Apr 2006 - 02:59 GMT

So if I get this right, anon from Hawaii is of the belief that we should not let our emotions guide our actions, but should instead do nothing. Yet this inaction should require that we spend an hour conducting a forensic exam based on the pictures posted in this thread? I for one, have no qualms whatsoever letting people know what I feel, even if I am wrong. And should I be wrong, I am usually quick to admit it, as well. When I initially thought this was a cat, it sickened my stomach, and I explained why I felt that way. But if you read carefully, I am actually expressing my opinion on cruelty to cats in general, and not so specifically about what is seen in the photos here. The frozen creature (or parts thereof) is still being debated, but my personal feelings concerning cruelty to cats still stands. But do not believe that we are all as easily incited as you may think. Another issue that I feel equally strongly about is male-on-female violence, as can be seen in the comments I made in the motorist vs courier thread. Yet last night, I was in the bar, when I noticed a ruckus outside. I saw a man fighting with an acquaintance of mine, and a woman lying on the ground holding her head and crying, obviously hurt, with another girl helping her up. At soon as I got there, I heard people saying that my acquaintance had hit the girl, and that was why the other guy was beating him up. But I also knew that five minutes earlier, that same girl was throwing my acquaintance around in the bar, and he did nothing. I also knew that this girl was too drunk to walk properly, and may have just as easily fallen while trying to grab him again. If I had actually seen my acquaintance striking the girl, I may have reacted quite negatively towards him. If I had seen the girl fall by accident, I may have made sure that others did not attack my acquaintance. But the fact remains that I did not see what happened, so therefore I could not take any form of action either way. I just shook my head and went back to my table in the bar. I hope that they are both ok, and it just shows me the dumb things that people can get into when they are drunk.

So I differ from anon in that I consider passion to be an asset, but one that must be managed responsibly. And as far as his feelings about the radical activists go, I both agree and disagree. Many activist go way too far for my liking, too. But my boundaries are in different areas for different issues, so some of what I consider to extreme, others may consider to be nothing. Yet other things which I consider to be normal, others may consider to be psychotic.

We seem to be composed of many groups: shepherds, sheep, knee-jerk activists, killers, and of course, pontificating twits who spend way to much time online playing amateur psychiatrist, and then passing judgement on others while hiding behind a pseudonym, or no name at all. (I am probably part of this last group, and maybe a few other groups as well, some of which I did not list)

SOGans: 15th Apr 2006 - 05:24 GMT

Anonymous, so what is your point? That because the ALF condones arson that freezing cats in cubes of ice and leaving them out on the street is alright? How do you know how the cats were killed? There's something psychologically wrong with someone who thinks it's a cute prank to waste life like this.

I think you're confused about another thing, to put it mildly. Who did the ALF kill and why are they just as bad as serial killers and whoever sicko did this?

SOGans: 15th Apr 2006 - 05:34 GMT

Anon: Just to show what wild and ludicrous hyperbole this is, here's a reference.

Serial killer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killers

One of the activities that show up in almost all serial killer backgrounds is the enjoyment of causing pain to animals.

Since the ALF is trying to stop zoosadism through arguably radical means, that would make them the complete OPPOSITE of a serial killer, as serial killers love hurting animals because it offers them sexual satisfaction.

Please do some research before you post again with crazy claims and comparisons.

SOGans: 15th Apr 2006 - 05:40 GMT

Finally, the ice is very thick and it's hard to know just WHAT is inside them from photographs besides blood and an animal of some kind. Since the author of this article was actually there taking the pictures and got a closeup look at it, I trust their judgement much more than your speculations which are about as valid as mine or anyone else who is looking at these are.

EvilGentleman: 15th Apr 2006 - 08:45 GMT

Is there no such thing as respect for life nowadays? I have even seen the usage of cats for dissection in classrooms used as an explanation for why our response to a frozen critter in a park is not such a big deal. I never knew such barbaric practices were used in American classrooms. I have never heard of that in Canada. The only dissections I can recall were frogs and worms, although the teacher did bring a cat fetus in formaldehyde to show to the class one day, but from the looks of the jar, the fetus may have been in that jar for 30 years by the time I saw it in 1984. If America is killing cats for educational purposes, they should stop. That is just plain sick. On the other hand, if cats are being killed for food in some foreign land, I can understand that. I still think it is sick, but I realize that I have no right to dictate what other people eat. But at least a cat that was killed for food died to sustain life, not to entertain idiots. Death that feeds the hungry is not truly death, it is nature allowing one organism to become part of another by adding nutrients to the carnivore's cells, thus creating new cells. Food and veterinary research designed to benefit cats are the only legitimate reasons to kill a cat, as far as I can see.

