Eastern Parkway Memories

jamie: 27th Sep 2005 - 09:08 GMT

i love it when people write stuff like this. i know i keep saying it but i wish people would write more often on citynoise.

Wayne: 4th Oct 2005 - 02:15 GMT

Can one believe the evolution of such a grand street?

adam: 5th Nov 2005 - 07:07 GMT

one day humanity will doubt stories like that when there isnt an open land left anywhere

Al Fadelici: 11th Jul 2006 - 23:07 GMT

I lived one Block off Eastern Pkwy, at the corner of Bedford Ave. We sat on the benchers on many of the summer Nights,I Lived Opposite the Lincoln & Savoy Theaters. There was a Night Club at the Corner of Eastern & Bedford. I loved it then & still do.

anon (pool-141-153-234-225.mad.east.verizon.net): 12th Jul 2006 - 03:57 GMT

Al, The name of the night club was "Town Hill". I remember seeing Diana Washington & Brook Benton there.

Mecca Young: 6th Oct 2006 - 12:13 GMT

Maybe, that place has died and,gone to heaven.When you go maybe you'll see it again but this time it will be even better.Im a visual person.Great description.

Helen Wren: 8th Oct 2006 - 03:56 GMT

At the corner of Bedford & Eastern Parkway, where Towne Hill once was located, there is now a Washington Mutual Savings Bank.

Laura: 10th Oct 2006 - 20:05 GMT

My mother lived in a large apartment building on Eastern Parkway near Grand Army Plaza in the early 1970s. What a place it must have been in its heyday. It still had touches of grandeur in its lobby and hallways. She had a "penthouse" with a wrap-round terrace. She planted the old tile planter boxes and brought the place back to life. It had three large bedrooms, two full bathrooms, a huge living room, small kitchen with a breakfast room off it. I loved it when I visited from upstate. We took great walks through Prospect Park, went to the Brooklyn Museum, etc. I always wondered what the street was like in the 40s and 50s.

J. Gandley: 20th Nov 2006 - 02:54 GMT

I remember at least 2 elegant apartment buildings opposite the Eastern Parkway entrance to the Botanical Garden. One was Turner Tower and the other may have been Copely Plaza. Well known Judges (like Judge Schwartzenwald), economists (like Arthur Levitt Sr.), writers (like Ruth Preston of the NY Post), and musicians, & artists lived there.

C B: 5th Dec 2006 - 21:22 GMT

I lived near Eastern Parkway in the 50s..Even then, it was magnificent..I have since moved to another state but,will never forget how lovely it was on a summer's day to walk up Washington Avenue and go to the Botanical Gardens, or the Brooklyn Museum or the Brooklyn Library...What memories!!!

A. Sturzer: 29th Dec 2006 - 21:23 GMT

I remember the fantastic shops & restaurants in the area. Near the corner of Franklin Ave & Eastern Parkway, there were two Greek restaurants.."Pappas" & "Peters". On the other side of Eastern Parkway, there was "Radins" deli..."with Ben & Sol's" deli a few blocks away near President Street. For chocolates, we had a choice of "Barricini" or "Barton's", both on Franklin Ave. The local supermarkets were "Bohacks", "Kingsway" and "Big Apple".

murphy: 2nd Jan 2007 - 08:06 GMT

I grew up in Turner Towers in the mid fifties. It was wonderful...with a doorman and a switch board operator. The hallways always smelled like "cooking"...and the elevator operators were warm and friendly!~ We had a three bedroom apartment that looked out to the park and the museum...I could look into the courtyard from my bedroom. We were in 3A! It was a grand building anda grand neighborhood!

anon (localhost): 29th Jan 2007 - 13:49 GMT

i love p.s.241 i wish i can contiue going their.

anon (localhost): 16th Feb 2007 - 17:36 GMT

My Mema was born in NY 1928. THe Stories she told makes me wonder other than things change with time what happened???? The style, class,suffistication,respect people had for eachother, life,the communities. Its kind of sad to see what we have now. Where Is The His-story today? I will always be grateful to my grandmother for the character and values and memories. she instilled in her children who passed it to there children and now i have passed it to mine. i see my 17yr old carry herself very dignified,poised like a young woman of that era with the challenges of today. There is just someting about NY's beauty in its heyday that was magnificant.

SULLIVAN: 2nd Mar 2007 - 03:03 GMT

The Prospect Park zoo had elephants, polar bears, monkeys, lions, tigers, and a pony track where kids could get a ride in a poney wagon. In addition, there were row boats & peddle boats on the lake. Horse back riding prevailed on the bridle paths, with most of the horses stabled at Parkside, near Ocean Parkway.
The nearby Brookly Botanic Gardens had a Japanese Garden & a Rose Garden. Water lillys grew in the pools near the hot-houses.

Budajiho: 11th Mar 2007 - 17:18 GMT

I grew up in East New York of the '50s. My pediatrician's office was on President Street, which was known as "Doctors' Row." The brownstones were beautiful, with magnificiant gardens and exquisite stonework - not the pre-fab hodge-podge I live in now in a new state. There was a stately character to Easten Parkway back then - I haven't been back in many years. People still talk about it here where I live - thousands of miles away. Brooklyn is still "home" for me - and always will be.

Bill Hammond: 11th Mar 2007 - 22:13 GMT

I remember Eastern Parkway as a 10 year old attending St Matthews school at Eastern Pky and Utica Ave. One day we were told that President Roosevelt would be passing by.We were allowed to stand on the pky and watch him and his cavalcade go by. I can still remember seeing him-72 years ago.
I can remember kids lining along the pky with shoe shine boxes at the IRT utica Ave exit shining shoes for 5 cents during the Depression.

K Bernstein: 17th Mar 2007 - 00:25 GMT

I lived in an apartment building at Eastern Parkway and Troy Avenue in the 1950s. Eastern Parkway was a beautiful street, with its two pedestrian malls with benches and trees. The street was lined with large apartment buildings and smaller row houses. I attended PS 167 and walked home, often finding my mother sitting on a bench near home. There were frequent visits by street vendors (the Good Humor man and the knish man) and the area was well-used in good weather. I remember seeing President Eisenhower standing in a fast moving car in a motorcade traveling east on Eastern Parkway in the late 1950s. Crown Heights was a wonderful place for a young boy to live.

Eastern Parkway was a (mostly) residential street; businesses were found on the cross streets and on St. John's Place, which ran parallel to EP. The intersection of EP and Utica Avenues was particularly busy, and Utica Avenue, with its trolley cars was very congested.

Several blocks west of where I lived was the beautiful Lincoln Terrace Park. A couple of miles east were the Botanical Gardens and Prospect Park, which were two gems of the borough, and the magnificent main library and Brooklyn Museum. In the 1950s, it was safe for a young boy to visit these places. Too bad children can't be allowed to travel by themselves anymore.

kathryn: 17th Mar 2007 - 16:35 GMT

I grew up near Eastern Parkway....I have not been in Brooklyn in over 30 years but I do remember the area known as Prospect Heights...I remember Ebbets Field on Sullivasn Place and Bedford Ave......I remember the Botanical Gardens with entrances on Flatbush Ave. Washington Avenue and Eastern parkway.....The Prospect Park Zoo was across the street on Flatbush avenue and Empire Boulevard......It was a wonderful neighborhood in the 1950's with all of its cultural attractions......When Ebbets Field was demolished in the late 1950's the neighborhood lost its appeal for me.....

JoeAnn: 18th Mar 2007 - 18:06 GMT

I enjoyed reading all the comments on Eastern Parkway. I am helping my mother write her memoirs and we have been talking about this area. Her Aunt Fanny Lamy Clough lived in the Eastern Parkway Apartments in Brooklyn. My mother stayed with her for a winter and has many memoires of it. My mother was born on Madison Street and her Grandmother lived on Prospect and later on Gates Ave.

Bill Hammond: 19th Mar 2007 - 03:10 GMT

JoeAnn if you can download Google Earth you can enter Gated Ave, Brooklyn, NY and when it appears you can scan around and find the streets you wrote about. You can even zoom right down to the houses your mother lived in if you know the intersecting streets

Bosley Latimore: 1st Jul 2007 - 20:58 GMT

It appears that young persons who are currently considering relocating to sections of Brooklyn such as Cobble Hill, Borum Hill, Carroll Gardens, Grand Army Plaza, or even Brooklyn Heights, would be well advised to consider the excellent transportation & facilities in Park Slope, Prospect Heights, & Crown Heights.

stepha: 19th Jul 2007 - 10:58 GMT

i would love more info on the club at bedford and eastern parkway, and memories of swimming at union temple, and the franklin manor (not swimming there)

Marcia Halperin: 3rd Aug 2007 - 22:25 GMT

I have been researching the Dubrow's cafeteria that was on Eastern Parkway off Utica Avenue.
Does anyone have memories of eating there?

stepha: 4th Aug 2007 - 12:15 GMT

ok, i think it was dubrows, really incredible potato pirogen, fried or steamed. yum! during the early 50's my family would eat there. we lived on crown, then carroll st.

Rita A: 11th Aug 2007 - 02:15 GMT

I think that Aretha Franklin sang at Towne Hill on Bedford Avenue, but the only thing I recall about the Franklin Manor was the blue tinted mirrors in front. If you recall swimming in the pool at Union Temple, you probably also remember sun tanning on the roof solarium during the summer.

stepha: 11th Aug 2007 - 22:56 GMT

i remember the "bazaars" at the franklin manor, lotso stuff, an upscale yardsale, benefitting the temple or some charity. loved the photos on the towne hill of all the groups, black and white glossies, often signed.

Sandra (Savain)Fernandez: 14th Aug 2007 - 17:56 GMT

I lived on Eastern Parkway in the late60s-70s, 763 to be exact it was a beautiful building. I loved going to the Musuem , the Botanical Garden , the Brooklyn Library, Grand Army Plaza and Prospect Park(I use to ice skate there all the time). I use to sit on those benches on Eastern Parkway. I would love to go back and visit.

A. Weinstein: 21st Sep 2007 - 18:42 GMT

Ah yes, the memories can keep you going for a long time.
My biggest dream is to go back to the block I grew up on which is 1212 Lincoln Place corner Troy Avenue block off of Eastern Parkway. Went to 167 the great Parkway School. I just want to walk down the small play street of Lincoln Place and let the memories just pour thru my brain. Wonder what ever happened to Faye the Pickle Lady? Sure do miss those homemade knishes.

stepha: 23rd Sep 2007 - 15:20 GMT

molly levin, piano teacher, i think on Lincoln Place, the piano dominated the tiny apartment. oh the culture, twas marvelous

steve brown: 24th Sep 2007 - 13:55 GMT

I lived in Turner Towers we owned the largest penthouse there.It was a great place with. 4bedrooms 5 baths and two maids rooms.The roof garden was huge with unlimited views on all sides.

anon (cache-dtc-ad08.proxy.aol.com): 24th Sep 2007 - 20:29 GMT

My family lived at 225 Eastern Parkway for many years.
The parkway was beautiful- and when there was a snow storm it was even more beautiful.
The Gardens, the Museum, the Library- so near and so inviting.
What a wonderful place to grow up

janet grayson: 21st Oct 2007 - 21:58 GMT

Just reading these posts bring back very fond memories. I remember the Schenectady Ave. (at Lincoln Place) pickle lady with her barrels of sours and half-sours. Also, I too stood among the crowds on Eastern Parkway and watched Pres. Roosevelt's cavalcade drive by. Eastern Parkway for me was bounded by Kingston Avenue on one end and Rochester Avenue (that's where Lincoln Terrace Park was and ice-skating sometimes in the winter), but that was almost too far from Schenectady. I remember the austere look of St. Matthew's Parochial School on Lincoln and Utica and the kids carrying their books up Lincoln Place to get there. I went to 167 and remember Miss James, my first teacher. Who remembers The Utica Theatre (movies galore), and the matron who always kept us moderately controlled (and threw us out at 6 p.m.)?

DIANE: 30th Oct 2007 - 02:42 GMT

I Lived on Franklyn Ave Off WILLOUGHBY In The Early 50'S. A Few Years Ago I Went Back To My Old House,And It Was Still There,It Chaned A Little But Not Much.It WAas A Wonderful Feeling. I Took Pictures.
It Brought Me Right Back To My Childhood.I Remember Going Downtown To A&S Shopping.It Was The Best Store You Can Imagine,It Had A Merry Go Round Right Next To The Toy Department.I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.FRANKLYN AVE IS A STREET I SPEAK OF OFTEN. IT WAS MY CHILDHOOD HOME AND I SPENT MANY WONDERFUL YEARS THERE.THE 1950'S IN BROOKLYN WERE THE BEST

Jeanne: 15th Nov 2007 - 21:15 GMT

The article and postings bring back so many memories that I had forgotton. I lived on St. Johns place, and then in 225 Eastern Parkway in the 60's. I don't think that I sufficiently appreciated the beauty and grandeur of the parkway, the museum and Grand Army plaza as a child. But I recall the beauty of the cherry blossoms and the wonderful Japanesse garden in the Botanical Garden. I went to the library often, and recall with much sadness listening to Bobbie Kennedy speak under the Arch at Grand Army Plaza. I too went to the Bazaars at Franklin Manor! Had forgotton about them until I read the earlier posting. And I remember the wonderful aromas in the Daitch Dairy on Franklin Ave, and the fabulous black out cake at a bakery on Washington Ave.

stepha: 16th Nov 2007 - 12:20 GMT

every now and then i check this site, it is so SWEET. talking about sweet, the charlotte rousses (all whipped cream with little piece of sponge cake) from a bakery on franklin ave. did we not live in europe-not europe, so very cultured and insulated at the same time.

Jeanne: 17th Nov 2007 - 03:42 GMT

I remember the charlotte rousses too. They were my reward for going shopping with my mother. But I got mine on Pitkin Ave. Does anyone remember the wonderful, old world out-door market with push-carts on Belmont Ave? I got the best knishes there.

stepha: 17th Nov 2007 - 14:09 GMT

wow, vague memories of push carts, (i was born in 1945),what about a store, not sure where, you stepped down a few steps to get in, they had chickens and eggs and would kill a chicken and dress it and you would pick it up later????

janet grayson: 19th Nov 2007 - 17:47 GMT

Well, Franklin Avenue was out of our immediate neighborhood, but my mother always bought her chickens from a store on Schenectady (between St. John's and Lincoln). I disliked these visits. The floor was covered with sawdust and chickens were fresh-killed at the back (you could smell the singed feathers). On the bright side, the chickens often had eggs in them. My mother would cook them in the soup. What a treat! The neck was stuffed in the most delicious way--and even the tender feet were eaten (a practice that seems to shock moderns--unless they've been raised in another country where this is still done).

stepha: 20th Nov 2007 - 12:12 GMT

that could have been the location (chicken world), i surely was not a good navigator at that time, how about the museum shop, i remember it as being an absolute jewel, lots of fun affordable stuff, also a little toy shop on franklin. here's a nugget- the beauty shop run by lil, who was a tall hunchback. happy thanksgiving everyone

rick: 20th Nov 2007 - 20:52 GMT

I lived at 881 Washington Ave (Carroll St) across from Botanic Gardens, Clara Barton (H.S. for Homemaking) and PS 241. What a place to grow up - deadend street to play in plus three school yards (including Prospect Hgts), the parks, the library and Bklyn Museum hill for sledding. And, you could eat your way up and down Frankin Ave: Geisers, Twin L, Ben & Sol, Normandie Bakery (charlotte russe, black & white cookies), Rae's, Garcia Vega, Radin's (Zsa Zsa's favorite)...

stepha: 21st Nov 2007 - 00:20 GMT

i lived at 15 crown and 934 carroll, went to ps 241 yes, incredible area to grow up in. anyone go to 241 in the early 50's? mr. garone, miss levy.... ben &sol-i can smell the coldcuts. how about the pharmacy that was at the corner of carroll and franklin...

rick: 21st Nov 2007 - 14:28 GMT

Pharmacy: Klein's - PS 241: Principals: Elsie R. Kane/Frieda Shprentz Teachers: Miss Harris, Miss Kenny, Mrs. Wren, Miss Reilly, Mr. Kaplan. I had Mr. Garone in the 6th grade (1954-1955).

stepha: 21st Nov 2007 - 18:22 GMT

hi rick, i had monsieur garone 1956-57! what to say- how strange that the burnt sienna of the halls still resounds. the little bridge was a wonder......

rick: 21st Nov 2007 - 19:56 GMT

stepha - I am still in contact with a number of the 241ers of Carroll St/Wash Ave: (starting from the bridge towards Washington Ave)- Irene, Arlene, Norm, Barry, Paul, Ron, Alan, and others from the 'hood. How about you?

stepha: 22nd Nov 2007 - 01:11 GMT

no, but i will seek out some now that i am motivated, i particularly remember sidney s, susan g, maxine and elaine h. the arlene sounds familiar. went to lefferts jhs and then moved to zee island. happy holiday

Bill: 22nd Nov 2007 - 23:04 GMT

Thanksgiving in Brooklyn in the 1930's. We lived on St Marks Av and Utica most of the homes were 2 family and owner occupied on the 1st and 2nd floors and 3rd floor was a rental.Our family were owners. How it started I don't know but on Thanksgiving morning all the kids on the block would dres in old clothes, "dirty our faces" and go begging Thanksgiving morning. We would go house to houseasking "anything for Thanksgiving". Our brown paper bags would be filled with oranges, apples, bananas, nut, potatoes. We would bring things home and then pass them on to those who had more need for them. I think it might have started during the Depression and continued thru WWII.It was like Trick or Treat onl we would ask "anything for Thanksgiving". It was great. Ask your parents and grandparents if they remember doing this. Never heard of it being done any-
where other than Brooklyn.

Dick: 27th Nov 2007 - 03:29 GMT

The neighborhood during the early 40's was fabulous. PS 241 on President Street was new. In the schoolyard, softball center & right field were along the fence to the BMT trench. A home run hit over the fence meant climbing over the fence to retrieve the ball. Sometimes we climbed over the fence at Prospect Heights or Girls Commercial HS to use the basketball courts. On summer days & evenings when the Dodgers had home games, we went to Ebbits Field so that when the gates were opened after the 6th inning, we could dash in & sit in box seats to watch Dixie Walker, Micky Owen, Jackie Robinson, etc. In those days, there was an underground tunnel that connected the Eastern Parkway/B'klyn Museum BMT station with the Franklin Ave IRT station. Kids had lots of places to play Commando in the tunnels & hedges along the Parkway. At the corner of Eastern Parkway & Franklin Avenue, some of us had shoe shine boxes & would set up shop along the IRT station railing, earning 10 cents a shine.

Robyn: 3rd Dec 2007 - 20:45 GMT

Rick My best friend Debbie lived in your building.Was your brother Robert? I lived at 916 Carroll St. and had a brother Steve.

rick: 4th Dec 2007 - 17:30 GMT

Yes, Robyn. Robert is my bro. Weren't you in contact with him, recently?

Robyn: 7th Dec 2007 - 19:10 GMT

Rick I havent heard back from him since I gave him Debbie's e-mail.It really is such a small world.Do you remember my brother? We were truly lucky to grow up in a place where everyone looked out for one another.Did you realize our mother's knew one another growing up too.

Mitch: 9th Dec 2007 - 03:51 GMT

I lived at 969 Carroll between Franklin and Bedford just a few blocks off Eastern Pkwy. My dad owned the drug store on the corner of Franklin and Eastern Pkwy (Maiman's Pharmacy). It was still in the family up until a couple of years ago ... my brother owned it and sold. Have lots of great memories of Crown Heights from the mid-50's and beyond. Eastern Pkwy was a most beautiful thoroughfare back then.

Mitch: 9th Dec 2007 - 03:54 GMT

Oh ... by the way, I went to PS241 too. Can you imagine kids in 1st grade walking to school these days alone? No one ever gave it a second thought back then.

Chris: 11th Dec 2007 - 16:53 GMT

Loew's Pitkin, 5 cent hot dog war, Jungle Jim's coconut drinks (Strauss off Pitkin), Pizza DEn (HOme of the Square Pizza- Amboy off Pitkin). Wuhan Tea Garden (Pitkin between SAratoga and Strauss), Rainbow, Barton's, Barricini, Sunset TV, Agran Jeweler's, Herb & Lester's Shoes, John's Bargain Stores, Stadium Toy Store (Pitkin betw Herzl & Amboy), PS 156 (Sutter Ave-Mike Tyson is alum!), roller rink on EMpire Blvd, Lincoln Terrace Park, Library on SChenectady & Eastern Pkwy, St Matthew's RC Church on Eastern Pkwy & Utica, Dubrow's, Ice skating at Prospect Pk rink, Parade Grounds youth baseball,

stepha: 12th Dec 2007 - 12:57 GMT

the roller rink!!!!! wood wheels, wood floor, i remember, also- the empire chevrolet dealership at empire, utica and remson, art deco interior. anybody remember where a chinese restaurant named 711 was?

janet grayson: 12th Dec 2007 - 21:53 GMT

Anyone attend P.S. 167 (Mr. Lodato, principal)? Lincoln Terrace sometimes opened its skating rink (but almost never when I got there); Dubrows (directly across Eastern Parkway from St. Matthews RC Church) was a favorite--then they opened an 'upscale' version with a similar but not identical name on Utica between Lincoln & Eastern P'kway. It didn't last long. Who remembers Famous Restaurant (dairy) on Eastern P. near corner of Utica? And all the grand shops along Utica right down to the Carroll Theatre.

stepha: 13th Dec 2007 - 21:31 GMT

question-when you crossed over the bridge on carroll st towards franklin, on the left was a candy store and the pharmacy, on the right was a business type building. what was the business??? a mystery to me.

Mitch: 14th Dec 2007 - 02:17 GMT

I believe there was a bar on the corner of Franklin and Carroll with the entrance on Franklin (the southeast corner of Franklin & Carroll). I used to live @ 969 Carroll and it was on the next corner. I think it was diagonally opposite the pharmacy, if I am not mistaken. Of course, I was way to young to really pay attention to a bar at that time. The soda fountain/candy store was a place I went to often as a young kid.

Robyn: 17th Dec 2007 - 13:38 GMT

Stepha when u crossed the foot bridge from Carroll to Franklin there was a small candy store on the left as well as a place that worked on cars.There was a building on the right that I have been wondering about.I know it had a whistle at the top which was heard at 5 pm.There was Kleins Pharmacy on the corner of Franklin and Carroll.Across the street was Geisers candy store.

stepha: 17th Dec 2007 - 17:15 GMT

thanks robyn, that really is a mystery building, i can remember the hedges around it that were always well trimmed. also across franklin, on that side, a little later in time, was the Big Apple market, and a beautly parlour and a odd little toy store, i think.

Robyn: 17th Dec 2007 - 17:51 GMT

I think it was Honeys toy store.Those were the days lol

Bill: 18th Dec 2007 - 03:18 GMT

Saturday Nights in the Early Fortys.
7PM Start out at the Utica Pool Hall(132 Utica Av)for a few games with Mickey, Danny, George and Jimmy
8PM Pickup come Camels at Goldman's Candy Store (145 Utica Av) On to Sugrues Bar(154 Utica Av) for a few beers. 9PM Up to the corner to McCormicks Bar (162 Utica Av) to listen to George McQuire singing some Irish songs.
Kay Jordon and Bill Ratigan jitterbugging to the juke box. Jimmy spots Sissy Johson so he is gone for the night.10PM Down to Kelly's Cafe and Bar at Utica Av and Empire Blvd. (I say "down" to Empire Blvd.) because you went up Utica Av to Eastern Parkway and down Utica Av from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd)Few more beers and dancing with some stag girls. On to Walt and Eddy Butterly's Bar,(168 Schenectady Av) visit with the Ginnity brothers, Ed and Bill and Jack Murphy aand Marty Carmody.11pm back to Sugrues for more beers and pizzoles from Louies Pizzeria next door.4AM Close Sugrues and head for the White Castle at Utica Av and Empire Blvd fro thse greasy little burgers and coffee. 6Am Sunday Mass at St Matthews Church.Pick up kaiser rolls at Guski's bakery (146 Utica Av)for Mom and Pop's breakfast.7AM CRASH all day Sunday. Out all night, walking from bar to bar without any fears of being robbed, no gang fights, no shootings, no violence. Like Jacky Gleason used to say THOSE WERE THE DAYS.

rick: 20th Dec 2007 - 16:54 GMT

There was the spice factory that took up the whole block between Crown St. and Montgomery on the west side of Franklin. We always passed it and enjoyed the smells (not as much as Bond bread, though) on the way to Ebbett's Field. There was also a laudromat (wash & fold) next to Big Apple. I don't remember the bar, though (I was not into bars, in those days) and I don't recall the building on Franklin & Carroll. Between the bridge and the candy store on Carroll St was a big garage. (And, Robyn, I did know that our mothers knew each as children although I had forgotten until you reminded me.) By the way, the Empire Rollardrome, after all these years, finally closed in early 2007.

Robyn: 20th Dec 2007 - 20:07 GMT

Rick well lets see I asked everyone about the building it was right across the st from the garage and noone knows what it was lol.Its driving me crazy.Someone told me it was now a police station.

rick: 20th Dec 2007 - 20:11 GMT

I will check with some of the other neighborhood folks with whom I am still in contact. If I get a response, I will report back.

Robyn: 20th Dec 2007 - 20:12 GMT

Rick I have a picture of our moms and your Aunt at Coney Island.Get my e-mail from Robert and I can mail it to you

stepha: 20th Dec 2007 - 20:31 GMT

I am tickled you are all trying to unravel the identity of the "mystery"building. ok, here's another memory, walking around the ebbets fied area one day my friend elaine and i came upon a trailer, open on the side, that was an ad for Borden's milk, and it had a COW.

Peter: 20th Dec 2007 - 20:40 GMT

have you guys consulted google maps to see if the building is there anymore?

below is a link to a satellite photo of that block... you can see the carroll street footbridge on the left, and can navigate around the map to see what you can identify:

tinyurl.com/ywc6o2

Robyn: 20th Dec 2007 - 21:17 GMT

Peter the building is not there as far as I can tell.I can remember what it looked like.

Robyn: 20th Dec 2007 - 21:27 GMT

Stepha so u would have lived in the building next to mine? 916 Carroll right across from 241? My brother was in the last graduating class from 241 in 8th grade.

Rick my brother remembers you.

stepha: 20th Dec 2007 - 21:33 GMT

robyn, i lived right next to the bridge, you saw the tracks from mybedroom window (sparks in the snow!!!) i think i finished 241 in 1961, then went to lefferts jhs. wow, rick? was he in a class with me? my brother is Loring (Lorry)

rick: 20th Dec 2007 - 21:43 GMT

I remember Steve, as well. I think that in the early years of our sojourn in PS 241 we nicknamed him "Giggles." Am I right? In any event, I can picture him, exactly. I actually remember an instance of being with him and your Mom (and, I think, you were in a baby carriage) in Honey's toy store. I have sent out an urgent e-mail to all of my PS 241 sources and should have an answer to the Carroll St. bldg question, soon. By the way, Stepha, "Elsie the Cow" was a frequent visitor to Ebbett's Field. (Remember saving your Elsie wrappers for tickets to the games?)

Robyn: 20th Dec 2007 - 21:55 GMT

Rick well he would write u if he had your e-mail lol Hes not great with the pc

stepha: 21st Dec 2007 - 01:37 GMT

oh dear, Elsie appeared frequently, here i thought it was a once in a lifetime miraculous event. (actually, quite lovely she was there often) when did ps 241 start going past the 6th grade?

Ezera: 21st Dec 2007 - 01:49 GMT

Stepha, The "711" Chinese restaurant I think was on Flatbush Avenue, directly across from the Patio movie theater.
I also remember McGovern's bar near St. John's place had a nice steak & chop section. During the war years, it was difficult to get rationed meat, but Mr. Wyler's Butcher shop on Franklin near Lincoln place always had balony & liverwurst for little kids like me.

Robyn: 21st Dec 2007 - 13:23 GMT

Stepha it went to the 8th grade thru 1957 I think.

Rick: 21st Dec 2007 - 17:58 GMT

The consensus among my mavens is that the bldg with the hedges on the corner of Franklin and Carroll was the Brooklyn Union Gas company.

Ezera: 24th Dec 2007 - 02:32 GMT

I think that Elsie R. Kane was the Principal at PS 241 during the 1940???

rick: 24th Dec 2007 - 17:45 GMT

Elsie R. Kane was Principal at PS 241 until the early '50s when she retired and was replaced by Frieda R. Shprence. A seasonally timely memory came to mind. At an assembly in early December, one year, Miss Kane introduced, as a speaker, her good friend, Virginia, who told us all her story. It seems that this "old woman" was THE Virginia who wrote the letter that resulted in the famous editorial response: "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus."

rick: 24th Dec 2007 - 17:55 GMT

Stepha, you were in the same building that Irene Glassberg and Arlene Tobin lived in. Although, younger that I (I graduated PS 241 8th grade in 1957), they were more my contemporaries (and I am still in contact with both of them). Do you remember them?. Robyn, if you send the pic to Robert, he can forward it to me and I would be grateful to you both. I am looking forward to seeing it.

stepha: 24th Dec 2007 - 21:20 GMT

rick, arlene tobin , yes yes, irene is not in my memory (at this moment) infact another name just came to mind, a Harriet... cant remember last name (grossman?) really important memory-i remember principal shprence tugging at her girdle whenever she spoke on stage. (THIS !? i remember) would love to hear about where people are and more,,,,,,

Ezera: 25th Dec 2007 - 02:13 GMT

When I left PS241 in the early '50's, & went on to Erasmus Hall HS, Dr / USAF Col. John F. McNeill was the principal there. I remember him standing in front of assemblies in full bird-colonel uniform, wearing his Korean combat service ribbons.

Robyn: 26th Dec 2007 - 16:10 GMT

Rick I will try and copy the pic and send it to Robert.I know June Brodish is in touch with Marilyn Tobin who was Arlene's sister.
Stepha I really think Mrs.Shprence scared everyone to death.She was the principal when I left 241 in 1963

anon (user-11faovk.dsl.mindspring.com): 27th Dec 2007 - 19:54 GMT

yes, shprence was a character, i also remember Mr garone as marvelous, and miss levy as a little rigid, ....

Michael: 28th Dec 2007 - 04:21 GMT

I graduated PS241 in 1965. Lived at 334 Eastern Parkway. My best friend's father owned Radin's Deli. Anyone remember eating at Radin's? How about Ben and Sol's Deli at the corner of Franklin and President? We always argued which deli had the best french fries.

Jana: 28th Dec 2007 - 23:50 GMT

These memories are wonderful! I'm hoping someone here can help me with some research. Does anyone have memories of a racketeer being murdered in Brooklyn in Sept. 1941? It was big headlines. His body was found in a car parked in front of an apartment building at 675 Empire Boulevard at Albany Ave. If you have any memories of this or of Abe Babchick. Please contact me. Also: memories of Dubrow's Cafeteria in 1940-41. Also: Was there a bakery near 701 Empire Blvd that did early morning routes?
thank you!
jlmfoto@comcast.net

Helen Blitzer: 31st Dec 2007 - 09:04 GMT

These posts are great. Janet Grayson-I remember Dubrows very well, with a lot of characters eating there. I lived at 1285 Lincoln Pl. corner Schenectady, went to ps 167; remember pickel store; Principal Lodato; 167 teachers: Elka Glassberg (2nd gr); Miss Heinz; Mr. Lipton; Mrs. Franco; Miss Tillman; Mrs. Edith Stromer, etc. My piano teacher, Mrs. John Melady, on President Street; the great knish store on St. Johns Pl. that later moved to Kings Highway calling itself St. Johns Famous Knishes--in the 70's & 80s and then closed. My close friends, Carol Fox, Gina Goldstein, Frances & Irwin Eisenstein; the chinese restaurant on Utica Ave, across the street from a funeral parlor--and we joked that the restaurant got its meat from the funeral parlor!! I'd like you all to get in touch with me at:
TOVALIGHTNING@AOL.COM Too bad none of you have listed your e-mail addressed, and I suggest you should, so others can get in touch with you. I loved the library on Schenectady & Eastern Pky. Lived there. Remember great stores on Utica Avenue: the teen dress shop; the accessories and clothing shop for women; Selzer's candy store; etc. Please get in touch with me--all of you--espec. Janet Grayson who attended PS 167. Regards, Helen Blitzer

Len Lipner: 1st Jan 2008 - 04:13 GMT

Note to Marcia Halperin: I remember the creamed spinach at Dubrow's, best in the world, along with the rice pudding. They had another more upscale restaurant, Dubsons ("Dubrow's Sons"). somewhere around Franklin Avenue I think. Both restaurants long gone.

Also, if you write, I'll tell you how this information actually got me the best job of my life(!)

Len Lipner: 1st Jan 2008 - 05:47 GMT

Oops, I just realized: A. Weinstein is *female* - it's Alma, and we've been in touch!

My bad, but hey, at 66 one needs some slack!

janet: 2nd Jan 2008 - 04:31 GMT

Dubrows on Eastern P’kway, just off Utica: the name was set in big art deco letters (red neon?). Inside, cafeteria style. with big windows, a cashier that you gave a punched card to.. Was there a cordon separating diners from the ordering line? Dubrows had large interior (at least it seemed so to a youngster), and also had a rear seating area with more wood tables & chairs. Above Dubrows facing the street was a row of windows of Democratic Party offices(?). In those days you’d see a big sign for William O’Dwyer (the mayor who just kept getting re-elected). If you were in front of Dubrows you saw to the left a cigar store and a jewelry store adorned with a big clock stamped BENRUS. At the corner of Utica (I think) there was a liquor store. Later, in the early 50’s, Dubrow’s opened a fancier place on Utica between Lincoln Place and E. P’kway, Dubsons (as Len pointed out), and had waiter service; it was quite different from Dubrows (I can’t imagine where the customers were going to come from--ours was not that kind of neighborhood. I dined there but once). Didn’t Dubrow’s open another restaurant on Flatbush Avenue in the 1950’s? More to come . . . BTW—was that Chinese restaurant on Utica Avenue near St. John’s? and did it have a big neon sign sticking out: Chop Suey? Janet

Ezera: 2nd Jan 2008 - 21:56 GMT

I remember meeting Democratic Congresswoman Edna F. Kelly in the Andrew Jackson Club near Utica Avenue. It was considered helpful to meet her if you were considering applying to a service academy like West Point, or if you needed a letter of reference for a civil service job.

Len Lipner: 3rd Jan 2008 - 00:07 GMT

my email is StoryLen@aol.com

...my memories are of attending PS 167, being Mr Lodato's lunch-getter, living at 1212 Lincoln Place, near Troy Avenue, and of course a million more things. Can still *smell* the knishes from the store on St. John's Place. Now I make my own - you can't get a decent, zaftig knish anywhere any more. Especially not from the Mom's Knishes pushcart on Schnectady Avenue, which I'm sure went to heaven along with the old guy who ran it. (Who says you can't take it with you?) I'm sure he's smiling down from heaven now, knowing there are still some of us who remember...

Rick: 5th Jan 2008 - 16:20 GMT

Well lets add more to the mystery. Marilyn Tobin said the building was a transit building!!!

stepha: 5th Jan 2008 - 16:51 GMT

i always thought it tried to have an impervious air, hmmmmmm, remember the stacks of the big library anyone? you could browse throught very old and original books just for the asking. happy new year stephanie chipper@earthlink.net

Jan: 7th Jan 2008 - 18:57 GMT

Recently I took my grandson to the children's room in the main branch of the Brooklyn Public Library. It had not changed from the way I remember it in the 40's, except for the inclusion of computers. I then drove up Eastern Parkway to see if it changed. Noticed a large glass enclosed condo being built alongside Union Temple in what had been an empty lot at the intersection of Eastern Parkway & Grand Army plaza. At Franklin Avenue & Eastern Parkway, on the north-east corner, all the commercial buildings had been torn down, and it looks like something new will be constructed there. This is the corner that during the 40's had included United Cigar, Turit's dress shop, an ice cream parlor, & a liquor store, and where we played punch ball.

Stan: 18th Jan 2008 - 00:51 GMT

Graduated 167 in '43. Lived on Eastern Parkway then Albany between Lincoln Place and St. Johns. Mr. Lodato was principal, Ass't principal was Mrs. Cohen (with the red wig). Mr. Allen taught science and Mr. Mones was the gym teacher.Boy scouts used both gyms (basement) on Friday nights - Troops 185 and 271The old men used to stand outside Dubrow's at night waiting for the papers and arguing about the war (WWII). Did you know the Famous restaurant was originally on Schenectady Avenue,opposite the school, then moved to Utica Ave., Remember the whole school sitting on the curb of Eastern Parkway for a parade when the Dodger's won their first pennant (1939). President Roosevelt was in the parade.

RD: 19th Jan 2008 - 20:38 GMT

Does anyone here remember Bobby Fischer? He lived at 560 Lincoln Pl (corner of Franklin) during the 50's when he was becoming a chess prodigy. I saw him a lot because my Brooklyn Eagle route started at the next building across Franklin. What a strange life, born of a Jewish mother and German father in the middle of WWII, and he goes on to be an obsessive anti-semite. His mother Regina was a brilliant woman who was a teacher, nurse and doctor who spoke six languages.
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/fischer.htm

janet: 21st Jan 2008 - 00:49 GMT

I moved from St. Johns Place between Schenectady & Troy to St. Johns & Albany in early 50's and boarded IRT to Manhattan at Kingston. Wish I could remember Famous Restaurant on Schenectady, but all I can think of is their Eastern Pkway presence--and I think those men outside of Dubrows waiting for Daily Mirror to arrive at the corner store were eager to see the racing (and number) results, printed in detail by the Mirror. I stood among throngs on Eastern Pkway & Schenectady to see Pres. Roosevelt drive by and remember his black limo and of course utterly exposed President--perfectly safe in those years. Why he was driving by I don't remember--but I don't think that year was 1939--was there another later occasion? We all remember where we were and what we were doing when we heard of his death--unforgettable moment.

