Video Stills of the Pre-9/11 New York

jack: 5th Mar 2006 - 04:32 GMT

people used to talk about events that happened 25 years ago and call it the good old days, now its pre 9-11. looking at your pics make me realize that at that time we did not know we were at war. they were plotting the attack and we were just going about our business. those souls in the towers had 25 months to live. makes you think what troubles we could be headed for. makes you think, are you ok with family, friends and people you meet every day. we should live every day like we had only 25 months to live. are you ok with God? these pics are of a time when we were thinking about jobs, money, boys and girls, and what you were going to do next weekend. now we think, are we safe? why are we at war? can we go back to happier times? what were people thinking 12-7-41? they saw their lives turned upside down. things change. we change and things will get better. it will take time and unfortunately this chaos is in our time.

EvilGentleman: 5th Mar 2006 - 08:53 GMT

Pearl Harbor was attacked on my grandfather's 28th birthday, the World Trade Center was attacked on my stepson's 29th birthday, my first wife died on my 30th birthday. I dread the thought of someone in my family turning 31.

speakeasy: 8th Mar 2006 - 16:38 GMT

I am a south african, far away from your beautiful land. looking at your photographs invoked a dreadful feeling of sadness within my soul. i write in all lower case bacause of the magnitude of your losses. it seems somewhat respectful it seems only fair to write this way, because nothing can compare to what it is that you have all experienced. my heart bleeds. i have experience warfare! i was born and raised in rhodesia. i left a land of promise and good intention. dear god..... where to now???

Peter: 8th Mar 2006 - 16:42 GMT

...in that regard, you might like reading this entry.

Chris, UK: 21st Mar 2006 - 18:01 GMT

What kind of evil can lead people to do such things it just doesnt make sence. Anyway u can be sure that Britian stands shoulder to shoulder with u guys to defeat this evil.

Peter: 21st Mar 2006 - 18:25 GMT

the sad thing is that most americans arent interested in "defeating this evil" so much as we are in rebuilding, getting the hell out of this clusterfuck of a war in iraq, hoping our belabored country can survive the remaining years of bush's fascism, and not being hated (more than we already are) by the rest of the world... its an unenviable position to be in, thats for sure.

but thanks for your sentiment...

Chris Erb: 16th Apr 2006 - 15:56 GMT

"What kind of evil can lead people to do such things it just doesnt make sence."

The same evil that persuaded Bush and co. to attack Iraq and cause thousands upon thousands of Iraqi citizens to die and live in constant fear maybe?

EvilGentleman: 24th Apr 2006 - 15:59 GMT

Chris, I disagree. The 9-11 attacks were a cowardly attack by a group of racist religious fanatics, intent on the eradication of all things American. The invasion of Iraq was done by one army under the command of a Head of State to invade another sovereign nation and depose its Head of State. The US Military has no intention of completely wiping Iraq off the map, and religious fanatacism has little to do with America's agenda in Iraq. I do not support the continued presence of US troops in Iraq, but I think removing Saddam was a plus, not a minus. One could say that Bush has killed thousands of Iraqis, but it is also true that the number of Iraqis killed by US troops, both during the active war and occupation phases, is considerably less than the number killed by the car-bombs of the fanatics. And nowhere near the number killed by Saddam and his Republican Guard.

Let me ask you where would you rather live, in Bush's America or Saddam's Iraq? As much as I do not care for Bush, he is way better than Saddam. And at least there are a few less George W statues around.

wake up: 22nd Aug 2006 - 11:07 GMT

the attacks were planned with the c.i.a (america)
you know the drug dealers who work with gorilla's in south america

its a shame americans (most of them) are blindly dumb about there own goverment and its intent....you must be the most nation on naive earth

buildings dont fall down when planes hit them...this is a FACT
but they do when they are blown up...as witnessed by the whole world on t.v

wake up america.....the decline of your country has started !!!!!!!!

EvilGentleman: 22nd Aug 2006 - 14:08 GMT

wake up - Let's fly a lear jet into your house, and see what happens :-P

susannah: 10th Sep 2006 - 20:20 GMT

Wake up - I watched the towers go down from Fifth Avenue - it was not a bomb. Trust me.

EvilGentleman: 10th May 2007 - 01:38 GMT

No point posting a map link for this one. If you don't know where New York City is, you probably can't read maps anyways.