And as far as the labelling of ALF and PETA as terrorist groups goes, it is possible that they are. While many may see their actions as justified, I fail to see how campaigns of violence can have merit. For this reason, I consider Greenpeace to be a terrorist organization. They violently oppose all who do not do things the way they want, with no regard for cultural differences. Imposing western values on people who are not part of western culture is a form of assimilation or even possibly genocide, and should be stopped. Open your minds, people.

EvilGentleman: 15th Apr 2006 - 22:23 GMT

well, jackoff (did your mother name you that?) for some odd reason, it does seem true that humans tend to bond less with amphibians and invertebrates than they do with mammals. It is not always the case, but seems to be more prevalent, even though it may not exactly be fair, it is just the way it is. But perhaps you can start up a group such as Jihad for Annelids and Classroom Knifed Froglike Fauna (also known as JACKOFF), and put an end to the barbaric slaughter of worms and frogs. The responsibility is now yours. All the frogs and worms are dying, and nobody else seems to care about it. What are you going to do? Stand up and fight for what you know to be right! Good luck, and may the Force be with you.

jackoff...

xep: 16th Apr 2006 - 02:01 GMT

I don't understand why everyone is assuming this is cruelty to animals. Maybe the artist found the cat dead in the street, was moved by it, and wanted other people to notice. How many times have you driven past a dead animal and not really thought twice about it. Maybe they work for a veterinary hospital or animal shelter and are faced with freezers full of dead animals every day. Maybe this was their response to have to put euthanized animals in that same freezer.

EvilGentleman: 16th Apr 2006 - 04:18 GMT

Considering the fact that this frozen spectacle was later reported by the NY Post to be a rabbit, one can only assume that the Post reporter either witnessed the block of ice at a later point, when the ice was more melted, or interviewed someone who did. So now we are dealing with a rabbit frozen in ice (note that I do not say pelt, but rabbit. If it was thawed enough to be identified as a rabbit, it seems logical that had it been a pelt, that too, would have been evident by that point) The very fact that it should be a rabbit would to my mind, indicate that the motive would most likely be to make a protest statement of some sort. Mind you, the lack of a statement being anonymously released to the media a little while later does seem suspicious. But since rabbits are generally used as test animals, and the usage of this particular species tends to draw the most ire from animal rights activists, it seems logical to conclude that this whole incident is some stunt by an activist group. Now the purpose of stunts of this sort is to get people talking, and that is exactly what has occurred. But because GGP assumed at the beginning that it was a cat (and I must admit, it sure seemed like it to me, too), the whole discussion veered towards animal cruelty as a whole. At this point, whether actual cruelty to an animal was commited in this incident is irrelevant. The pictures have spurred us to discuss animal cruelty, and that is what we are discussing. xep, you have to understand that in the discussion threads here on citynoise, the pictures or text that are originally posted are merely a starting point for the discussion that follows. Some threads, like this one, can develop a life of their own, to the point that the value of the discussion can rival the value of the pictures at the top of the page. I have posted an article about airliners in the Arctic that spawned a totally unrelated discussion of the usage of a certain 4-letter word for vagina. While totally unrelated to the article, the discussion was actually more interesting. So when you see us posting comments about cruelty to animals, do not assume that we are still assuming that was what happened to the frozen animal. (I am definitely babelfishing that last sentence in a minute, I just know it will be a classic) We are merely adding to the discussion we were already having. But your point still has validity, as do all of ours. It may even be a sub-thread within the main thread of discussion. That is what makes this form of communication so much fun. Good luck figuring us out.

EvilGentleman: 16th Apr 2006 - 05:03 GMT

I was going to do my babelfishing here, but I got pretty carried away with it, so I gave it its own thread here. Elaine, you are invited for sure.

jack: 16th Apr 2006 - 18:51 GMT

this is all ridiculous! lets get back to photography.

EvilGentleman: 16th Apr 2006 - 22:00 GMT

Say jack, where is that story about a banana and your brother you mentioned on my road banana post back on March 25th? I would love to hear the story.