Stan: 22nd Jan 2008 - 00:29 GMT

Hi Janet:

I think we're talking about a few different generations.
In the early forties, the papers were full of the war and
I thin the Famous moved about 1942-43.
I lived a 285 Albany Avenue between Lincoln and St. Johns.
Do you remember when Ebingers as on Kingston Avenue? I was in the Navy during Korea and I my mother would send their blackout cake every week. It was always intercepted by the guys in my squadron so I rarely got more than a slice or two. I can still taste the cake now. There was also a Theatre on St. Johns place off Kingston avenue called the Riviera. On Saturdays we would take a sandwich from home and go for the matinee. There, or the Carrol, the Congress, the Utica ( we called it the Itch), the Cameo or the Savoy.

janet: 22nd Jan 2008 - 21:34 GMT

Hi Stan--You're probably close to my vintage. I'm trying without luck to call up a memory of Famous on Schenectady--I lived just around the corner and went to 167--so there it was during the whole time! As a kid I understood only that we were at war (oddly, the single newspaper headline I recall is "Yanks Take Cologne!" on front page of Daily News or Mirror). I always feared my father would be called up (though he was actually too old). I had just started working in Manhattan during the Korean War (graduated from Tilden High in 1951 and soon to move to St. John's & Albany--a couple of doors down from the corner luncheonette). Jacky, one of the boys we hung out with now and then, was killed in Korea--I'll never forget that. I don't remember the Riviera (having spent all my childhood days at the Utica--"Itch," where Saturday afts. were a high point: remember the loads of kids all sitting up front next to the screen making lots of noise: then the newsreels (groans), then the serial or cartoons (squeals and hoorays: Popeye, Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, and occasionally a Little Lulu; then the 2nd feature often a mystery: Boston Blackie, Sherlock Holmes, The Whistler (creepy) or one of those cute musicals with Donald O’Connor and Peggy Ryan, followed by the main feature, usually a swashbuckler because Sat. matinee kids had no patience for love stuff. The Utica (Itch)—lowbrow, balcony-less, but so endearing--suddenly came up with a popcorn machine, a dime a bag. Once or twice my pals & I made so much racket that we were thrown out (or at least threatened). Remember the mean matron? During the week I tried to avoid being ejected at five or six o’clock when kids were cleared out, but couldn't escape her iron hand. I went to the fancier Congress during the week sometimes (it had a longish lobby and a balcony!), once in a while to the Carroll. The Cameo, at the opposite end of St. Johns on Eastern Pkway past Kingston towards Franklin(?) was a walk too far, actually in an unfamiliar neighborhood. The St. John's bus took me to the more expensive Savoy once in a while, and we (or I, as I often went those distances by myself) gawked at the nun's convent near Bedford with its high reddish walls and forbidding look. I know now it was (and is) an enclosed convent--the contemplative nuns live there still. If you stayed on the St. John’s bus (or, a little earlier, the trolley) you went past Loehmann’s and its beautiful wrought iron entrance, and on, on to downtown Brooklyn. Blackout cake--the most delicious of Ebingers treats—can be made at home (the only place you can get it now), but oh, wasn’t it a treat!

Stan: 23rd Jan 2008 - 01:27 GMT

Hi Janet:

You brought up a whole bunch of memories with the Utica. We're about 4 years apart, I graduated 167 in '43.Do you remember the library on Schenectady and Eastern Parkway? We always went on Friday nights to meet girls on the balcony, There was also a great bakery on Schenectady Ave. My job on Sunday mornings was to pick up the rolls for breakfast. They were warm and smelled so good I would eat one or two on the way home while reading the jokes in the Daily News. There was also a great appetizing store between St. Johns and Lincoln. Boy, there aren't any of those around any more (at least not here - I live in Rochester now).

rick: 23rd Jan 2008 - 15:10 GMT

RD - I remember Bobby Fischer. He was a good friend of my friend Mike Demsky (a relative of Kirk Douglas, by the way) who lived in my bldg at 881 Washington. I would spend time on several occasions with Fischer in Demsky's apt. He seemed relatively normal at the time, even though we all knew he was a chess prodigy.

janet: 24th Jan 2008 - 16:34 GMT

Hi Stan—and all you 167 alums out there—The beautiful public library in classical style on Schenectady & Eastern Parkway was a place to visit, to use, but for me not to hang out in and about—though I remember sitting on the stone steps once in a while. Remember the librarians as you walked in? I was always taken with their long pencils armed with the little rubber date contraption. Occasionally I walked by the Library’s very handsome stone side (reminded me of a Greek tempe) down Schenectady (literally, because the streets sloped) and admired the nicer neighborhood from there all the way to Empire Blvd. Didn’t a bus run along there all the way to Ebbets Field and Prospect Park? I’m sure I took that later when I went to Brooklyn College—to get home, that is, with a transfer from Flatbush Avenue. As for the Schenectady Avenue bakery—I remember it well because that’s where everybody in the neighborhood bought their baked goods, sliced rye, cholla for Friday night, and sometimes (not often) even a fancy cake. We had those rolls too—they were delicious, round and puffy, crisp on the outside with little poppy seeds all over the place, and so soft and yummy inside (rolls today may look something like them, but are nowhere near them in flavor). Somehow the name Famous Bakery comes to mind, but likely I’m confusing it with Famous Restaurant. Janet

Stan: 24th Jan 2008 - 19:13 GMT

Hi Janet:

It dawns on me that the bakery is where the Famous restaurant was originally located. They probably kept the name because of it.

Oooh what I wouldn't do for one of those rolls now. There's absolutely nothing like them up here. Even the bagels are different.

Ellen: 25th Jan 2008 - 00:29 GMT

Oh what memories!!!!!!.My grandparents lived at 1102 Eastern PKWY and my Grandpa had a tailor shop on Utica right around the corner. I spent every Saturday afternooon of my childhood there- with all my aunts, uncles and 15 cousins. I remember Dubrows and taking dancing lesons (tap & ballet) across the Pkwy at 'Star Time' Dance Studio next to Famous restaurant. I often saw a matinee at the Carroll theatre. I am 61 and an attorney in the San Francisco area but the wonderful memories of my chidlhood spent there are priceless. I went to Tilden but my aunts went to Erasmus.

janet: 29th Jan 2008 - 00:05 GMT

Does any one who went to Tilden High remember Mrs. Byrne (my favorite), Mr. Brill, Mr. Kerner? Mrs. Fuller, Gottesman, Fish, Novell? Or Dr. Levine, Mr. Blum, Gold, Davidoff, Miss Schicarella, Miss Arden? (all I can think of at the moment).

A. Weinstein: 29th Jan 2008 - 15:06 GMT

Len Lipner, you should be ashamed of yourself! I have emailed you several times and you do not answer... Only kidding! I know you must be very busy with your new Grandson. Hey guys please don't stop writing about the good ole days, it keeps me going.

Does anyone remember Tommy's Candy Store corner Lincoln Place and Troy Avenue? Does anyone remember the Yeshiva on Eastern Parkway between Troy Avenue and 167 School? Does anyone out there know of Bernice Barnett she lived at 1226 Lincoln Place?

Oh by the way you can get some good authentic rec. on line for knishes. Anyone who would like to email me and talk about the good ole days I am at ascull@harwood1.com

Stan: 30th Jan 2008 - 15:24 GMT

A. Weinstein

Yes, I remember the candy store. I would go home for lunch (Albany & Lincoln) and come to school via Lincoln place. I'd stop at the candy store with my penny. They had a big glass display case with loads of different candies and we would all spend time trying to decide what to get.They also had a penny roulette wheel with prizes. Also two big red cans near the door with big rolled pretzels and pretzel sticks.

By the way, if you have a recipe for knishes like we used to get from the wagon please send it to me at ferrotherm@frontiernet.net.

A. Weinstein: 1st Feb 2008 - 14:02 GMT

Hi Stan,
You got that right wow!!! you just made my memory kick in do you remember the Spero Potato Chips they had? I most liked the choclate covered Jelly candies they had on the counter and the marshmello twists. I think the name of the company that made them was Joyva.
They were the only candystore that sold Breyers ice cream.Stan why don't you email me at ascull@harwood1.com so that we can chat more on these memories.
Waiting for your email

Leon: 15th Feb 2008 - 23:21 GMT

I remember Town Hill but it was called the Bedford Rest before that. I had my first date with my wife there 48 years ago. I grew up in in the 30's and 40's in Crown Heights (Kingston and Lefferts) which wasn't that far from Eastern Parkway the 30's. Spent many nights sitting on the benches and shmoozing. PS 91 and Erasmus were my schools. Those were the days!!!

Shelley: 17th Feb 2008 - 22:18 GMT

I lived in Brownsville, but went to Tilden. Mr Gold was a great English teacher who loved to act; also Mr Engber, my best friend Ricky & I had crushes on him. Dr Stoloff was a pediatrician with an office in a big house with columns, on Eastern Parkway near Utica. Anyone remember him?

janet: 25th Feb 2008 - 00:57 GMT

Shelley--As a student teacher at Tilden, I remember Mr. Gold's dramatic performances and saw him leap on his desk once. He was a great favorite with students--lots of flair and drama. I never had him as a teacher when I was a student there, however (though all his classes were much impressed by his antics). I went to Jefferson one summer before my senior year in order to take a course or two for an earlier graduation. I think I took French and maybe a math class. I recall having a soda or two in a candy store across the street. Jefferson was known to us best because Danny Kaye had been a student there-- kicked out (so the scuttlebutt went) because of uncontrollable antics like hanging out of the window.

Kenny: 26th Feb 2008 - 03:02 GMT

I lived on Saratoga and Blake 43-57. It was the best times that a child could ever live thru. Went to PS 156, Somer's JHS then Tilden High. Spent my entire youth playing in school yard of 156. Went on the roof, I think tuesday night to watch the fire works from Coney Island during the summer. The kids today will never know how wonderful it was. If we only knew then how good it was.

Len Lipner: 2nd Mar 2008 - 22:58 GMT

For Alma (Weinstein) Scull:

C'mon, toots, I didn't answer your emails 'cause I didn't get 'em! You know I still love you, and would've answered every one.

The funny thing about Tommy's was that when it changed ownership, the neighborhood kids (me, Larry and Kenny, Bobby, Albie, Stevie Daniels, Mickey Lapidus, and all the girls) just couldn't grok that it wasn't "Tommy's" any more. We insisted on calling the new owner Tommy. He resisted at first, but then gave in. (Something about the customer always being right). To this day, I don't remember his real name.

Let's see - the Yeshiva, sorta back-to-back with 1212 and 1226 Lincoln Place. It was the main elementary school for boys used by the Lubavitchers, and far as I know, continues in that use to this day. All I remember is the ambiguity of their being "our people" (Jewish) yet a world or two apart from us. I got locked in their schoolyard once, after hours. THAT was fun!

Oh, what I wouldn't give for some of those 2 cent chocolate covered jelly candies, from the box with the cellophane lid, on the counter at Tommy's; and those 2-cent marshmallow bars. God, I'm DIEING here...

Another memory of Tommy's: quickly running down there for ice cream cones during the commercial breaks in the Milton Berle show in the summer. EVERY window was open, and EVERY TV was tuned to Uncle Miltie, so you didn't miss a thing - you could hear the show perfectly, even in the street.

All I remember of Bernice Barnett was that I think my sister Susan played with her, and her brother Freddie lived through a miracle: he was deathly ill, everyone knew he was going to die, it was only a matter of time, and there was a pall over the neighborhood. And then he didn't! Got better, just like that. People were amazed, but hey, it was an age of miracles.

By the way, Stevie Karlin (first floor of 1212) did die, young, of cancer.

I have recently been in touch with Larry Gertler (of 1226) through his sister Frances; more on that later.

As for knish recipes, email me your phone number and we'll talk about them. Can't be done so easily in an online posting.

TTFN,
Len (StoryLen@aol.com)

Len Lipner: 3rd Mar 2008 - 01:00 GMT

KNISHES

OK, for anyone who wants to do his/her own cooking, I just wrote an email to Stan and to Alma, containing a sort of recipe for knishes as I remember them from Brooklyn. ("Sort of" because there are a lot of judgement calls that are entirely up to you). Send me your email address, and I'll forward it to you.

Len (StoryLen@aol.com)

janet: 3rd Mar 2008 - 01:29 GMT

Hello Again Len--Do e-mail me that knish recipe. (The very memory of them makes me faint with pleasure.) We never had a TV, but when Uncle Miltie came on ("We are the men from Texaco, we're known from Maine to Mexico . . ."), I parked myself in my friend Sylvia's living room where her entire family (and I) watched (Tuesday nights at 8, no?). I don't remember Sylvia's last name, but I think she lived in an apt. house on Lincoln Place too (near Troy). Thanks for the memories . . . Janet

A. Weinstein: 4th Mar 2008 - 13:42 GMT

Hi Len,
Can't understand why you have not received my emails, lost your phone number can you call me at 1-800-442-7966 ext. 107 so we can chat?
Regards to the family,
Waiting to hear from you.
Alma

stepha: 9th Mar 2008 - 14:49 GMT

halvah, large cake like size, under plastic, they cut slices from it. yum

A. Weinstein: 11th Mar 2008 - 12:57 GMT

came in Marble, choclate coated or vanilla. Yum-O

janet: 11th Mar 2008 - 23:34 GMT

My, but that halvah was scrumptious (haven't thought of it cut that way in scores of years--but right you are!). That's also how we got our butter: grocer would cut a rich yellow chunk of it from an oblong wood box. When did butter come to be sold in lb. bars?

Martha Rice: 15th Mar 2008 - 05:50 GMT

My mother grew up at 1076 Lincoln Place. She was born in 1925, and is 82 today. her maiden name was Helen Jane Rice. She had a wonderful life there in Brooklyn and I so love hearing her tell the stories. My great grandfather, Henry Thonsen, had his own butcher shop in the neighborhood. this was before the crash, and like alot of people who libed through the crash, his business went under. My mother's family were hard working and very solid, interesting people. Everybody looked so fashionable back in those days! My mother went to a little school called The Berkley Institute. She had a fantastic education and a beautiful life in that beautiful neighborhood. I would love to be able to time travel back to those years when Brooklyn was in its heyday - such graciousness existed in Brooklyn that few people today even realize. I would love to hear from anybody who might have a link to this neighborhood, and possibly my mother's family.
My email is:
howyadoinere@hotmail.com

Thanks, and Goooo BROOKLYN!!!!

Steve Mars: 17th Mar 2008 - 01:33 GMT

My parents Bernard and Estelle Mars (mom's maiden name is Estelle Roxenberg) grew up in Crown Heights. Their first date was at the Bedford Rest. My dad taught at Tilden High for 30+ years. He and his brother Leonard attended PS 167 and Erasmus High. I can't believe all the great Brooklyn memories posted here.
Regards to all.

janet: 18th Mar 2008 - 14:03 GMT

Steve--Your father's name sounds ever so familiar. What subject did he teach? I was a S.J. Tilden student; then later taught there for a couple of years. Perhaps it was during my teaching years that I knew him. Janet

A. Weinstein: 21st Mar 2008 - 15:28 GMT

Does anyone remember my sister or any of her friends from Tilden? Her name was Marilyn Weinstein. Some of her friends were Sandy Zeppenick, Yvonne, Frank Bigoli. Let me know if you remember her.

Marjie: 8th Apr 2008 - 01:57 GMT

I lived at 969 Carroll St from 1948 - 1954. Remember standing on the corner of Carroll & Bedford collecting the tickets from the people who attended the Dodgers games. I went to PS 241. Had Miss Kaufman for 1st grade. She was the sweetest teacher.

Mitch: 10th Apr 2008 - 01:24 GMT

I also lived at 969 Carol Street from 1952 (born) - 1960. I also went to PS241. You might know my two cousins who also lived in another appt in our building at the same time. I don't know why I remember this but we lived in, I think, apt 1A which was at the front of the building. My cousins lived in an apt on the 6th floor in the rear of the building. We faced each other across the internal courtyard. We used to yell across the courtyard to each other from our respective apt windows. They were a little older than me. Maybe you went to school with one of them. Their maiden names were Linda and Franny (Francine) Ehrensweig. My dad (and later my younger brother) owned the drugstore at the corner of Franklin and Eastern Parkway, Maiman's Pharmacy.

Marjie: 10th Apr 2008 - 03:55 GMT

Hi Mitch,

I also lived on the 6th floor, facing rear. It was a lonnnnnnnnnng walk up each day. Linda was my friend. I remember playing in their apt many times. Didn't her dad have a job - something to do with milk? Possibly a milk route? And her mom's name was Ada. My mom put a blow up swimming pool on the roof of the building one summer- she got in trouble for doing that. LOL I've been wondering if the building still stands - last time I was there was visiting around 1958. On the first floor I remember a girl named Barbara Kowalski (something like that), and another girl named Doris in another apt. It was so safe to live there in those days. My mother let me play outside in front of the building, a friend in a front third floor apt. would look out her window to check on me and my mother had a note inned on me (I think I was about 5 yrs old). The note said "Please send Marjie upstairs at 4pm." That would never happen today. Where do you live now, and tell me info about Linda?

Mitch: 13th Apr 2008 - 03:26 GMT

Hi Marjie,

I can't believe it. My wife and I got together with my cousin Linda and her husband Larry tonight. She remembers you quite well and was so pleased and surprised that, after all this time, through the internet, there could be a connection. Your name is familiar to me too though I am a little younger than you. I am sure we must have met as we (my younger brother Scott, younger sister Toby and I) always hung out in my aunt's appt. We were Linda's little cousins. Franny and Linda used to fight over who would watch us. Linda bandied about a bunch of names of other girls in your group ... Shiela something, Doris something. Linda has a great memory. She remembered Barbara as well. Indeed, there was never any issue playing around the front of the building on Carol St.

Anyway, she corrected me on a couple of my facts. First, my apartment was on the 2nd floor and she (and you) lived on the 4th floor (at least that is what she insists). FYI ...

1. the building is still there (last time I was in Brooklyn about 3-4 years ago anyway). You can actually see it on the satelite view in Google Maps.
2. My great aunt Ada, thank G-d, is still with us and living in Queens. She is pretty old but is as sharp as a tack.

My cousin Linda and I live in Holbrook (on LI). Linda would love to connect and say hi.

If you are interested, and prefer, can you send contact info to my email address: mhuntm@optonline.net? Linda is not exactly very computer oriented ... but she does talk!

Regards,

Mitch

A. Weinstein: 18th Apr 2008 - 13:59 GMT

Hey everyone,
Let's get some dialogue going here. Hasn't anyone got any memories they would like to share? Does anyone remember getting out of school (P.S. 167) at lunchtime and having the pretzel man standing there with his push cart selling those hot soft pretzels with all the salt on them? Or going accross the street to Faye the pickle lady and get a big old sour pickle for a nickle in her wooden barrels sitting outside a store that sold chickens and etc. I really enjoy reading everyone's feedback so give a holler I'm here waiting...................

David L. Drogin: 28th Apr 2008 - 18:23 GMT

My mother had an aunt and two uncles living on the corner of Eastern Parkway and Kingston Avenue (next to the Lubavicher Synagogue), and my paternal grandmother lived across Eastern parkway. We visited all the time. I vividly remember staying at mom's uncle's apartment and going to services at Brooklyn Jewish Center on passover.

janet: 30th Apr 2008 - 15:18 GMT

I don't remember the pretzel man outside of P.S. 167, only the knish man (and that most fondly!). Yes, the pickle lady . . . with her half-and half gloves, the palms covered but fingers bared and open and fishing for sours and half-sours. Thanks for the memory of that chicken store (with its half-hidden back room where the chickens were killed and the lingering smell of burnt feathers) being right behind her outside barrels on the corner of Lincoln. I hadn't been able to place the chicken store precisely. Do you remember the luncheonette at the corner right across Lincoln Place? Janet

A. Weinstein: 1st May 2008 - 13:52 GMT

Hi Janet,
Most definitely do remember the luncheonette on the corner that is where I was introduced to my first choclate malted and my sister showing me how to dunk a pretzel stick in the glass of malted (yummo). Do you remember the lady who used to sell only bananas she also wore gloves where the fingers were cut out.Do you remember Key Food Supermarket. I remember that is where my mom used to shop and there was a guy named Red who worked there, or owned it. Do you also remember a butcher shop on on Schnectady named Henke's I remember the sawdust on the floor when you walked in and he would always give me a slice of liverwurst free, when I would go there shopping with my Mom. I also remember a like a toy and school supply store near the butcher shop I used to buy my spauldin balls there, you know (the pink ones)when they were new you could play "A my name is" much better, do you remember the name of that store? Also I remember the Deli on the corner of St. Johns and Schnectady they had the best Franks.
Keep in touch Janet I love all the memories.

A. Weinstein: 1st May 2008 - 19:01 GMT

Oh< Janet by the way do you remember the knish place on St.Johns Place near the Utica Theatre?

Steve: 2nd May 2008 - 01:30 GMT

Janet
My father taught at Tilden high school for 30+ years (1951-1985). He was also the football and tennis coach.

A. Weinstein: 2nd May 2008 - 13:57 GMT

Janet,
I went to Erasmus but my sister went to Tilden her name was Marilyn Weinstein did you know her?

janet: 2nd May 2008 - 17:13 GMT

How terrific is this! Alma, I do remember the knish place, but it was across Utica Avenue from the movie house (which from time to time we affectionately called "the Itch"). I didn't buy knishes there so often because we always got them from the deli you spoke of--right on the corner of Schenectady & St. Johns (the street where I lived). It was run by two men, bald, one taller and huskier than the gentler other, both always in white aprons. The franks and knish delights were at the Schenectady side of the window. I can still see the lettering for kosher . . . Mostly I bought a frank with mustard & sauerkraut (my absolute favorite meal in those days), sometimes my father bought salami (for salami and eggs--yummy Sunday dinner!). The deli counter with meats ready to be sliced was straight ahead when you entered, and there were tables with chairs in the center with the kitchen at the back right. Never has a frank tasted so good. Correct me, those who know--10 cents a frank? Be back with more later . . .

janet: 2nd May 2008 - 18:54 GMT

Steve--I must have known your father when I taught at Tilden from 1958 to mid-1960 (I had graduated from Tilden in 1951). It was a fine school in those years. Most of the graduates went on to Brooklyn College--difficult to get into in those years--high Regents exam scores + girls needed an average a couple of points higher than boys (and both had to be in the mid-nineties). As I said earlier, your dad's name is very familiar. I'll bet we had any number of lunches together in the faculty dining room. . . Janet

Steve: 3rd May 2008 - 14:40 GMT

Janet
Former football players (and other students) from mid 60's (mostly 63 & 64) have been holding reunions at Tilden field each fall. They raised funds to support the current team, and working with the school renamed the football field after my dad (in 2005).

Also, I read about a 50th reunion for Tilden class of 1958. It's on Long Island in the fall. I can dig up contact info if you are interested.
Steve

A. Weinstein: 5th May 2008 - 16:46 GMT

Janet,
What year did you graduate P.S. 167?
What was the address that you lived at on Lincoln Place?
Waiting to hear from you....................
Alma

janet: 5th May 2008 - 16:55 GMT

Alma--I think I left 167 at the end of the 6th grade in '46 or '47. I*'m vague because I went on to John Marshall JHS (JHS 210) on Rochester & Park Place, finished there and started at Tilden HS in the sophomore year, graduating in 1951. I didn't know your sister (I checked my graduation book too). I didn't live on Lincoln Place; I lived on St. John's Place (right smack in the middle of the block over Mr. SIlverstein's candy store between Schenectady & Troy). A good friend of mine, Marcia Bernstein, went to Erasmus. She had lived next door to me on St. Johns, but then moved to the corner apt. building on President Street and Troy. Janet

A. Weinstein: 5th May 2008 - 18:41 GMT

Janet,
Wasn't 210 where a teacher was pushed off the roof or something like that?
Alma

janet: 7th May 2008 - 13:13 GMT

I don't remember that event. No doubt it happened after I'd left the school (not a moment too soon apparently). 210 was pretty much a "tough" school because of the rougher neighborhoods it drew from. I regretted for a long time--still do--not having finished up those best years (with enduring memories and friendships) at P.S. 167. When you're young the temptation to skip a grade and hurry life along was too strong to resist. Janet

janet: 7th May 2008 - 13:39 GMT

Steve--How wonderful that the football field bears your father's name! I remember the name (he wasn't also in charge of disciplinary cases too, was he?). I used to get the alumni bulletin from Tilden, but no doubt my subscription ran out. 1958 is the year I started teaching there, but I by this time I wouldn't know any of the students. Exception--I remember football player Ronny Bly making quite a stir. Whatever happened to him? Janet

anon (ool-182ffebf.dyn.optonline.net): 14th May 2008 - 02:04 GMT

Janet
You are correct. Ronnie Bly was a huge star for Tilden. He went on to play football at Notre Dame and briefly in the NFL for the Giants and Eagles. (I don't think he was in charge of disciplinary cases-- but I can't be sure)
Regards
Steve

anon (): 16th May 2008 - 19:05 GMT

I am a relative of Radin. Who were you friends with Roy or Sandy?

sr: 16th May 2008 - 19:05 GMT

I am a relative of Radin. Who were you friends with Roy or Sandy?

janet: 25th May 2008 - 22:51 GMT

Alma--Back to your memories of the old neighborhood. I remember the butcher shop, the one on Schenectady right near Lincoln Place (and next to a wonderful hardware store with long passage between loads of kitchen and general household stuff). I don't recall the name Henkel--but to the store I'm thinking of we occasionally delivered cans of rendered fat (wartime). Also, they were closed on Tuesday (meatless Tuesday--again, the war effort), and they also closed on Friday because most Catholics did not (and many still do not) eat meat on that day. I don't recall Key Foods-- but I was never good at remembering store names. Was it on Schenectady? Strange how little my friends and I wandered away from the immediate neighborhood. Crossing St. John's itself just to the other side was an act seldom done though there it was just staring at us across the trolley tracks--nor do I remember that we had friends from that side. Wow! Of course, we all went to the movies, mostly the Utica, often the Congress, sometimes the Carroll near Empire Blvd., and once in a while the Savoy (all the way by bus to Bedford--I saw "A&C Meet Frankenstein" there) and on the way opposite pole near Ralph Avenue, the Palace??? It was around the corner from the Pitkin--more alien territory. Looking back, life seems simple in those days (though we know life was far from that). Janet

A. Weinstein: 27th May 2008 - 18:14 GMT

Hi Janet,
Thanks for taking me back to the comfort days of yore. I have a few more questions for you. Did you know a girl named Judy Rubin she lived on St. Johns Place. Also do you remember a fish store on St. Johns Place between Troy and Schnectady and near it was a cheese and butter store? I remember you had to walk up a couple of steps to get to these two stores, and on the corner was the Deli. Wasn't there a drug store on the corner of St. Johns and Schenectady across from the Deli? Try to search your mind and answer back when you can I love hearing from you.
Alma

janet: 2nd Jun 2008 - 02:38 GMT

Hi Alma--Sorry, the name Rubin is not familiar (though I knew a Judy Kessler). But I certainly remember the fish store! (Thanks for reminding me that one needed to walk up a couple of stone steps--that we did!). The fish swam in tanks on the other side of the window. You'd ask the man or his mustached son for a pike or carp, he'd use his big net, toss the fated fish on to an oblong wooden board, knock it hard on the head with a wooden mallet, and that was that! I never forgot it. How things die . . . My mother sent me there or went herself on Thursdays so that she'd have the fish for Friday's usual gefilte treat. I remember the dairy store next door because you have reminded me of it--but we never shopped there because we patronilzed a small grocery just below our apartment (the grocer extended credit until Friday!). The corner deli frank was my favorite special treat. Between the deli and the fish store was an apt. house--well, a stone bldg in grey with stone steps up to the entry door. Upstairs the apts. had windows at the angle. There was no drug store on the St. Johns/Schenectady corner, but there certainly was one on the corner of St. Johns & Utica--Ronsons Drugs; also there was a drugstore at Schenectady & Lincoln Place, right across from 167. I wonder now if you're thinking of the drug store on the corner of St. Johns and Troy? It had a lunch counter (for ice-cream things really) straight ahead to the left as you walked in. Up the street a bit was our post-office. Do you remember that on the other corner of St. Johns across the trolley tracks from the deli there was a barber shop with at least three barbers that was entered at the angle where the streets met? I would watch as my father had his hair cut--with a shave now and then complete with hot towel. The shop was long, with many black chairs, mirrored walls, black and white tiled floors--and you could get your shoes shined at the back! Down that part of Schenectady and across the street was a German bakery, and just nearby a luncheonette with a long counter for sitting at while enjoying black-and-white sodas or ice cream from long-stemmed thick frappe glasses--only three flavors then as I recall. Write back soon. Janet

alan: 22nd Jun 2008 - 18:27 GMT

jUST BY ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION CONCERNING SOMEONE IN THE PAST,A ENTIRE WORLD OPENS TO YOU. I lived at 4802 Snyder and left Tilden in 1960. What a different world. My grandfather owed the buiding and we took at look at it 2-3 years and it was abandoned. What fun, the Irish on 49th street, and jews and Italians on 48th. A dfferent time.

Liz: 8th Jul 2008 - 02:57 GMT

I was born at St. Mary's Hospital, baptized at St. Matthews church on Eastern Parkway. My parents were married at St Matthews and my mother attended St Matthews grade school and then attended St Angela Hall Academy. I remember walking along Utica Ave, stopping at Sam Ash for sheet music, because my Dad played the piano. We lived on Prospect Place, it was my grandmothers house. There was a grocery store, "Lou's" on Utica Ave, and Lou would always have new "kittens". WE would adopt a kitten, to my parents dismay. My mom was a nurse who worked at St. Mary's and my dad a struggling Attorney.

There was a such a sense of "family" and believe that nothing could ever harm you, because, there were eyes that watched over you, not only your parent eyes, but all the neighbors that lived on that block. Our world was a small world, but it certainly was a caring world. In those days, it was not un-neighborly to watch and tell what your children were up to, it was expected.

Law suites were unheard of for children "fighting it out" and there were always adults that made sure it didn't go to far, and to far was, one child taller then the other, not guns vs. knives. This was a time when T. V. was not in many homes, children played OUTSIDE, not on the computer. Stick Ball for boys and for the create bunch, we camped out in the back yard.

Hmmmm, so do you thing we have progressed or lost something ??

Liz: 8th Jul 2008 - 03:03 GMT

Smiling...Eastern Parkway...Irish, Italian, Jewish...how come we all knew how to get along back then??? I can remember a Jewish couple coming up to me and saying something in Yiddish, and then noticing a surprise look on my face and translating the words for me. What they had said was....Beautiful Jewish Face...and when I replied that I was Irish, we all laughed. How simple life was then, and we didn't even know it!!!

Ron A. (aka Ronnie): 10th Jul 2008 - 11:17 GMT

I lived at 486 Brooklyn Avenue and played on Sterling St. with my friends. I went to PS91 between 1958 - 1964. Next to Lefferts JHS. We left Brooklyn in 8th grade for Westchester. I would so thoroughly enjoy re-connecting with some wonderful memories of that period. (First Kiss - schoolyard at PS91 - Rhonda Meisel).

Brody: 13th Jul 2008 - 21:54 GMT

What a delight to come across this blog. It was truly "the best of times." Not only did I have the privledge of playing football for Bernie Mars 58'-60' but my uncle played with coach Mars on the Brooklyn College teams od the early 50's. About Ronnie Bly... he was responsible for taking a mediocre team to a city championship game. Because of him a lot of us "not so talented players" were awarded scholarships to other than "Big Ten" schools. Ronnie did play for Notre Dame, The Eagles, and then the Giants. It is my understanding that he fell upon hardtimes in the late 70's or early 80's and was hired by Steve Boxer (QB of that football team) who had become CEO of "White Rose Foods." Some guys do payback.

keli: 16th Jul 2008 - 01:15 GMT

It is said my Grandfather owned a bar on the corner of Empire Blvd and New york Ave in the 1940's.His name was Alphonse Callori.Is there anyone out there with the recolection of the name of the bar or my grandfather.Any and all info will be cherised. Thank You Keli

Waltson: 17th Jul 2008 - 00:35 GMT

My grandfather owned the Midwood Inn & the Paramont Inn, both in Flatbush during the pre-depression 1920's & 1930's....before my time. He told me that Rudi Valee sang there.

keli: 17th Jul 2008 - 15:20 GMT

Updated from the family,It was around 1954 and may have been called Al's Bar and Grill.

anon (cache-ntc-ab03.proxy.aol.com): 18th Jul 2008 - 17:21 GMT

Liz: My sister was born in St Marys Hospital in 1929,the only one of seve siblings born in a hospital. We all went to St Matthews school and church in the 1930s. The boys on the north side and the girls on the south side of the 3 story buliding.Lou's market in my time was mostly Italian, vegetable, cheeses and drawers full with all kinds of loose pastas. weowned our houase at 1187 St Marks ave. It was torn down to make space for the 77th Precient.Some of my friends that lived on Prospect Place were Joe Kelliher, Marty Carmody,Tom Gandley, Ralph Guzzo,Sonny Duffy,Joe and John Murphy. We hung out at the candy store on Schenecty Av and Prospect Place. My name is Bill Hammond and I have lived in Denver for 62 years. Would like to hear from anyone who lived in the old neighborhood in the 30's ans 40's.

Liz: 23rd Jul 2008 - 00:11 GMT

Dear Mr. Hammond,

I was born 1948, so I don't think we hung out together, but my Mom was a nurse at St. Mary's, probably at the time your siblings were born I have wonderful memories of "life" in "Brooklyn" and Prospect Place was a wonderful mix of people. Life was simple, we were neighbors, it didn't matter if you were Italian, Irish, Afro American, we were neighbors.

R.RUBIN: 1st Aug 2008 - 13:32 GMT

DUBROWS = FREESELTZER!.MADE MAPLE SYRUP EGG-CREAMS
WITH MILK ON TABLES FOR COFFEE,&`TOWN HILL'ON
EASTERN PKY/BEDFORD AVE.HAD TERRIFIC`REVIEW'SHOWS
& A FUN HOUSE BAND[BOBBY GREEN & HIS`AGGREVATION']
& THE UTICA THEATER ON ST.JOHNS PL NEAR.UTICA AVE.
SAT.MATINEE`KIDDIE'SHOWS,LOTS OF`BOWERY BOYS'FILMS
WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD'IN `50's-`60's CROWN HTS WAS!
& P.S.167 STICKBALL GAMES LASTED ALL DAY!AS DID
PUNCHBALL..ALL REAL N.Y.C.STREET GAMES!I DO MISS
MY YOUTH IN THAT NUTSO`HOOD'DONT YOU?

RICHIE .RUBIN: 1st Aug 2008 - 14:03 GMT

BACK TO CROWN HTS,REMEMBER:`BILLY BOYS'
CANDYSTORE?GREFF'S DELI BOTH ST,JOHNS PL.
&`SKIN-NECK-TITTY'AVE[LOCAL JOKE,AS MANY
OF US KID'S COULDN'T SPELL THE REAL STREET
NAME!WHEN THE B'KLYN DODGERS WON THE 1955
WORLD SERIES ALL DELIS GAVE OUT FREE`FRANKS'
& PIZZA JOINTS FREE SLICES!WHAT A DAY THAT
WAS IN BROOKLYN!REMEMBER TANKS ON EASTERN PKWY DURING PARADES?& AIRSHOWS @ FLOYD BENNET
FIELD? &`TROLLEYS/ELECTRIC BUSES ALL OVER B'KLYN? NOW I LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO AREA..& THEY STILL HAVE`EM!GA$ $AVER$..NO? THEY EVEN
HAVE AN OLD TROLLEY FROM B'KLYN THAT LAST RAN
CONEY ISLAND AVE.ROUTE IN `57!& IT STILL SMELLS LIKE B'KLYN!

RICHIE .RUBIN: 1st Aug 2008 - 14:36 GMT

THE KNISH STORE WAS ON ST.JOHNS PL TWIXT"UTICA/ROCHESTER AVE I CAN SHMELL`EM NOW
& HOW'S`BOUT`WOOLWORTHS'ON UTICA NR LINCOLN PL?& ST.MATTHEWS`FAIRS'IN SUMMER? WITH SILLY
GAMES LIKE:`KILL THE CAT'& SAM ASH MUSIC
WHERE I BOUGHT RECORDS[YEP,45's]FOR.60 cents
NOW I WISH I STILL HAD`EM[DON'T YOU?]

BillH: 5th Aug 2008 - 02:34 GMT

Liz when you were born I was 24 and living in Colorado so I am a "few" years older than you. I am probably about the same age as your parents. Where did you live on Prospect Place? I knew many people who lived between Rochester Av and New York Av. What was your mother and father's names and your grandparents name. I lived on St Marks Av between Utica and Rochester from 1929 through 1946. My only surviving sibling lived there until 1960. She will probably remember your family. You can contact me at: elainebillhamm@aol.com BillH H

janet: 6th Aug 2008 - 13:03 GMT

Richie--Thanks for the "Gref" reminder. I've been trying to remember the name of our corner deli (the only deli on St. John's until you got to Rochester (or was the next as distant as Buffalo?). The two men who seemed always to be there--both bald, one tall and stocky, the other older and white-haired, shorter, with a kinder face (he usually served up the franks)--remain from memories of childhood still. Bill, as for Schenectady below St. John's--there was the German bakery (maybe it was Ebbingers--not sure) and a luncheonette where we often bought frappes or ice-cream sodas. I knew briefly a couple of older boys who lived on "the other side of the tracks"--St. Johns Place tracks, that is-- around St. Marks Ave. on or near Schenectady and Utica-- Bill Finn, Tommy Creamer, Norman Fagan.

anon: 8th Aug 2008 - 20:05 GMT

Bernice Barnett married a man with the last name of Mechanic many years ago. Joel and Stevie, the twin Barnetts were my friends who lived across the hall in 1226 Lincoln Place.

Bob: 9th Aug 2008 - 06:52 GMT

Just ran across this site, sounds like old home week.
Lived at 887 lincoln Place and went to P.S.138.After
graduating went to Boys High at the annex on Park Pl
and then to main bldg on Marcy and Putnam.Remember the
Dubrow family and delivered to them when i was a kid.
Also does anyone remember the Brooklyn Childrens Museum,
a great place when you were young. Also the Cameo theater on Eastern Pkwy showed movies on the roof. Also
remember when WWII was over we were on Eastern Pkwy,all
traffic stopped and people were shouting, dancing and
blowing car horns. That nite we had a block party and
they showed movies on a large sheet.A wonderful place
to live and grow up in.

Joan: 11th Aug 2008 - 02:18 GMT

A good friend forward this to me, and I enjoyed the trip back to the old neighborhood.Schusters was the great bakery on Schenectady Ave north of Lincoln Place.The were several excellent produce markets. We shopped at Streisands, which was managed by Henry, a young black Negro who spoke Yiddish and was an addition whiz.The banana lady sold only bananas for $.15 per pound.Faye Kopchich, the pickle lady died about 1960. Her widower proposed to my mother, who I am certain did not want to sell pickles. I'll post more later.