Franny Wentzel: 1st May 2009 - 17:20 GMT

Yeah... buildings never collapse when planes fly into them...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862

Anon: 1st May 2009 - 17:35 GMT

Controlled demolitions, however, definitely do:

freedomforall.net/controlled-demolition-explosive-detonations-clearly-visible-on-911-video

Graz: 1st May 2009 - 18:01 GMT

That was an awful lot of trouble to go to with all the planes for some sort of conspiracy. You would think that they would have been better served to just say that there were bombs planted by terrorists and that they just couldn't get to them in time instead of having planes fly into the buildings. But I suppose that that's the thing about many conspiracy theories....most don't need to make a lick of sense or have anything to do with logic, or physics in this case, in order for some folks to want to believe them.

EvilGentleman: 1st May 2009 - 18:22 GMT

Thanks, Anon. Now could you please tell us:

Who shot JFK and why?
Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
When did Elvis REALLY die?
What happened in Area 51 and New Mexico in 1947?
What are yetis, bigfoot, sasquatch, etc?
Cain killed Abel. Who did Cain procreate with?
Will Wile E. Coyote ever catch Beep Beep the Roadrunner?
How did Marilyn Monroe die?
Where is Amelia Earhart?
Did Erich Von Daniken ever take you to Atlantis?
Does cannabis cure cancer, AIDS, impotence and swine flu?
When did you catch on to me being one of "them", the alien spies sent from another galaxy to undermine the ambitions of the humnan race?
When did Adolf Hitler REALLY die?
Why is chlorine being used for mind control?

and finally...

When the hell did they let you out of the looney bin?

Anon: 1st May 2009 - 18:31 GMT

I simply posted a link to a website. No need for name-calling. I would be curious to hear how you explain what's in that video if it is indeed nonsensical nuttiness.

Franny Wentzel: 1st May 2009 - 18:46 GMT

This is what a controlled demolition looks and sounds like.

www.controlled-demolition.com/images/client/jlhudson.mpg

And that took months to set up. In a vacant building. Major structural elements had to be removed to install the charges and to guide the building's fall. In a fully occupied building somebody would've noticed if you cut away half a column or two...

As for the often trotted out 'pull it' quote from Silverstein, one has to ask where the crime was. By the time he said that the other two towers were down and it was clear FDNY personnel thought WTC 7 was a lost cause and didn't want to risk any more men on it.

Assuming he actually could get hold of a demolition team willing to work in a building on fire at a time when no planes were flying and surface transportation in and out of the city was at a standstill, who but the 'truthers' can really bitch about deciding to 'pull' a building so that rescue and recovery efforts could take place in and around Ground Zero a little more safely?

At any rate the Illuminati Republikkkans sure got a lot of power for their efforts. They must have filibuster proof control of the House and Senate along with the White House by now... oh wait...

EvilGentleman: 1st May 2009 - 18:50 GMT

What names were you called?

I just take offense at some people taking advantage of a tragedy that traumatized millions to further their own alternate agenda.

I especially take offense at them doing so in the comment thread of an article featuring stills from a video shot during my family vacation.

As for the explanation of the puffs, I cannot say for sure, since I am not an expert in the field. Are YOU?

But here a few things to add to your thoughts:

those buildings had air ducts and plumbing systems
it is believed that some jet fuel was released inside the building
the collapse of the building would create massive overpressurization in the floors below
the collapse would also have allowed burning debris to fall into the air ducts more directly
the different colour of the puffs may be due to the puffs being jet fuel, and the cloud above being pulverized concrete and drywall

Not saying that is how it really was, but you wanted to know how I would explain it. I suppose some of that sort of stuff might be in my explanation.

But I suppose you prefer to believe... what, exactly? That demolition charges below the collapse would have no effect on that part of the building until the collapse reached it, and that somehow, this makes it suspicious? If the video showed the walls buckling around the puffs before the collapse reached that level, that might make the insinuations look a little more credible to me.

After all, I am sure the hurricane-force winds and pressure waves associated with the collapse of a building containing burning jet fuel and flammable materials could not possibly have anything to do with what you see in that video.

Is it time for us to drink kool-aid and go catch a comet yet?

Franny Wentzel: 1st May 2009 - 18:52 GMT

It seems 'They' have replaced your conspiracy proof with an episode of America's Top Model...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqecIHihOs

Franny Wentzel: 1st May 2009 - 20:54 GMT

There is a conspiracy that needs looking into...

UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ATTACK: Was it an inside job?

1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?

6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?

Franny Wentzel: 1st May 2009 - 21:36 GMT

I was only a block and 33 months away from where you were standing in this picture...

Jethro: 15th Oct 2009 - 20:08 GMT

these are great photos. I like the picture of the police man who's about to cross :)