EvilGentleman: 16th Apr 2006 - 23:19 GMT

There! All my babelfishing-related stuff was reposted on arcticwarrior.blogspot.com/

J: 18th Apr 2006 - 09:48 GMT

I don't think many of the people there knew that photographs of them were being taken or that those photos were going to be publically posted without names. These people do not have a chance to defend themselves unless someone they know reads this site and says they saw their photo. Not everyone was laughing at the cat. Some that appear laughing were only reacting to the ridiculous performance put on by one of the juvenile onlookers. Some knew each other and were shocked but laughing at how strange this world but, more so, the people in it can be. If you want to judge the crowd by what they're wearing and what their expression is, without hearing his or her words and knowing nothing about each individual before this image, that's your privilege. Feel free.

But thank you to those that have not dubbed all the onlookers "idoits" and "sick" for smiling in the same area as this unfortunate event. Not all of us can bring ourselves to contort our faces and vomit when we see something that is not normal.

J: 18th Apr 2006 - 10:08 GMT

This is how he moved it. It looked like he had somehow dropped a stack of books or a box wrapped in a sheet out of his cart so I watched to see how that could've happened, was he missing the front of his cart, did he just drop them somehow? But instead of him putting it back he just took the sheet off and the cart and walked off. From where I had been sitting I couldn't tell what it was right away until I walked up to it. Then when I got over the shock of what it was I went to go see if he was around somewhere video taping or watching the people's reaction. I just found the cart, and told the park caretaker about it so he could take it along with the ice block.

If this happened so quickly, and was resolved in less than 30 minutes, I wonder how many other similar acts happen in this city every day...

J: 18th Apr 2006 - 10:08 GMT

Um sorry about the pixelated images. I'm new at resizing and uploading photos

Grange: 18th Apr 2006 - 15:08 GMT

well, i would add something , but all the good lines are taken

cerniagigante: 22nd Apr 2006 - 08:16 GMT

I didn't read all the comments here, but those I read are only emotional (on both sides: the pro-animal and the cynics). However, if you think about the bleeding, it means that the cat was probably wounded when it was frozen. And since it is quite a hard task to freeze a living animal, I come to the conclusion that the cat was most likely dead before being frozen.

It is definitely a sick mind, that of whom has frozen the cat. However, I don't see necessarily cruelty in this act. Quite the opposite it may be a shocking, yet legitimate, way to attact people's attention on cruelty! In the same way as taking the pictures and putting them on this website.

cerniagigante: 22nd Apr 2006 - 08:26 GMT

Come on people. Hundreds of people die cruelly in Iraq every day, thousands in Africa and tens of thousands in the whole world (not to mention animals). And in many cases we bear responsibility for this, through our so-called "democracy". And we're here crying for a frozen cat (that may not be even one). It is true that cruelty is one, but you have to get the perspective if you really hope to change the world. Otherwise, it's just fanaticism. La condition humaine.

A concerned viewer: 22nd Apr 2006 - 14:37 GMT

I actually know the guy who did this, he lives in brooklyn. The way he explained it to me was that he intended to kill an animal (by the way it was a bunny) to get in touch with his meat eating. He bought the bunny from a local live animal place in bushwick, brought it home and crushed it's head and gutted it. However, he was to pussy to eat it, so he froze it in a fish tank, and dumped it in union square. I agree that this is a twisted thing to do. However, I feel the need to inform the blog that all this attention is incouraging the bunny slayer to strike again, perhaps a larger animal this time.

MAKES n.y.: 23rd Apr 2006 - 02:22 GMT

that guy is fuckin phsyco...i love cats......and bunnies,for this case......

zenoxus: 23rd Apr 2006 - 12:27 GMT

i think the person,who killed those cats,should go to hell.

Jamie: 23rd Apr 2006 - 12:52 GMT

why not just wrap it up well in plastic bags and put it out with the trash? why freeze it in a fishtank and dump it in a public place?

Julien: 23rd Apr 2006 - 18:44 GMT

Was it ever a real cat though?