Joan: 11th Aug 2008 - 02:27 GMT

Looking down from the roof of 1212 Lincoln Place to a window in the adjacent building which fronted on Troy Ave, you could see Mr. Kopchich mixing the ppickles in the brine. Hurst's Pharmacy was on Eastern Parkway, corner Troy, and he had fountain service. Joe's barber shop was owned by Joe Lodato, brother of August Lodato, principal of PS 167. Tommy's candy storewas owned by the Wolinetz
family. In addition to the wonderful candy case, you could get ice cream sodas, frappes, malted, 2 cents plain, or a larger glass of seltzer for 5 cents.Good egg creams too. More goodies later!

Bob: 14th Aug 2008 - 05:31 GMT

If you would like to see some oldie goldie pictures of
Brooklyn neighborhoods check out BrooklynPix.com.Might
get a memory from this site.

Ellen : 26th Aug 2008 - 17:43 GMT

What can anyone tell me about Prospect Heights Hospital where I was born 9/19/1942? Dad worked at the Brooklyn Naval Yard, mom came to NY from Michigan and they were married in Little Church Around the Corner 11/29/41. Returned to Michigan September 1943 to live with grandparents as dad was inducted into the Navy and served on Guam. I have no memories of time in Brooklyn ... have a son on Long Island and visit NY frequently now. Went to Coney Island last week while visiting.

herb weitz: 2nd Sep 2008 - 14:02 GMT

got to union & kingston around 1938-9 went to 167 for 1
semester then the crown heights yeshiva (310 crown)next to ps161 at 13 I discovered Shwabies poolroom HEAVEN, a warm place to play hookey and among the last hangouts of the old Jewish tough guys of the 20's and 30's who'd moved west from E.NY , one of the biggest gambling dens on the e.coast, in 1948 I saw a Buddy Shirling bet $50000
on a ballgame. Union st (Kingston & Albany) was a great
place for a kid my friends were Pat O'Rourke, Barry Cunningham, Jackie & Jr. Gennarossa, David and Leon Carlin,Andrew Schneider,Richard Robey and in 1946? the first black family with 2 boys Sonny& Arnold Sanford,
at night I'd hangout in Schwabie's and Freds Luncheonette
and jerked sodas off and on between 16 & 18, At 18 A bar
owners daughter asked me to fill in at her dad's place
and opined that if I could carry a malted .."you can carry a whiskey"...That night a large group of wise guys
come in about 30 each table orders a bottle of Seagrams VO or Canadian Club or Dewars or Cutty $13 I got $20 keep the change 8 times plus $1 per hour plus the bar
filled with non-virgin females..women who knew what they wanted just like I did...Valhalla!!
the Bedford Rest had become the Town Hill and got Jackie
Wilson level acts..I stayed in the bar club business
a good deal in Brooklyn to wit ,5 O'clock Lounge,San Chels,Interlude,Sillouette,Flamboyan, Sea Isle Motel
The Raleigh Hotel in S.Fallsburg
I'd sure like to find the guys I mentioned particularly Pat O'Rourke
I'm easy to reach info@custombookbinding.com

Dr Jayne: 8th Sep 2008 - 18:40 GMT

Great site. Did anyone go to dancing school at Miss Helen's School of Dance in the early 1960s? Probably on 19th ave? If you did, there was a family with three girls who were older than I was, named Ruth, Karen and Susan, who also went to that school. Karen was the middle girl and I just adored her. We moved in the mid 60s, but I never forgot it. I had always decided if I ever had a little girl I would name her Karen after this person in dancing school, who I am sure didn't know I existed. Many years ago I DID have a girl (three, actually) and we named the first one Caryn. And guess what? She is a professional ballet dancer.
DCraig4328@cs.com

RUTH NELSON SHERMAN: 15th Sep 2008 - 23:28 GMT

MY MEMORIES GO FURTHER BACK. I NEVER LIVED IN bROOKLYN BUT WOULD SPEND A LOT OF SUMMERS WITH MY BUBBY AND UNCLE A 1710 CARROL ST.

MY PARENTS MET ON A BENCH ON EASTERN PKWY AND THE HALL WAS THE PARK MANOR.

OF COURSE, I KNOW DUBROWS AND HAD A BUNCH OF FRIENDS WHO LIVED ON CARROLL ST. HELENE KATZMAN, SONIA PINES, JOANNE MODELLE, LOUISE KLETZKIN. THEY PLAYED HANDBALL AT LINCOLN TERRACE. SOME OF THE GUYS WE HUNG OUT WITH WERE MORTY MESKIN, ARTY BELOWSKY. DO ANY OF THESE NAMES SOUND FAMILIAR. I LIVE IN EVANSTON ILLINOIS AND MY E-MAIL IS BANDRS@SBCGLOBAL.NET THOSE WERE WONDERFUL TIMES.

Michael: 18th Sep 2008 - 04:08 GMT

Just took a tour of Franklin Avenue. Anyone remember eating at Radin's Deli or Ben & Sol? My friends used to argue which deli had the best french fries. I lived at 334 Eastern Parkway. Graduated PS 241 in 1965.

Scott Radin: 19th Sep 2008 - 21:11 GMT

To the person talking about Radins Deli. Sandy is my dad. Send me a email at sradin@accurint.com

Stan: 20th Sep 2008 - 16:21 GMT

I was born at 1074 Eastern Pkway, moved to 919 then 915 and around the corner to Albany Ave, between Lincoln and St. Johns. My wife can't understand why we always lived within a few blocks. PS 167, Roosevelt parading on the Parkway when the Dodgers came out of the basement and won their first pennant, Had my hair cut by Joe Lodato and never new he was related to August Lodato, Boy scouts in the basement at 167 Troop 271), Honey's store to buy school supplies, Freidman's department store on St. Johns place for clothes, tin soldiers on the counters at Woolworths and Kresges on Utica Ave.(10 cents each) the Riviera theatre on St. Johns at Kingston, my mother shipping me chocolate loaf cake from Ebingers when I was in the Navy (sometimes I got to eat part of it). Joined the reserves at Floyd Bennet Field
to beat the draft then got called up when Korea started. Living in Rochester now.....boy! Brooklyn was the place to grow up!

Allan: 23rd Sep 2008 - 02:27 GMT

Found this site, and these posts are fascinating. PS 167 brings back memories. Graduated in 1959. Sorry I hardly recall any of my teachers' names. Might remember if I heard them. I do recall my 8th grade home room teacher was a big guy who, on the 1st day asked the class, 'Who's the strongest kid here?' He then proceeded to easily whip the kid in an arm wrestle. Mr. Bernard, perhaps?

Lots of us post war babies on Union St. between Schenectidy and Utica. We were always playing punchball, stickball, Johnny-on-the-pony, off-the-wall, stoopball, or any other game. Milk out of the container on the street to quench a thirst. Nothing like a Spaulding. My grandparents were always at Dubrows and the Famous was a few stores away. I'm pretty sure my parents were married at the hall on Eastern Parkway and the east side of Utica Avenue. I don't recall the name of the place. One Memorial Day parade down Eastern P'way in the 1950s I watched President Eisenhower drive by in a convertible.

Here are some fellow students whose names I remember: Larry Kramer, Alan Portnoy, Judy Oshinsky, Annette Gardner, Melvin Shinegold, Arnold Messing. Any ring a bell?

Thanks for bringing back some memories.

Allan

Allan: 23rd Sep 2008 - 13:12 GMT

Richie,

I lived in the same building as Judy Oshinsky. I have a few photos of us back around '55-58. She had 2(I think) brothers. On the corner of Schenectidy and Union was a dry cleaner (Messing's) a drug store, a candy store(was that Pachman's?) where we bought fountain drinks, pretzels, balls, etc. Starting in the spring we were always outside playing something right near that corner, including off-the-wal and Johnny on the pony. We broke a few windows playing that game and often had to go to a roof to find a ball. Remember using wire hangers to pick balls out of the sewer? Yuck!
I think there were 2 young teachers at 167 who had a thing going (so we thought). The woman was a Miss Hines and the man Mr. Ford? I probably have the names all screwed up. Our graduation song was Johnny Horton's, 'Battle of New Orlean's'.

I attended Wingate for 2 years. While there a guy from one of the gangs (Chaplans and Pigtown) was stabbed with a fork in the morning and by afternoon the school was surrounded with police cars. Wingate played Boys High for the City Championships in the old Madison Square Graden. I think that was the last high school game played there because of the near riot that ensued. Then I moved and attended Erasmus Hall, graduating in '63. Haven't been back to Crown Height since the summer of '61.

The name Mr. Lipshitz seems to sound familiar. Don't recall the names of the store across from 167 but there were fish, meat, appetizing, woolworth's, a bakery, and other stores there. I remember the bakery n Utica, near the side entrance of Dubrow's where we'd get Charlotte Rooshes(sp) that were great. Some memories are just flashed. Been awhile.

Allan

Stan: 23rd Sep 2008 - 15:23 GMT

If it's the same Mr. Lipshitz (he changed his name to Mr. Allen)and was a science teacher at 167

rick: 23rd Sep 2008 - 15:43 GMT

Scott, I remember seeing Zsa Zsa Gabor at Radin's deli several times. My Mom said she would stop there after shopping at Loehmann's on Bedford Ave. I think deli preference was, mostly, a matter of geography. I usually went to Ben & Sol because it was closer to PS 241 and where I lived on Washington Ave. (Although, on my way home from Hebrew school I often stopped at Radin's for a knish.) Radin's proximity to Loehmann's may have influenced Zsa Zsa's preference.

RICHIE RUBIN: 24th Sep 2008 - 13:37 GMT

ALLAN,MR.LITMAN WAS MS HINES`BEAU',& JUDY OSHINSKY LIVES
IN MIAMI AREA,HER BROTHER,ALAN DIED 20+ YRS AGO!I ALSO
KNEW JOEL BERCY,ALFRED/LOUELLA BROWN THE`SUPERS'KIDS &
MANY MORE FROM YOUR BLOCK[JONI BORRUSSO WAS MY `DATE'
BACK THEN..& WE'D GO TO CONGRESS THEATER ON UTICA AVE.
FOR SAT.MATINEES[FREE POPCORN!]BUT ST.JOHNS PL.POOLROOM
WAS MY REAL`HANGOUT'MR.ALLEN @ P.S.167 WAS A SCIENCE
TEACHER..& FARTED ALL THE TIME!.WOOLWORTHS WAS ON
UTICA AVE.AS WAS SAM ASH MUSIC,& THERE WAS A GOOD
DELI ON UTICA/PRESIDENT ST.NEXT TO AN APPETIZING &
PIZZA JOINT ON CORNER..WHAT A TERRIF.`HOOD IT WAS
BACK THEN!.REMEMBER.10cent WHITE CASTLE BURGERS DOWN
ON EMPIRE BLVD & UTICA?& YORK DINER?..RICHIE RUBIN

RICHIE RUBIN: 24th Sep 2008 - 13:56 GMT

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE CONGRESS THEATER?
ST.JOHNS PL.& BUFFALO AVE8..POPCORN MACHINE
GAVE OUT [FREE]POPCORN JUST BY`KICKING'IT!
WE'D BRING OUR OWN BAGS![IT WAS NEXT TO THE
UNITY HOSP.]..RICHIE RUBIN

Allan: 24th Sep 2008 - 19:01 GMT

Richie,

What year did you graduate from 167? Me - 59. Judy also had another brother I think. We lived in same apartment house and same floor. I think I recognize the name Joel Bercy. Right about Mr. Litman. I couldn't think of his name. I used to go to the Congress with my brother and dad as well as the Utica, the Savoy(?), Loew's Pitkin and another one. Great Saturday matinees. Also went to Lincoln Terrace Park. I remember watching Roger Brown(Wingate), Connie Hawkins(Boys High), Lew Alcinder(mind fart), Billy Cunningham(Erasmus) and others at the basketball courts in pick-up games. The pizza on the corner of Utica and Union was great. So was the deli on Utica near President St. and an appetizing store near Carroll. Did you ever go for Italian ices on New York Ave? I think it was near Montgomery St. White Castle on Empire Blvd. was great. Used to get a dozen or so before going fishing at Sheepshed Bay.
Did you know the twin boys that went to 167 and graduated in '59? Can't recall their names, Bernard and Zeke maybe? I can't recall the names of many others as well but I'd recognize names of people if I heard them.
Did you go to Wingate?

Well, thanks for sharing.

RICHIE RUBIN: 25th Sep 2008 - 14:04 GMT

I WENT TO TILDEN![MOST KIDS ON`OTHER SIDE'OF EASTERN PKWY
WENT TO H.S.OTHER THAN WINGATE,IN FACT WINGATE WASN'T EVEN FINISHED WHEN I GRADUATED IN `58,NOT`59!ERGO,WE
HAD MANY OTHER F-A-R-AWAY CHOICES! I SAW JUDY`O'A FEW
YRS AGO IN MIAMI,SHE'S STILL A`CUTIE'& THE CARROLL
THEATER IS WHERE I SAW`PSYCHO'IN 1960![CAROLE COHEN
WAS MY`DATE']SHE LIVED ON EASTERN PKWY NR UTICA AVE.
& KNEW MOST OF THE KIDS ON YOUR BLOCK!I ALSO`DATED'
JOANIE BORUSSO.SHE LIVED IN COR.OF UNION/SKIN-NECK-
TITTY'[AS WE USTA JOKINGLY CALL IT]I NOW LIVE IN
BESERK-LY CAL.[HAVE SINCE`69]& GO BACK ANNUALLY,
EVEN VISIT OLD`HOOD',WHAT A CHANGE!.RICHIE RUBIN

Doc S.......: 26th Sep 2008 - 16:33 GMT

...I graduated from P.S. 241 in 1958 - lived on Union Street (1060) between Franklin and Bedford. I vividly remember Ben & Sol's, and Radin's delicatessens - I ate at both. The Pharmacist at the drug store next to Radin's was my Uncle. Fondest memories?- the hill behind the Brooklin Museum where we used to go sledding when it snowed, The grinding, whirring noise of the old trolley cars up and down Franklin Ave. Watching the Brooklin Dodger games at Ebbets Field from atop the roofs of the apartment houses on Crown and Montgomery Streets on a hot summer nite - all the neighbors out with their lawn chairs and refreshments and a radio and binoculars - Miss Harris, Miss Kenny, so much else...............

Doc

Doc S.......: 26th Sep 2008 - 17:04 GMT

Sorry, I had a Senior Moment - I graduated P.S.241 in 1954 - I went to Erasmus and graduated from there in 1958!! Sorry -
Doc

Allan: 29th Sep 2008 - 11:54 GMT

I seem to recognize the name Carole Cohen. Just a blur. I think the last time I saw Judy O was about 1959 and I'm sure I wouldn't recognize her today. I seem to recall she had a friend who lived above Eastern Parkway and near Utica. Think her name was Roni Blitzstein(?).

Anyone know the name of the candy store off the corner on Schenectidy and Union?

Allan

RICHIE RUBIN: 30th Sep 2008 - 00:30 GMT

PACHMAN'S CANDYSTORE..A BLOCK FROM LIBRARY ON
EASTERN PKWY..REMEMBER?MMM,A MALTED & L-O-N-G
PRETZEL WOULD WAKE US ALL UP..NO? or A KNISH
FROM ANY DELI,or FREE SELTZER @ DUBROW's BLENDE
W/MAPLE SYRUP & THOSE tiny[FREE]GLASS CONTAINERS
of HEAVY CREAM,ERGO,A FREE[MAPLE]`EGG-CREAM'.AAH!
B'KLYN HAD SO MANY GOOD MEMORIES.NO?.RICH.RUBIN

BOB: 30th Sep 2008 - 20:56 GMT

The congress theater as of a few years ago
is completely unused last of the occupants
out of business.The Rivera on St. Johns and
Kingston was demolished. Cameo on Eastern Pkwy
is being used as a church. Utica is now a market.
Savoy on Bedford Ave is a church. lincoln theater
across from Savoy was a gas station. I guess the
era of the theaters has passed, although it was a
wonderful part of growing up.

Janet: 30th Sep 2008 - 23:27 GMT

Well, the adage 'the more things change the more they stay the same' does not apply to the old neighborhoods or the old movie houses where those of our generation got a colorful taste so much of the world--history romanticized but very palatably dished up, geography, and politics. The Congress had a long lobby and a balcony, and seemed much classier than our Utica Theatre (it had none). On winter nights, we needed to take the St. John's bus home to either Schenectady or Troy (a nickel--but who had a spare nickel after the candy binge?). The colder the night the fewer the buses. Congress was right next to the Unity Hospital that had a poor reputation, and just around the corner of Buffalo upstairs was our dentist (if novicaine was around in those days, he never heard of it! The Utica was our own movie house--simple but friendly. 12 cents got you in for a day's entertainment until you were evicted at 6 by the matron (sometimes I couldn't get the 12 cents together; sometimes we hid until the manager himself kicked us out--something about our parents wanting us home for dinner). Saturdays were best. Adventures took us by bus to the grander Savoy, where St. John's Place met Bedford Avenue: alien territory. Anyone go to movies in downtown Brooklyn? All the way by bus or IRT (Utica and Schenectady station) to Hoyt Street or Nevins: The Brooklyn Fox (sumptuous, gorgeous--like a European opera house!)--showed Warner Bros. movies; the Paramount that wound round the corner near the Brooklyn Academy of Music; the RKO Albee, not far from Martin's Dept. Store--showed RKO and 20th Century Fox movies? Then another movie house a block or two after Abraham & Strauss (probably showed MGM--though I remember seeing "Night and Day" there . . .

Stan: 1st Oct 2008 - 05:03 GMT

That other movie house was the Strand. At one time it had live acts along with the movie (vaudeville I guess). I remember my father taking me there to see a magician who supposedly sawed a woman in half. I know it was an illusion but to a 7 year old kid it was unbelievable.

Janet: 1st Oct 2008 - 16:29 GMT

Thanks Stan for the Strand reminder--but wasn't the Strand on Fulton Street, just before the downtown movie and shopping district began? If you emerged from the subway, you were just about in front of the Fox, and to the right at an angle was Fulton. I think I remember the Strand marquee. The movie Theatre I'm thinking of might have been Loews' Metropolitan.

BOB: 1st Oct 2008 - 19:01 GMT

The Strand was indeed on Fulton st. next to the
Majestic theater. Am told both were taken over
by the Academy of Music. Not sure of the plans
for the structure.

Bosley: 2nd Oct 2008 - 13:14 GMT

Don't forget the "Patio"movie theater, on Flatbush Avenue, across from the 711 Chinese restaurants. I think it belonged to the "Century" chain. Before the Patio apartments were built on the site, I loved to walk thru the gardens in the actual patio, & check out the gold fish pool.

BOB: 3rd Oct 2008 - 02:36 GMT

Ah yes. the"Patio" and elegant movie theater.
If i am correct as it's been a long time, the
lobby had a fountain with a pool below. I think
it was the flagship theater of the "Century" chain.

mitch: 5th Oct 2008 - 13:57 GMT

Hey Doc ... funny thing about the drug store next to Radin's. Your uncle must have sold that drug store to my father and uncle (around '54?). I was born in '52 and we lived on Carol St near Franklin. My father and uncle rebuilt the drugstore into a more modern (for the time) style drug store. I remember the soda fountain until they tore it out. I also remember my father keeping the old Sunbeam blender for making malteds. They changed the name to Maiman's Pharmacy. I ate at Radin's and Ben&Sol's (probably more at Radin's). I had a preference for B&S but both were good.

Jack: 9th Oct 2008 - 18:10 GMT

Wonderful memories,but not one person has mentioned the best thing about growing up in Brooklyn.
Ya ready:
The CHARLOTTE RUSSE in the glass case.
vanilla or chocolate

Bob: 10th Oct 2008 - 06:37 GMT

Right on Jack, remember them well.
Had a store that sold them on Nostrand Ave and
Lincoln Place across from my families gift shop.
A little cake, sweet whipped cream and a cherry.
And chocolate sprinkles if you wanted them.

Doc S.......: 12th Oct 2008 - 02:42 GMT

Yo, Mitch - I don't think my uncle owned the store - he was just employed there as a pharmacist. Did you go to 241 also??I'm trying to remember some of the other stores in the area - Rae's Luncheonette opposite Ben & Sol's, the Circus-Box toy store between Union and President streets, Chaimowitz's candy store on the same block as Radin's and the pharmacy, Giesser's candy store on Carol and Franklin(or was it Crown and Franklin?), there was also a butcher shop and a grocery store on the west side of Franklin Avenue between Union and President Streets. The delivery "boy" used to ride around to all the apartment houses and deliver grocery orders on a big tricycle with a large box on the front of it - the "boy" was about 50 years old!!!! -

Doc S.......: 12th Oct 2008 - 02:48 GMT

Yo, Jack - I NEVER had a Charlotte Russe, but I had plenty of "egg - creams". Remember them??? And what were those now seemingly awful concoctions made of? Do you remember?
Doc

Bob: 13th Oct 2008 - 03:45 GMT

Egg creams were whole milk, seltzer and Fox's U-bet
chocolate syrup. Always made in a small coke glass.
A real Brooklyn treat.

rick: 14th Oct 2008 - 14:27 GMT

Hey, Doc - the grocery store was the Big Apple, there was also a candy store on Carroll St, around the corner from Klein's, the drugstore, where I, and seemingly, every other guy in the neighborhood, was a delivery boy, Normandie Bakery on Franklin (Charlotte Russe & black & white cookie heaven) the appetizing store (next to Big Apple) for pickles, etc. and Circle Sporting Goods (originally between Carroll and President on west side of Franklin and then next to Barracini candy on w/s of Franklin between Union & Eastern Pkway). I was a 241 grad in '57 and lived at 881 Wash (corner of Carroll St.)

Doc S.......: 15th Oct 2008 - 05:02 GMT

Yo, Rick - What a memory!! I think I got my first baseball glove at "Circle". The "other" store for upscale chocolates was Barton's, on the north side of Eastern Parkway and Franklin Ave., if my memory serves me correctly.

rick: 15th Oct 2008 - 14:27 GMT

Doc - I think we all got our first basebal gloves and all of our sneakers at Circle ("Spaldeens" too, as I recall). Yes, your memory serves - Barton's was, indeed, across Franklin. Also, on he corner of Union & Franklin was REO cleaners and up the block, towards EP was the Garcia y Vega candy store (was that Chaimowitz? We never called it that.). Do you recall Mr. Giesser (it was Carroll & Franklin, across from Klein's), occasionally, sneaking up behind you and rubbing a cold, wet finger across the back of your neck? Ah, memories....

Doc S.......: 17th Oct 2008 - 03:56 GMT

...Rick, it seems Mr. Giesser liked you more than me (LOL)!I don't remember him doing that. I also remember a bakery, I think it was called "Lucullus", or something like that, on Franklin, between EP and Lincoln Place. Their stuff was great but it seemed that every other week the employees were on strike for something-or-other.

Doc S.......: 18th Oct 2008 - 04:08 GMT

....come to think of it, we DID call the Garcia y Vega candy store Chaimowitz's - that was the owners name - nice old guy and his wife ran the place.

mitch: 18th Oct 2008 - 16:53 GMT

Hey Doc ...
I lived on Caroll St about a 1/2 block from Franklin. I went to to 241 but we moved while I was still in elementary school. I remember the candy store/soda fountain at the corner of Caroll & Franklin. Went there many times. I have two cousins who lived in the same building as me. They were older and both graduated 241 then eventually Erasmus. There was a candy store a couple of doors down from Radins. There was also a Barracini chocolate store somewhere along Franklin too. For whatever reason, I don't remember too much time spent North of Eastern Parkway. I worked in the neighborhood well into the '60's (even after we moved) in my father's store (Maiman's on Franklin & Eastern Pkwy). It still there.

By the way, if you want an interesting trip, go to Google Maps and look up the intersection of Franklin & Eastern Pkwy. Then, turn on Street view and double-click the little "man." You can see the neighborhood as it looks today. Browse up and down the blocks.

Janet: 18th Oct 2008 - 17:52 GMT

The luncheonette on the corner of Lincoln Place and Schenectady Avenue sold charlotte russes at the window--all fluffy whipped cream and a cherry over sponge cake (half as much cake as one expected because of the concealed raised cardboard insert--but who cared? It was the whipped cream we were after). Always a treat when Mr. Silverstein's candy store on St. John's Place got them finally--didn't have to walk to Schenectady.

rick: 21st Oct 2008 - 14:27 GMT

Doc - I do remember Lucullus and I also remember Ebingers (very fondly)on Washington on the north side of EP, near the Bell movie theater. The teachers that I had and remember, starting in kindergarten with Miss Kingman (who got married later and I can't recall her married name), Miss Reill, Mrs. Wren, Mr. Garone, Miss Harris and Miss Kenny. Mr. Kaplan was the gm & hgiene teacher and the principals were Elsie R. Kane and Frieda Shprentz. I am still in contact with many of the neighborhood/schoolyard people I grew up with.

Bob: 21st Oct 2008 - 18:20 GMT

Doc & Rick,
The PS 241 teachers from the '40's era that I remember were Mrs. Olsen in K; Mrs. Delaney in the lower grades; Ms. Sturzer - who tried to make students cry; Mrs. Sakheim, who's son Bob attended 241; Ms. Kenney who had the OP (i.e. "special) class; Ms. Sullivan; Mr. Gandley - an ex marine fighter pilot who was gym & science teacher. I can't seem to remember the boy's Shop teacher's name.
Also, some of the PS 241 guys belonged to Cub Scout & Boy Scout Troop 142 that met across the street in Girl's Commercial HS & had some meetings in a basement room at 12 Crown St.

Doc S.......: 22nd Oct 2008 - 02:12 GMT

Rick& Bob - I Believe that Miss Kingman's married name was Mrs. Merino. The shop teacher was Mr.Broder. My teachers were Mrs. Martell, Mrs. Schachner, Ms. Touster, Mrs. Sullivan, Ms. Smith, Mrs.Rietz/Mrs. Monahan (2 teachers in 6th grade), Mrs. Frost (Founder of the John Birch Society - or so it seemed) Mr. Chernow. Miss Harris, Miss Kenny, Miss Stuart,Mr. Slotkoff (art teacher), Mr. Hemachandra (Music), Ms. Crosson (Music), Mr. Kaplan, Mr. Ganley. In addition to Kane and Shprentz I remember an assistant principal named Mr. Frank, who reminded me of W.C. Fields. He was later replaced by Mr.Murray Rosten.

Rich: 23rd Oct 2008 - 23:10 GMT

Hi Everybody,
I lived at 1003 Carroll ST between Franklin and Bedford from 1957 til 1969, we then moved to 1048 President St which was directly behind the first address. Needless to say, for all of my formative years I lived in this wonderful community. Although I was young, I can remember most of it's original slendor, Ebett's Field, (my father said, when there was a game, the nearest parking space he could find would be at Nostrand and St. Johns) the electric buses on Franklin Ave. when it was a two way street. I would always look for the sparks that the connectors made especially at the intersections where the bus lines crossed, it was the closest thing to fireworks to me. The beautiful old style street lights, the all girls' schools, the senior citizens that would sit in front of their apartment buildings with their beach chairs on those warm summer evenings. Trick or treating on Halloween going to all of the apartment buildings just on my block you came home loaded. I'm a 1965 graduate of P.S.241, Mr. Becker was the principal after Mrs. Shprentz retired. My teachers were: Mrs. Hoffman K, Mrs. Sakheim 1st, Mrs. Moyeles 2nd, (a tough old bird) Mrs. Deuitch 3rd, (her and Moyeles were buddies) Mrs. Sullivan 4th, Mrs. Richter 5th and 6th grades. I was a Boy Scout of troop 560 and my brother was a Cub Scout, we met in Prospect Heights H.S. in the third floor gym, while 142 met in the gym below us, Mr. Drucker was our leader. Here's something to think about, in the three blocks from the train station on Eastern Pkwy down the hill to Carroll St.(everything was on a hill in this neighborhood) there were: three lunchonettes, two delis, two drug stores, two bakeries, two pizza shops, two butchers, two egg cream, malted milk, newspaper and candy stores, (my first job was in the one on Franklin Ave. between Eastern Pkwy and Union St.) two professional candy manufactuers, a sporting goods store, (Triangles) a barber shop, a dry cleaner,(Reo's) a laundry mat, a chinese hand laundry, (they used to wrap your shirts in that brown paper and tie it with sting) Sonny's Fish, Fruit and Veggie Market, at least three small mom and pop grocery stores and if I'm remembering correctly four or five apartment buildings. I know I'm forgeting some places, but, I challenge anyone to find this combination in a single community, because you won't find it in a three block radius. I didn't have to mention the parks, museum, library, Eastern Pkwy with it's relaxing effect amongst all of the traffic and the short easy commute to downtown, A&S, Korvettes, McCory's, Mays, Martin's, Chock Full O'Nuts, Bickford's, Nedick's. Well, I hope I've awakened some of your old memories of a wonderful time and place, I plan on going back for a look-see in the near future. Peace and Blessings

Stan: 24th Oct 2008 - 15:27 GMT

Nothing was ever as good as a Nedick's orange drink. Anybody know the mix to make this again? I'll trade the lyrics to their old jingle for the recipe.

Doc S.......: 25th Oct 2008 - 04:14 GMT

Stan...Don't remember exactly how the lyrics went....but.....
......"a cold,delicious glass of Nedick's tasty orange drink...
.......its cool refreshing flavor you'll adore (tell me more)
what'll it cost, little Nick?
only a nickel, Mr. Quick......(etc. etc. I don't remember)
so for vigor and vim and zip, it's a pleasure to take a sip
of a cold Nedicks orange drink!" (Close???)

Bob: 25th Oct 2008 - 06:03 GMT

Nedick's is alive and well in Manhattan, ran into
one a few years back on the LIRR level at Penn Sta.
Same orange drink, but a wider variety of franks.A
few changes but still pretty good.

Stan: 25th Oct 2008 - 13:53 GMT

Here goes Doc:

"My name is little Nick so mister let me be precise, you’re out of step, you need some pep, so here is my advice.

What does it take little Nick?

Only a minute Mr. Quick

You stop in at the nearest Nedicks store. You buy a cold delicious glass of Nedicks orange drink. It’s cool refreshing flavor you’ll adore.

Tell me more.

What does it cost little Nick.?

Only a nickel Mister Quick, a glass will help you feeling in the pink.
For vigor and vim and vip its a pleasure to take a sip of a cool Nedicks orange drink.

Nedicks, try one, Nedicks"

Wish I could try one now!

Arnie Blume: 25th Oct 2008 - 20:05 GMT

Hey Bob,Dick& Rick,
I can't believe you can't recall the shop teacher from 241, Mr.Israel Broder. don't you remember shouting Mr.Broder's coming and everyone else would yell "Izzy ?".I lived in 35 Crown opposite 12 Crown where Karl Gregor was super.Graduated 241 in 1951 and Erasmus in 1955. I am at arnbarb37@aol.com

Arnie Blume: 25th Oct 2008 - 20:12 GMT

Hi 241ers,
I saw the name Irene Glassberg earlier. If you are out there Irene I lived on the 5th floor at 35 Crown and Barbara Barrett who babysat you is my wife of 52 years. You later babysat my brother Marty. If Blume doesn't ring a bell it used to Blumenkrantz.
Would like to hear from any other 241ers from 1943-1951. arnbarb37@aol.com

K Bernstein: 28th Oct 2008 - 21:42 GMT

Hi--

Judy Oshinsky must have made an impression on many of us. She and I were both in the same class (the IGC) at PS 167 in 1958-59. The class was half fifth-grade (that's me) and sixth-grade (Judy). One of the fellows in my year had a major crush on Judy and we all got a kick out of it. Our teacher was Mrs. Bono that year, who then went on to become Assistant Principal.

I lived at 954 Eastern Parkway over a Kosher deli with a large indigo-colored sign. I attended PS 167 from 1952-59. My family left crown heights in 1959 and I left PS 167 after the sixth grade.

I have an older cousin who graduated from PS 167 in about 1956. He used to refer to Mr. Allen as "Maxie Allen Lipshitz."

To Richie Rubin--I'm Tilden '64.

Someone mentioned Charolotte Russes--I loved them as a kid!

Keith Bernstein: 29th Oct 2008 - 10:32 GMT

What memories these posts conjure up!

Although I can't remember exactly what Judy O looked like, I do remember her as tall and pretty and all of the boys in the class thought so. I'm glad she is still well and living in Florida. Leonard Blum was the boy with the crush on her.

I remember a summer fair held in the PS 167 school yard that was run by one of the church schools; I won a plate pitching pennies once.

My friend's mother (his name was Saul Steinwise) worked at the Normandie Bake Shop on Utica Avenue. Charlottes and great cookies! Saul and I and our friends who all lived near the corner of Troy and EP used to play stoop ball, usually using the stoop at 958 EP. We also played punchball in the courtyards behind the buildings on that block.

I used to love to go to the movies as a kid. My first one was "It Came From Outer Space" at the Utica in 1953. I regularly went to the Carroll on Saturday afternoons. I remember the Congress; it was very impressive (I saw "Oklahoma" there), and my friends and I saw the original "Godzilla" at the Cameo, probably in 1957.

Someone mentioned "Honey's", which was on the corner of Albany and EP (I think) for school supplies; that was in the days of shopping at neighborhood stores.

To Steve Mars--I remember your father although I never had him for a teacher. He was the football coach and the team was alternatively called the "Blue Devils" and "Marsmen" in "Tilden Topics," the school newspaper. I hope they rename the field in his honor. I'm sure that you know that Tilden is being closed and is being replaced by several smaller schools that will share the building; too bad.

Those were great times to be a kid in Crown Heights. Unfortunately I lost contact with everyone I knew from those days. This board is developing into a fine resource for us.

Janet: 29th Oct 2008 - 12:56 GMT

Before Honey's moved to Eastern Parkway, the store was on St. John's very near the corner of Troy, right next to a little Jewish tailor who worked at the window on his Singer. Once inside the tailor's shop you could always smell the steam from the pressing machine. Honey sold all the lovely and simple school supplies we stocked up at the beginning of the school year: loose leaf paper, black and white mottled notebooks, pencils . . . At holiday time— Halloween or Thanksgiving—Honey’s window was decorated with paper pumpkins, witches, turkeys, pilgrim hats.

Stan: 29th Oct 2008 - 20:07 GMT

Janet

Whe Honey's was on St. Johns Place they were near Friedman's department store. Was there a bank there also?

Alan Kupperberg: 29th Oct 2008 - 20:53 GMT

Eastern Parkway Memories
By Alan Kupperberg

Searching the Internet for information on Dubrow’s Cafeteria and the Famous restaurant on Eastern Parkway at Utica Avenue, I discovered this wonderful site. It brought back many wonderful memories for me.

I’d like to share some of my memories. I cannot vouch for some of the spelling of the names of non-family members. Some of the following is family folklore that one may enjoy, if not exactly take as the Gospels. And my personal memories are not of a frozen moment in time, but an almost twenty year smear of people and places, circa 1955-1975, at which point the last of my relations had left the neighborhood. Establishments mentioned as being on the same block may or may not have co-existed at any one point in time.

I was born in May of 1953 and lived at 261 Buffalo Avenue at St. Johns Place. The view from our second floor kitchen window was of the Congress Delicatessen and the Congress Theater. The exquisite, delectable aroma from the delicatessen, the corned beef, the kishka were pure heaven. These aromas are vivid in my memory. As are the sight of frankfurters sizzling on a raised grill in the front window alongside a tub of hot sauerkraut. My mother ate a Romanian Steak at the Congress Delicatessen shortly before going into labor and bringing me forth at the Brooklyn Jewish Hospital shortly after 8pm.

A large portion of my family lived on or about Eastern Parkway, Buffalo Avenue, Lincoln Place and St. Johns Place.

The city no longer ran trolley cars on St. Johns Place but they had not taken up the tracks yet when I was a boy. Speaking of trolley lines, I do remember when they filled in the Church Avenue Trolley Tunnel that ran under Ocean Parkway.

I believe that the two apartment buildings on Buffalo Avenue, 261 and 273, between St. Johns Place and Lincoln Place were, if not built by, were at least owned by my grandmother Ann (Tockman) Kupperberg’s cousin, by the name of Feldman. He was the father of both bandleader Shep Fields and of Freddie Fields, who helped found the "Creative Management Associates" talent agency, with David Begelman in 1960, as well as being married to actress Polly Bergen.

My father’s father, Alfred Kupperberg was a licensed electrician who was a film cinematographer and projectionist in the New York film industry. I have his employee ID card for Studio One, “Paramount Famous Lasky Corporation.” I presume that meant the Astoria facility, now the Kaufman Studio. I have several snapshots of him on studio back lot streets, a Parisian alley, etc. I do not know if they were snapped in Queens or at the Warner Bros.-Vitaphone site on Avenue M in Brooklyn.

Allegedly, Alfred had filmed Al Jolson. I know that my father had several huge Vitaphone disks in the back of the hall closet as late as 1960. They were used before the film industry adopted “sound on film.”

We moved to West Virginia for a year in 1960 and, ironically, the disks did not survive the journey out of Brooklyn intact.

But my grandfather’s main occupation by the late 1920’s was as a motion picture projectionist.

Alfred Kupperberg died, circa 1930, in front of the Granada Theater on Church Avenue, west of Nostrand Avenue. Sitting in his car in front of the movie house, he seems to have passed out for some reason. Slumping forward, the steering wheel cut off his breathing and he strangled.

In the early 1930’s my Grandmother Ann Kupperberg and her sister Nettie Tockman leased a small space at 881 Eastern Parkway between Albany and Troy Avenues and opened The Netann Gift Shoppe. The enterprise also boasted a small “circulating” or lending library. The shop shared the building with “Murphy’s Shull,” so-called because a certain Mr. Murphy owned the building.

My Grandmother, Ann Kupperberg, was the cashier at the Stone Theater, on Stone Avenue, off Pitkin Avenue, in the late1930’s, early 1940’s. Though I think I saw my first motion pictures at the Loew’s Pitkin Theater (they had a television [!] in the foyer under the marquee, showing film shot of people passing in front of the theater. I’d stand there staring at the screen endlessly, hoping to catch a glimpse of myself. In vain, alas.), most of my movie going was at the Congress Theater. Only two film seen at the Congress stand out in my mind.

Almost every Sunday afternoon, my father, Sidney Kupperberg would accompany me or drop me off at his Aunt Nettie Tockman’s home for a “Nettie Chicken Dinner.” Or “Nettie Spaghetti” (stir a can of tomato sauce and a couple of whacked up slices of American cheese into the cooked pasta and you’re in business). On this particular Sunday, to kill time before we were due at Aunt Nettie, dad and I took in a matinee at the Congress Theater. The film was a cheap sci-fi effort, “Atomic Submarine” (1960).

The scenes on the alien spacecraft, marooned undersea for repairs, where some of the earthling good guys are, variously, trapped by and bifurcated in a closing iris portal and fried to a crisp by an alien heat ray were horrifying enough to a six year old. But when the hero shoots the giant, tentacled alien in its single eyeball, and the eyeball melts --! Good night nurse! That scared the bejeebers out of me.

Another time, my mother’s younger brother, David Kaye and his friend Normie Klein took me to see “The Three World’s of Gulliver” (1960) at the Congress. David and Normie were aspiring juvenile delinquents, replete with a pack of Marlboro flip-tops rolled up in their T-shirt sleeves. Naturally they had to sit in the balcony and smoke. Being afraid of heights, I immediately began carrying on. And when Lemuel Gulliver is confronted by and forced to fight a giant reptile, I really lost it, causing a commotion that resulted in our ejection from the theater.

Between the Congress Theater and Buffalo Avenue were Charlotte’s Luncheonette, the Eclipse Sleep Products store and a pizza place.

Uncle David lived next door on the ground floor-back, at 273 Buffalo Ave with my Grandmother Rose (Handshuh, Blumenfeld, Klonsky) Kaye, my mother Lottie’s mom.

The next apartment contained my father’s mother Ann Kupperberg and her mother-in-law, my great grandmother, Bubby (Becky Kupperberg).

In the next apartment over, dwelled my father’s sister Phyllis and her husband Mitzi (Milton) Markowitz, and their (then) two children, Kenny and Bobby. Mitzi’s parents, Dora and Marcel Markowitz lived on Lincoln Place between Buffalo and Ralph.

My Aunt Nettie lived in the next building on Buffalo, a two family brick affair, on the other side of Lincoln Place. A Mrs. Block owned this building. The first floor was occupied by a dentist’s office and by my maiden Aunt Nettie. My aunt had to share her bathroom and stove and sink with the dentist (and his patients), when he had office hours. Ugh.

Mrs. Block’s was one of a pair of attached two family dwellings. Normie Klein’s family occupied the other one. His mother’s name was Rae Klein.

The next building over was (and still is) a free standing structure that was (and is not now), a shull and a catering facility wherein my parents were married in 1951. They met at a meeting of the Lincoln Terrace Camera Club. Meetings convened in a basement on East 95 Street between East New York Avenue and Rutland Road, below Lincoln Terrace Park.

There was also a shull across the street from that facility on Buffalo and Lincoln Place, but we called that one “Bubby’s Shull” for the obvious reason; that’s where Bubby attended, when she attended.

The next building over was 1291 Eastern Parkway. On the Buffalo Avenue side, the stores in that building fronted more than half of that block. The first one was a grocer, followed by a butcher, followed by a fruit and vegetable concern run by man named Sam and then a shoe repair shop.

At the corner of Buffalo and Eastern Parkway was a luncheonette/candy store run by the August brothers. My father was a friend of the August brothers. I don’t think that they were still the owners by the time I was a child.

In that building, 1291 Eastern Parkway or the next one east, lived my father’s Aunt Syd (Sadie Langsam) Kupperberg and his cousin Frances. Hymie Kupperberg widowed Syd in the forties. Syd later married Rabbi Nathan Zuber of Elizabeth, New Jersey. The last that I heard, Frances and her husband Alan Krebs were operating a bagel store in Edison, New Jersey.

My father told me that when he was a delivery boy for a tailor shop during 1930’s, he had occasion to make a delivery to the apartment of the Dolly Sisters, who lived on Eastern Parkway between Buffalo and Ralph Avenues, I believe.

Somewhere on the same block, my Aunt Nettie had, for a time, taken a room in the apartment of the mother of my father’s friend Morton Greene (Greenberg).

On the northwest corner of Buffalo and Eastern Parkway, my father’s Aunt Florence (Fanny Kupperberg) Jacobson lived with her husband Al Jacobson, a motion picture projectionist. Her film projectionist brother, Alfred Kupperberg, had introduced Florence and Al to each other.

Was there a shortage of given names in 1900? My Bubby Kupperberg’s children were named Al, Hymie, Anna, Sadie (Shirley) and Fanny (Florence). Al married Anna Tockman. Hymie married Sadie Langsam. And Fanny married Al Jacobson. Only Shirley who married Ralph Heyman and her sister Anna Kupperberg broke the sibling name-circle, marrying Edward Popkin. Anna and her son Arthur Popkin owned the Pontiac dealership in Rockville Centre Long Island on the Sunrise Highway.

Midway on that block, between Buffalo and Rochester Avenues there was a small shull where my Aunt Phyllis and Uncle Mitzi were married. The exterior of that shull is featured in the 1968 Sidney Lumet film, “Bye Bye Braverman,” starring George Segal.

This film is a MUST SEE for all of those with fond memories of Eastern Parkway and of Brooklyn in general. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear to be in any sort of release, currently.

On the corner of Rochester Avenue at 1209 Eastern Parkway was a luncheonette/candy store run by a Harry and Flo. They later ran another luncheonette/candy store in East Flatbush on Remsen Avenue and Avenue B.

My grandmother Rose Kaye was a member of the temple at Rochester and Lincoln Place, at least long enough to get my Uncle David Bar-Mitzvahed when I was five, circa 1958. She sewed costumes for the temple shows.

I remember a luncheonette/candy store on the corner of St. Johns Place and Rochester Avenue. I recall it as a rather dim, dank place, but I remember my mother buying Charm Pops for me there.

Coming around the block, on St. Johns back towards Buffalo, I believe there were several stores, including a (kid’s?) shoe store. Then, most of a block consisting of smaller, multi-family dwellings. In one of those, closer to Buffalo Avenue across St. Johns Place from Unity Hospital, were the offices of a Doctor Gerstenhaber where I received diathermy treatments.

In 1957, I lost a game of chicken with the huge iron front door at 261 Buffalo Avenue and severed my left thumb. My mother rushed me across the street to the Unity Hospital, where I underwent successful reattachment surgery. I can recall the visit to the office of the Portuguese surgeon, Dr. Mariaskin’s office on Eastern Parkway, up near the Brooklyn Museum, to have the cast and stitches removed. Looking at the result of his handiwork (!) he tsk-tsked and declared, “the child will never be able to bend this thumb.” At which point, my mother recalls, I promptly bent it. And I still can. The diathermy treatments were a follow up.

My pediatrician was named Dr. Gittelman and he had his offices on Eastern Parkway near Kingston Avenue. My mother reports that he was a short gentleman who bore a resemblance to Irving Berlin.

In any case, a bit beyond the Dr. Gerstenhaber’s office commenced another row of stores fronting St. Johns Place in the apartment building at 260 Buffalo Ave. Among these were a Laundromat and a Chinese restaurant, with the Congress Delicatessen on the corner.

The Congress Deli had a large metal neon sign hanging from brackets out from the building’s façade, at the corner. I remember that during the hurricane of September 1959, the wind sent the crazily swaying sign crashing to the street. The sign went back up after the storm. But, to this day, one can still see the anchor brackets in the façade that once held the Congress Delicatessen neon sign.

Around the corner, on Buffalo between St. Johns and Lincoln Places, there was one store, beyond the Deli. In the early fifties it had been a fruit and vegetable store that was taken over by my mother’s Uncle, Herbie Handshuh and his friend Izzy Berman and transformed into a commission bakery (no baking done on the premises). Later, it was taken over and run by my parent’s friends, Phyllis and Max Schindler. They have a son, Mitchell.

Later, Herbie Handshuh worked at the Sears Roebuck store on Flatbush Avenue selling Kenmore washing machines in the basement. It was through Uncle Herbie, by way of his employee’s discount that I purchased my first drafting table. Herbie was married to a nice woman named Hilda and they had a beautiful daughter, Mara. Mara was struck and killed by a car while bicycling. They’re all gone now.

Crossing Buffalo Avenue, we’re back at my building, 261, the “Buffalo Terrace.” Below our apartment, on the corner was the Sun Ray Cut Rate Store, a pharmacy. The next store on St. Johns Place was, in many ways, the heart of the neighborhood. “Flemmys” Candy Store. Mr. and Mrs. Flamenhoff ran it. Mr. Flemmy was a fairly squat, sturdy character. Irascible and speaking with a vague European or Yiddish inflection, I found him to be a veritable fountain of non-sequitors.

Proffering my nickel for a cookie from the glass case atop the front counter (perhaps a Mallomar or a pair of shortbread wafers with a Joyva-type jelly in between and chocolate jimmies around the jellied perimeter?), Mr. Flemmy might admonish me to, “go home and shoot your brother!” Or to my four-year old self, on a Sunday morning in August, he might bark, “why aren’t you in school?”

My father relayed the story that Flemmy told of his days in France as a doughboy during the First World War. In this instance, Flemmy had made it to a delousing station behind the lines and been given a fresh, clean uniform and puttees. Having divested himself of his vonce-ridden uniform and holding it at the end of a stick at arms length, Flemmy was approached by a ragged Frenchman, a beggar to whom Flemmy offered his worn, infested uniform. The grateful Frenchman cried, “Merci, merci!” Referring to the lice, Flemmy replied, “They didn’t have mercy on me, they wouldn’t have mercy on you!”

Flemmy’s son was Fred Flamenhoff, and he became a very successful producer for NBC News, up through the 1980’s.

My father and Fred were friends when they were growing up. One of my favorite Flemmy Fables occurred during forties. Fred and Dad, with several other friends were lazing in front of the candy store. Freddy was reclining on a folding chaise lounge, snoozing in the sun. Mr. Flemmy walked out of the store where he’d been hard at work, to catch a breath of air. He stood there in his apron for a moment and balefully regarded his son’s recumbent figure. Finally, in that Yiddish accent, he thundered, “So, you on a rampage again, you bastard?”

Mrs. Flemmy was taller, non-accented and a nice grandma-type woman that I could relate to. Or at least I could understand her. Her malteds were ambrosia and she made the best chocolate egg creams, you bet (!). A two-cents plain still cost two cents back then. A fountain Coke was a nickel.

The counter and fountain were on the left hand side of the narrow store. My father could buy loose Camel cigarettes from Flemmy for two cents apiece. Along most of the back wall was an enormous candy showcase, at least four feet high with shelving above it with other merchandise. I seem to remember huge sliding glass panels on the candy case. But you had all your packaged brand candies in there, like your Bonomos Turkish Taffy (yum) and your Nik-L-Nips, as well as loose penny candy items such as Pixie Stix and button candy, on paper strips (yuck).

But it was along the right hand side of Flemmys Candy Store that I discovered my life’s passion and my life’s work. There were two, to maybe four small tables with seating for customers. On one of the rear tables, Flemmy had a stack of comic books for sale. At this remove, I don’t recall if they were current issues or second-hand, but I believe they were all new.

Whatever is the case, that’s where I bought my first comic book. An issue of Popeye the Sailor, published by Gold Key. I was hooked. Today, almost fifty years later, I remain a working cartoonist/comic book artist/writer, having drawn, among many other titles, the Amazing Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk and Iron Man comic books for Marvel Comics and drawn the Howard the Duck syndicated comic strip running daily in the New York Post as well as (Little Orphan) Annie in the Daily News. (You may view some of my work at my web site: http:// alankupperberg.com as well as at: http://comicartcommissions.com/Kupperberg71.html)

Thank you Flemmy, for my career.

My comic book collecting (as opposed to reading) activities also began on St. Johns Place at Ralph Avenue, on the northwest corner, perhaps five years later. One or two narrow shops west of the candy store (naturally) on the corner, was a second hand bookstore run by a young fellow named Dave Solomon. I only discovered his last name in the seventies when I lived on Argyle Road between Church Avenue and Caton Avenue. Dave had moved his concern several times and had now set up shop on Argyle Road at Church Avenue. By then I was a professional artist and Dave was thrilled that an alumni of his establishment had “made it” into print.

The north side of St. Johns Place, between Buffalo Avenue and Ralph Avenue began with a linoleum store on the corner that sold Congoleum© brand floor coverings. Beyond this was a grocery store run by the two Dudtka Brothers. They would figure your total in pencil on the paper bag then load the bag with your groceries. I remember I could get discarded wooden Breakstone’s Cheese boxes from them to use as raw material for class projects once I began Kindergarten on September 9, 1959 at P.S. 191 on Park Place between Buffalo Avenue and Ralph Avenue. My Kindergarten teacher was a Miss Greenberg, who has, in my mind’s eye, morphed into a twin for Miss Francis on “Ding Dong School.”

Towards the middle of the block was Flo Karr’s Hardware Store. Her store had been next to Flemmys but she moved across St. Johns Place to larger accommodations. I think she had two storefronts combined. Later she moved the store to Seaview Avenue by Rockaway Parkway in deepest Canarsie. A dry cleaning establishment took the space next to Flemmys. Tannenbaum’s Bakery was next to a supermarket down the block past the hardware store. I don’t recall if it was part of a chain or an independent. I do recall a Key Foods market on Ralph Avenue, north of St. John’s place.

A neighborhood character from at least the late 1930’s through at least the late 1960’s was a fellow whom, behind his back, was called Crazy Eddie. To his face, he was Cap’n Eddie. When I was a child, I remember him shining shoes. He was mentally and/or emotionally handicapped, but a decent fellow, as I recall. The last time I remember seeing Eddie was in the very late 1960’s and we were living on East 89 Street between Avenue B and Ditmas Avenue by then. I was in the car with my father and we were stopped at the vast and busy intersection of Kings Highway, Remsen Avenue and Linden Blvd. And Eddie was standing in the middle of this traffic, hawking key chains or some such. My father rolled down his window, and called out, “Ahoy, Cap’n Eddie.” Eddie turned. One hand shot to his mouth, where he proceeded to bite his fist. His other hand, index finger extended, pointed at my father. And through his fist he cried out in recognition, “Sidney the Boffer!” My father laughed and gave Eddie a buck as the light changed and we drove on. I asked him why Eddie had called him “Sidney the Boffer?” My father replied, rather airily, “Oh, there was a rumor that I had been with a particular girl, way back. But that was a base canard.”

The building superintendent for both 261 and 273 Buffalo Avenue was a woman named Anna Yarmy and she had a front apartment in 273. She had a son Petey, who was a young police officer. He was shot in the head with his own service revolver. As I remember the story, he was parked in a car somewhere with his girlfriend. He was showing her the gun, letting her handle it and it went off. Petey survived, with a disability and stayed with the force working a desk job.

My great grandmother Bubby Kupperberg had a cousin, George Coyne (married to a lovely woman named Mae. I loved Mae and George). George ran a printing concern called Coyne Press and they had the contract to print the New York Bell Telephone Yellow Pages. George had a widowed sister with an epileptic daughter. They lived in relative seclusion in a darkened front apartment at 261 Buffalo Avenue.

When I asked my father why our street had what I considered to be a strange name, he replied that it was because a family of buffalo had taken up residence on the topmost floor of our apartment building. It took me quite a while to realize that I lived on the beginning (or end) of a string of avenues named for cities in New York State; Buffalo, Rochester, Utica, Schenectady, Troy, Albany, Kingston and (once upon an time an independent city) Brooklyn and finally New York Avenue.

On the other side of Eastern Parkway at just a bit east of Buffalo Avenue is a short street named Portal Street, where the IRT New Lots subway line veers south, out from under Eastern Parkway and emerges and becomes an elevated line, on the east side of the Lincoln Terrace Tennis Courts. This is separated from Lincoln Terrace Park proper by Buffalo Avenue. Watching the trains rumble out into the sunlight from this portal, at eye level on up into the air was always very exciting to me. I’ve been a subway “buff” all my life. I loved to stand in the first car, my face pressed up against the glass, as the train hurtled through the tunnels or along the elevated tracks in the sky.

I think that in the 1980’s several subway cars toppled over onto Portal Street.

We lived between two very fine shopping districts, Utica Avenue and Pitkin Avenue.

I loved the East New York Saving Bank at Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway, especially the raised, low-fenced enclosure in front of the bank. I assume that in an earlier day it had featured a bit of landscaping or greenery. But by the time I came along, it was a barren, dusty feature that, to my childish mind’s-eye resembled nothing so much as a boxing ring. At the Yule Tide I think it may have boasted a Christmas tree. In any case, I know now that it wasn’t the Eastern Parkway Arena from which Dennis James broadcast the “fights,” in the early days of television.

The gilded inside of the bank was pretty impressive, as well. And one could always score a fistful of deposit slips. A kid could draw on the blank backs of the slips. I still have a bunch of those slips containing my crude drawings, which were originally bunked away by my Aunt Nettie.

I also recall the Manufacturers Trust branch on Utica Avenue and Lincoln Place. The bank slips there had carbon paper between the copies of the slips, also a handy acquisition.

There was also children’s clothing store thereabouts called Dainty Kiddy. Between Lincoln Place and Eastern Parkway there was dress shop called Joyce Leslie. There was a Joyce Leslie shop in Manhattan on Eighth Street and University Place until July 2008. I passed it often and it always made me smile and recall the Utica Avenue venue.

On still, quiet Sunday mornings, I could hear the church bells ringing all the way from Lincoln Place and Utica Avenue to Buffalo Avenue.

I remember the Sam Ash Music store on Utica Avenue and St. Johns Place. Across St. Johns Place there was a family owned Jewelry Store on Utica Avenue, one store (the inevitable candy store; a Garcia Y Vega Smoke Shop) from the corner, at which my father purchased my mothers wedding ring.

And I remember the A&P Supermarket on St. Johns Place, in what had been the Utica Theater. It seemed like the largest open interior space in the neighborhood to me. The vaulting ceiling high overhead had been painted white but it was still impressive. Employees would grind “Eight O’Clock Coffee” fresh for you and even to a five year old the aroma was delectable. I remember the many “Ann Page” items, the A&P house brand name.

Observing the former Utica Theater and hearing my father’s stories of watching the demolition and removal of the original stone steps that graced the Brooklyn Museum, I first began to understand urban evolution. Now they’re tearing down buildings I watched them build. Of course, evolution can take some ironic turns. The Famous, a dairy restaurant became a McDonalds.

My father saw John F. Kennedy campaign in front of Dubrow’s Cafeteria in 1960. I remember the seltzer dispenser in Dubrow’s as well as the one in the Knishery on St. Johns Place between Rochester and Utica Avenues. The knishery had previously been located on Flatbush Avenue. What terrific knishes. These days I can buy knishes at the Yona Shimmel Knish Bakery on Houston Street in “the city.” But the last few times I indulged I was terribly under whelmed, a crime at nearly three dollars apiece. However one can still purchase a pretty fair knish at Zabar’s. And rye bread. And sometimes, a tasty, reasonably priced shrink-rapped kishka.

My mother’s grandmother “Dozie” (Rosie) worked on a farm on Eastern Parkway when she arrived in this country towards the end of the nineteenth century.

I took my first art classes at the Brooklyn Museum. Nathan’s Famous ran the cafeteria concession at the Museum for several years. For many years the museum had a lightbox display of Indonesian shadow puppets opposite the entrance to the cafeteria and it always fascinated me. I was amazed and delighted to find some of my very own handiwork in that exact spot when the museum mounted a temporary exhibit about comic books in the early 1970’s.

The museum did some remodeling in the late fifties or early sixties. The change that made the most impact on me was the change in the location of the entrance to the cafeteria from the rear of the room to the front.

I practically grew up in the Brooklyn Museum. It was free and my father was cheap. But in the cafeteria he would spring for an orange drink and French fries for me and a cup of coffee for himself. As a kid I was strictly “gulp ‘n’ go!” No sitzfleisch. But my father wanted to relax and finish his Camel and his coffee. The time it always took for him to finish that cigarette defined my childish concept of eternity.

The Main Branch of the Brooklyn Public Library featured a very fine children’s section that boasted it’s own special entrance.

I received my first Library Card at the branch on Eastern Parkway at Schenectady Avenue.

We also frequented the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens. They had a Rose Garden that was spectacular in season. As a three or four-year old I managed to topple off of some raised platform and right into the thorn laden rose bushes. Studded with thorns I was rescued by my father and “plucked” by several Japanese doctors, tourists that happened to be passing by.

I recall the Ripley’s Men’s Clothes Store on Utica Avenue as well as the one on Pitkin Avenue.

The Twin Cantors lived near that corner on Eastern Parkway, I think.

A fellow named Greenstein operated the Camera Exchange under a variety of names and locations on Utica Avenue, including shops at 204 and 822. He, my father and Al Lustig, a baby photographer, were members of the Lincoln Terrace Camera Club. Who remembers the Moss Brothers photography studio on Utica Avenue?

At the bottom of the hill at the intersection of Empire Blvd, East New York Avenue, Remsen Avenue and Utica Avenue was another of my favorite taste sensations. The White Castle. To me, nothing could beat an orange drink and a couple of White Castles. I remember the heavy white crockery they in which they served the food and coffee and the spring loaded device that they stacked the dishes into that always kept the stack at an even height. One occasion when I was four or five years old, a few hours after visiting the White Castle, my parents observed me picking the lint off of a White Castle that I had stashed in the pocket of my winter coat for later delectation. White Castle gave me my first heartburn.

The Jungle Jim Coconut Ices stand on Pitkin Avenue near Strauss Avenue had delicious ices. Also along Pitkin Avenue, our optometrist Dr. Pincus has a narrow shop. What stands out in my memory about his front window is the little white smocked figurine of a doctor holding a tray in one hand, with two little eyeballs sitting on it.

In 1970 1 was an usher at the Albemarle Theater, and the Rialto Theater others on Flatbush Avenue.

I recall the Lin “711” Fong Chinese restaurant on Flatbush Avenue and I remember that the Grotto D’oro Italian restaurant on Flatbush Avenue had a wonderful combination platter for two of Steak Pizziolla and Veal Parmesan. Lee’s of China Town where my parents had their first date (and my Mom had her first Martini) was on Flatbush Avenue as well.

I hope I’ve been able to spark some memories out there. I know I’ve enjoyed setting these memories down for posterity.

Janet: 29th Oct 2008 - 22:02 GMT

What a collection of memories--things that surely resonate throughout this remarkable site. Just a few comments, Alan, though the Rochester-Buffalo-Ralph neighborhood from St. Johns to Eastern Parkway was not our neighborhood. The Congress was always a "grander" movie house (more like one you'd find in Flatbush) and in the luncheonette on Rochester & St. Johns I often enjoyed an ice cream soda during the JHS 210 lunch hour. Did you know my dentist, Dr. Borowitz, whose office was on Buffalo just a door or two from St. John's?You remind me also of the used book store at Ralph. On the few occasions I went to the movies all the way up St. Johns (what was the name of the movie theatre around the corner from the Pitkin--just where St. John's Place ended or turned into another street? I remember distinctly seeing a Donald O'Connor/ Peggy Ryan movie there and walking home--a long distance!) I stopped at that bookshop whenever I passed and marveled at the stacks of National Geographics with color photos of remote places--the stuff that movies were made of. So much to recall and ponder from your article . . . (got married at The Twin Cantors). Thanks for the memories beautifully recounted.

RICHIE RUBIN: 30th Oct 2008 - 00:51 GMT

HEY!,ALAN K,YOU SURE DON'T HAVE ALZ..WHEW!& YER ONLY
A`TOTTALA'[B.`53?]I GUESS YOU GO BACK AS OFTEN AS I!
NAH,NUTTIN'IS DA SAME!.& SHUL ON BUFFALO/LINCOLN IS
[WAS]`PECH-TAK-TIKVA'I WAS BAR-MITVAHED THERE 9/`55
YEAH,YOU[ALAN K.]WERE JUST 2 YRS OLD!I'M AN OLD[ER]
FART..LIVIN'IN BESERK-LY CALIF.[NO WINTER!]BEEN HERE
SINCE`69[AFTER WOODSTOCK,DROVE OUT TO SEE`ALTAMOUNT'
NEVAH LEFT!N.Y.C.JUST SEEMED UGLY/FILTHY/CRIME RIDDEN,
& UNFRIENDLY.& TOO HOT IN SUMMER & TOO COLD IN WINTER
& BESERK-LY HAD RENT CONTROL & WA$ CHEAPER THAN N.Y!
BUT HAD NO NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE I LEFT.I DID`MISS'THAT
ASPECT,BUT N.CALIF.IS PRETTY[ESPECIALLY S.F.BAY AREA]
& B-I-G!..WHEN I VISIT N.Y.C IT SEEMS SO>small

Nobody: 30th Oct 2008 - 01:53 GMT

Richie -- might it be possible to not comment in ALL-CAPS? It's kind of hard to read, annoying (people consider it the equivalent of YELLING online) and I think it's been getting your comments deleted on this thread because it is against the rules on this site -- citynoise.org/about.php#faq5

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Oct 2008 - 13:04 GMT

I’m terribly gratified that some of you enjoyed my reminisces. Richie Rubin is correct in that I sure don’t have Alzheimer’s.

I live in Greenwich Village and I haven’t been back to that part of Brooklyn for over ten years. But as my father was a gifted amateur photographer, I have tons of photo reference. And I must admit that Google and Google Maps was a tremendous research aid as I prepared my comments. For those unfamiliar with that site and the features available on it, there is a “street view” that allows you to look around at eye level, 360 degrees. Not every map location has this feature, but 261 Buffalo Avenue sure has it.

I also spoke to my mother several times for some specifics. I seem to remember some things better than she does, but she gave me a few memory jolts as well. I had not thought about the Dudtka Brother’s or their Breakstone’s Cheese boxes for forty years. Literally. Amazing that a memory can lie dormant and untouched for that long and yet bloom again like that. After all, what is memory? A chemical sequence set by an electrical impulse in the brain? It’s amazing.

But however memory works, I think my artistic talent dictates part of MY brain wiring. If one cannot see something, one cannot reproduce it. I do not know if I see the landscape of life the same way a non-artist sees it, because I’ve never looked at it through other eyes. One way or another, I am a third-generation artist.

Some memories are so vivid that I can “walk around in them.”

On the other hand, concerning my memory of the Twin Cantors, I do not know why this information is in my head or how it got there. Maybe from a documentary I saw on PBS? But I was unsure if that was a “real” thing. I couldn’t find any info on-line about them. Gornisht.

So, thank you Janet. Thanks to you, I know I’m not delusional. As to some of your other points, nope, I do not recall Dr. Borowitz. Our dentist was Abraham “Doc” Abramson, another one of my father’s crony’s from the Lincoln Terrace Camera Club. His office was on East 92 Street near Rutland Road and later near Utica Avenue and Flatlands Avenue. He was a nice man and a good dentist.

I cannot recall the name of the theater around the corner from the Loew’s Pitkin. Was it in the same building as the Pitkin? The first proto-multiplex? I vividly remember my father imparting some bit of vital lore about that location, but I cannot dredge it up. Very frustrating.

I don’t think I attended any other neighborhood theaters than the Congress, the Pitkin and the Carroll Theaters. We moved out of the nabe when I was eight, so I hadn’t seen that many films yet. Most of my Brooklyn movie going was at the Canarsie Theater, The Rugby Theater, The Seaview Theater, The Granada Theater and the King’s Plaza Theater. And the theaters on Flatbush Avenue, including the Albemarle and Loew’s Kings.

The only theater interior I can really recall is the Loew’s Kings.

But I had forgotten the amazing National Geographic conglomeration that existed in Dave’s bookshop on Ralph Avenue. But as soon as you mentioned it, the vision of all those yellow magazine spines leapt to mind. Thanks again, Janet.

I hope to see more memories from my end of Eastern Parkway. So far I seem to be the only representative from that neck of the woods. So, come on folks, hold up your end!

I have a version of my comments with appropriate accompanying PHOTOS available.

Any of you fine folks who wish to see the photos can e-mail me at:

kupperberg@eathlink.net

And I will be happy to send it to you.

RICHIE RUBIN: 30th Oct 2008 - 14:23 GMT

Folks,da reason I typed in CAPS..yep:BIGGER & EASIER
to READ!..no?but it seems `tis`illegal'on dis site[?]
so I'LL continue w/dese teeny lower case stuff..dig?
Richie Rubin..& ALAN K;`Jungle Jim's coconut whip'
on Amboy st./Pitkin ave.was da best!in fact,I recall
`Jungle Jim'wearing a pith helmet/& safari duds when
I seen him last..5[five]decades ago!then across st.to
Pitkin. does anyone remember the`Eastern Pkwy arena'?
I saw`georgeous George' wrestle there when I was a tot
w/MY GRAMPA.natch,an avid boxing/wrestling/racetrack
fan.it was on E.P & Pitkin[?]oh,I believed it was real
[wrestling]in dose daze!..didn't WE all?..RR

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Oct 2008 - 15:01 GMT

Richie, I have no personal experiences with the E.P. Arena. I just know that it existed. I do know that my mother's step-father, Nat Klonsky, later Nat Kaye did some boxing under the name Kid Klonsky or Kid Kaye.

In general, we were not a family that "knew from sports."

Let me remind everyone that I have a version of my comments with appropriate accompanying PHOTOS available. Profusely Illustrated.

Any of you fine folks who wish to see the photos can e-mail me at:

kupperberg@eathlink.net

And I will be happy to send it to you.

Bob: 30th Oct 2008 - 15:37 GMT

The E.P. arena was quite the place, televised
monday nite fights from there. Closed in the 50's
another piece of history gone, now a parking lot
the last time i was in the area.

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Oct 2008 - 16:59 GMT

Janet, I just realized that I have a photo of Dr. Borowitz's office window, that is, if he was directly above the Congress Deli. If you e-mail me at kupperberg@earthlink.net I will send you the illustrated version of my comments.

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Oct 2008 - 19:42 GMT

Unfortunately I am a computer dunce and successfully re-sizing the photos to meet the requirements of the site is beyond me, I'm sorry to say.

Keith Bernstein: 30th Oct 2008 - 20:05 GMT

According to my recollection, the Twin Cantors catering hall was located on the southeast corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway with the entrance on EP.

Thanks Alan for your wonderful memoir.

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Oct 2008 - 20:18 GMT

Yep, Keith, that's the way I have it in my head. Again, I'm not sure how it got in my head, but there it is.

You're very welcome.

Jane: 30th Oct 2008 - 21:50 GMT

Alan: send them to editors@citynoise.org and have them post them here for you?

Stan: 31st Oct 2008 - 06:38 GMT

Before the Eastern Parkway Arena was used for boxing it was also a roller skating rink. There was also one on Empire Blvd (the Empire Rollerdrome)near Ebbets field. There was also Freddie Fitzsimmons bowling alley on Empire Blvd. Freddie Fitzsimmons was a player for the Dodgers.

On the corner across from the E.P.Arena was a yiddish theatre.

Richie Rubin: 1st Nov 2008 - 00:45 GMT

does anyone remember:`Park East'bar/lounge next to
Twin Cantors'dayglow pink' lighting.[it was on E.P.
nr.Utica ave.across from`Famous'[veggy] rest.]their
`fake'meatloaf'was[almost]a dead ringer for da real
stuff!..no?& kugel[potato/luckshen[noodle]you would
kill for!but`Dubrow's'was da best!portions dat can
feed most 3rd world nations! & free seltzer!what a
crowd..& the bus to Aqueduct racetrack stopped on
corner in front of`Yomel's cigar/candy store,& then
da`characters'hangin'out in Dubrow's would run out
to catch it..in any weather!what a`hood'in dem daze!

Alan Kupperberg: 1st Nov 2008 - 21:29 GMT

I sent my photos to the editors at citynoise yesterday and we shall see where that leads. I'll keep my fingers crossed, Jane. Thanks for the tip.

Janet, I've confirmed that the movie theater located behind the Loew's Pitkin Theater was the Palace. My mother saw a re-issue of "Gone With The Wind" there during a blizzard in December of 1947.

Richie, I have it on reliable authority that the Temple Pech Tak Tikvah was on the north east corner of Rochester Avenue and Lincoln Place, not on Buffalo Avenue. So, nu, Richie, how'd ya dig th' pix, dude?

Richie Rubin: 2nd Nov 2008 - 00:46 GMT

Alan K; nah..I was Bar Mitzvahed there[Temple P.T.T']
&`twas a tiny shul on Buffalo ave./Lincoln pl.? but
maybe,..just maybe, I'M havink a`senior moment'[?]
& it was on mid-block..not corner!if I knew how to
shpel it..I'D look it up![as would U!..no?.0h,pics
were terrif..I wish U had more!..so do ALL of us
from old`hood..no?..

Esthr Herschman (Rechtschafner): 2nd Nov 2008 - 08:21 GMT

I enjoyed this site very much. I graduated from PS167 in 1958.Now i will try to list yu some of my memories. Kindergarten teacher Miss Shapiro. (there was another kindergarten class and teacher -Mrs. Pinkerton. She later worked as the school librarian, and organizing booksales.); first grade- Mrs. Shore(she used to have childrencome to the front of the classroom and ezplain therir drwings);second grade - Miss Ashkenazi (married name- Mrs. Scwartz); third grade Mrs. Glassberg (she used toask for a promise of quiet, close the door of the classroom, and go to buy icecream and cookies for the class. she oncesaid to me "nature isn't straight"; fourth grade-Mrs. Berkowitz, fifth grade Miss Guntz (she had bluish hair, lived onLong Island and used to come very erly evry morning), sixth grade- Mrs. Gradstein (she lived someplace near the Brookly Museum;seventh grae Mr. Klores (he used to have everyone write a weekend-log"", eery monday morning they were all read and evryone made comments on how others spent their weekends);eighth grade-Miss Scanlan (she was also the sewing teacher). I remember someother teachers (Mrs. Gordon, Mrs. Eisenstein, Mrs. Franco, Mr. Allen, Mrs. Raftery(home economics), Mrs. hines and Mr. Littman [thanks for reminding me of them together. I wonder if they also read this site?], Mr.Ladato-principal, Mrs. Bessie Goldstein-assitant principal, one of the secretaries-mrs. Rosenzweig. I was a moniotr: office, audiroium, stairs. I remember the lining up in the schoolyard or in the basement, sitting in the auditorium for lower grades, and the marching uptairs. Other memories: fire drills, and saftey drills in 1951 of crouching in the corridor bagels on a wooden cart, Honey's,delicatessan (St.John's place and Schenaectady Ave.) Walbaum's (Eastern Parkway and Albany Ave.), Bernstein's onkindston Ave.near St. johsn Place,The yeshiva of Eastern Parkway, the nice sculpured gardens in the houses on Eastern Parkway between Troy Ave. and the school, field days, excursions (fire dpt., Brookyn Museum [music appreciation with David Levita], Bronx Park, bus passes,late slips. I lived on Sterling Place between Kingston Ave. and Hampton Place.there were 2 cndy sotes on the corners of Kingston Ave;Eddie and Al's, Izies. I had a girlfriend who lived around the corner-Brenda Patterson. if you know what happened to her please contact me I would love to renew contact with her. THANKS. [email: remarc@ein-zurin.co.il] i am willing to write to anyone who wants to write to me. I now live in Israel.Sometimes Imiss Crown Heights.

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 2nd Nov 2008 - 09:21 GMT

I have tried to think of the words of the school song. This is all that I can remember. Can any of you complete/edit it?
School song
The Parkway School

Dear Parkway school
We give praise to your name
As we sing of your fame
As we think of the years gone by
Loyal and true we shall be unto you
--?--:-
We had a shool newspaper called "The Parkway Herald". the teacher in charge was Mrs. Friedman. She was tall and thin. There was a scpecial class for gifted children called ESP. they had atypewriter in the room.It was for 5 & 6 graders.Most ofthem went on to SP (special progress)in PS 210.
ESTHER

Alan Kupperberg: 2nd Nov 2008 - 11:41 GMT

Richie, I think you may possibly be putting two different memories together.

My mother was married on Buffalo Avenue in 1951 where you were Bar Mitzvahed in 1955. A narrowish "two family" brick building, mid-block with a small temple downstairs. The Rabbi lived in the back, I believe. I'm not sure. And the reception hall was upstairs. I do not know what that facility on Buffalo Avenue was called.

Is it possible that you had the religious ceremony on Rochester Avenue and then walked a block to the reception on Buffalo Avenue?

The Temple Pech Tak Tikvah was on the north east corner of Rochester Avenue and Lincoln Place. My uncle David was Bar Mitzvahed there in 1958. The Temple building was/is a dignified stone edifice, smack on the corner, though no longer a Temple.

So the only thing in doubt is, which establishment was Pech Tak Tikvah? Of course, I wouldn't swear on a stack of bibles, natch. Obviously I have no facts. I'm just trying to reconcile my sources.

Unfortunately, it seems that history ain't "the truth." It's a consensus of opinion, all fallible.

Richie Rubin: 2nd Nov 2008 - 14:25 GMT

ALAN K;hmm,MY MOM just told ME[in a call from Fla,]
da tiny one on Buffalo/lincoln was MY RABBI's shul,
& indeed it was a[cheaper]arm of`P.T.T'ergo,WE cho$e
dat`branch'in Sept.`55 to throw MY Bar Mitz.oh,MY
RABBI was GREENBERG on E.P.nr Troy ave.did anyone
else out dere have him for`Hebrew'?great comicbook
collection..incl.`Classic'comics[which many of US
copied/wrote OUR P.S.167`book'reports outta]..no?
it don't matta anyhow,they're ALL`gone'[shul,RABBI
`Hood'[as WE knew it!].no?..

Alan Kupperberg: 2nd Nov 2008 - 14:58 GMT

Well, Richie, you're absolutely right about your last point. The shuls, the rabbis, they're all gone now. (Strangely enough, the Classics Illustrated imprint has recently made a comeback.)

Luckily we all have our memories remaining to cherish. And they can yield precious, lovely gems.

Keep digging and sharing folks, I love to read them all.

Richie Rubin: 2nd Nov 2008 - 15:15 GMT

ALAN K;yeah,`Classics'has bounced back from da dead!,
RABBI GREENBERG also had `MAD',Tales from the crypt',
& ALL Superhero comix[from `50'S,dey also`risen']
what can WE say/type..as an old comic strip*[smokey
stover'?]usta say:`them days are gone..forever'!
in:*Daily Mirror/News/Journal American?..whew!..

Stan: 2nd Nov 2008 - 15:27 GMT

Just a note:

I was bar mitzvahed at Petach Tikva in June 1943. It was on the corner of Rochester Ave. and Lincoln Place.

The other Bar Mitvah with me was Gene Braunwald who lived opposire me on Eastern Parkway between Troy and Albany. Gene is now a Professor at Harvard and a renowned cardiologist who wrote the definitive text on cardiology now used in most med schools.

I remember being president of the G.O. at PS 167 during WWII.