Or was it someone freezing a plush cat w/ maple sugar?

anon (Toronto-HSE-ppp3696906.sympatico.ca): 24th Apr 2006 - 00:54 GMT

that is incredibly sick my neighbours have cats and i just luv them

ninety9lives: 25th Apr 2006 - 02:04 GMT

that is absolutely disgusting. i have many cats (10+) and am generally a big animal lover. that's horrible. i can appreciate the art side to this, but i find it really ..making me uneasy. if this is an art piece, i'd like to know the title and some other opinions on it, especially the artists. i think this is a little too hard hitting for me. facing any sort of death etc that closely is really speaking to the people and asking them to realise other horrible things that happen around the world to animals and people alike.

nyc street fashion, though, is very interesting. heh.

EvilGentleman: 27th Apr 2006 - 22:58 GMT

Just because plant-type organisms do not move is no reason to think they are more suited to die violently than are mobile, animal-type organisms. Life is life. Many people debate whether or not plants actually feel pain, and my native heritage has a tradition of respecting the spirits of any plants that are used by humans. Based on this, I would have to say that the central vegan philosophy of PETA is pure and simply, bullshit.

I looked PETA up, and they seem to be a schizophrenic organization if ever I saw one. Their peaceful work to save laboratory animals is admirable, although I see there is a lot of disagreement over whether or not they are secretly funding the Animal Liberation Front and other eco-terrorism groups. If they are, then they are terrorists, too. The vegan philosophy seems to have a quasi-religious context to it that involves forcing others to conform to PETA values against their will. Their work involving saving, euthanizing humanely or treating ailing house pets is wonderful. I also support their pressuring of governments to not fund animal experimentation. But unfortunately, PETA seems to take a radical stance that is perpetuated by intense peer pressure within the membership, which is most undemocratic. I think many PETA members mean well, but are being misled by very influential crackpots. I see nothing wrong with Smitty's comments accusing PETA of being terrorists. It is part of an ongoing global debate, and he is merely stating the opposite position to yours, which he has every bit as much right to say as do you.

Tim Z: 11th May 2006 - 20:43 GMT

That is something to smile about. If there's one thing that tells me that the universe is not to be taken seriously, it's small mammals frozen in blocks of ice.

sick of society: 11th May 2006 - 21:23 GMT

Acts like this make me feel ok with my complete lack of faith in the human race.

Simon Volkov: 14th May 2006 - 16:11 GMT

God, that's horrifying! Did you see that kid in the "Rancid" T-shirt? Sheesh, what a poseur.

dave: 15th May 2006 - 02:54 GMT

The kid with the purple hair needs five upside the face, immediately. As a wise man once said, "you have my attention. now what are you going to do with it?"

Also, the sanctity of life is a sham. We watch violent movies and play violent video games and listen to violent music and cheer our soldiers on in a pointless war, on our way home from work we wish horrible death against anyone who cuts us off in traffic, and then we turn on the nightly news to be awash in violence and bloodshed once more. To do all of that and then go "oh no, someone killed a poor widdle kitty, that's atrocious" is pure hypocrisy. The sanctity of life is a little game we play to convince other people that we're not barbaric savages, like eating a tofu burger is really gonna make up for all the havoc you wreak on the environment. Do you burst into tears every time you see an animal squashed in the middle of the freeway?

matt: 15th May 2006 - 19:05 GMT

wow, what's truly frightening is how many of you would rather see the person (a human being) in that block of ice as opposed to a dead cat.

Knowing nothing of the cats past life... you came to the worst case scenario, and responded in the most extreme manner possibly. Good game guys.

The cat's name was snooky. He was a grey tabby cat. He had a great life. Lived to the age of 14. Ate well. Played with yarn. Loved the world. Then one day he was tragically taken from the world by a disgrunteld pitbull. His owners loved him so much they had him frozen in a block of ice until medical science would allow for cloning of his genetic material. The owners children did not hold with the idea of cloning their beloved cat and sought to free him. They staged a raid on the cat cryogenics facility and saved the corpse from the expert hands of medical / genetic science. In an effort to let their beloved friend send one last message to us all they showed what a wanton disregard for the natural order could bring about.

THAT CAT IS A HERO!

Raoul: 15th May 2006 - 19:45 GMT

It's funny that the homeless get no reaction, and a cat corpse makes people go apeshit.

Microbe: 15th May 2006 - 22:44 GMT

Thousands, no millions, of cows, sheep, chicken and heavens know what other animals are killed every day for food and you all whine over a single cat?

Get real.

tom: 15th May 2006 - 23:11 GMT

Find the motherfucker that did this and throw them in jail. I hope it was a dummy cat.