Anybody remember those days? Anybody still around?

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 2nd Nov 2008 - 15:43 GMT

I think I remember the words to the school song a bit better now. How's this?:
School song
The Parkway School

Dear Parkway School
We give praise to shrine,
As we gaze at your flag on high.
Shouting your name
As we will add to your fame,
As we think of the years gone by.
Loyal and true we shall be unto you
Never tiring ----ing your _.
Praise the colors blue and gold,
Raise them to the sky.
Raise them overhead,
As we go proudly marching by.
---
I remember Assemblies: a teacher leading the singing, color guard, and voting for the GO movie, and sometimes there was a play.

Alan Kupperberg: 2nd Nov 2008 - 16:23 GMT

Richie, my pop and I used to love "Smokey Stover" (by Bill Holman) and Smokey's cat, Spooky. "Nix nox." "Notary Sojack." Great nonsense.

Anybody remember "Pottsy the Cop," (by Jay Irving)? Irving's nephew was famed Howard Hughes bio hoaxer, Clifford Irving. A beautiful strip, especially in color, in the Sunday papers.

Remember "Dondi" (by Gus Edson and Irwin Hasen)? Irwin, who is 88 now, is a good friend of mine. We will both be appearing at the "National Show" Comic Book Convention in two weeks at the Hotel Pennsylvania. The late Gus Edson had drawn "The Gumps."

Anyone recall "Maw Green?" Used to run under the "Little Orphan Annie" Sunday pages, also by Annie artist Harold Gray.

MAD magazine used to be terrific. I have every issue. I got to know almost all those MAD and Tales From The Crypt writers and artists and they are (or were) almost all "maniacs." I worked for EC immortal Wally Wood in the early seventies, as his "ghost" on several comic strips.

"Moon Mullins, Abner 'n' Slatts, Winnie Winkle, Joe Palooka, Major Hoople, Mary Worth or The Captain and The Kids/Katzenjammer Kids." Great strips. Most of them are gone.

Strips used to be given huge column space in papers. Now it is like trying to read a row of postage stamps. Feh.

I don't belong in this century.

Teri: 3rd Nov 2008 - 02:31 GMT

I had to add my two cents to this board after Keith Bernstein sent me the link. I lived at 1074 Eastern Parkway until I was 18 1/2. I went to 167, 210, Wingate and Brooklyn college. Then, escaped to Seattle. All the posts bring back memories. Anyone remember Judy, my sister, or me from 1074?

Sol: 3rd Nov 2008 - 03:25 GMT

Hi Teri, I also trecked from Brooklyn to Seattle......in time to watch them build the Space Needle & monorail for Century 21. Lived near Alki and then near the locks at Ballard. Did my duty at Sand's Point, now Magnusun Park. Watched the "Yellow Canary" prototype & worked the Minuteman program during the reign of "Scoop" Jackson. Hung out at Von's & Pioneer Square. Never found a decent bagel nor knish, even at Brennar's...so am now back near the Big Apple.

Doc S.......: 3rd Nov 2008 - 04:50 GMT

Hi, Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner) -
I had contributed to this column briefly before.
In one of your earlier posts you had mentioned a Mrs. Gradstein as your sixth grade teacher.
FWIW, (Ida) Gradstein was my aunt on my mothers side of the family - my mother, also a teacher, and Ida were extremely close.

Teri: 3rd Nov 2008 - 05:41 GMT

I had Mrs. Gradstein for sixth grade, too. I have fond memories of her and the class.

Stan: 3rd Nov 2008 - 12:25 GMT

Teri:

Don't know when you lived there, but I was born in 1074. My grandparents (Zimmerman) took the apartment when we moved to 919.

Next door to 1074 lived Herbie Prince, Mike Lyman and Howie Sapon. Howie and I were in the navy togther in '51

Alan Kupperberg: 3rd Nov 2008 - 14:35 GMT

Yeh, Richie, FEH! Wit' d'hand! Sometimes when my father smelled a bad oder he'd say, "Lima, Peru!" really drawing out the Peru. He might also say, "Billy Eckstine!" in the same circumstances. Accent on the "ecks." I must've been almost an adult when I discovered Billy Eckstine was a real person.

In the movie bio of Lenny Bruce, "Lenny," starring Dustin Hoffman as Lenny, he's visiting his mother Sally Marr and his Aunt Mima. And he's being inappropriately vulgar at the dinner table. And his Aunt Mima starts "geshrying," "Feh, feh!" And Lenny/Dustin tells her she sounds like a flock of "Jewish seagulls."

Keith Bernstein: 3rd Nov 2008 - 17:37 GMT

I would like to add some comments about Mrs. Ida Gradstein. I thought her to be an effective teacher and a sweet lady. The mention of her name brought back some memories of my sixth grade class at PS 167 in 1958-59.

Unless I have the wrong date (Teri, you'll have to chime in here), the summer of 1958 brought great changes to the building. The walls had been painted and the old combination folding seats/desks bolted to the wooden floors in single rows had been removed. When we lined up in front of our classroom, we were not permitted to enter the room, because inside there were stacks of new movable desks (two students per desk) and separate chairs. I also think that the old wooden floors had been covered with new linoleum. When we were allowed inside, the boys unstacked the desks and removed the brown paper that covered them and we arranged the room according to Mrs. Gradstein's instructions. The new furniture was a great improvement; the old seats and desks were very narrow and the desks had inkwells, holes where jars of ink were placed for nib pens before the advent of ballpoint pens. The replaced furniture was quite old and probably was part of the original construction of the building, which, so far as I can tell, was completed in 1911.

For some insight about Mrs. Gradstein: That year, our class used an American history textbook which dated from the 1930s and referred to "The World War," as book predated WWII and Korea. During our reading about slavery, the authors stated that the Africans who were kidnapped and enslaved were better off here than in Africa. Mrs. Gradstein took great exception to this statement and we had a spirited discussion about how wrong the authors were.

The funniest thing that happened that year was the time one of the boys (he was considered an odd duck by many of us) came to class carrying a full-length fur coat that he found on the way to school. The sight of a short boy with this huge coat gave us all a good laugh. Mrs. Gradstein identified the fur as muskrat and we all took to calling him "Muskrat". Even Mrs. Gradstein called him "Muskrat" for a while.

That really was a fine year. We had a Rexograph in our room, and I was the Rexograph monitor. For those who may not remember, a Rexograph was a machine that used white plastic stencils attached to a rotating drum to make multiple copies and printed in a violet color. The ink was volatile and had a pungent aroma that was retained on the copies. Our class published a magazine once or twice a year; I think it was called the Spotlight. I played piano and recorder in the school orchestra, which was lead by one of the teachers who was a professional sax/clarinet player (I can't remember his name) and I belonged to the recorder club (which he also ran), which met after school once per week. I still have the music notebooks in which I copied music that the teacher had written on blackboard at recorder club meetings some fifty years ago. Those notebooks were purchased at Sam Ash, located at 242 Utica Avenue, between Union and St John's.

Our class was picked to participate in a current events radio program on WNYE which was listened to in many schools (our class had a radio, and we listened to WNYE in class on a regular basis), and three of my classmates got to participate in the program. The whole class went to the studio (in Manhattan?) and watched the broadcast. We also took a trip to Manhattan to visit the Chemical Corn Exchange Bank that spring.

Unfortunately, PS 167 has fallen on hard times. Interested readers can access the latest Building Condition and Assessment Survey at schools.nyc.gov/SchoolPortals/17/K167/AboutUs/Statistics/facilities.htm . The Archetectural survey contains many pictures of the building, showing its poor state of repair. The pictures may, however, bring back memories of the building for those of us who have not seen it for many years.

One thing I don't remember was a school song. Perhaps its use was limited to seventh- and eighth-graders (I left PS 167 after the sixth grade) or maybe it was abandoned at some point in time. I do remember the assemblies with the color guard (we had to wear white shirts/blouses and red ties on assembly day) and voting for the GO movie. I remember that one year the movie was "Calamity Jane" starring Doris Day. I also remember that every June we had "Field Day" at Boy's High Field.

It was all long ago but filled with (mostly) happy memories. I hope my memories have rekindled some of yours, which you will then share with us.

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 3rd Nov 2008 - 18:48 GMT

Mrs.Gradstein was my sixth gradeteacher in 1955-6. I remember the old furniture. I never new it had been changed up till now.
Therr were fruit and vegetable stores across the street from the school on Schenecktady Avenue. The store on the Eastern Parkway corner was called the "Big Apple". Avocadoes and eggplants were sold there. My Mother said that these were forthe "neuvo-rich".
There were crossing guards on Lincoln Place and Schenectady Ave. There was a school supply store on Schenectady Ave., between Lincoln and St. John's Place. It was terribly crowded with merchandise. There was a blind man who owned/worked in the cigar store on Kingston Ave. and St. John's Place. There was a Chinese laundry on St. John's Place near Albany Ave. The calculations there were done on an abicus. Do any of you remember the "honor roll" and honor badge smade of a differnt color ribbon every year? The last day of school pupils would come, wearing very nice clothes and their honor badges, which were pinned on with a safety pin. In the lower grades there was inspection every morning: shiny shoes, a handkerchief (sometimes pinned on if clothes were without pockets,and a pencil and an eraser on the desk. The St. John's Place bus and the Kingston Ave. bus were atteched to cables overhead. there was a little park that took up one city block onKingstonAve.cornerPark place to Brookyn Ave. corner Prospect Place. The Children's museum was located across the street on Brookyn Ave. corner Prospect Place. We haf graduationexercises in the Boys High Annex,which was next toPS 138 (about Nostrand Ave. and Prospect Place?). The girls had to sew their own dresses for graduation. I actually learned how to sew from Miss Scanlan.

Richie Rubin: 4th Nov 2008 - 03:57 GMT

Esther H;Dem St.Johns pl.buses*were powered by 2[two]
overhead electric wires[`TRACKLESS TROLLEYS']the last
one ran in 1960..WE[St.Johns Boys]usta`hitch'`em by
hangin'on in back..& jump off @ OUR leisure! as far
as I know,no kid was ever hurt doing this derring-do
feat!..oh,&`SAM ASH'music was on Utica `twixt lincoln
&St.Johns pl.then moved to corner of Utica/St.Johns in
`60..& dem`field daze'@ boys high field on maple st.
..did anyone else out there go swimming @`Betsy Head'
pool in brownsville or St.George hotel in b'klyn?hts?
or tues.nite fireworks in coney isl? when steeplechase
was still open!yaaay!..what summers!..no?

Keith Bernstein: 4th Nov 2008 - 04:41 GMT

Hi Richie--a trifecta between two Tilden guys. My father took me to the St. George pool during the 1950s and once to Betsy Head pool around 1960 and to the Coney Island fireworks several times.

Here's one for you: have you ever been to a shvitz (steam bath)? My father and grandfather took me to one in Coney Island during the summer of 1956 when I was eight years old. I went swimming there and had my first steam bath. Afterwards, we slept on the roof on cots in the open air. The next day, we went to Shatkin's knish store (I think that's the name) on Surf Avenue. A great memory!

Alan Kupperberg: 4th Nov 2008 - 12:48 GMT

My pal David Helbon and I used to swim at the Brownsville Boys Club on Linden Blvd. Then, reeking of chlorine, we'd bop across the boulevard to "Coney Island Joe's," for great franks n' fries.

Wanna go halfsies on that Time Machine, Richie?

Richie Rubin: 4th Nov 2008 - 14:31 GMT

ALAN K:`Coney Island Joes'[in brownsville/E.N.Y]W/train
tracks behind da joint..yep,great`hotdogs'[franks were
made of 100%beef[parts]&greasy fries!I usta work a few
blks down Linden Blvd @ COCA-COLA bottling plant nr
Georgia st.in early`60's,did anyone ever go to the
`batting cage'/min.golf on Penn.ave.nr Belt pkwy?
[before`Starrett City'was`born']& the Children's Mus.
on b'klyn ave.had a subway model electric train that
WE could operate by pressing a button.did WE `fight'
over that few mins.to run the`subway'!hey!do go to:
> www..nycsubway.org < & hit cars,pre-unification,
all pix of dem clankity old trains WE rode in `50's
&`60's..a real`pisher'!..& plenty of memories!.like
overhead fans that wet/sandy towels were thrown into
on dem svetchink/steamy N.Y.summers.coming back from
coney isl/brighton beaches..whew!..pheh! did dem trains
shmell..bad!...

Alan Kupperberg: 4th Nov 2008 - 17:52 GMT

Yep, Richie, I remember the Coca Cola bottling plant on Linden Blvd between Georgia and Pennsylvania Avenues. Grandma Ann and Aunt Nettie lived in Starrett City. Coney Island Joe's was little more than a hut or a shack.

This morning I was trying to remember what that "hill" behind Coney Island Joe's was. Now I realize that I lived a block away from that same rail line near Remsen Avenue near Ditmas. Never put two and two together before.

Great old subway cars w/rattan seats stuffed w/horse hair. When the rattan frayed and broke you could get "stabbed" in the leg or in the posterior. Later they covered the horse hair with red leatherette.

Remember how the motors hummed and whined? And the sound of the compressors for the air-brakes? How about the enter/exit vestibules at either end of the car? Great rolling stock.

When the Uptown Lexington IRT Express pulled around that curve and into the 42 Street station the rails would "scream. "

Also, I miss them old "Ralph Kramden" buses. I used to hitch on the back of the Church Avenue bus. In galoshes yet! You couldn't hitch on the "new" buses. Nothing to grip or stand on. Nertz. Remember the fare box on the bus? That whirling doohickey (a coin counter? ) on the side of it? The lever the driver would hit to drop the change into the lock box? Back then the driver would make change for you. Or you could pay with those dime sized tokens. Hey, pull the cord, this is my stop! And the rear doors would open automatically, no pushing needed, driver operated.

A fun subway movie is "The Incident," 1967. "The Taking of Pelham, 1-2-3," is good too.

Enjoyed the Children's Museum. I think it's at a different location now.

I just picked up the fixin's for chicken/matzoh ball soup and tonight I will slurp my way to Nirvana. (which is just next door to Joyva, a suburb of Halvah.)

Bob: 4th Nov 2008 - 19:26 GMT

Alan, Childrens Museum at same locale, between Brooklyn
and Kingston Aves on St. Marks place. It's ultra mod
now a sign of the times.

Richie Rubin: 4th Nov 2008 - 20:11 GMT

ALAN K;oy!joyva hal-a-vah..esp.choco.covered tidbits,
[& da jell-filled ones too!.WE musta consumed 1,000's
of dem deadly`penny candies'in OUR`yout'..no? ant
local`candystore'was literally a`killink field'all
dat crap WE swallowed/digested is now startink to
take it's effects.no?.but kishke hadda be da`deadliest'
item WE ate..MY kin put @ least 6[six]chick'n'S fat in
da recipe..imagine:a qt.of shmaltz soaked up by a kilo
of flour & udda`stuff'& crammed into a cows`gut'[1[one]
of several`guts']..& followed by a servink of:p'chah!
thence a blob of chopped liver[w/more cholesterol than
most 3rd world nations consume in a yr!]& WE'RE shtill
`kickink'..no?by da numbers[of fat/chol.]WE digested thru
all dese yrs..WE shudda been dead 5 yrs ago!..PHEH! on
all dem statistics!..let's eat!..[lungen stew sure was
a`killa']..no?

Alan Kupperberg: 4th Nov 2008 - 21:16 GMT

Richie, I've gotta admit I have no affection for organ meats, except for chopped liver. So lungen stew doesn't sound appealing to me.

Your family's recipe for kishke sounds like "moider!" I don't think I've ever had p'chah or even a cholent. My old man'd eat those goodies. My parents liked to go to Michele's restaurant on Flatbush Avenue and Sterling or Park Place and he'd have sweetbreads. He also loved to slurp "ersters" at Lundy's in Sheepshead Bay. Most of these food items hold no allure for me, alas. Might try a cholent though, in the slow cooker.

How about a "bissel schtick smoked sturgeon? Or a nice smoked chub or white fish? A good whitefish salad can't be beat. Lox is okay, by me. Vita herring in sour cream and sliced onions? And in a pinch, a can of King Oscar Sardines (in tomato sauce) is okay when it sitz on a Ritz.

Did you have Aunts that always only wanted a "sliver" of cake. Maybe they'd eat ten slivers. But they hadda be slivers. Ebinger's made a terrific Blackout cake, as has been frequently mentioned here.

Oy, am I making myself hungry.

Suzy R. (gradstein): 5th Nov 2008 - 20:21 GMT

to: Esther Herschman (Rechstschafner), Teri, and Keith Bernstein-
My cousin, Doc S, just clued me into this site. I am Ida Gradtein's daughter, and it realy makes me feel good to hear the nice things you are saying about her. I know that she considered it her mission to see that her students succeeded, even if it meant doing some special things, such as giving a student with poor hand coordination a spelling test orally in the back of the room, letting a student who was better at math than she was, teach a particular lesson, etc.
Some of you may know me, as every once in a while, paticularly in the early 1950's, she would bring me in for a day to her class.
I went to P.S. 9, but then to John Marshall Junior High, and then to Erasmus Hall....and then escaped Brooklyn, for college, only to return for Med School at Downstate...I eventually escaped, and finished my residency way across the country and stayed there, only to return for family things....

Keith Bernstein: 5th Nov 2008 - 21:50 GMT

Hi Suzy R--

We have come full circle: fifty years after I had your mother as a teacher, I am delighted to connect with you. Unfortunately, I can recall only a little more about that year.

During the year, one of the girls in the class moved away and transferred to another school. Just before she left, she carved her name into one of the new desks. When your mother found out, she was so angry that she threatened to contact the principal of the girl's new school. I don't know if she did, but that was the most upset that I ever saw your mother get.

That spring, our class participated in a school-wide activity (a folk dance festival?), during which we performed a Mexican dance called "La Raspa." I had two (perhaps six) left feet and was very clumsy and didn't want to participate. Your mother showed extreme patience with me and I eventually learned to do the dance reasonably well. The class performed the dance in the schoolyard in back of the school and I remember enjoying the experience.

That's all I can remember. We do have another connection: I'm a Downstate med school alum as well.

Suzy R. (gradstein): 6th Nov 2008 - 19:30 GMT

Keith - In what year did you graduate from Med School? I was class of 1969.

Keith Bernstein: 6th Nov 2008 - 20:04 GMT

1974. I moved out of Brooklyn after graduation and have lived elsewhere since. However, my wife, who is from the Bronx (I know, it's a mixed marriage!) always says of me: you can take the boy out of Brooklyn, but you can't take Brooklyn out of the boy.

Suzy R. (gradstein): 6th Nov 2008 - 20:47 GMT

Keith - I graduated Downstate in 1969, did part of my residency at KCH/Downstate, finished in Santa Barbara, cut the apron strings, and have been out West ever since.

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 6th Nov 2008 - 20:58 GMT

for Suzy R.
I remember you.Your Mother (MRs. Gradstein)was my 6 grade teacher in 1955-6.Perhaps she brought you to school then. A classsmate of mine,Sharon, who lived on Lincoln Place and Troy Ave, and I once went on a walk with you, with your Mother's pemisssion. We once decided to walk to yur house and visit you, but were embarrassed to ring our teachers doorbell.She also went on to PS 210.I finished PS 167 and then went on to Erasmus. The first year was in he annex (Lenox Rd. & E.49 St.[if I remember correctly]). Simultaneously, I studied in Marshalliah Hebrew High school. Your Mother had us on special reading program.I read many books that year. She would have private conversations with every student about the books they read.

Teri: 8th Nov 2008 - 21:49 GMT

Hi again everyone. I was remiss in not checking this board for a week or so. I was born in late 1947 and lived at 1074 until I was 18 1/2 years old and a student at Brooklyn College. We then moved just a couple of miles down Utica Avenue to Avenue I. After college, I lived in Jamaica, Queens for a couple of years before heading out to Seattle.

To Suzy:
Your mom was one of my all time favorite teachers. Our IGC class was very special and I think of her often.

Teri

Richie Rubin: 8th Nov 2008 - 22:22 GMT

Suzy;picture dis:Your Mom[Mrs.gradstein]cranking up that old
PS 167`Victrola'in the auditorium for:`music appreciation'
WE`Rock & Rollers'didn't really dig dat`Longhair'stuff..
`til now!,& WE never imagined having`long hair a decade
or so..in da future!..no?..Mrs.Dreeben & miss Hines also
cranked up dat`victrola'.as did Mr.Lodato[our principal}
& Mrs.Tillman et al;but never Mr.`maxie'Allen'[Lipshitz]
he tought science..period.just as I graduated..Mr.Hawkins
became PS 167's music teacher..replacing Mr.clark,oh,`moe'
klores was one of MY teachers..alwaze well dressed..no?
does anyone remember Miss Pinkerton & Miss Freidman?both
MY kindergarten teachers![1947-8]..gee,I can remember way
back then..clearly..but I still can't find MY keys![`lost'
last night?]..FEH!

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 12th Nov 2008 - 18:05 GMT

Why isn't anyone writing anything? I think that I shall have to write again.
I remember the window of the Famous retaurant bakery. It wasn't like any other bakery window. It was retangular and it always only displayed 2 cakes. The doors and front wall were beige and brown. As I have written before, Mirs Shapiro was my kniderrgaten teacher. Mrs. Pinkerton was the kindergarten teacher in the next room. (room 111, if I remember correctly?)Mr. Klores was my 7 grade teacher. He used to talk a lot about his family.does anyone remember the story of his arrival in America. His older brother (12), jumped into the water at Ellis Island and swam ashore with Mr.Klores (age 3) under his arm. No one has mentioned Mrs.Franco. She taught history, when I was in 8 grade. The room # was 408.Now i remember the names of some of the musical pieces in "Music Appreciation": To a Wild Rose,To a Water Lily.

Sanford : 12th Nov 2008 - 21:30 GMT

To Esther

In an idle moment I googled PS 167 to find out some details to compare with childhood memories and saw your comments. I was one year behind you at PS 167. My memories of that time are rather sketchy. My family removed to Florida in 1955 when I completed fourth grade. My dad was a medical doctor, we lived in a brownstone on President Street between Albany and Utica - he had his practice down the street in another brownstown.

I found your recollections of the stores and and places of that time very touching. My social skills at the time were nil so I don't have any memories of you. My first and second grade teacher was Miss Fannen, third grade Mrs Goldstein and fourth grade Mrs Newman. And I do remember the august principal Mr. Lodato.

Anyway let me add these snippets --

Boys uniforms of white shirts with clip on tie and dark pants. Chestnuts in wintertime and salt bagel pretzels sold in front of the school. There were still horse drawn National Linen delivery trucks (there were then still teamsters who were teamsters).

Enjoyed reading in My Weekly Read about Pres Truman. I felt so proud of myself wearing that yellow honor roll ribbon for good report cards. The social studies were laughable by today's standards - Rudyard Kipling and White Man's Burden stuff. Class sizes were over 40.

There was quite a diverse ethnic mix of students - Jewish, Italian, WASP and African-American. Carried lunch in a tin basket. Staircases were furnished in ironwork and wire mesh glass.

Though WWII was several years past it cast a very heavy sadness. The kids still chanted ditties taunting Hitler and Mussolini. Whispered conversations about the Rosenbergs. On Memorial Days thousands of soldiers carrying their weapons would parade on Eastern Parkway, all the veterans like my uncle in the crowds wearing flowers and saluting the flags carried before each battalion.

The school year extended from mid September to late June.

The fish store on Sterling Place had big tubs of live fish. The pharmacy had tile floors and smelled sharp from pine oil disinfectant. Across the street was a corner grocery next to a telephone service with ladies wearing headsets pulling and connecting wires.

Do you remember the joyous announcement at school in spring 1955 of the discovery of the polio vaccine?

Allan: 13th Nov 2008 - 18:51 GMT

Sanford,

I think we were in the same grade. In the summer of '55 I would have just finished the 4th grade. I think I had Ms. Hines that year. A memory that just came to me was going down one of the staircases and hearing about the Russians successfully launching Sputnik. I recall some of the food stores across the school on Schenectidy. We were the 'baby boomers' and there were enough of us, on Union St. alone, that we could and did always have games going like punchball, stickball, off-the-wall, ringaleeveo, Johnny On The Pony, skelly(skully?), flukeball, stoopball, etc.
Looking back, it was a great time to grow up.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 14th Nov 2008 - 04:01 GMT

Yeah,dem N.Y.C.street games..how innovative WE were!
a`Spauldeen'made a day of fun/excercise/kvetching,etc.
WE played into da nite..no?did anyone else fill their
`checkers[bottlecaps]w/wax?to make`em heavier? & did
anyone play`Chinese'[against a wall]those were`city'
games,but when WE went away for the summer[catskills,
beach,bungalows f-a-r away from b'klyn..WE played
different`games',swam,hiked,picked berries,rode
horses/ponies,did`farmchores',talent shows,had
`summer crushes',gee,dem 3[three]mos.seemed like
years!..but come september:back to School & our
city lives!..what times!..no?..

Allan: 14th Nov 2008 - 13:22 GMT

Richie,

I was one of the lucky kids to go to Catskills in the summer. Stayed at different bungalow colonies in Sullivan County. Great times. I still visit that area frequently enough and recall memories from way back. As I got older I worked in many of the no longer existent hotels. Even went to school there.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 14th Nov 2008 - 15:02 GMT

Allan,LAST TIME I WAS UP @ Catskills:Hassidim!..lots of`em.
I saw them washing dirty diapers in MY old bungalow colony's
swimming pool[in eve when no one was around!,free bleach!
& like YOU wrote:most hotels`kaputsky'I remember when they
brought up Gambling Ca$ino$ in all LARGE hotels..it was
turned down.alas,Catskills would $till be thriving!..no?

Allan: 14th Nov 2008 - 16:59 GMT

Concord Hotel building has been raized and a multi-billion $ hotel/casino is being built on that site. Property all around is/has been bought up, probably for associated functions or businesses.
Did you ever swim at 'Old Falls'? We used to use float tubes by the falls and go downriver as far as we could. We kids used to dive or jump off of the bridge or the 2 big rocks below the bridge. There were a few hangouts for yongsters and young adults back then(50's through 70's). Those places are long and recently gone. Swimming no longer permitted in the river there too! Like I said, growing up back then, either in Brooklyn or the Catskills, was great. We just really didn't appreciate it at the time.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 15th Nov 2008 - 04:20 GMT

AAAAY-Men!WE now realize what a terrific life WE had back then,
`twas the age of in-no-sense.no? it all `died' in Nov.`63,when
JFK was killed.no?.what a week that was! WE watched the killing
of his assassin>Lee Harvey Oswald,on tv!by Jack Ruby..what did
really happen?,still centurys biggest mystery! WE'LL never know
why it happened!& 5 yrs later:JFK's brother, Bobby Kennedy same
fate!..yeah,the`fun'ended as fast as it began!buut the music
was great!the`British Invasion'took over the airwaves..whew!
even `Murray the K'was named`fifth beatle'[by Murray..natch!]
did anyone else out there attend a`Murray the K'Rock&Roll show
@ B'klyn Fox or Paramount downtown? when the`Ronettes were
`Murray the K'S Dancing Girls'?.now,that was a relief/escape
from events in`63-`68,alas,`Murray the K' died yrs ago!& with
him..those fun shows!...

Allan: 15th Nov 2008 - 14:42 GMT

Richie,

Went to the Brooklyn Paramount several times in the early 60's to see many of the 'doo wop' groups, early rock & roll groups too. Ben E. King, Ronnettes, Clyde McFatter, Martha & the Vandelles, Randy & the Rainbows, Duke of Earl, Temptations, Vito & the Salutations, so many more who apeared there and whose names I just can't recall at this moment. There were two albums that came out at the time that never got the recognition that they deserved and are great to listen to if you appreciate that music: 'The Paragons Meet The Jesters' and 'Rumble'.

The early 60's was a period of innocence in a way. It ended on 11/22/63 at almost exactly noon. I bet almost everyone over the age of 60 knows what they were doing when they heard the news that Kennedy had been shot. I do, it's somewhat ironic and I won't go into it. Suffice to say, the nation was rocked with the news and the events of the tv coverage of the next few days.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 15th Nov 2008 - 16:47 GMT

ALLAN,Yep,dem daze are gone..4-ever! & I had:both albums
`Paragons meet the Jesters' &`Rumble'then Link Wray came
out w/an instumental:`Rumble'all in mid`50's,sure there
were`gangs'in our`hood[mostly in Albany & Kingsboro projects
& many members went to P.S.167..I knew a few,but there were
no`driveby'shootings[no one had cars!]just`gangwars'w/fists,
garrison belts,bats,brass knucks,stickball`sticks,& sometimes
knives &`zipguns'made in shopclass..that hardly worked!there
was:Pigtown,Chaplins,Bishops,jonquels,st.Johns Dukes,Blackhawks,
Homicides,& the legendary Amboy Dukes;& many more in some`hoods
& they all had`Debs'[girl gang members]yet,w/all these`toughs'
`twas a much safer time..WE could `hang out'anywhere w/o fear
of a`driveby'..no?..oh,even Tilden H.S. had`ave`L'boys'[from
Canarsie]oh,was anyone`scared'of the rumor that the`Fordham Baldies'were coming down from`da bronx'to shave heads of what
ever H.S.WE went to,& cut off girls ponytails & beat up our
H.S.teams?..there never was a gang called`Fordham Baldies'it
was an`Urban Legend'..many of US believed!..no?

Allan: 15th Nov 2008 - 19:53 GMT

Never heard of that last gang you mentioned. I went to Wingate HS and in 1959 or 60 some gang member from the Pigtown gang stabbed a CXhaplain with a fork. I remember distinctly how that school was surrounded by cop cars when we went home. Yeah, .22 caliber zip guns made from car antennaes. I remember hearing about one guy, he played basketball for Wingate, who initially didn't realize he had been shot until he saw the blood. Boys HS and Wingate HS played for city championship in 1960. The news writers said it was for national championship that's how good those teams were. Boys had Connie Hawkins and Wingate had Roger Brown. Oh, Boys won.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 15th Nov 2008 - 22:21 GMT

ALLAN,I went to PS 167 w/Roger Brown,I wonder where HE is now?
in fact,I gave HIM HIS 1st taste of a Knish[from Greff's on
st.John's pl.&`Skin-Neck-Titty'..it was a Potato,..& HE did
like it!..in fact,Juan Clemente was w/US..but it wasn't the
same guy dat played baseball!..why? it was back in `57!yow!

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 18th Nov 2008 - 22:16 GMT

I remember gettingth polio vaccine.It wasthe only time Iwent to the nurses office on the second floor. I remember squatting in the corridor at the time of the Korean War in1951, and that everyone got dogtags. My Mother told me tht the B on it stood for BAD. I remember the proms of PS 167 in PS 221. There was a parade of War Veterans on SterlingPlae.Does anyone remember it.They were all quite old.Perhapsitwason Veteran's Day? I remeber tht some children had hot lunches in the girl'sbasemntand about wha the ook/waitress lookedlike.the was a luchroom for children who brought thir lunch with them.There was a time when milk and drinks were delivered to the classrooms at 10 Am.Whoever wanted someting had to order a week earlier. Milk cost 4 cents and orange drink 10 cents. This was considered a luxury and expensive.Children who went with their famiies to upstate bungalow colonies always left school in the middle of June. I rememberplaying jumprope and bouncing a ball under my knee as street games.There were songs for these games.(A My name is Alice...; one-two,buckle my shoe..; Fire,Fire,false alarm......;) I can't think of any more now.

Allan: 19th Nov 2008 - 00:23 GMT

Now that you mention it, I seem to recall two(2) basement areas. One for boys the other for the girls. The one for the boys was towards the west, I think(?). However, I don't recall any kids leaving early for summer bungalows.
"Johnny on the pony 1, 2, 3".

Allan

Keith Bernstein: 19th Nov 2008 - 01:26 GMT

I also remember two basement areas in PS 167 used as gymnasia and remember receiving polio vaccine in the east basement area, probably in 1955.

Esther has brought up an old memory. During the 1952-53 school year (I was in kindergarten with the aforementioned Miss Shapiro) we were issued "identification tags" that looked like our fathers' army "dog tags" that we were to wear to school every day. Years later, my mother told me that authorities were concerned that in the event of a sneak attack, our bodies would only identifiable by the metal tags worn around our necks. What a thought! Incidentally, I seem to remember that Miss Shapiro got married during that year.

Aside from punchball and stoop ball, the favorite street games of the boys who played on EP (south side) between Troy and Schenectady were Hide-And-Go-Seek and Ringolivio.

After fifty years, I still miss the knish store (it was called "Silver's", wasn't it?) on St John's Place between Utica and Rochester.

Stan: 19th Nov 2008 - 03:19 GMT

In the 40's we were also issued dog tags but they were plastic.

I still have mine.

Richie Rubin: 19th Nov 2008 - 04:06 GMT

ALL of YOU; there was a barbershop next to`Silver's knishes,
`Martin's'was it's name..& Ronson's'drugs was on corner of
St.Johns pl.& Utica,x from Miller's cigar store/luncheonette,
the`Corner bar'& Sam Ash[formally:Angelo the shoemaker]& does
anyone remember`Woolworth's on Utica nr.Lincoln? great grilled
cheese & malteds @ it's lunch counter,hmm,a real .5 &.10!& they
sold model airplanes/ships/cars..cheaper than hobby shops!..
& speaking of `cheap'..`Cheap Sam's' was on St.Johns pl.next
to`Freidman's sporting goods'..which had one of those x-ray
gadgets that WE saw OUR toe bones thru..I wonder if all those
years of[almost]daily x-rays...well..think about it!OY!

Peter: 19th Nov 2008 - 06:26 GMT

any chance you guys have photos of the neighborhood (or brooklyn in general) from back in the day? after following this thread, id really love to actually see some of it. if you need help posting them here or getting them online, email editors@citynoise.org :)

Richie Rubin: 19th Nov 2008 - 14:35 GMT

PETER;try: > brooklynpix.com < great pics of All neighborhoods!
& > nycsubway.org

Peter: 19th Nov 2008 - 16:26 GMT

oh yeah, ive seen those sites, richie, good stuff. i was just hoping to see more "personal" photos. snapshots can show much more "life" (so to speak) than non-candid shots of streets and storefronts :)

Richie Rubin: 20th Nov 2008 - 03:56 GMT

Peter; i know;WE all got some of dem pics[taken on a`Brownie'
w/upside down images in viewer!.no? but many of`em are in`Family albums' & so old[some]photos are falling apart[or did already!]
the personal pix are so much better[`dated'fashions,for example,
& WE wore`em!also,many family pix had`the car'.yep.some of them
no longer made:Studebaker,Packard,Henry J.,Kaiser,Frazier,Nash,
LaSalle,Imperial,Checker,DeSoto,Oldsmobile,Hudson,Reo,Edsel,etc.
[most of US didn't own foreign cars.`til VW came to U.S.A in`50's,
& even then,they were rare!]hmm,I remember when`fedora'style hats
were `in'..ALL men looked like `mobsters'& wore suits..to boot!
then JFK went hat/suit/tie/less,& men's fashion changed 4-ever!

Richie Rubin: 20th Nov 2008 - 19:47 GMT

Allan;I think Sheldon[Shelly]Finkel lived in YOUR b'ldg[?]
I believe HE became a fight promoter/mgr[?]&`handled'Mike Tyson
do YOU know anything of this &`Shelly'Finkel..do any of Youse
out dere know/remember Him?,I'D like to get in touch!

Allan: 21st Nov 2008 - 00:26 GMT

Richie,

That name sounds familiar but that's about all. Did you play punchball or participate in any of the street games played on Union St?

Allan

Richie Rubin: 21st Nov 2008 - 01:57 GMT

Allan;yep,I also played in Lincoln Terrace pk[base/basket/softball,
w/guys from your blk & general`hood[even played in a`Blackhawks vs
Pigtown'football game..`rough tackle'..many of US got hurt!but it
fended off a`gangwar'& WE shook hands & went to `White Castle'for
.10 cent burgers & Orange`crush'..yummmy![losers[US]paid!]I did
play`skelly&`chinese'[handball]in Your courtyard! & `stoopball'
down the block,..traffic & all!I also went up on the roof w/shelly
& Joel Bercy & Judy Oshinsky & her brother Alan,to see fireworks
july 4th,1958..but,alas,coney isl.was too f-a-r away!

Allan: 21st Nov 2008 - 03:09 GMT

If I recall correctly, and that's not likely, Judy O was a grade behind me and my brother a grade behind her. The building with the "courtyard" was down the block towards Utica. I lived closer to Schenect. There were a few kids in the two buildings that were centered by that courtyard. As I recall, there was a girl, Annette Gardner who lived there. She was my age. As I sit here a few other names come to mind: Barbara and Sarah Wallach. Both in my class. They were cousins but both lived in same building on the corner of Pres. & Schenect. Steven Frank(had polio that paralized an arm) and Joel Rosencrantz(?) are other names I recall. We used to play 'off-the-was', right near Schenect. I know we broke several windows on the side opposite the wall during those games. Also, we had to go to roofs a lot for balls hit on them while playing stickball.

You may be interested in this. Playboy magazine did an article titled, "Streetgames", I think in 1971. It was a historical review (40s, 50s and 60s) about the sections of NYC and what games were played by whom. I think I saved a copy of the article somewhere. It was a good article, nostalgic and I need to find it.
Any of this ring a bell?

Allan

Off the Wall: 21st Nov 2008 - 06:03 GMT

is eastern parkway down with michael jackson?!

wut wut!

Howard : 21st Nov 2008 - 11:09 GMT

I saw Harry Truman in a motorcade campaigning for President riding through Eastern Parkway. It was Petach Tikvah (Gate of Hope)on Lincoln Place & Rochester Ave. . For a couple of years Dubrow's had a large upscale ice cream store called The Founteria on Utica & Lincoln Pl. where you could make your own sundaes and be charged for the whole thing by a cashier. There was a Normandie Bakery on Utica Ave with excellent baked goods.. Topps was the sporting goods store on Utica for baseball gloves, etc.
Catherine Califano was my first and second grade teacher at PS 189, ENY & Buffalo Aves.. Her son, Joseph, became the HEW Cabinet Secretary in the Johnson Administration. He appears on TV sometimes even now. Jacob Rubel was the Principal at PS 189 who died when I was in the sixth grade. There was a tree planted in front of the school as a memorial and Minnie Hershowitz, the Asst Principal, selected my poem for me to read at the dedication ceremony, my first public speaking appearance. Many years later, when I was in college, I met her in the street and introduced myself. She was a warm, charming woman, not the tough, intimidating person that I remembered to be.
Would love to see comments from anyone who shares these memories with me.

Richie Rubin: 21st Nov 2008 - 14:52 GMT

Allan;I thought YOU lived in Judy O's b'ldg[w/courtyard]but I
guess YA didn't!dat's why I mentioned Joel Bercy,Shelly Finkel,& Alan & Judy Oshinsky[not YOUR`Bro..I didn't know Him[?]did YOU
know Joanie Borrusso[Union st.cor.of Skin-neck-titty ave.]a floor
above`Pachman's'candystore around corner!check out`Google Earth'
& YOU'LL see:bldgs close to Utica ave.had BIG courtyards!

Allan: 21st Nov 2008 - 18:34 GMT

Richie,

I DID live in the same building as Judy O. We both lived on the first floor. I was in the front. Her family in the back. She had a male dog 'Nipper' and I had a female named 'Tippy'. We used to let them out in the back to do their stuff. Ended up with two litters from their mating as well. Now, if by 'courtyard' you mean a fairly large enclosed space between our building and the adjacent one, yes there was that. But it was at a lower level and more like just open space. From the front of the buildings you could access that area through the celler stairs and passed the basement storage area. Beyond that area was a corridor to the backyard that was long, somewhat narrow, and bordered by the rooftops of garages of houses on President St. We used to play some games in that backyard, climb on the garage rooftops or hop over to President St.

No, that name doesn't ring a bell.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 22nd Nov 2008 - 01:26 GMT

Allan;well,dat BIG space `twixt bldgs seemed like a`courtyard/atrium']WE[on St,Johns pl.]didn't have any`open spaces'like YOU Union st.kids had,but WE had a`backyard'w/fences
WE climed over & were in a`strange'woyld'..some folks even had nice
fruit/vegi.gardens[on Sterling pl.]& on `Google Earth'YOU can see
those`forbidden gardens![or @ least where they were,5+decades ago!

Howard : 22nd Nov 2008 - 11:03 GMT

Anybody remember playing "Knucks"? Packs with the rubber heel of a shoe? Marble season?
Knish carts. Tormenting the matron at the Carroll theater on Crown and Utica on Sat afternoon at the "matinee". Buying a Mother's Day gift at Dajul's on Utica.
The Chinese restaurant on Rutland Rd. on the second floor next to the El, where the tables shook when the trains went by.
Getting a BLT at Phil's on Montgomery & Utica.
The "Pit", the pool parlor in the basement at Utica & ENY Ave.

Allan: 22nd Nov 2008 - 15:02 GMT

Howard,

Now that you mention it, I do remember playing 'knucks'. Not recalling how the number of knucks were determined but I think we used a deck of cards. Something about you could decide to get hit with the knucks one way and it counted for 2 or another way that counted for 1. As I also recall, if you were the punisher you were not allowed to raise the deck more then a certain height. After all, we did have certain rules and limitations to the amount of cruelty we could hand out! I am certain that there were days that my knuckles were raw and days when they weren't. I recall heels of shoes being used for something but not exactly sure. I thought they were used for brakes on the 'streetcarts' we made. Remember the oranges crates nailed on top of a wood slab(usually the bottom of a bed frame)? Then you put the wheels from a roller skate under the slab. Bottlecaps would add some design to the cart. Marbles wasn't played that much but we did collect them as well as cards and comics. Gee, if we had only known how valuable they'd be years later.

"Tormenting the matron at the Carroll theater on Crown and Utica on Sat afternoon at the "matinee". Buying a Mother's Day gift at Dajul's on Utica." Definitely!!!!!

"The Chinese restaurant on Rutland Rd. on the second floor next to the El, where the tables shook when the trains went by." Yes!

"Getting a BLT at Phil's on Montgomery & Utica." No, but we always went to the appetizing store right next to it, or at least nearby on Utica. We also went to the Deli on Utica off President St.

"The "Pit", the pool parlor in the basement at Utica & ENY Ave." Yes, after I started high school(1959). I wasn't very good at pool so I only went there a few times. The 'Pit' also had bowling with the smaller balls and pins. Hit the 1/5 head on and all you knocked down were those 2 pins. A score of 100 was considered excellent. Friend of mine spent a lot of time there... Mark Birnbaum.

Wow, everytime someone writes something it brings back memories.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 22nd Nov 2008 - 15:50 GMT

Allan,Howard;`da Pit'was`PigTown'gang's hdqtrs as was`York Diner'
across Lefferts ave.from`White Castle'great Pizza joint next door
to`basement'Pit'.free Pizza when B'klyn Dodgers won series in`55,
& some deli's gave away franks & knishes!,what a day!remember
`Happy Felton's Knothole Gang'?[on tv before games]Kids from
B'klyn became`pitchers'..I was on it..& threw 4-`balls'to Roy
Campanella[Dodger's Catcher]but he caught`em!..what a fun team!

Allan: 22nd Nov 2008 - 16:11 GMT

Does anyone recall the 'Field Day' that took place in June at a track field? I don't recall the name. As I recall, it was for the 7th and 8th graders at 167 and possibly other elementary schools?

As I recall The Pit had 'Duckpin Bowling'.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 22nd Nov 2008 - 19:54 GMT

Allan,`Twas:>Boy's High Field on Maple st.[I won`softbsall throw'
@ dat yearly event!

Arnie H: 25th Nov 2008 - 01:05 GMT

I taught first grade in 167 back in the late 60's. Is anyone on here from that era?

Richie Rubin: 25th Nov 2008 - 01:20 GMT

Arnie H; hmm,I was a`hippie'attending`Fillmore East,'Electric Circus,Village`haunts'& awaiting`WoodStock'in late`60's..after
`WoodStock'I went to`Altamount'fiasco in N.Calif...but`twas in
winter[Dec.`69]& I was wearing shorts& sandals & riding a`HOG'
while getting a tan!.yep,calif.was such a different place/life
`69 was MY last yr as a N.Y`er..I visit on occasion & always go
to old`hood..& P.S.167!,& smile thinking of MY youth there!what
an education US Brooklynites had!both in school,& on da streets!
da games,foods,ethnic make-up,smells..well,YOU know what I mean!

Arnie H: 25th Nov 2008 - 01:25 GMT

Richie I know only too well what you mean. I'm now in N.J. for over 30 years and still miss Brooklyn..... There's no place like home!!!.... I guess Dorothy knew it all the time.

Jane: 26th Nov 2008 - 01:31 GMT

I had to comment. This is awesome. I was born in 1949 and I lived at 1587 Carroll Street which is between Carroll and Schnectady. I lived there until I was 12 years old. I went to PS 221. My memories are very fond ones and I wish that I could bring all of this back. It was a great time to grow up and we didn't have much but we had a lot of friends, loads of laughs and people were much nicer to each other. Does anyone remember the Sugar Bowl? It was a luncheonette. The owners were always betting on sporting events. On the corner of Carroll and Utica was a children's store called Tops and next to them was the Sugar Bowl. There was Jack's which sold the best appetitizing in all of Brooklyn. There was Shore's grocery store, Dilberts which was a superette, Radow's hardware, Fried Pharmacy, a meat store called Arista and vegetable place and a fish store. I think the fish store was Tony's. The Deli was Joe's and a pizza store on the corner. Across the street Glowmart a beauty salon, Ganick a shoemaker, Ronnie Lynn a ladies specialty shop and Ben Rose which was also a ladies shop. I can remember Victory Card shop which sold toys. The lady that owned it was named Betty. On President Street I took dancing lessons from Miss Shirley at the President Chateau which was a wedding hall. Miss Shirley wore the nicest perfume. I wish I knew the name of it. Does anyone remember Joyland which was a children's shoe store? Harvery's Jewelers, Verson was a handbag store. My parents used to take me to the Carroll movie theater and we always ate across the street at a Chinese restaurant. The food was great and it was always crowded. That restaurant was on Utica between Crown and Montgomery. There was a beauty salon on the block of the restaurant called Rainbow. Above the Carroll movie was another dancing school run by a Miss Phyllis. Next to the Carroll was a Knish place. I remember the Normandie bakery and there was another bakery called Jay's Does anyone recall an Italian restaurant on the same block as the Twin Cantors? The restaurant had wonderful food. The tablecloths were red and white checked and on the tables there were lit candles. My cousins lived above the deli on St. John's and Schnedtady that was mentioned a couple of times. The toy store was called Wolf's. It was a few door down from Henke's meat market where my mother bought the most delicious pork chops and steaks. St. John's Place had London and Fishberg which I think sold fruits and vegetables. I had another cousin who loved on St. John's and Utica above Ronson Drugs. Across the street on the corner was a bar and down the block was a pet shop called Hilltop. My cousins went to PS 167 and their last name was Ross. I hung out with Marcia Kaplan, Roberta Smigel, Lynette Brustein. Some of the people that lived on my block who were older then me were the Bigmans (Arlene & Irwin), Larry Moranis, The Yagoda family, Charles Morris, Adrian Meppin who became a producer for WCBS TV News. I remember a place called Celian Manor which was on Pitkin Avenue near Easter Parkway and Buffalo. Does anyone out there remember it? I hope that I've sparked a few memories. You can e-mail me at jgo262@aol.com I would love to hear from people from the old hood. By the way I pass it everyday on my way to work. It certainly has changed like everything else.

Richie Rubin: 26th Nov 2008 - 02:02 GMT

JANE;wowie!.YOU got some memory!.now;it ALL iz comink back to ME!
I lived on St.Johns pl.nr.Utica ave.& am 7[seven]yrs YER SR,ergo,
YOU were a`squirt'when I bowled @`da Pit'& danced @ many`affairs'
@`President Chateau'& consumed `tons'of pickled herring & chopped
livah &`belly'& lox & delish.sturgeon from JACK's appettizink.oy!
&`pletzels',bialys & shmaltz..surprisink I'M shtill alive!& hale!
[livink in Calif.can take yrs off!,really!,but what a`hood!nuttin'
like it out west..in fact;nuttin'like it anyplace..evah again!

Allan: 26th Nov 2008 - 02:31 GMT

Richie,

In the summer of '69 I was a counselor at a camp in PA. Several of us bought tickets for Woodstock and we were able to get there by a backroad from PA up to NY. We parked a few miles away and walked the rest. Got there in time to hear the announcement that it was a free concert. Was there for the entire event. Funny thing was, we went there for the music. During the concert the group of us stayed in the 'stadium area' so we could see as well as hear the performers. Years later I went to the theater to watch the movie. It was then that I realized that, while I was at Woodstock, I didn't see 1/2 of what was going on. Regardless, it was some experience.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 26th Nov 2008 - 14:39 GMT

ALLAN; wowie!..Woodstock was/is shtill da #1[Musical,etc.] event I
& probably YOU ever attended[even tho'both of US didn't see/hear
MOST of it!,hadda`gay shluffen'..no? but when I woke up & looked
around ME,yikes! 1/2 million new neighbors!Whew!I even saw MYSELF
in da`Woodstock'film!what 3 daze![I bought a 1 day ticket,& worth it!]I'M still in touch w/Wavy Gravy..HE lives in Beserk-ly,ca.&
shtill dresses like his clownful self![derby & all]did anybody
else reading this splendid site go to woodstock 39+ yrs ago? if
so..good for US! an event of a lifetime!..no?

Allan: 26th Nov 2008 - 15:35 GMT

Richie - YES, it was! This coming August 12th is the 40th anniversary. I'm planning on going to the site during the festivities. You probably know that there have been events at Yasgur's Farm just about every summer since '69 but this could be special. Think I'll go watch the movie, for the upteenth time, later today.

Allan

Keith Bernstein: 26th Nov 2008 - 18:30 GMT

Jane--you have brought up some nice memories. I am a couple of years older than you and lived on EP and Troy. I used to go to the Carroll for the Saturday matinees (26c or 30c in the '50s). My cousin had a birthday party one year at the Sugar Bowl and I used to get cookies at the Normandie Bakery (my friend's mom worked there). The day my family moved from Crown Heights to Canarsie, my sister and I were sent to the Carroll to see the movie and to the Chinese restaurant (it did have great food) across the street to keep us out of the way; afterwards, we took the Remsen Ave bus to our new home. That was the last time I went to the Carroll or the restaurant. Thanks for posting.

anon (cpe-67-244-9-153.nyc.res.rr.com): 27th Nov 2008 - 13:44 GMT

This really is a great site. I used to play basketball agsint Ronnie Bly in 1962. He was made of steel but could be muscled and did not movie without the ball. I knew Bobby Fisher very well.He was messed up early on, hovering at the edge of insanity. His mother hovered over him. She didn't know what to do about him. She was desperate. I think Bob Sackheim went to the Naval Academy. Ben and Sol's insulted you like family; Radin's didn't. Rae's on Carrrol Street where one had the best egg creams was closed down by the Health Department. Rae's on President and Franklin had the best slightly rancid tuna fish sandwiches with pickles and had a raffish atmosphere; the joint across the street was more adult and had a bookie. Matty Paris holycity@juno.com

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 27th Nov 2008 - 21:33 GMT

I agree,this is really a nice site.It is nice to think back on Memory Lane. I remember the "field days", in Boys High Field on Maple Street. In my day,it started in fifth grade.
ther was a potato race. I remember so many classes marching down Schenectedy Avenue and having to be so quiet.
I lived on Sterling Place,but don't remeber any houses with vegetable gardens. I lived on Sterling Place between Kingson Avenue and Hampton Place. Therefore I remember most of the stores along Kingston Ave. There was a Fish store on Kingston Ave. near Lincoln Place. There was always sawdust on the floor there. There were nice gardens in front of the apartment houses between the school and Troy Ave. Two of them had hedges in the garden shaped like furiture.
I remember the hird grade trip to the BronxZoo. I thought that it was so nice,much nicer than the pProspect ParkZoo. I remember the trip to the Museum of Natural History in a higher grade. Do teachers still take classes on a trip by subway?

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 27th Nov 2008 - 21:48 GMT

Hopethat you don'tmindmewriting again. I just had a quick glance at this site.HELEN BITZER wrote last year about her frineds.I remember Frances & Irwin Eisenstein, and their Mother as one of the teachers. She used to like Julia Australa very much. She was probably a very good student and a very good girl. I wasn't in her class,but knew about this. I remember that she was quite pretty.

aj schure: 28th Nov 2008 - 14:47 GMT

i lived on president between troy and schenactady from 1944-1965 ps 167 graduated 1958 went to wingate then marines joel prussin and i still close to this day he also went to 167 anyone out there remember us? was back to the hood 2yrs ago it looks good and better in some areas!!

Allan: 28th Nov 2008 - 16:45 GMT

aj,

Don't remember you but I was/am a year younger. Lived on Union between Schenectidy and Utica, moved to the corner of Carroll and Schenectidy in '57 and graduated 167 in 1959. Lots of us post-war babies in that 'hood and we mostly played our street games on Union St.

Allan

Jane: 28th Nov 2008 - 19:14 GMT

Allan, You say that you lived on the corner of Carroll and Schenectidy? Did you live at 1587? If so, we lived in the same building. I probably know you. I knew mostly everyone who lived there. I do recall an Allan who lived there and had a brother but I don't remember his name.

Allan: 28th Nov 2008 - 23:21 GMT

Jane,

Yes, that was the address. We moved there in 1957 and then moved after my sophomore year at Wingate. My brothers name is Steve. Sorry, but I don't recall your name. The only names that come to mind from Carroll St. are two girls who were twins. Barbara and Andrea Brown. They lived (pretty sure) across the street and down towards Utica Ave.

Allan

Jane: 29th Nov 2008 - 00:29 GMT

Allan,

This is funny but I do know you. I lived on the first floor. My entrance was a private one where you had to walk up about seven stairs. As you entered the building, it was on the right side. You would not remember me because I was still in grade school. Was your mother's name Esther? If so, you lived next door to my mother's cousin Sarah. She was a senior citizen a short heavy set lady. Did you have a dog or did your grandmother come to visit with a little dog? I knew Bobbie and Andy Brown. They were identical twins and even their mother had a tough time in telling them apart. They did live across the street. The twins had a sister who was older than they were. My friend's brother used to go out with her. This is crazy it certainly is a very small world.

Richie Rubin: 29th Nov 2008 - 05:38 GMT

ALL of`YOUSE';Brooklyn ain't no small woyld!:2-1/2 million!
BIGGER den most U.S.cities!,but;to re-aqquaint on dis site
folks WE haven't seen,heard from in >5[five] decades!0y!&
even lived in same b'ldg?..now,it becomes small,oh,I'M in
touch w/Julia Astralla[formerly of 1399 st.Johns pl.]SHE
lives in UTAH now..& was MY[late]Sister TERI's good friend
I have HER e-mail address!& there were gardens on Sterling pl.
`twixt Utica &`Skin-neck-titty'aves.what a site!..no?

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 1st Dec 2008 - 12:45 GMT

Mr. AJ shure- you graduated from PS167 in 1958,the same year as I did. Sorry, I don't think that I remember you.What is/was yur first name? The name Joel Prussin rings a bell. Wasn't he Anita Seldes boyfriend?
I think that the name Teri Rubin also sounds famiiar to me.What year did she graduate?
I remember"bad boys" opening the fire hydrants on hot days.
I thinktht then everyone had a group of street friends. Does anyone remember Stuart and Jan Gottlieb from Hampton Place corner Sterling Place. They were part of the group of my street friends. There was also a Kenny that lived on the opposite corner. He had many younger siblings and a blond Mother. The Principal after Mr.Lodato was Mortimer somebody,or maybe tht was his family name.

Keith Bernstein: 1st Dec 2008 - 14:45 GMT

Esther--In 1958-59 the new principal was Mortimer J Abromowitz. In addition, my former teacher Mrs Frances V Bono became assistant principal. I remember her being a very smart and no-nonsense teacher. Amazing what one remembers after 50 years, especially now when I can never remember where I last put my glasses!

aj schure: 1st Dec 2008 - 14:50 GMT

my name is arnie joel lived on st johns troy n albany my 8th grade teacher was mr hawkins other friends were the brunis who lived on lincoln pl

Richie Rubin: 1st Dec 2008 - 15:26 GMT

AJ SHURE;I usta play stickball in PS 167 schoolyard w/BRUNIs[John?]
who live across da street!HE was MY age,HE also`hung out @ Harry's
[later Benny's]poolroom on St.Johns pl.near Utica theater! as did
joseph/Tim Brennan, 2 wild kids!did anyone know them? & do You
remember:`JD cards'[Juvenile Deliquent]back then,it was cool to
have one..it made a kid fell`tougher'& respected..but dat was`50's
WE got away w/many what now would be`illegal',things/life sure has
changed..no?

Jane: 1st Dec 2008 - 22:18 GMT

Keith,
Thank you for the nice comments. I'm glad I brought back some nice memories. You stated that your friend's mother worked at the Normandie Bakery. My mom and I would shop there and one of the salesladies would let me pick out a cookie from time to time. Her name was Emily and she had blonde hair and wore glasses. Could this have been your friend's mother? You mentioned that you moved to Canarsie. I also moved to Canarsie. What street did you live on? I was on East 104th Street between N and Seaview. Have you been back there lately? Nothing is the same. None of the stores that I remember are there anymore. Mostly schlock stores. By the way, I passed P.S. 167 just this afernoon and the whole building is being renovated.

Keith Bernstein: 1st Dec 2008 - 23:20 GMT

Jane--The lady who worked at Normandie Bakery was named Rosalie. I lived on E 84th St between Avenues L and M and visited Canarsie a couple of years ago and everything seems different from my memories. The Avenue L shopping area has really declined in quality and I miss Grabstein's deli and the Charcoal Chef across from the Bayview project. My Nov 3 posting contains a link to a Board of Ed document that describes the poor condition of the PS 167 building (it is almost 100 years old) as well as many photos.

aj schure: 2nd Dec 2008 - 04:30 GMT

i knew tim an joe brenen john bruni was in my class he died in a car wreck im stil in touch wit his brothers i belive the brenens mother was shot an killed in the old hood

Richie Rubin: 2nd Dec 2008 - 14:57 GMT

AJS,I knew several folk who were murdered in old`hood',yep,it did
change..for`da woyst',WE probably can't walk da streets safely @
nite..anymore..& chain-link fences/bars on many of da b'ldgs I usta
play/hang-out in[esp.on St.Johns pl.]a sad state OUR former living
quarters/spaces has come to,I visit often,& it brings ME to tears
to see the deterioration/seedy/slum/ness our old`stamping grounds has come to..FEH!

aj schure: 3rd Dec 2008 - 02:26 GMT

RR:in what year did you graduate ps167??ikenw judy rubin any relation?

Allan: 3rd Dec 2008 - 03:18 GMT

anon,

I'm probably wrong but for some reason your name seems to ring a bell. What years did you go to high school and, if you remember, did you wear a lot of plaids back then?

Allan

aj schure: 3rd Dec 2008 - 04:41 GMT

allan:iwent to wingate 1958-1961ibelieve 1year i did wear plaids i was a skinny kid kinda tall 5!11 went to school with a llyod tuman was friends 4 a short time did anyone remember a freddie peddle?he live in the same building as me he was a year older

Richie Rubin: 3rd Dec 2008 - 15:33 GMT

Allan,AJS;I graduated p.s.167 in`57[not`58]& went to Tilden HS,
I also`hung out'w/Freddie Pedals,a blonde irish guy who laughed
a lot!WE went to`da PIT'to play Pool/bowl..He was good!& always
had a`ciggie'behind His ear!I have an e-mail that Eddie Poska
sent ME w/a pic of Mr.Moe Klores class![`59?]I'll seek it out
& send it to YOU >Allan K..YOU'LL All get a good chuckle!..no?

Allan: 3rd Dec 2008 - 20:41 GMT

I recall that name (Klores) as a teacher but that's about it. I think I have a class photo from the 5th grade. That would've been 1956. If I can find it I'll try to figure out how to post it somehow. May be able to find other photos from 'da hood' too.

Allan

Julia Astralla: 3rd Dec 2008 - 22:31 GMT

Does anyone remember that Mr. Abramowitz was the principal @ 167, in 57-58 ? I lived on st. john's place, off utica ave.
Did anyone like me, have their sweet 16 (FAMILY PARTY) @ dubrow's ? those were the days !
Does anyone remember a butcher store on sterling place, (I THINK ....) run by a Joe Maggio ? he was my uncle !
best teacher @ ps. 167 in the day, MR. BERHARD ............write back, littlegarbanzobean@yahoo.com

Allan: 4th Dec 2008 - 00:21 GMT

Julie,

Yes. Mr Abramowitz was the principal. I had Mr. Berhard(Bernhart?) for 'homeroom' in the 8th grade (1958). Don't recall if I had him for any specific subject though. He was a fairly big guy and on the first day of class he challenged the biggest kid to an arm wrestling match. He won and used that to let us know he was the baddest guy in the class.

Allan

aj schure: 4th Dec 2008 - 03:32 GMT

of all the teachers i had through ps167 mr klores will always stand out as the best teacher that i ever had!!wonder if they still turn out teachers like him

Richie Rubin: 4th Dec 2008 - 04:16 GMT

ALL of youse;If a person has da`chutzpah'to wanna teach dese days,
I give`EM more den credit!..it just ain't da same! kids didn't
carry guns..or beat up teachers!..no?..ALL OUR teachers were
terrif;but didn't hafta put up w/what's happenin'nowadaze!.no?
& Mr.Bernhard's MOM taught @ ps 167..remember HER?[tough!]as was
Mrs.Tillman![early -mid`50's]

Peter: 4th Dec 2008 - 04:52 GMT

Aj, Are you related to Albert? I'm pretty sure I recall an Al B. Schure in that neighborhood...

Carol Cohen (FOXY): 5th Dec 2008 - 00:13 GMT

Allen,
Please don't refer to me as a blur I really exist and my name is Carol Cohen. Judy Oshinsky and I were good friends and I lived on Eastern Parkway and Utica Ave., right next to St. Mathews Church. If either me or the gang wasn't on Union St. then we were at the parkway benches, my window or Durbrows. Those days we were about 15 kids who came from St. Johns Place, President St. and Union St., etc., and we were called the "gang" and the older people were afraid of us not because we did anything but because there were so many of us.Those days were the best.

By the way some of you might remember me as FOXY.

I want to thank you all for writing and bringing back these wonderful memories. Thanks to Richie Rubin for informing me about this cite.
Always, Foxy

Allan: 5th Dec 2008 - 01:29 GMT

Carol(Foxy),

When did you attend/graduate from 167? As I recall, Judy was a year younger than I. She had a friend, Roni ____ (something), from north of Eastern Parkway (I think) who stopped by her apartment frequently. That name familiar? Are there names of others you knew who I might remember? Those of us who lived on or came to Union St. played games that required open space near Schenectedy. There were no trees up that way. For non-ball games and stoopball, we moved down towards Utica. That's where the private houses with stoops and trees were. I also went to Dubrow's a lot. My grandparents hung out there and I had family right across on Eastern Parkway.

Allan

Richie Rubin: 5th Dec 2008 - 02:06 GMT

Allan,Foxy;now dis site is really becomink interestink!gee,it's
almost like a`cyber-reunion'.hey!..it is!..no? little by little
us`kids'from Crown Hts & especially P.S 167 are joinink dis`blog'
if dis technology existed 5[five]decades ago..WHEW!.WE'D nevah
have`lost'touch w/eachudda..no?.somewhere I have Judy O's e-mail
& ph.#[I saw HER in S.Fla.a few yrs ago!]I'LL attempt to find it.
hey!Julia A;I told ya dis site was kick-butt!didja know`FOXY'Cohen?

Julia Astralla ?: 5th Dec 2008 - 23:50 GMT

first to RR. Yeah, I know 'FOXY Cohen" didn't she marry Jackie Nolan ? (One of Tommy O'Malley's friends ? )
to everyone else ................... Indulge me please !
Who else besides me stood in that long,long line at the very last rock 'N' roll show at the brooklyn paramount ? (weren't they fantastic ? ) does anyone remember the one-hit wonder singing group, the SKTLINERS, (I think....) lived somewhere on utica ave. over a funeral home. that's what I was told by a girl, who dated one of them, they were cousins, and a brother !who remembers *NECKING* at the utica theater, someof them for me, are talking-heads on this site. who also can remember what the last movie was before it got torn down for that dumb A & P ? last movie I saw at the CARROLL theater, on a date with a cute soldier, was called "TOWN WITHOUT PITY*, did anyone else see that there ? I had avery diverse, very eclectic bunch of friends, @ WINGATE, if any of you are out there, please answer back .......... Linda Appelbaum, Harriet Lipschitx, Susan Berke, Lenore Gregor, Annie sasso, or Marianne D'Angelo ?

Richie Rubin: 6th Dec 2008 - 01:45 GMT

Julia A;da`Skyliners'were from cleveland,ohio.& nevah lived in
b'klyn,but stayed & St.George hotel durink concerts!&Carole Cohen
didn't marry Jackie Nolan..Helen Blitzer did!WE all useta go to
`Town Hill'to see terrific shows..& needless to type/say dem R&R
shows[Murray the K']@ Fox /Paramount[da`wmca good guys']were wild!
& before da shows.dere was alwaze a crappy`B'movie[make-out time!]

usmcsniper1: 7th Dec 2008 - 01:15 GMT

It really is wild to hear about all the good memories people have about Eastern Pkwy. We moved to 1098 Eastern Pkwy directly across the street from St Matthews Church. My aunt attended catholic school there and remember her getting ready for school. My grandparents had a great apartment #5 with great views of the Pkwy. My family later moved to apt#12 in 1966 when I was 5 yrs old. Originally we sold our house on Mermaid Ave in Coney Island. To be honest with you I hated living there as the neighborhood was on the decline. One can tell that it used to be a great neighborhood back in the 1920's- 1950's. After ten years in that dump, glad to move to SheepsheadBay with my own people. The day we loaded up our moving truck and closed the apartment door #5 was the greatest day. We went from renting a shabby dreary apartment to home owners in SheepsheadBay. Just four years later we bought a nice home in Woodmere, Long Island. It was like winning the lottery, since those sad days in Eastern Parkway. Despite some hard life experiences, I am curious and would like to visit the old dump. drsruggiero@sbcglobal.net

aj schure: 7th Dec 2008 - 01:40 GMT

did any one out there know any of the sullivans!!they live on sterling between schnectady an troy?also marie desoy she went to st matt and lived on rochester near st mary hosp/

Richie Rubin: 7th Dec 2008 - 12:39 GMT

usmcsniper1;[Semper fi]geez;YOU were born[1961?]a coupla yrs after most of`US'graduated!
[P.S.167],ergo,YOU saw OUR old`hoods'sadly decline..it started in early`60'S,alas,most
of`US'moved out by then,didja go to P.S.167? if so,what was it like? let`US'know!

Allan: 8th Dec 2008 - 21:57 GMT

Julia A,

Don't recall seeing when you graduated from 167 and attended Wingate? You probably posted this info but refresh. It's funny, I can remember names if I hear them, or faces in photos, from back then. Just need something to jar the memory. A couple of names you mentioned struck a chord. I went to one, if not the last, show at the Brooklyn Paramont. Ben E. King, Drifters, Lloyd Price, Shirelles, Crests, Temptations(?), Clyde Macfatter, the Ronettes, many other individuals and groups too. What year did you mean?

Great memories.

Allan

usmcsniper1: 10th Dec 2008 - 09:41 GMT

Yes, we all went to PS167 and then to IS210 John Marshall JR High. Our homeroom was the girls gym on the fifth floor. When you are a kid things always seemed larger than life. Our fifth grade class was located at the annex huts in the school yard. Mr.Lassiter was our teacher,he was the first african teacher we had. He was great and we all loved his calm teaching style. Right now I am opening up my memory vault....uggghhh!

Allan: 10th Dec 2008 - 13:49 GMT

usmcsniper1,

"Yes, we all went to PS167 and then to IS210 John Marshall JR High".

No! PS 167 had kindergarden through 8th grade until 1958 or maybe '59. After graduation we went directly to Wingate HS. It was after one of those years that 167 switched to a 6 grade school and the graduates went to JHS. According to your own timetable you were about 10 to 15 years younger and you cannot relate to the memories being described. It's evident that in those intervening years there were changes in the neighborhood that you disliked.

Allan

Joe Blow: 10th Dec 2008 - 14:15 GMT

im really enjoying watching you guys flesh out your shared past... fascinating!

usmcsniper1: 11th Dec 2008 - 19:23 GMT

What I did not like about Eastern Pkwy, was that crime was on the way up. It was headed towards the infamous; ghetto status. Perhaps,we noticed how bad it was when we used to visit my cousin in Sheepsheadbay. Seems like I had to fight my way home from school every other day. Thank God, my mother had the insight to enroll all of us in karate otherwise I might not be here now...Ha! We used to refer to Wingate HS. as the "drug-store". I remember watching those military parades along Eastern Pkwy with my brother and sister. The year they stopped doing it, it was replaced by some stupid and meaningless carribean cluster #*@##. I even censor my own content..ha! We just did not fit into the neighborhood make-up any longer. The neighborhood was in such turmoil and transition that the older folks made every attempt to escape before becomming victims of the prevailing crime spree. I lived at 1098 Eastern Pkwy, apt#5. It was a three bedroom flat on the second floor with great view of the Pkwy. We had a great long hallway in the apartment and we played there when the weather was real inclemment. It was a great apartment, but it was not the same as having your own home. I really did appreciate the beautiful architecture and neighborhood layout, too bad the decline of the neighborhood was so brutal. If anybody has photos of the old Pkwy, I would appreciate if they post them. We did have so many nice jewish families there, and we enjoyed our friendship and respect from them. My step-father is jewish and it gives you a unique point of view about the Crown Heights Jewish community.

Doc S.......: 11th Dec 2008 - 23:31 GMT

....so the blog is being "monopolized" by those who went to P.S. 167 - nothing wrong with that, but how about us guys and gals who went to P.S.241??? Anyone else out there besides me????????????????

Bob: 12th Dec 2008 - 00:04 GMT

Crown Heights also went in the other direction, how about
P.S. 138 it existed there also!

Richie Rubin: 12th Dec 2008 - 00:33 GMT

Doc S;I don't know`bout U;but dis`site'was referred 2 ME by an ex-PS 167'er,a guy who
lived on Sterling pl.nr,Utica ave.:Steve Schiffman..do any of YOUSE know HIM?[yeah,I
tryda type`Brooklyn-ese'[like I still tawk!]hope it brings back memories..most of US
did speak dat`lingo'.& perhaps,shtill do?.no? where I live now,[& past 39 yrs]S.F Bay
Area[Beserk-ly,Ca;]I'M it!..both Brooklyn-ese & Yiddish`dyink'languages;.no?& I dont
speak Yiddish!..do any of YOUSE?..aha,just as I thought!hey!,P.S.138,241,210,191,etc.
welcome`aboard!'..

usmcsniper1: 12th Dec 2008 - 17:00 GMT

Hey, Richie Rubin! Shout out to a fellow coast transplant. I own a house in the San Leandro area, just south of Oakland. I been here since 1986, I always get homesick during the holidays. My stepfather is a jewish dentist, so I am a part-time Jew.(haha) With a name like David, working in a jewish deli, they never asked if I was Kosher. Ironically, I got that job because I was wearing the star of David at the job interview. My stepfather really enjoys celebrating both holidays...so do I!!!

Mike S: 12th Dec 2008 - 21:57 GMT

I went to PS 241 from 1959 thru 1965. I lived at 334 Eastern Parkway. Which deli did you like better -- Radins or Ben & Sol's? Did you buy candy at Bartons or Barracini's?

Richie Rubin: 12th Dec 2008 - 22:50 GMT

Mike S; BARTONS..Natch![on Eastern Pkwy & Utica]next to DUBROWS!& usmcsniper1;which
Jew deli do you work at?..in S.F.bay area? I go to SAUL's in Beserk-ly,free pickles,etc.
on table,just like`home'[B'klyn]but nuttin'out here like a real NYC deli!..no?

Rich: 12th Dec 2008 - 23:11 GMT

Hi Robyn, Rick, Stepha, Doc, Mitch and Scott
Let me start with an apology for commenting so late, I'm new to this site. We all lived in the same beautiful neighborhood with all of it's great establishments that helped our parents raise us to appreciate what we had and wish we had it all over again. Two things I'd like to say to the people who lived on the deadend block of Carroll St.: 1) The building on the corner of Franklin & Carroll was a mystery to every kid & some adults in the hood, what I know is it became the property of NYC Transit, (about the late sixties) a friend of my family worked there and he worked in the power division, before that I can't really say I remember. 2) Did anyone of you know the Chaluka family? (my spelling may not be correct) They lived on your block of Carroll St I can remember at least 3 brothers, I went to PS 241 with Jerry. Mitch, Doc, and Scott I'm one year younger than Mitch and I think I'm your Jr too Doc, Scott I believe we crossed paths. Mitch I don't think anyone would forget the drug store on the corner of E.Pkwy & Franklin. I was friends with Johnny, Woody and Herbie (who passed) they all worked there. I also remember a kid called Rusty(he had red hair) and I think he was the son of the guy who ran Radin's. I was the chubby black kid that worked behind the counter (soda jerk) for (bald headed) Barney, big Dave and Lou, the guys that ran the egg cream, ice cream and newspaper etc. store a couple of doors down from Radin's.
I lived at 1003 Carroll btwn Franklin & Bedford the oldest of 4 boys, my father was a conductor for transit. Here's a few names that I can remember from those days, I hope they ring a few bells: Hal & Scott Kaffka, Richard & Randy Vale, Mark & Barbra Zieden, Danny & his sister(don't remember her name) Cohane, Freddie & Jackie (don't remember their last name, but their parents were from Glasgow Scotland) all of the people lived on my block and they were siblings, please forgive me for any misspelling. I've posted my original comment on Oct. 23, 2008 @23:10 GMT, if anyone cares to email me I'm at: coleiii53@yahoo.com Peace and Blessings

Julia Astralla: 12th Dec 2008 - 23:28 GMT

to Allan: I graduated 167 in 1958, Wingate in 1962 !
the last paramount show was 1961 - 1962 ! (MAYBE .......) I know we had some elaborate plans of escaping the apartments, away from the folks. Thank goodness for older friends, cousins, and cousins friends, who had cars ! * WHAT WOULD WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT EM* ???????so that's why I think those were the yrs. of the final show, awhich was headlined by JERRY LEE LEWIS !Yeah Allan, I gotta agree, not only great times, but the most *SWEET* memories, of all my life ...................so where did you live ? I was located on st. john's plac, so come on back with some info. so maybe I can place you too ........................

mitch: 13th Dec 2008 - 00:22 GMT

Hi Rich...
What an amazing thing ... All through jr. high, high school and part of college I worked in my dad's store (Maiman's Pharmacy) and of course I knew Johnny and Herbie really well. I often hung out with Johnny and sometimes Herbie in the neighborhood after work. When I was younger, I took the LIRR home from Atlantic Avenue. I will never forget Herbie and me going to see Grand Funk Railroad at Shea Stadium. I knew Woody too but not as well. I still think of Herbie quite often. He was one of the first guys my dad and uncle hired when they opened the store and he stayed with them his whole working life, if I recall. What a small world. As I mentioned earlier, my brother, Scott, took over the family business and kept touch with the Lyde family. The youngest brother (name will come back to me soon) worked for my brother in the store. I wonder how Johnny made out. He had troubles even back when I knew him. If I recall, Johnny lived on Lincoln or St. John's north of Eastern Parkway. There was also a guy my age that worked for my dad for a while. His name was Billy Gardinera. I wonder what happened to him. I was an usher at his wedding. We were real good friends for a while there. I think he was living on President Street.

Of course, I remember Rusty (though I could nor remember his name 'til you mentioned it) over at Radin's. I was partial to Ben & Sol's. I am afraid I don't remember you (please don't be offended) though I do remember going into that candy store there quite often. If I had a time machine and could travel back, I would probably remember your face.

We lived on Carroll between Franklin and Bedford. Funny thing ... my rabbi way out here in Suffolk county turns out to be 2 years older than me and where did he grow up? On Carroll STreet between Bedford and Rogers.

Here's a question, does anyone remember the plaques that used to be next to the trees lining Eastern Parkway. I remember almost every tree was dedicated to the memory of someone killed during "The Great War." As a little kid, I remember wondering what they meant by "The Great War." It was only years later when I actually knew what that meant. Are those plaques still there?