Tara: 16th May 2006 - 13:00 GMT

That is one of the sickest things ever. I hope the poor thing was long dead when the person did it.

Tara: 16th May 2006 - 13:53 GMT

Raoul - Some homeless people can get work, but are just lazy bums and I put animals before people anyway. People have voices, they can help themselves, but animals are virtually helpless.

Microbe - Not many people see what go on in slaughterhouses. But for all we know, this animal was kept in a box full of water, slowly being drown and frozen to death. Maybe this will spark people into seeing what really happens to animals every single day.

18 Wheeler: 16th May 2006 - 16:01 GMT

If the animal was already dead(hopefully from natural causes) then I don't have a problem with it. If it was puposefully frozen to death then I hope whoever it was gets hit by a bus and bleeds to death internally over a period of days.

anon (adsl-69-208-115-203.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net): 16th May 2006 - 17:36 GMT

i love how people focus on the boots and weirdo people hanging around the ice... that's awesome, just shows how little people pay attention to the creatures of the earth. humans are so self-centered.

Jonathan: 16th May 2006 - 22:09 GMT

To all you retards in here saying how sick the people are and how those kids deserved to be kicked, shut up. These pics are either street art or fake. Tell me, the photographer snapped numerous shots of this block of ice while it was balanced on its side? Look at it. They're all on a tilt. The second is that (s)he must have waited there for a while for those crowds to appear and disperse, since there are at least four different groups there. And in all that time, none of the water moved or any more ice melted?

These pics are complete bull crap.

EvilGentleman: 17th May 2006 - 07:26 GMT

What is it about some posts, that if it keeps receiving comments from normal people for a long enough period, all the nutcases come crawling out of the woodwork, and a little while after that, the nutcases are all that is left? What a sad commentary on human nature it is, when only the negativity remains till the end.

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 14:41 GMT

One additional thought, if I may!

Your post headline is probably the funniest bit of nonsense I have read in a while. Can you see the idiocy in the title? Anyone? Bueller?

Focus on the word "inhumanity" as it relates to a cat. LOL! Again, you folks are the perfect example of a "faux" artist!

Jamie: 17th May 2006 - 15:03 GMT

in·hu·man·i·ty
1. Lack of pity or compassion
2. An inhuman or cruel act.

also: it was a rabbit not a cat (as you would know if you read the article before posting comments

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 16:08 GMT

LOL! I cannot think of a more illustrative example of your complete and utter lack of substance than the fact that you "selectively" delete posts. Anyone that looks can clearly see, the only post you have not deleted of mine begins with a reference to another of my posts which was deleted. In addition to acting like a right-wing fascista, you are a bully at heart. You must take great pleasure in your puny power on this blog to deny others a voice because it allows you to manipulate the truth to feed your ego.

Is the standard used for deleting non-profane posts simply your fragile sense of self? Are you afraid or threatened by non-violent, non-profane speech merely because it is critical?

I can't wait to post my experience here on "CityCensored" as far and wide as possible. Can I get an interview with someone there for my upcoming tour de force expose?

Editor: 17th May 2006 - 16:13 GMT

MutantScum: your comments are increasingly ill-tempered, completely tangential to this thread, and well, annoying. I'm deleting them because of this. At this point, you are simply ranting, and it is not only completely off-topic, but inappropriate.

This isnt a democracy or a free-speech protest. This is a website. You have no rights here beyond participating nicely, or being subject to deletion if you do not wish to participate nicely.

Now, please get back on topic or move along.

Thanks for understanding.

Jamie: 17th May 2006 - 16:13 GMT

Note to editors: Please leave above MutantScum comment as i wish to offer a retort

EvilGentleman: 17th May 2006 - 16:21 GMT

LMAO, MutantScum exposing his being censored on citynoise is like a Jerry Springer guest exposing how they were systematically refused by every other show.

What do you expect, when you are doing nothing constructive with your life whatsoever? You seem to expect to have the right to insult others, but you are contibuting nothing of value to the debate. Trash-talking is not a debate, it is childish. All you want to do is upset people, your points being made are secondary to being rebellious in the face of whatever society deems to be right. Rebels without causes die young, remember that.

EvilGentleman: 17th May 2006 - 16:34 GMT

Darn, by the time I frame my retort properly in my head, everyone else has retorted ahead of me. I'm just too slow off the draw, I guess I'm not retorted enough. I guess I'll have to practice. Just gotta wait for another idiotic remark from someone, should not take too long.... ;-)

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 16:38 GMT

Salute!