BTW ... I visited the old neighborhood a couple of weeks ago with my wife. We went to the Brooklyn Museum (still one of the absolute best thought the new entrance vestibule is an abomination on the architecture). While there, I showed my wife around the neighborhood ... my old apt building, where Ebbets Field used to be, Maiman's Pharmacy, PS241, etc., etc. Driving down Franklin, the locations of the stores and restaurants kept popping into my head like it was yesterday. Memories streamed back at me... We took a walk over in Prospect Park. It's still beautiful (though it was surely cold). What a day!

mitch: 13th Dec 2008 - 00:23 GMT

p.s. to Rich ... the younger brother is Jeffery. Whew! I remembered!

Allan: 13th Dec 2008 - 14:15 GMT

To Julia,

I graduated 167 in '59. I remember the song picked by the graduating class was 'The Battle of New Orleans' by Johnny Horton. Lived at 1672 Union St until '57 then at 1587 Carroll St. Both were between Schenectedy and Utica.
This thread is kind of long (thankfully).

Doc S.......: 13th Dec 2008 - 16:22 GMT

........lived on Union, between Franklin and Bedford - went to 241, class of '54. Teachers mentioned in a previous thread....Pal'd around with Danny Hausman, Stan Pasternack. Knew others from the 'hood also..........Ben&Sol's was much noisier than Radins as I remember, probably because the teachers from 241 used to eat there at lunchtime and Radin's was a block too far, maybe. Food was great in both. I seem to remember a photo studio next to Ben and Sol's that had portraits of everyone's Bar Mitzvah and confirmation in the window

Sol: 14th Dec 2008 - 04:55 GMT

Doc,
There was Stan Pasternack.....and his brother, Roy.,both went to 241.
Brings back old memories of climbing over the BMT line fence to retrieve punch balls.

Richie Rubin: 14th Dec 2008 - 06:14 GMT

SOL;hey!.didja fall asleep w/YER finga on`Post Your Comment'? now,
WE ALL know Stan & Roy Pasternack went to PS 241 & played punchball
[a real NY`street game']didja evah punch 2[two]`sewers'?[1/2 block]

Stan N: 14th Dec 2008 - 20:41 GMT

The movie theater around the corner from the Loews Pitkin was the Loews Palace. Someone had mentioned that he had forgotten the name. I also ate a lot of the combination plates at the shaky 2nd floor Chinese restaurant next to the Sutter Ave. train station. I spent many weekend afternoons skating at the Eastern Parkway skating rink and later on saw Floyd Patterson fight there in one of his early fights when it became the Eastern Parkway Arena. I lived on E.96th St. near Rutland Road. Someone had mentioned the Jungle Jim's coconut milk drinks on Pitkin Ave. They were the best on those hot summer nights. Actually, my father and Jungle Jim immigrated from Europe on the same ship and were good friends.

Richie Rubin: 15th Dec 2008 - 05:21 GMT

Stan N;Yeah,`Jungle Jim's coconut whip' on Pitkin & Amboy was a
real .10 cent treat!..& was HE a character!across Pitkin ave.was
a knish cart[heated up w/charcoal]`MoM's'knishes were 0val & HE
put salt on it..whether YOU asked..or not!.dee-lish1,esp.washed
down w/a cold >`J.J's coconut whip!.20cent total[in `mid`50's]
then a l-o-n-g walk to Belmont ave.for`bargains'.from push-carts
from pickles to kishkes to clothing to pots & pans,all cheaper
than local stores..& most`venders'spoke yiddish or italian.no?
I miss dem nutso daze 5+[five+]decades ago!..gone..forever!

Richie Rubin: 15th Dec 2008 - 15:17 GMT

ALL of YOUSE;go to:> brooklynpix.com < & on

Richie Rubin: 16th Dec 2008 - 03:09 GMT

I don't know why my last mess.wasn't complete?,but ALL of YOUSE;
go to:> brooklynpix.com < & on

Richie Rubin: 16th Dec 2008 - 03:22 GMT

ALL,it happened..again!:> brooklynpix.com < hit`brownsville 1&2,
Belmont ave;early 1900's & 1955..w/Pushcarts!& a Baby Boom![`55]

Rich: 16th Dec 2008 - 22:00 GMT

Howya doin' Mitch,
This is truly amazing and it gets better. Thanks for your fast and friendly response. I've got a few things to say, I'll start with Herbie. A real nice guy, if he was your friend you had no worries when it came to trust he would always look out for you. Johnny still had issues (but managable) when I became of age to hand out. He was still being himself, but I've lost touch with him. Woody (the last I saw of him) didn't handle his issues well at all. The last time I spoke to Johnny and the last time I saw Woody he was out there (I think you know what I mean). I only had a nodding acquaintence with Jeffrey and might've had that with you too,(no offense taken if you don't remember me, we travaled in different circles, you were a little older and at that time a year or two made a difference). Now is when it gets better, as for Billy not only do I know him and his wife "Diveda" (spelling) here's some info I can give you to get in contact: Billy earthbank@yahoo.com and if for some reason you have some trouble here's his brother-in-law's Kenny, kthomas53@cox.net. Kenny and I keep in touch, I saw him two years ago and I saw Diveda also. I played some sandlot football with him(Billy)and Wayne Bellamy. Billy, Kenny and their families all live in San Diego and have been out there for at least 20 years. Now you and Billy can try to figure out who I am.(lol) We lived on the same block?! Now I'm really curious, what building did you live in? I didn't frequent the delis that much but Ben & Sol's was much bigger than Radin's and as an adult I went to valley stream and found ben & sol's (that's where they moved to) got a frank and was not impressed. As for your rabbi's block I had a friend named Jimmy who lived on that block, he lived on the same side of the street as the synagoge(spelling?)only in the next block. If you don't mind, I'd like to keep in touch I'm at: coleiii53@yahoo.com Peace and Blessings

mitch: 17th Dec 2008 - 01:17 GMT

long time. This is billy's (billy gardinera) brother in law kenny we was ushers in the wedding together. i see u have been in touch with rich and he contacted me to let me know you got in touch with him. I just know you as far as going to the drug store at the time. I told billy that rich wwas in contact with you and he wants to talk.
I used to go to PS 241 then to lefferts JHS. Billy said that you wa sin Nassau LOng Island working as a contractor the last that he remembers. so hope to hear from You soon.

mike s: 17th Dec 2008 - 01:36 GMT

I don't know if you are the mike I knew I was in Ps 241 at the same time my name is kenny thomas I lived at 990 president st had 3 sisters and 1 brother and I used to go to leffert JHS in the 60's.
Reading all this is so great as I did find some people that I have not seen or spoke to in years. I have been in Calif for 29 years now and visit Brooklyn in the 80,s for the last time when My brother passed away (1992) If this is not the one that I have been looking for that's okay but anyone that knows me feel free to write.

anon (ip72-197-101-228.sd.sd.cox.net): 17th Dec 2008 - 01:59 GMT

This is Kim Thomas - from 990 President St - Hey Mitch, I remember you. Your partner in Billy and Davida's wedding was a lady named Lynette Blackwood (do you remember that?). I am the baby of the bunch. My Bruz, give you the 411 a few post above. My sister and I was just talking the building right by the bridge on Carroll Street - wondering if Diane Merrit is still there - and I do believe she is... I was on President Street in September - about a half dozen of the old timers are still there - you can contact me at kims4uca@yahoo.com - looking forward to hear from you and anyone else from the old neighborhood - Be Blessed

rick: 17th Dec 2008 - 16:35 GMT

Doc S - I graduated 241 in '57, so, obviously, I am younger, but I do remember Pasternak. I am still friendly with (and have recently seen) some of the guys and girls of your vintage: Norman Schimmel, Eddie Grad, Barry Becher(all from Carroll on the Wash Ave side of the bridge)and Ruth Berkenfeld. Do you remember any of them?

Richie Rubin: 18th Dec 2008 - 01:45 GMT

ALL;[Whom went]brooklynpix.com has an older[`20's`30's?]pic
of LOEW'S PITKIN theater on

Richie Rubin: 18th Dec 2008 - 01:54 GMT

Hey? howcum MY messages keep gettin'cut short? like the last
LOEW'S PITKIN pic.on:brooklynpix.com under`theaters'on

Richie Rubin: 18th Dec 2008 - 15:05 GMT

ALL,continued:on left side margin brooklynpix.com

Editor: 18th Dec 2008 - 15:26 GMT

Richie: your unconventional use of punctuation is probably to blame for your truncated comments, as this site might interpret it as "code", particularly as symbols like ; ' [ and so on are pretty standard in website coding.

Check the following link, which explains the use of punctuation-as-formatting-code here: citynoise.org/about.php#faq11 - I see that you like to use brackets a lot... did you know that double-brackets can make a link out of any URL contained within them, etc? If you put text within double-brackets that isn't a URL, it will just simply disappear...

davida: 19th Dec 2008 - 01:19 GMT

Hi Mitchell, you were in my wedding to Bill Gardinera. I lived at 990 President st and went to Lefferts J.H.S. I have lived in California for thirty-one years now. Bill and I have two sons ages 35 and 27. We also have three grandson's. Where has the time gone. Bill lives out here in California also. He has a company now called Earthbank. Feel free to contact me at dgardinera@excite.com. This page has brought back so many memories of brooklyn. Eastern Pkwy the drug store. That's where I would come to see billy everyday. I remember your dad very well.

davida: 19th Dec 2008 - 01:25 GMT

Oh I forgot to say that I loved going to Ben and Sol for deli food. Do you remember Nino's Pizza that was the best on Franklin Ave. I still can't find good chinese food or pizza out here in California like there was in New York. I was engaged on eastern pkwy.

Peter: 19th Dec 2008 - 01:27 GMT

ninos is still there, by the way... 842 franklin, between union and president!

mitch: 19th Dec 2008 - 02:35 GMT

Davida, Rich, Kim, Kenny ... my mind is racing with all the thoughts and memories from so many years ago and it is so wonderful to hear from you all ... and that we can all still have enough memory to remember each other. As the names flash by, things pop into my head as if they were yesterday. My mind is racing so fast I don't think I'll be able to sleep. Bless you all and let's stay in touch!!

Richie Rubin: 19th Dec 2008 - 03:41 GMT

Editor;tanx..Youse is a great help! in Brooklyn-ese,natch!
I guess this kinda site ain't like ME sendink E-Shmails,I'll
not use`brackets'& cut MY puncuations,I use CAPS w/proper Names
but I'LL loyn what YA told ME..did YOU live in Brooklyn?

Doc S.......: 19th Dec 2008 - 05:35 GMT

Rick -I remember ALL of them Eddie Grad and Barry Becher especially - though I never corresponded with them.
Doc

davida: 19th Dec 2008 - 19:15 GMT

are the two girl high schools still on president street. what about P.S. 241. It's been years since I've been back to New York. I don't miss the snow at all. I would love to go to rockerfeller center to see the christmas tree and the stores decorated. And to watch the snow falling, then get back on the plane and head back to california.

Richie Rubin: 20th Dec 2008 - 01:17 GMT

Davida,dat `Chinese'food WE all grew up on in NYC,ain't da real
thing!..nevah was!..1 from column `A',two from column `B'is pure
USA..I've been to China & live in San Francisco,cal..now dat's
da real thing!..but Italian food in NYC is southern Italy style,
sicilian,neopolitan,venisian,etc;in Cal.it's Northern cuisine
Genoan,milanese,florentine,livorno,etc;see:`Pesto'been to Italy
also,& I do agree;NYC/CAL.do differ,as does,southern & northern
cooking in USA..no? same in China/Italy..dig? but look out YOUR
Calif.window..do YOU see beauty,mtns;or other Tall buildings?
yeah,I remember MY view in Brooklyn..nada!& now I see Mt.tam.
in Marin co.& beautiful San Francisco..yep,I'M stayin'

Rich: 20th Dec 2008 - 22:33 GMT

Hi Davida,
This is Rich, I saw you a little over two years ago when Rob and I came out to see Kenny during the superbowl. Hope all is well with you, to answer your question, yes, all of the schools are still there a name or two might've changed and Clara Barton and Prospect Heights are coed now, also the third school on Eastern Pkwy & Classon (used to be Bishop McDonell) is a school for the deaf. The things you mentioned in manhattan are still beautiful as tradition would have it. I don't live there anymore, but, I'm not that far away. Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year.

mitch: 21st Dec 2008 - 15:21 GMT

I remember being scared going into PS241 in the early grades. Those old city elementary schools are so imposing and physically out of scale for the kids attending. To this day I remember climbing the stairs up to my classrooms and being intimidated. I picture the architects who designed those schools intentionally doing things in a way to scare the kids into discipline in some Victorian way of thinking. The one thing I think about the suburban schools I went to when we moved vs 241 was that the schools were more cheery and that the playground offered a marked contrast to the classroom. The concrete playground at 241 are like an extension of the classrooms there just without a roof. No relief in recess. That is about the only bad memory I have from the neighborhood school.

Doc S.......: 21st Dec 2008 - 17:15 GMT

...wow, Mitch - I never found the school intimidating - the teachers and the occasional bully, yes, but the school?? When did you graduate???

davida: 22nd Dec 2008 - 19:19 GMT

thanks rich for that information about the schools. I remember as a kid looking out my window watching the girls coming out of school and all the guys that would hang around. As a kid that was fun. There are alot of good memories of president st just as there are bad ones. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Make it a safe one.

Sharon: 23rd Dec 2008 - 03:38 GMT

I attended St Matthews for eight years 65'-73', and during those times were some great days of my life. I remember having a variety of places to have lunch when I was older, I walk to Utica Ave between Lincoln and St Johns place. I would go to woolrich and order a hoogey; go to the deli and get a knish; or go on St Johns Place and get a slice of pizza. If I was not getting something to eat I would be in the yard playing double dutch, tic tac toe, or my favorite handball. I loved handball so much that I use to get a spanking from not coming home on time, because I would be waiting my turn to play after school. There were times that we were let out of school early from rumors that the IS (do not remember the number) down the street was going to beat us up. There was also a family in our school you would not mess with because there were so many of them. Those were the days.

mitch: 24th Dec 2008 - 00:57 GMT

Hi Doc ... I left before graduating 241. Memories are what they are ... glad your impressions were better than mine. Had a real mean 1st grade teacher too, from my recollection. I remember a nice 2nd grade teacher. G-d only knows the name now. Fortunately, don't remember bullies though I suppose they were there, somewhere.

Happy Holidays to all my former friends & neighbors.

Richie Rubin: 24th Dec 2008 - 01:45 GMT

Sharon;dat`IS'down da st.was probably our PS 167,on Eastern pkwy
it was alwaze a`tough'school,but never like in`60's-`70's..no?
when You went to St.Matthews did the`nuns'still hit students
w/rulers? usually on palm of hand,@ least dat's what I was told
by all the kids who went there in`50's,& did they still have a
summer fair/carnival? w/rides,games,eats,etc.I remember those
fun`fairs'in late`50's..what good memories!..no?

Rick: 24th Dec 2008 - 03:05 GMT

All my memories (almost all, anyway) of 241 are happy ones - especially those of the schoolyard. Some of the happiest times of my life were spent playing ball of various kinds (several varieties of stickball, boxball, softball, baseball, football, basketball, etc., etc.). Now, they have portable classrooms covering every inch of athletic space in the schoolyard. When I get together, as I frequently do, with my former 241 schoolyard buddies, our conversations invariably bring us back to those glorious days and wonderful times. I don't recall any scarey teachers, either. (OK - maybe, Miss Kenny in the 8th grade.)

Doc S.......: 24th Dec 2008 - 03:47 GMT

.....ahhh, Miss Kenny!!! now THAT brings back many "auditory memories"! Even now, I can hear her bellow: "GET ME YOUR CONDUCT BOOK!!!". Does that stir up th' old memory pot for any of you????
Great teacher though! She taught math, English, and RESPECT.
Doc

Willie: 24th Dec 2008 - 17:34 GMT

Does anyone out there remember the intersection of Eastern Parkway and Nostrand Avenue? The old Loew's Cameo (pronounced 'LOW-ees) by the Assistant Principal of Lefferts JHS in the early '60s. Rubin Chemists on the southeast side of the street, next to the chinese restaurant 'Tung Sang,' which made the BEST eggrolls. Kings County bank on the northeastern corner, and "Gay Heart" dance hall on the northwest. Busch's homemade ice cream parlor on Nostand near corner of Union St., across from the Ebingers bakery with the dance school overhead. You could hear that tap class overhead while you waited to place your order. Mr. Cohen who taught Spanish, Mr. Tavel who taught elementary algebra, and English teacher Mr. Gallant...a wonderful instructor. There was a Carvel across from Lefferts which sat next to Clove Road, a twisting one-block street. Just recently discovered that this was/is a pre-Revolutionary War cobblestone thoroughfare, but we were never taught about this at school. Still have my Lefferts graduation autograph book from 1961. Would love to hear from you (mena23219@msn.com).

Elser: 24th Dec 2008 - 19:12 GMT

As a relatively newcomer to this neighborhood, I've enjoyed reading all of your insights.

Doc S.......: 25th Dec 2008 - 00:35 GMT

Willie - I remember most of what you've said - and the "Cameo" toy store around the corner from the Loew's "Kameo" movie theater (note different spellings). Now, you've mentioned a Lefferts JHS - but when I went to elementary school(PS 241) there were very few Junior High - Schools in the system...they were "experimental" back then.
I remember the names of two of the teachers you mentioned, but I had them when I went to high school (Erasmus) and not at elementary school. I graduated 241 in 1954, and the "Mr. Cohen" I had, died in the year I had him in high school for Spanish - are we talking about the same Mr. Cohen??? His first name began with a "P" - Philip, or Peter.....something like that - but that was in
'56,or'57. Mr. Gallant was a good English teacher though - 'hope he's the same one you talked about .
You're right-on about "Tung-Sang", but I much preferred "Mee-Wah", which was right up above the Kameo theater. Doc

Willie: 25th Dec 2008 - 03:21 GMT

Doc - I believe I was in the first graduating class at Lefferts Junior High (1959-1961). I went to Erasmus, too ('64), but think my Mr. Cohen lived beyond my graduation year. Am wondering if you know that the old 1787 Erasmus Academy frame building in the courtyard has been closed and proclaimed to be 'structurally unsound.' Baloney! Although its landmarked, there is a maneuver called 'demolition by neglect' which eventually leads to removal. Am in the early stages of woring to prevent this. Just FYI. Thanks for your feedback. Willie

Doc S.......: 25th Dec 2008 - 05:04 GMT

...yeah, Willie, I know about the old Academy Building - 'am an active member of the alumni association, and I'm constantly informed of the situation. Glad to hear you're active in trying to prevent the school/academy demise - keep it up. Do you visit the EHHS website? Doc

Rick: 25th Dec 2008 - 16:32 GMT

Willie/Doc - I, too, was a fan of Tung Sang (first tasted egg foo yung, there). I was even a bigger fan of Busches' hot fudge sundaes. As I recall it, however (and my memory isn't what it used to be), Busches (also known as Schaeffers) was on Rodgers Ave. What I do know, however, was that Clove Road intersected with another one-block thoroughfare - Malbone St.

Doc S.......: 25th Dec 2008 - 17:38 GMT

...Interesting - I vaguely remember the "short" section called "Malbone Street". I later found out via the Brooklyn Pix website that what is now Empire Boulevard was called "Malbone Street" - the name was changed after the "Malbone Street Subway Disaster" that happened in the nineteen-teens or early twenties.
FWIW, Doc

Richie Rubin: 26th Dec 2008 - 01:53 GMT

Doc S;Malbone st.subway crash;1918,close to Ebbets field..no?

Doc S.......: 26th Dec 2008 - 04:18 GMT

Richie: Yes, according to what I can figure out (Google, etc.), it happened at what is now the Prospect Park station of what WAS the old BMT line (I don't remember what they renamed the line(s) after they integrated all 3 subway systems - I DO know where they are, and where they'll take you, however). There is a picture of the accident on the Brooklynpix website under "Subways"

Willie: 27th Dec 2008 - 00:21 GMT

Rick, Doc: Yes, Busches Ice Cream Parlor was on Nostrand (near corner of Union Street). Today there is a 'white table cloth' restaurant in that space called "Tavern on Nostrand" which is quite impressive (Live jazz, good food) when it is open, which unfortunately is only intermitently. Clove Road is a one-block street running north-south facing Lefferts JHS (between Nostrand and New York Avenues). Very close to the Police Precinct. Malbone Street (also a one-block street)that flanks it on the north, with Empire Boulevard (once named Malbone Street) to the south. The street name was changed to Empire Boulevard following the negative association with the Malbone Street train disaster when 97 people lost their lives in 1918 - still the worst subway accident in NYC history. The train stop was once called 'Consumer Park' after the Consumer Park brewery (Franklin Avenue near Bergen St.) along what is today the Franklin Avenue shuttle. And, yes, was walking distance from what was then Ebbets field.

Doc S.......: 27th Dec 2008 - 01:00 GMT

Howdy again Willie: It's interesting to know the Franklin Avenue shuttle is running - when I was by there last year sometime it looked abandoned (President Street/"Botanic Garden" entrance)-all boarded and barred-up & overgrown with weeds. I remember some local news articles printed up about the line closing. A "live-jazz" restaurant ("Tavern-on-Nostrand") - that's really somethin' to hear! The last places in the area I used to go to listen to jazz were the "Kingston Lounge" on Kingston, between St. John's and Park (I think), and the Carib Lounge,on Franklin between Eastern Parkway and Lincoln Place.

Rick: 27th Dec 2008 - 03:40 GMT

Didn't they used to have jazz at the Town Hill (SW corner Bedford & Eastern Parkway)? I believe the last time I was there was to see Dick Gregory doing his stand-up. I think my buddies and I were the only white folks in there, at the time. But, we had agood time, anyway. Mostly, for jazz in those days, we went to the Village. In particular, I favored the Half Note on Hudson St.

Doc S.......: 27th Dec 2008 - 17:15 GMT

...Town Hill, as I remember it, was more of an upscale restaurant and nightclub, rather than just a place to go to listen and have a drink - it featured a variety of entertainment - the Half-Note as you say was great for what it was - even if you had to go into Manhattan - the "waiter" was a real character - would whip a "light" out of nowhere to light your, or your date's cigarette - served AWESOME manicotti too! But hey, we're talkin' about Brooklyn here!!! (LOL)

Audrey: 27th Dec 2008 - 17:43 GMT

Does anyone have or know any information about Prospect Heights Hospital from 1945-1948. I was born there on Oct. 7, 1947 and lived in Brooklyn on Kings Highway in the Flatbush area most of my life. My adopted mother Elsie Stein (Blume) was married to Harold Stein who was a professor at Brooklyn College. I am trying to get info. on my birth mother and adoption records, but the hospital does not exist and has been turned into an apartment building and there are no records. Ellen....does any of this sound familiar?? or could you give me any info. of nurses or doctors at the hospital at the time when you were born in 42???

davida: 28th Dec 2008 - 02:40 GMT

there was a place that opened up on flatbush ave many years ago that had alot of entertainment. I remember seeing that moments there I know I'm telling my age. I really hope someone remembers that place.

Richie Rubin: 28th Dec 2008 - 16:48 GMT

Davida;it was`Ben Masticks'club,down near ave.U/Flatbush ave.
& the`Jewelbox Revue'was an all male dressed as females show
but many top entertainers performed there..fun place..no?

Willie: 28th Dec 2008 - 18:11 GMT

Doc, Rick - Town Hill at Eastern Parkway and Bedford Avenue was in the 1950s a place to have a drink and catch live entertainment. My mom and older sister remember seeing Sam Cook perform, as well as a venue favorite, Sarah Vaughn. And, yes, the Franklin Avenue shuttle has been refurbished and now runs from Fulton Street (last/first stop) to Franklin Avenue where you can connect with the IRT (dating myself, here) #s 2, 3, 4 & 5 trains. Last stop at Empire Boulevard and Flatbush Avenue (across from the old Bond bread factory, entrance to the Carosel entrance to Prospect Park, Lefferts home and IND D, Q trains. They may have changed the trains that run through that last station since I lived in Brighton Beach (briefly) in the 1970s. Wil

Doc S.......: 29th Dec 2008 - 02:49 GMT

When I lived around the Franklin Ave. Shuttle, the stops were:
Prospect Park (Connecting w. other BMT trains)
Botanic Garden(Entrances on President St./Eastern
P'Kway
Park Place
Dean Street
Franklin Ave. (@Fulton Street, where you could walk downstairs to the street and tranfer to the IND ("A" train).

Rick: 29th Dec 2008 - 20:25 GMT

In those days, even a 10 year-old kid (as I was)was allowed to take the Franklin Avenue Shuttle with friends (I loved to stand in the front) to the end and then take the A Train to the City, in particular, the Museum of Natural History or the Planetarium. Those were some wonderful Saturday afternoons away from Ebbet's Field and the 241 schoolyard.

anon (adsl-75-26-176-73.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net): 30th Dec 2008 - 01:24 GMT

Does anyone remember Susie's Bar and Grille on Myrtle Avenue? I'd love to hear some stories from that time about my grandmother's bar. Thanks!

susanboriechambers@yahoo.com

davida: 30th Dec 2008 - 07:18 GMT

hey richie it wasn't down that far. Was it town hill?

Alan Kupperberg: 30th Dec 2008 - 13:09 GMT

Ben Massick's Town & Country Club in Brooklyn was even farther down Flatbush Avenue than Avenue U. I believe it was between Avenue U and the Belt Parkway. Out among the bulrushes, as it were. My parents saw the great Sophie Tucker (the last of the Red-Hot Mammas!) perform in that storied venue. My mother reports that she found Tucker to be an foul-mouthed old woman on stage. To each his/her own. Personally, I love Sophie Tucker.

Happy New Year, All.

Matty Paris: 30th Dec 2008 - 17:30 GMT

Roger Brown and Connie Hawkins were completely different ballplayers from very different cultures. Connie lived in a railroad flat off Franklin and Fulton Street with his mother and brother. She did maid work. He played at a neighborhood court sort of presided over by J.B., the drug dealer. JB was a charmer but he had a temper. A dog once barked at him and he cut its throat. Connie was treated as a celebrity when he was 15. they knew he was going to make money. Connie was also not only charismatic awfully bright. He could hold his own in very intellectual conversations. Unfortunately Boys High never taught him how to read. Connie was 6,8, very strong and had the best reflexes I've ever played against. He could recover from committing himself from a fake on defense and still stop you. Connie played center at Boys High; Roger played forward. When Connie played pro he mvoed to forward and developed an Elgin Baylor-like style. Roger had a post up fall away jump shot like Oscar Robertson. They both stuck to this narrowly. It got points. Nobody ever saw how good these two were who only saw them play pro. That was equally true of Bill Bradley and Dick Barnett. When Connie and Roger were snagged for shaving points insiders knew that under Frank Hogan only a few Black and a few Jewish ballplayers were touched, no Irish kids. everybody- and I mean everybody- shaved points in basketball in the 40s and 50s.They even did it for fun at Kuschners. The point spread was what basketball was about for a lot of people. Gamblers would put thousands of dollars in the pockets of kids, some of whom had never seen a twenty dollar bill like Connie. The sexual world in Connie's neighborhood was quite different than Roger's. Girls were in gangs in bed-sty, cursed like boys, and were always agressively amorously available. Most Black players played hoops at RiisPark but Connie and Billy Burwell under the aegis of my firrnd Billy Cannon also played at Second Street at Coney Island. The matchups between the huge Billy Burwell, Connie and Jack Molinas, the king of Second street were legendary. White basketball was much more physical than Black basketball. It was all about fakes and outside shooting because it you went to hoop you would get chopped to pieces. I think the White style was originally developed in Irish parochial schools; they still played that way into the 70s.If one thinks that way and values strong defense one is very unhappy with most current basketball. The key to it is intimidating an opponent when he doesn't have the ball. You can take him out of the game. The Celtics and any Pat Riley coached team still did it for a long while. Connie didn't need to beat up people on the court though he could have done it. In his last year he got to use his raw power. It's the last thing that goes in a player.

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 30th Dec 2008 - 21:40 GMT

I like this site very much,especially when people write about PS 167. I lived at 1125 Sterling Place (between Kinston Ave. and Hampton Place) until I was about 14.I went to the Erasmus Annex on Lenox Road and then Erasmus. these are the teachers that I remember;Mr.Cussen taught Latin, Mrs.Silverstein -geomtery, Mr.Katzman-chemistry, Mr. Bertelt -English,Mr.West-English, Miss Fialke-English, Mr.Rosenberg- intermediate algebra, Mr.Levitan- French,Mr.flanzbaum-history ( I am sorry but I can't remember any more teachers right now). I remember the old building, but not what it was used for. I was in the 1962 graduating class from Erasmus. Afterwards we moved to 387 eaastern Parkway (near Bedford Ave). I only remember that there was a restaurant on the corner.I remember the Franklin Shuttle very well.There was some kind of a chicken fram in the Yard near the Park Place entrance. I had a girlfriend named Harriet Weiner who lived on Union Street (between Schenectady and Utica Avenues) and another girlfriend Brenda Patterson who lived at 9 Hampton Place. Does anyone know what happend to them? I would like to renew contact with them.

Richie Rubin: 31st Dec 2008 - 04:19 GMT

Davida,you wrote`a club opened on Flatbush ave.'Ben Mastiks'town&
country club'was all the way down near belt p'kwy..after ave U!
& I usta go dere & see top notch acts..I even have a menu from
there[c.1957]but`Town Hill'[bedford/Eastern pkwy]was da place
for`soul/r&b music;Bobby Green & his aggravation was house band
& there was a group`the Vibrations'that blew the roof off the joint
also:Isley bros.,Jackie Wilson,Ben E.King,& the best mo-town/r&b
would appear there..also a sexy erotic dancer`lottie miss body'
was a`regular'entertainer..yeah,I went often,w/Helen Blitzer &
Carole`Foxy'Cohen..from P.S.167..yep,we got`served'w/o any ID!
whew!..what daze dem waz..no?

Dr Jayne: 31st Dec 2008 - 15:51 GMT

To Audrey, regarding your Dec 27th post: Try to contact the American Nurses" Association. They might have the information you are looking for.

I am a bit younger than most of you posting, though my family all were from Brooklyn.

does anyone remember Anthony Ortolano, called Junior by his parents? Would have been born around 1945 and lived in Bay Ridge. Please let me know if he is familiar. He was killed in a pedestrian accident in 1966 and was my uncle. I would like to know more about him. Thanks.

Rick: 31st Dec 2008 - 20:22 GMT

Matty: You reminded me of the full-court basketball games that sometimes took place in the 241 schoolyard. On occasion, on the court would be Connie Hawkins, Roger Brown, Doug Mo and Billy Cannon (who lived down the block on Presisent St.) and others. (Were you there, too?) A highlight of my childhood was standing on the sidelines in awe of these giants who were all playing, one day, when a substitute was needed. The "Hawk" looked at me and said, "Hey, Kid. Do you wanna play?" (In reality, I was only a few years younger.) Eagerly, I responded, "Yeah!" He said, "OK. But, if I give you the ball, you gotta give it right back." So, he did and I did and for about 6 minutes I ran up and down the court in schoolyard heaven. It was only six minutes or so, but, as you can see, it made a memory for a lifetime. Thanks for reminding me.

Doc S.......: 31st Dec 2008 - 22:08 GMT

.....never hung with the basketball crowd - wasn't that much of an athlete then, but I do remember Billy Cannon, he was in my elementary and high school classes - I remember talking to him after we graduated from Erasmus - said he got accepted to some Presbyterian(?) college on a basketball scholarship - that was the last I ever heard of or about him. good luck to you, Billy - wherever you are!
Speaking of athletics, if you went to 241, anyone out there remember the "Sabres" and the "Knights"?????? Were any of you members???

Rich: 1st Jan 2009 - 00:22 GMT

Hey Davida,
This is Rich from the hood. Was it the Fox, downtown at Nevins St station with "Murray the K" and all of the old groups? If it is, it's a utilities center (Con Ed) and a bank the last time I was there. We're both the same age.

Ron: 3rd Jan 2009 - 10:23 GMT

Hello again Teri,
I had to smile when I bumped into your posting here.

Something I didn't mention in my recent long e-mail was one time when I was playing on the Eastern Parkway mall and got dirty. Your sister Judy was watching over me and took me into Dubrow's to wash my hands. I hadn't recalled the name of the cafeteria until I read it here. But I recall it had TWO entrances - one on Eastern Parkway and one on Utica Avenue. And I think there was a DIFFERENT business on the exact corner, so that the Dubrow's storefront was not contiguous. Am I right?

I had recalled an austere bank building at this huge intersection, but had not remembered it was the East New York Savings Bank. I opened my first account at its branch on Rockaway Parkway (a round building) after we had moved from Crown Heights to East-Flatbush/Brownsville. I looked it up earlier this year and the bank no longer operates.

I landed up on this page looking for information on the street cars which had run on Utica, which were still in operation when my parents immigrated to the US in 1949. Even in my day, a bit of the old tracks would peek out from under the asphalt.

Yes, even circa 1960, motor vehicles were still "novel" enough that an occasional pushcart worker would transit Union Street and call from the street to have him sharpen your knives.

I am grateful for the details about the old A&P on St. John's, in which my folks had watched their first English language movies as immigrants, when it had been a theatre.
As to its coffee grinders, I recall three, each of a different color, I suppose to handle different varieties of beans. Toward the back of the store a conveyer belt brought up stuff from a "mysterious" basement. At its front were a few "gumball" machines which held plastic charms you could buy if you had a penny. Best of all, was that you could sometimes get emptied cardboard boxes from the store for free, with which kids could fashion imaginary vehicles or buildings in which their tiny bodies would fit.

I learned a few year ago that Joe Califano was from Crown Heights, but not that his Mom had taught at PS 189, which I attended. I still remember walking through Lincoln Terrace Park on the way to and from school, especially in the autumn, with the innumerable beautiful colored leaves decorating the hexagonal Carroll-access walkway stones.
I would take lunch at Gale's (spelling?), very close to the Sutter Avenue el station. Does anyone remember this eatery?
In doing so, I would pass the area's famous street-cart knish man.

I recall the White Castle mentioned above and regret to say you can find a review of it online which is very negative.

The library on Schenectady was the most beautiful place I knew and I felt so lucky when I could go there.

Rich: 3rd Jan 2009 - 23:03 GMT

For Davida: Town Hill 2? Located in a corner of the old Sears and Roebuck parking lot. That's all I got.

Doc S.......: 5th Jan 2009 - 04:05 GMT

.....for a real bit of old Brooklyn nostalgia, go to:

www.youtube.com/watch?V=OGmxm_xboqk

A Member : 5th Jan 2009 - 14:10 GMT

Doc S,

Your URL contained a malformed video ID.

Carol Cohen (FOXY): 6th Jan 2009 - 01:17 GMT

Hi,
I'm looking for: Ellen Grossman and Edyce Kaplan that lived around Rutland Rd., and Teri that lived on Utica Ave. Is anyone in touch with them? I lived right next to the church on Eastern Parkway. Richie, Bobby Lazarus, Joanie Borrusso,Helen Blitzer,Carol Fox,Judy Oshinsky, Kitty, Pat and John Dewey (x boyfriend) and the rest of the gang on Union St. we were all friends. Such great memories...
Foxy (Carol Cohen)cazouz@aol.com

Richie Rubin: 6th Jan 2009 - 01:41 GMT

FOXY,We All[ex-P.S.167'ers]gotta get on this Blog/Site,I'D love a
`cyber-reunion'.wouldn't WE? ALL?

Doc S.......: 6th Jan 2009 - 03:21 GMT

....sorry about the "malformed" video... it was a youtube feature of a film short of the 1930s-40s Brooklyn trolleys coursing thru various neighborhoods - some of which I recognized...maybe if you go to the youtube website you can find it out - great piece of film! Doc

Doc S.......: 6th Jan 2009 - 03:38 GMT

...you can find the film by going to youtube and typing in 1938 Brooklyn Trolleys. Doc

Keith Bernstein: 6th Jan 2009 - 15:05 GMT

The actual title is: Vintage Film of Brooklyn Trolleys Circa 1930s

It is a great video memory of a bygone time. I remember trolley tracks on Utica Avenue into the 1950s, before they were paved over, although I don't remember any trolleys. I do remember riding on electric buses on St John's Place, though.

For those, like me, who have not visited the old neighborhood in many years, I recommend using Google Maps. Type in an address and use the street view for a 360 degree panorama. Then drag the little figure in the inset box to another location. It's fantastic! Unfortunately, it only supplies a present view and can't take us back to our memories.

Carol Cohen (FOXY): 6th Jan 2009 - 23:39 GMT

Hi Richie,
Now I know where you spend all your time.

Richie Rubin: 7th Jan 2009 - 02:13 GMT

WE usta`hitch'on da rear of St.Johns pl.Trolleys & Electric buses,
all da way to`Bridge Plaza'..in Williamsburg,from Utica ave.&
St.Johns pl...cool/l-o-n-g ride..& never got caught!

anon (ool-45750b20.dyn.optonline.net): 10th Jan 2009 - 03:06 GMT

great memories! Any of ST, Matthews Parish? Troy Ave. Jimmy

Richie Rubin: 10th Jan 2009 - 14:40 GMT

Anon;when did YOU go to St.Matthews?,I didn't, went to PS 167
down da block,but I hung out w/many guys dat went dere.& like
I typed in past`blogs'.what a good time WE had @ St.Matthews
summer`fairs',rides/games/junk-food/etc.

Michelle: 12th Jan 2009 - 22:57 GMT

Wow, what great memories you all are bringing back to life for me when my family and I lived in Brooklyn! My family and I moved to 135 Eastern Parkway - Turner Towers in the late 1970's. It was such a great place to live! We had a beautiful 3 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath apartment with a maid's room, cedar walk-in closet and great panoramic views in every room. I'll always remember going through the Brooklyn Museum as a shortcut to I.S. 320 on our way to school. Before they rebuilt the BM, we used to play football in the grass in front of it. We would always go to the Botanical Gardens and have picnics in Prospect Park, do our homework in the Brooklyn Public Library and I'll never forget watching the West Indian Parade on the roof of my building as they danced along Eastern Parkway. We could see everything! We played double dutch, hopscotch, rollerskated at Empire Roller Rink (I will forever miss that place) and went ice-skating in Prospect Park. I was so sad when my Mother sold the apartment, we had such wonderful memories there. I love Brooklyn, it will always be home to me.

aj schure: 13th Jan 2009 - 15:30 GMT

hey jimmy from troy ave!where on troy and did you go to st.matthews if so when?

usmcsniper1: 15th Jan 2009 - 06:38 GMT

I really woulto see what the old hood looks like. If anybody has recent photos, please post. I lived at 1098 Eastern Pkwy, directly across the street from St. Matthews Church. Ironically, I named my youngest son Matthew. Does anybody remember a Helen Weisenbergh? How about Julio Lopez? We used to challenge the Union Street guys football every sunday afternoon.