I applaud your courageous decision to engage rather than censor. All is not completely lost! Disagreement and ridicule are valid expressions in a free society and some might say these things are art forms in and of themselves. You certainly have the right to chastise me for my words and most surely to remind me to stay on topic, but to delete my non-profane, non-violent, non-hate inspiring words simply because you feel they are in bad taste or not funny reveals much more about you than I. It would make your work archiving the city that surrounds you in pictures hilariously hollow and pre-fabricated. My first thoughts after being the victim of the editors delete button was that your work was fatally flawed because it is more hypocrisy than art. Obviously, you would not really care about your city, the people in it or the consumers of your work if you merely act as a carnival barker in regard to your collection of the grotesque, the cruel and the unwashed.

Thank you for your decision to be honest with your visitors and yourselves by upholding the assertion that this is an "open forum" clearly visible at the bottom of this page.

Cheers!

EvilGentleman: 17th May 2006 - 16:55 GMT

I wonder why on earth a person with a superiority complex would refer to themselves as "MutantScum"? Makes absolutely no sense to me, but what do I know?

Editor: 17th May 2006 - 17:15 GMT

MutantScum: you make many assumptions. perhaps this will clear things up: http://www.citynoise.org/about.php

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 17:54 GMT

Thanks for info! I appreciate it. I initially came to directly to this page bypassing the "about" page. You are correct that I did make many incorrect assumptions about this web site and I am now duly informed.

May I suggest that your "moderator" and other editors adopt a policy that initially informs rather than deletes. It seems quite a jack-booted way to deal with simply "annoying" posts. I would suggest a standard reminder to users that don't fit into your acceptability matrix.

I would also remind you that city life is by it's very nature a raw, gritty and un-homogenized environment. It roils and teems with different viewpoints born out of unique life experiences. Censoring non-profane, non-violent, non-hate inspiring thoughts and ideas is to deny the self-proclaimed fundamental premise of the site.

Editor: 17th May 2006 - 18:03 GMT

Stop proselytizing and start participating, then.

tom: 17th May 2006 - 20:18 GMT

Mutantscum for sure. I love how these self loving geeks weigh in on the way someone runs a free message board/website. Ed, I got your back, pal.

heartless_conservative: 17th May 2006 - 20:30 GMT

Would it be crass, tasteless, or in general out of place to mention that something equally cruel, thoughtless and selfish happens to over a million human beings per year in the USA. More children are killed in the US per year because their existance would be inconvenient than soldiers have died in IRAQ in the last 3. No one takes pictures of them and posts them all over the Internet with forums filled with well intentioned but poorly informed egalitarianists.

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 20:50 GMT

In regard to Mr. Tom, I would urge you to stay focused on the issue I laid before you and not segway into mindless, unthinking bits of sycophantic "atta boys" directed at the forum owner. I am sure that over the years they have been serviced quite nicely thank you.

That being said, I like the site and may contribute. Viva La CityNoise!

MutantScum: 17th May 2006 - 21:10 GMT

I reviewed the above posts again and I withdraw my intention of contributing. I was under the impression that your "editor" had decided to restrain him or herself from deleting simple non-profane statements of opinion and honest observations, but I guess I was wrong. Another of my posts was deleted AFTER I was directed to the "about us" page. The post in question was not uncivil or profane yet it was censored. In the end, if your bog editors cannot see the Mt. Everest bit of hypocrisy of deleting posts simply because they find them in bad taste on a thread that concerns the display of a dead, frozen bunny carcass left to defrost in a public park, I pity their stunted understanding of art, humanity and honesty. I laugh in their faces. The only thing that has amazed me more than the lack of basic good manners at this site is the pompous, self-absorbed and arbitrary decision-making of the "editor". Welcome to AmeriKa!

hool: 17th May 2006 - 21:52 GMT

those complaining about censorship are making a false assumption that their own regional political structure applies universally to every internet entity they visit. yes, this is a public forum, and yes it sees minimal editorial interference. far less than 1% of all comments have ever been removed. but it is still a moderated site, and rightly so. the people who create and maintain this public forum have every right to modify it as they see fit. and now i will modify this article by closing it, as it is degenerating into useless argument.