Keith Bernstein: 15th Jan 2009 - 13:55 GMT

To usmcsniper1: Use the street view feature of Google Maps. I just was there and saw what your old building now looks like.

Danny Fuchs: 17th Jan 2009 - 02:30 GMT

Don't know how I came upon this blog? Think I am older than most of you. My family moved around a lot. I was born on St.John's Place at Brooklyn Jewish Hospital in 1939. One of my firt memories was the day President Roosevelt died and people were screaming in the streets. At this time we lived on Carroll St. Give or take a year I remember a hurricane hitting New York.

Yes, I went to PS 167. Remember Mr. Lipton. Also remember lunchbreak and would have penny pickles and soft kinishes.
There was a teacher named Mrs. Aenea and her sister Mrs. Parisi who ran a summer camp I attended out in Bayville.

Yes, I remember original Dubrow's, especially the wall mural of people working in the fields. My maternal family (Koenig/Schantz) would have periodic reunions above the restaurant. The dairy restaurant acroos the street...was that the Famous? Of course Ebbinger's. I also remember a restaurant on Kingston Ave. we called The Greek and they had the best spaghetti and meat sauce.

My great-grandparents, the Koenig's, lived on Eastern Parkway near Kingston and our various family members would gather on Sunday on the benches that lined the street.

In the late 40's we moved to E. Flatbush near Kings Count Hospital. I went to 135 and or 235. My sister Harlene went to Erasmus. FYI, my mother attended Girls' Commercial.

Then we returned to the old neighborhood and moved into a brownstone on Lincoln Place bet. Kingston and Albany. I believe there was a chinese restaurant down the block with dinners for $1.00 or less.

Contrary to what someone has posted, I remember the kids in my neighborood could be cruel with ethnic discriminatory words being shouted from across the street. When the first African American family moved onto the block my parents made a b-line to Forest Hills. I was 12 at the time. Must have been 51-52. I actually made friends with the family's daughter and the father, a doctor, taught me to play chess. Can't say for sure that was the reason. It was also considered "moving on up."

Tanks for the remembrances. I now live in Los Angeles. The temperature is around 78. Haven't been back to Crown Heights since 1953.

Richie Rubin: 17th Jan 2009 - 14:40 GMT

ALL;I live in Beserk-ly,cal.in San Francisco bay area.& temp.has
been in 70's past few daze,& back in old`hood,crown hts.its close
to zero!nah,I don't miss dat,or winter,but as a kid.snow/winter
was fun.now I can go swimming in the pacific ocean in southern ca.
@ play in snow up in mtns!but I can leave it when I choose to!
did anyone else out there go sledding on`dead mans hill'nr Botanic
gardens/Prospect pk?WE took IRT subway from UTICA ave.w/OUR sleds
garbagecan covers,cardboard`sleds'just to slide down that hill!
what fun memories WE made!but:`dem daze are gone..forevah!'

mlbsniper1: 24th Jan 2009 - 08:51 GMT

Hey, Richie....I never thought about that as a great memory. But, you are right it was a great time with our metal trash lids at Prospect Park. By the way, I live in San Leandro, Ca...not far from Berkley. Small world!

Richie Rubin: 24th Jan 2009 - 16:55 GMT

mlbsniper:finally!annuda poyson whom slid down`Dead Mans hill'
on gobbige can covers..or whatevah WE had!only 2[two]of MY gang
from St.Johns pl./Utica ave.block had a real sled!& shlepping it
on IRT subway..especially wet w/melting snow..did other riders
kvetch!& when WE got back to Utica ave.IRT sta;WE hit Dubrows
for a hot cocoa!only a dime back in late`50's.& free seltzer!

Doc S.......: 24th Jan 2009 - 20:19 GMT

...for me, Dead-Man's-Hill was real close, a short walk from Union and Franklin. Towed a real "Flexible Flyer" which is still somewhere in my family. An uncle and aunt took it when we moved and I outgrew it, along with the "cheesebox-and-two-by-four-and a Union Hardware roller-skate" scooter I used to ride.

Julia Astralla: 28th Jan 2009 - 23:00 GMT

To Troy, (asking about st. Matt.'s Parish .........) what's your age-range ? Do you remember the priest, Fr. William Hickey ? (the best friend a teenager had in those days .........1956 to 1962. ) My group of friends, some of them from ole St. Matt.'s were Sally Lettieri, Pete Seagriff, Stella Marotta, Al Nolan, Eddie Courtein, Eddie Samuels and Mike Curcio .....................If any of you are out there, or if Troy cares to answer back, that would be great

aj schure: 29th Jan 2009 - 05:15 GMT

hey julia do you remember marie desoy from st.matts.???or dorothea zacchio??

Sol: 3rd Feb 2009 - 17:01 GMT

Today's NY Post (Feb 3, 2009) lists foreclosures & liens in NYC by address. Lots listed on Eastern Parkway, including 345 E.P. I recall that in the early 40's a family named Young, with a daughter named Virginia lived there. Then a dentist by the name of Cohen with two sons, Richard & Martin lived there. Drove by last week & it was boarded up. Great location.

Doreen: 6th Feb 2009 - 20:08 GMT

I just discovered this site and read most of the posts. There was a post from Allan and Jane mentioning the twins Andy and Barbi Brown from Crown St. or Carroll? I am friends with their sister Phyllis who lives in Fla. I graduated Wingate in 59, went to Somers 252 and P.S 156. I lived on Blake Ave. and Union St. About 12 years ago I did a search and found some of the girls from the "Doucetts" (Somers years) and we meet every year since. We hung out on Saratoga Ave, Marty Block, Carol Gross, Norma Sherman and so many great others. We went to the Sutter Theater where Arlene Goldberg lived upstairs next to the photographer, Pitkin near Helene Pressman and Mitzi Saunders. Is there anyone out there familiar with this area? I had a friend Ina Alpert, Tapscott St., whose mom worked at Dubrows and always brought home delicious cakes. Brooklyn streets was the playground which formed our future.

Joe "Bubsy" Sullivan: 7th Feb 2009 - 22:46 GMT

This is in response to AJ Schure dated Dec 7, 2008. The Sullivans lived on the second floor at 1326 Sterling Place. The Morans lived in the apartment above us. I understand that your family lived there also prior to them. There was my mother and father, and my sister Eleanor. They all passed away. My sister Peggy lives in Flatbush, she has four children and six grandchildren. I live in Garden City Park on Long Island. My wife, Kathy, and I have 3 children and 9 grandchildren. My oldest son, Kevin, is a doctor and lives in Orange Park, Florida. My son, Peter, works at Morgan Stanley and lives in Plainview, LI. My daughter, Karen, teaches in the Valley Stream school system and lives in North Massapequa, LI. Jimmy O'Connel told me about your question. Please let me know how you are doing. Thanks for asking about us.

norms: 8th Feb 2009 - 16:33 GMT

OK, I was just turned on to this blog and maybe I can fill some dots in.
I lived at 932 Carroll Street. Knew Rick, etc. Worked at KLEIN's
Pharmacy which was on Franklin/Carroll. Geiser's Candy store was across
the street. Henry maiman worked at this pharmacy before opening his own
on Franklin/Eastern Parkway. I went to PS241/Erasmus Hall/Brooklyn
Collge.
I pitched "wind mill fast pitch in the PS 241 school yard. We always
played against PG 161 teams. We played football on CONCRETE in the
winter (we had to be crazy).

There is much more but I don't want to take any more space up.
The site brought back so many wonderful memories and thoughts of a great childhood.

Rick: 8th Feb 2009 - 17:36 GMT

Hey Gump - you never know who is going to show up on this site. Welcome!

Doc S.......: 8th Feb 2009 - 17:49 GMT

Hey, Norm S......I just clued-in "Ginsu" about this site -

norms: 8th Feb 2009 - 17:55 GMT

To Sol - Martin Cohen, son of the dentist, went to Michigan State and

was living in Columbus, Ohio; when last we talked.

norms: 8th Feb 2009 - 17:57 GMT

One last thing which i wanted to bring up.

The Town Hill Restaurant was the first place that Chubby Checker, did

the twist. This is fact. There is an old obsure movie called " Bye,

Bye Braverman". The Town Hill and Eastern/Bedford are in the movie.

Doc S.......: 8th Feb 2009 - 23:31 GMT

NormS - I remember you mostly from 241...I think you were a year behind me...Barry will tell you who I am...you might not know me as we didn't hang out together.

Sol: 9th Feb 2009 - 01:00 GMT

Norms...Thxs for update info on Martin Cohen. My friend met Richard C about 15 years ago standing outside 345 EP. Long hair & beard. Last one left standing...everyone else had moved on. Others I recall from that neighborhood are the Hitzig twins..Charlie & Sammy, Dick & Peter Stephano, in 241 there was Dr. Kaufman, in 347 there was Eddie G; in 355 there was Bosley Latimore; the Aa family..Peter & Thelma lived in 359 & Dr. Hurwitz, along with Stephen, a musical genius who passed away prematurely, & his sister, Jane; in 361 the Stolmack family lived. I think one of the daughters (Susie) married Allen Isaacs.

danny b: 9th Feb 2009 - 02:08 GMT

hi st.matthews boys & girls, attended st. matt's with some bobo's from the help of the brothers-i graduated in 1952.i lived on prospect pl- off utica ave, i would like to hear from some one who attended, during that time.

aj schure: 9th Feb 2009 - 05:27 GMT

to joe bubsy sullivan are you related to bobby ??ilve in fl now near daytona i left the city in the 60!s and lost touch with bobby he was then married to patty porro i still in touch with some of the people from the ole hood in fact if you remember some of the bruni!s fron licoln pl i going down to see pete tomorow i!d love to talk with you write me back on here and ill somehow give your my email address

Willie: 10th Feb 2009 - 00:36 GMT

Norms -

Do you or anyone else reading this have any images of Town Hill? Didn't know it was the first venue Chubby Checker did the Twist! I went to Lefferts, Erasmus Hall, Brooklyn College, too. You know . . . 'the circuit.' I'm writing a pictorial history of Crown Heights (from its "Green Mountain," days, the Penetentiary which became Brooklyn Prep, the Carvel across the street from Lefferts, and through today) and want to be sure to be sure favorite old images from the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s are included. Would welcome any photo suggestions from readers, and I'll seek them out. Anyone remember Anita Lesser from Lefferts JHS (1959-1961) who lived on Sullivan Place? Or Arnold Orlick who lived on President Street (bet. Nostrand and Rogers)? How about Warren Cutler? My mom, now 84 yrs, still lives on Union Street (Brooklyn/New York Avenues) where I grew up, so I'm back and forth often.

Willie

Richie Rubin: 10th Feb 2009 - 01:54 GMT

Willie;I frequented`Town Hill'club in mid-`60's & saw many
top name acts,motown,R&B,name`em..they played there!what fun
WE had @ that club!..

Richie Rubin: 10th Feb 2009 - 20:15 GMT

Willie;Bobby Green & his Aggravation was house band @ Town Hill,what a group!&`Lottie miss Body'was club dancing act,
Isley bros;& Jackie Wilson[almost]regulars,& the Vibrations
tore the roof off w/their zany act..dem was da daze!

Rich: 11th Feb 2009 - 01:06 GMT

Norms,
This is the first time I've ever heard that Chubby Checker did the twist (for the first time) at "Town Hill". Although I'm much younger than you, I lived in the same hood and went to the same schools, except brooklyn college. I graduated P.S. 241 in 1965 and went to the zoned schools. Please before I start telling my friends about the twist and brooklyn, give me a source to prove this. Thanks

Richie Rubin: 11th Feb 2009 - 02:02 GMT

I know`Chubby Checker'is from Philly,& I never saw him @
Town Hill,but Willie did,or knows of it!if Chubby Checker
did twist @ Town Hill it hadda be c.`59-`60 when he 1st was
a sensation on American Bandstand & the World!..no?I didn't
go there`til `61? when I was in NAVY!..& Ben E.king was 1st.
act I saw`Stand by Me'was his big hit,but he started w/the
`Drifters'& had many hits before that!..a real NYC group!

Leslie : 16th Feb 2009 - 04:40 GMT

Is anyone here a 59 grad from Erasmus Hall? There is a reunion this summer. Please email Erasmus59@aol.com for info.

davida: 18th Feb 2009 - 05:59 GMT

hello to all. I'm trying to locate a old friend. He lived on Union and Franklin. His name is Stephen Coward. He had two older brothers. He did go to Eramus Hall High. If anyone knows anything please let me know. Thanks

ramona: 22nd Feb 2009 - 05:49 GMT

What a great site.I lived at 1629 Park Place between Buffalo and Ralph from 1957-1964 and attended PS 191 which was right across the street. Even after all these years the memories are so vivid. Playing stoop ball, punchball,skully and my brother Steven making scooters with a wooden crate, piece of wood and breaking a pair of roller skates in half for the wheels. He also delivered meats by bike for the butcher on the corner of Buffalo and Park Place.Having a candy store on the block I believe it was Nat's was also a plus.I have my first memory of my neighbors who survived the holocaust they owned the grocery store on the corner of Park Place and Ralph (next to the laundry shop)and I saw the concentration camp numbers on their arms something I never forgot.
Shopping on Utica Ave was the best and a special treat was stopping to have a knish on St Johns place; the store had a tiled floor some wooden tables and a brick oven. Saturdays were spent at the Utica movie theater or taking a walk to Pitkin Ave. My uncle Pete Davis had a soda fountain shop on Howard Ave. Walking to Eastern Parkway and seating on the benches and watching all the people go by was also fun.It was the best time..
After graduating from PS 191 we moved to Crown Heights Lefferts JH and Wingate HS then onto BayRidge and Kingsborough College. Left Brooklyn 25 years ago...but it will always be home.

Iank: 24th Feb 2009 - 01:30 GMT

I went to PS241/Erasmus59'with Norms. We recently got in touch. May go to the 50th reunion in Aug 09'. What a great childhood. Brooklyn Museum, Botanic(al) Gardens, empire bowling alley. Ben and Sols deli, Stickball at the armory on Union St.Ebbets
field. The schoolyard of 241, poker on the cement,great basketball and softball games. Anyone remember Billy Weiner, or a guy with a nickname of Bube.What graet days they were. I was a musician and acappella singer on Flatbush Church steps.

anon (pool-96-224-232-42.nycmny.fios.verizon.net): 24th Feb 2009 - 02:28 GMT

I knew town hill very very well it was owned by morty shnabel
who had a pink lincoln, barbara striesands mother took here there to sing and morty threw her out, elliot gould used to shine his shoes. morty also owned the baby grand and later opened town hill II
with my father as his partner, town hill II was on durey place and ave d off bedford ave opposite sears, some i have seen there of course at the first table, ray charles james brown marvin gaye bille paul mille jackson spinners sister sledge to name a few. town hill II was primarily a black nite club, sign on the door read dress well expect well. had alot of famous and infamous regular customers, such as frank lucas vernon legrand and other players of the day in the late 70's and 80's. can write a book about this place. i spent every nite there from the time it opened till it was sold and became the Ark a west indian club in 1981.

Doc S.......: 25th Feb 2009 - 03:57 GMT

...to all you true "Brooklynites"......
who remembers how to play "ring-a-leevio"?? What are the rules? AND.....
After watching the international rugby games on TV yesterday, I can't help thinking that it's just a bunch of overgrown grownups playing an organized version of "Saluggi" FWIW, Doc

Keith Bernstein: 25th Feb 2009 - 16:22 GMT

Ring-a-leevio: it's a long time since I thought about that! As well as I can remember, our group of boys who congregated near the SE corner of Troy and EP around 1955-59 played this as a tag game. One person was "it" and had to find the others. When he found someone, he had to hold him long enough to say "Ring-a-leevio-123, Ring-a-leevio-123, Ring-a-leevio-123." If "it" did that, the tagged boy became part of his team and they both went looking for the other players. The winner was the last one found, and he was "it" for the next round.

Does this sound familiar? Please keep the memories alive by contributing. I remember our area around PS 167 in the 1950s with the fondest of memories.

Richie Rubin: 25th Feb 2009 - 20:30 GMT

How's `bout johnny on da pony..now dat waz a rough game!
no wonder most of US got bad backs..now!..yep,N.Y street
games sure were lots`o fun..& WE'D play`em all day!`til
OUR MOM's yelled @ US to come essen..no?..

rick: 25th Feb 2009 - 21:02 GMT

Wasn't ring-a-leevio a team game; one team was the hunters and the other the prey? As I recall, and as Keith said, when you caught someone on the prey team you said "Ring-a-leevio 123" and put that person in "jail" - generally, an alleyway or a space between parked cars. When all of the other team members were rounded up and in jail, the hunter team had won. However, as I remember (getting very faulty, lately), a prey team member could free his jailed teammates by tagging them and shouting, "home free all, home free all" or something like that. It all seemed so simple and intuitive back then.

anon (cpe-66-65-255-99.ne.res.rr.com): 26th Feb 2009 - 17:00 GMT

Well, this helps! Ring-a-leevio has been in my mind as a recollection without name of running and chasing and being chased by other kids, and not just randomly. Thanks for the rules--that's what we played on St. John's Place in the 40's. (There was potsy too--far less action but fun. Remember?)

davida: 26th Feb 2009 - 23:10 GMT

still trying to locate Stephen Coward an old wonderful friend. ANYBODY !!!!!!!!!!!!
Bube lives in Flatbush. I'm the aunt of his son Dywayne.

Doc S.......: 1st Mar 2009 - 03:35 GMT

OK - Who remembers my great friend, teacher, perhaps a father-figure, who taught me everything basic to modern jazz that I carry with me to this day - RECTOR BAILEY, who had his home and studio at 813 Eastern Parkway???????????????? All the "sessions" at his place with all kinds of jazz musicians - some famous - some not-so-famous???
Doc

Willie: 2nd Mar 2009 - 00:08 GMT

To Anon, who spent so much time at Town Hill. Do you have any pix of the club's exterior on Eastern Parkway and Bedford Avenue? None seem to exist! And, yes, you should write that book!
Wil

Barbara (Frank) Schlossman: 8th Mar 2009 - 19:04 GMT

Found this website as I was looking up The Twin Cantors where I was married in 1957 at the age of almost 19. I went to PS 167 from 1951-1955 so I was glad to see it mentioned so many times. I remember the library on the corner of East.Pkway and Schen or Utica? I remember the St.Johns Movie theater and the Knish place. I lived on E.P. at the corner of Kingston Ave. where Jerry's Bar & Grill was. My house was set in also so that the huge area on the corner was used by all of us for roller skating and bike riding and hanging out on Marsha's stoop. What memories! E.P. was used by my friends to play "house" and we used the benches as our houses and the weeds as our play food. We didn't worry about getting hit by a car or getting mugged or kidnapped. I walked all the way to school & home every day alone...it seemed so far as those blocks were very long. So - does anyone know the names of Those Twin Cantors as I can't find any information on them?
My first boyfriend was Jon Liberto - does anyone know him? He threw flowers into my hallway and I was so thrilled and embarrassed. I had a crush on Bernard Barish; does anyone know him?
Yes for taking the subway up to Prospect Park, The Brooklyn Museum, Botanical Gardens.
We rode bikes all over without any fears.What memories!

norman: 10th Mar 2009 - 04:07 GMT

my dad ben owned ben and sol's deli on franklin snd president
st for 42 years.i go back to the neighborhood once every 2 years.it has really changed.p.s.241 is still there.they built
classes in the school yard.it is tough to see what it looks
like now.i remember all the kids coming into the deli to eat
lunch.you could bring in your own sandwich if you bought a
soda or french fries.my dad was opened till 12 at night,and
the gang and i played scully on the street in the summer.we
also had soft ball leagues in the summer in 241.the main
problem today is there are no more corners.that was where we
hung out in all neighborhoods on the corner in the candy store,playing pin ball,having an egg cream with pretzel
sticks.i really feel so sorry for my grandchildren.those times were then and we will never see them again.now
they hang out in the malls by the hundreds not by the dozen
i now live in florida and had a p.s.241 reunion 12 years
ago.72 people showed up.it was great.i still see my 241
friends from 75 years ago every month.artie,j.j,wally
leon.billy,julie,alvin and myself.every.every time we meet
with the wifes we talk anb talk,the jokes have been numbered.
so when somenoe says #7 we all laugh.we should do another
reunion now that i know about this page.drop me a line

Rick: 10th Mar 2009 - 16:31 GMT

Hey Norman - I think I had lunch at B & S every Thursday from kindergarten (with my Mom)through 8th grade (with my buds)when I was at 241. Other times, I would stop in for a knish or fries (had to pick them up in the back and they were hot). How could we not miss those days.

Sol: 11th Mar 2009 - 02:38 GMT

Norman, I recall that PS241 reunion 12 years ago. In fact, I also was hoping for a repeat. The reunion was in the auditorium. I drove there from NJ. I think that Marilyn Goldstein & Harry Petchesky were involved in organizing the event. I seem to remember seeing Bob Sacheim, Richie Richig, Neil Kramer, Charlie & Sammy Hitzig (I mean Stone), Roy Pasternack, Ed Gruber, Thelma Aa, Helen Nachmeis, Stephanie Fox & others at the reunion.

Doc S.......: 12th Mar 2009 - 01:34 GMT

Sol - I see by your post that you saw Roy Pasternack - I remember him, although he was a bit older than I....His brother Stan and I used to be good friends. If you have any info on him/them, I'd appreciate it. Thanks - Doc

Ellen: 13th Mar 2009 - 15:51 GMT

Does anyone remember George's Shoe Store on St. Johns off of Utica Avenue? That was my Dad's store from the mid 1920's until 1970 when he sold the property to a fabric store. He hated retirement, and in 1971 at the age of 70, he bought Eppy's shoes around the corner at 251 Utica, (near Lincoln Pl.) I worked there for years, and later inherited the store upon my Dad's passing, in 1982. We sold it in 1988. My time in that area was sometimes dangerous, but always interesting. My father had wonderful stories to tell about the history of of Eastern Parkway with all it's glamour and finery. I wish I would have seen it then.

aj schure: 17th Mar 2009 - 00:47 GMT

where did all off ya!s go aint? no one posting from ps167 or st.matts???no more

Richie Rubin: 18th Mar 2009 - 19:20 GMT

AJ SCHURE;We've been also waitin'P.S.167 where are Youse?
& ST.MATTHEWS too!..blog US!..asapee.& Ellen; MY Fambly
usta shop @ George's..did I know YOU? I shpent lotsa time
@ Woolwoyths next door to YER store!great fountain .no?

Linda Bluth: 18th Mar 2009 - 23:44 GMT

It was great fun to go back to my childhood. I attended PS 221 and Winthrop JHS and moved to Long Island after JHS. I grew up on Lefferts and Troy and would love to hear from anyone who may have known me.
Linda Bluth
e-mail lbluth@msde.state.md.us

Richie Rubin: 19th Mar 2009 - 19:10 GMT

Linda B;p.s;its on Crown heights 1,& taken 1946,also many
other Crown hts pics.+ all B'klyn neighborhoods!great site!

Esther Herschman (Rechtschafner): 20th Mar 2009 - 06:58 GMT

Please send the site about rown Heights pictures, that is written about inthe last comment. I am not smart enough to understand what you wrote. My baic education was from PS 167. Pleae do write more about PS 167,Eastern Parkway, KingstonAve.. i think that I have already written here all of my memories.I remember Eppy's shoe shop. I was an expensive shop.Shoes usually sold for $4.99 thre when I was young, and I understood that that was a lot of money. As I rememer there was a MILES shoe shop next door where shoes s were $1 cheaper. There was a Freidman's Dep't store on St.John's Place between Schenectady and Utica, and a Mr. Shleigger's dry good store on Kington Ave. between Sterling Place and St. John's Place. He had a daughter also named ESTHER. There were nice adverisements on the tops of the front windows.

Stan: 20th Mar 2009 - 14:42 GMT

Opposite the playground of 167, on Lincoln Place was a shoe repair shop. It was run by a Mr.Laperdon whose son was Sol and a friend of mine. We used to buy school supplies at Honey's on St. Johns place (near Freidman's department Store) until they moved to Eastern Parkway at Albany Avenue.

Ellen: 20th Mar 2009 - 16:21 GMT

Oh wow. Well, Richie might have known my much older sisters, Miriam and Marsha. I loved that old store, I was a kid and used to ride the sliding ladders along the wall. As for Eppys, yes, when my dad bought that after selling Georges, the neighborhood had changed a lot. I worked there after school and took over full-time when my dad took ill in '76. Yes there was a Miles on one side, a Thom McAn on the other, Woolworths down the block, and Margolis a sort of Dry Goods store after Woolworths. sadly they closed after the black-out of '77. Ronson's Pharmacy is still there, or was when I was back just looking around about a year ago. Remember Ruby's Buster Brown on the next block closer to Eastern Parkway? And there was a 5 and 10cents store on the corner. After the blackout, he never came back either, and it became 3 Guys Discount Store. (How I met my now ex-husband). I have a great pic of my dad standing in front of Georges, circa 1940's.(before my time) I am going to see if I can scan it here at work, and post it somehow. My dad was there for over 42 years. I never lived in that area. We lived in Canarsie by that time. I am a bit younger that my dad's kids from his first marriage, (49) but I am the only one of his 4 kids that ever worked in the store ( Eppys )

larry prusak: 24th Mar 2009 - 23:17 GMT

Hello to all you 167 Alums. I was amazed and amused to read all these comments about the old school and the surrounding neighborhoods and eateries. I thought some of you might be interested in the fact that Steve Schiffman, Ed Poska and I went back to 167 last Fall for a visit before we had our 50th 167 class reunion at the Marriott in downtown Brooklyn.
We found the school in pretty god condition, given that it was built in 1910. We managed to talk our way inside and felt in a time warp-the place even smelt the same!! The Hot and cold Lunch rooms were still labeled as such, the mosaic in the wall in the entryway celebrating the first principal, and the auditorium. We went into the auditorium, which was so much smaller then I remembered it. Steve sat at the piano where "Bugsy"Dreebin played the patriotic songs we all learned, while I sang a few of these that I could recall from the stage. The security guard who let us in was amazed that we graduated 50 years ago-less because of how we looked, alas, but more that the school was that old!
The reunion was great! Organized by a Lincoln Rd denizen, Judy Fazio, we had abut 30 attendees. Some of the names I have seen here were there-Bobby Lazerus, Muriel Weintraub, Danny Schneider, Lloyd Kornreich, etc. It never would have happened without the web.
On another topic Im surprised no one has mentioned the bookstore on St John's Place near Utica-I think it was called the Utica Stamp and Coin Shop but we always called it Harry's-after the owner; a ferret-like lawyer named Harry Blumberg who worked as a City Hall lawyer during the day and opened the store for a few hours in the late afternoon. He mostly sold stamps and books. I was a book-ish kind of kid and frequented the store quite a bit since the books were really cheap-and when I had no money for buying them(a very common situation) I would, on occasion, "liberate" one or two.
As Richie Rubin well knows(Hello Richie!!) many of us hung out on Spring nights on the corner of Schenectady and Unions Sts. We would flirt, bullshit, insult and "rank" one another-all the things kids that age, in that time, did. There were as many as 60 kids there on any given evening-and no benches to sit on either.! We would use Packman's store as a supply house for soda's, etc. for replenishing ourselves. Not too much fighting, either, given the multi-ethnic mix of the group.
Ive lived in the Boston area for the past 35 years but now and then I meet someone here
from that time and place and een if we never knew one another we immediately fall into a nostalgic rapport.
Sometimes a person lived only a few blocks from me(I lived on President St.) and was only a year younger or older but we had never met and often never even heard of one another. My wife has trouble believing such a thing can happen but those buildings in Crown Heights were really packed with kids born during and after WW 2.
It was a great time and it still fills my dreams today!! Regards to all of you who were there too. Larry Prusak

Keith Bernstein: 25th Mar 2009 - 08:53 GMT

Hi Larry--

I enjoyed your message. I'm a couple of years behind you and remember a girl named Jane Fazio in my first- and second-grade classes. She might be related to the Judy in your message. In addition, I remember the stamp store (it was on the north side of St Johns east of Utica, I think); my cousin and I bought stamps and stamp collecting supplies there but haven't thought about the place in 50 years. I still have stamps I bought there in a stamp album in my basement.

Please check out a link towards the end of my entry on this site dated November 3, 2008. There is a file at that web site containing photos of PS 167. I'd like to tour the school I left in June, 1959; if the piano in the auditorium is the same one that was there then, I'd surely like to play it again as I did over 50 years ago.

Richie Rubin: 28th Mar 2009 - 16:35 GMT

Larry P;yep I'M still fotzink around in Beserk-ly,Calif.
but think of dem daze in Crown Hts.5 decades ago!I'M in
touch w/Carole Cohen aka`Foxy'who lives in s.Fla.& I saw
Judy Oshinsky in s.Fla.a few yrs ago!her bro.Alan the body
builder,died a while back..10 yrs?..feh!..who wants to hear/
see crappy news..no?..I wish Ed Poska would join dis blog,
WE exchange e-mails..often..& as YOU may have heard,MY sis
Teri died `bout a yr ago..do you remember her?oh well,life
must go on!..no?.yeah,dis is a terrif.site..tell all 167
alums to visit/add to OUR list..dig?...

paul g.: 28th Mar 2009 - 19:00 GMT

I haven't visited the neighborhood for decades but went by recently. I used to live at 1367 St. John's.
When did they put that firehouse across the street on the corner of Schenectady?

steve k: 29th Mar 2009 - 00:24 GMT

Linda Bluth? Any relation to the Bluth's who used to own the Famous Restaurant on Eastern Parkway. My best friend Lester Bluth and I used to go through the kitchen and help ourselves to ice cream from a big freezer. I was so small back then that a big guy in the kitchen would lower me into the freezer by hanging me from my ankles so I could scoop out some ice cream.
I also went to PS 221, then Winthrop and Wingate for a year before we moved to Sheepshead Bay. I lived at 888 Montgomery Street next to the schoolyard so my world consisted of home.....then the schoolyard......home.....then the schoolyard...........

MandT: 30th Mar 2009 - 13:56 GMT

Anyone live near 1438 Eastern Parkway and remember the birthday corsages we would get. Sweet 16 was sugar cubes. Also,there was a family with five daughters who went to PS189, John Marshall and Wingate and Thomas Jefferson?

Ed Poska: 31st Mar 2009 - 15:39 GMT

OK! OK! To Larry & Richie, you finally got me to add something here.
It seems that most of it has been said so I can only adds a few names. Connie Hawkins & Billy Cannon. Kind of off Eastern Parkway.
That was schoolyard basketball & Phil's Candy Store, W/Jukebox, on Franklin Ave & Crown & Montgomery Sts. Who is Paul G.? I lived at 1375 St. Johns. Did I know you, did you know Marty & Phyllis Weinberg? Did you live in Alan Mandell's building? To Esther, I lived right across the street from Freidman's & have a photo of me, Harold Nudelman & Paul Stone, all St. Johns residents, with Freidman's in the background. Did anyone shop at 3 BBB's family owned Dep't. store on St. Johns and Troy?

Ed Poska: 31st Mar 2009 - 16:41 GMT

And to Carole (Foxy) Cohen. Hello! How the heck are you? I get some updates from rubini on your whereabouts & hope that all is well.

Amy : 1st Apr 2009 - 16:40 GMT

Hello- Wondering if anyone out there remembers my mom Maria Thereoulis and her sister Theo they lived on Eastern Parkway, or maybe Ira or Marvin, same Eastern Parkway block. Would love to hear back. My mother has spoke often of egg creams, spalding balls, the memorial day parade. She graduated 1961 Wingate.

Richie Rubin: 4th Apr 2009 - 16:17 GMT

ED Poska;it's`bout time!,WE ALL got lots to tell of OUR daze
in Crown Hts & beyond..ANYONE who`hung out'@ Harry's/Benny's
poolroom on St.Johns pl.twixt UTICA & Skin-Neck-Titty aves;
contact US..dig?..it's been 5 decades!..no?or took subway
to Steeplechase pier in dead of winter to fish for whiting
& flounder..what were WE thinking?

gcl: 5th Apr 2009 - 01:09 GMT

In answer to Paul G's question: The firehouse on the corner of St. Johns and Schnectady was opened in 1977. It was built as the new home for Engine 234 and the Chief of the 38th Battalion (they moved from their old firehouse at 1472 Bergen St. bet. Schnectady and Troy) and Hook and Ladder 123 who moved from their firehouse on Bergen St. and Ralph Ave.

Hal G: 5th Apr 2009 - 01:58 GMT

I was born in 1953 at Unity Hospital on St. John's Place. We lived at 1420 Eastern Parkway (between Ralph and Howard) in a 3 bedroom apartment across from the Eastern Parkway Arena and Brooklyn Womens' Hospital that my parents were paying $52.18 a month rent (it was my grandmother's apartment and rent controlled). My sister was born at Peck Memorial. We went to P.S. 198 and when the weather was nice my mother met us with our lunch and we ate in Lincoln Terrace Part. When I was older I took my sister out for lunch with me to Gail's Luncheonette, the kosher deli across from Gail's (name?) or Irving's Knishery on the corner of East 95th Street and Rutland Road (I was bar mitzvahed at the shul down E. 95th from Irving's). My best friend's parents owned Paul's Luncheonette around the corner from our apartment on Pitkin Ave. near Howard across from Long Motors. We ate at Tony's Pizzeria and Victor's Kosher Deli along with The Famous and Dubrow's (Garfield's on Sundays). We shopped at Trademore on St. John's Place. My grandparents lived on Lincoln Place, my aunt and uncle on President Street. I went to Sommers JHS (SP program) and bought knishes through the fence at lunch time. I had a school savings account at the East New York Savings Bank. We had relatives in Spring Valley and it used to seem like it took all day by car to get there...it took all day just to finally pass by Yankee Stadium the Interboro to the Van Wyck to the Whitestone Bridge to the Major Deagen. I remember the great Memorial Day parades on Eastern Parkway with tanks and soldiers. In '65 we moved to East 8th and Ave. P and I did the 9th grade at Cunningham JHS then Lafayette ('70) and Brooklyn College. Hope I stirred up some memories...you all have for me. Thanks.

Howard : 5th Apr 2009 - 20:38 GMT

How about Protose Steak at the Famous, an all-veggie meat loaf like dish. My brother, Max, reminded me about a "shimolecha" which you did on the back of someone who hid his eyes. You made circles and then one of the players poked his back. He then had to guess who poked him; if he got it wrong he was "it" in ring-a-leevio or johnny on the pony.
Pig Town was down the block near East 92nd St. & Rutland Avenue. Another Dead Man's Hill was near East 93rd & Rutland.

Elliot Remler (Tempe, Az.): 7th Apr 2009 - 05:25 GMT

At PS 189 Ms. Esther F. Gruber taught 6th grade and lived on Eastern Parkway. She may be related to the original author of this endless commentary.
I was one of her students, and played a lot of pinkball handball at Lincoln
Terrace Park.I Spent the other half of my life in Brighton beach - bays 2, 7 & 12.,
and in the Sutter Theatre (now called Turner classic movies). Also made/sold pizzas on the boardwalk, near the Parachute. 480 838 8359

Elliot Remler (Tempe, Az.): 7th Apr 2009 - 05:39 GMT

HELENE CHUDLER ____ Where are you? I`ve carried a torch for 60 years and its getting heavy....... 480 838 8359

davida: 7th Apr 2009 - 07:59 GMT

I guess I'll never find Stephen Coward who lived on Union St corner of franklin ave. Please keep this name in mind. To the son from Ben & Sol it was the best Deli in the world and I still lived on President St when it left and that was a sad day. The neighborhood went to hell.

Richie Rubin: 7th Apr 2009 - 19:21 GMT

Elliot R; ms.LIBERTY carried a torch & still is!.for much
l-o-n-g-e-r den YOU.&`tis much heavier!.no?.nah,YOU don't
know ME,p.s.167,St.Johns pl.& Utica,Tilden,Beserk-ley,cal.
still here!but I hadda fotz around w/YER torch shtick,it
made ME think of all the torches I carried from B'Klyn to
Calif...& like YOU..I shtill do!..anyone else out dere dat
is carryink a torch or more?...

Janet: 8th Apr 2009 - 23:04 GMT

There was a pool room over the Utica Theatre (the Itch)--I'd forgotten that until reminded here. The Utica stood alone like a monument separated by alleys on both sides. The box office (12 cents for a kid) was centered, flanked by a couple of metal-framed glass doors on either side. Of course, there were the lobby cards in windows too. The ticket man stood right inside the short lobby (were there lobby cards inside?). As you entered the theatre (who then would ever think of the Utica as a 'theatre'?), everything looked big enough to a kid (not monstrous like the Congress--that one on Buffalo had a real lobby, side aisles--and a balcony, no less!). Movies, the hated short documentaries (war stuff), the ten-cent stamps for our war bond books, the beloved cartoons, and dishes on Tuesdays. Who could ask for anything more?

harry petchesky: 9th Apr 2009 - 18:39 GMT

Yes, I did help organize a PS 241 reunion about 10 years ago. We gave all the addresses to the school adminstators in the hope that they would keep things going. I know Joan Hamburg whose husband Skip went to 241. She gave us a mention on her radio show the Monday AFTER the saturday event. I still spend lots of time in Brooklyn through my work with my high school, Poly Prep, and my participation in the Crossword Puzzle championship which is now held at the Brooklyn Marriott.

If anyone hasn't been in Brooklyn recently, go back. Almost every neighborhood has been revived and there are some great restaurants, especially along Smith Street. My daughter lives in Red Hook and I tried to get my son to buy a coop next door to our old apartment at 41 Eastern Parkway. It was sold for $1.2 million before he could get to see it. When we moved from our three bedroom apartment in 1964, the rent was $162 a month and young people were buying mansions in Park Slope for $30,000.

Once on Monday Night Football Howard Cosell talked about playing touch football on the long narrow island on Eastern Parkway and describing how the benches were used as to block the defenders. We had great punchball games on the lawn in front of the Brooklyn Museum and went sleigh riding behind in. Now these areas are concrete.

The public schools were great, the Dodgers were the best, and the schoolyard was the center of our universe. Wouldn't it be great if our kids and theirs could live that life again!

Maria in Maine: 9th Apr 2009 - 23:09 GMT

I remember early Memorial Day morning how quiet it was except for the sounds of the parade bands getting ready for marching. I remember always getting a new American Flag to hold to watch the parade. Usually a new cap rocket or gun and caps help keep the specialty of the day go on and on. When I think back to those great old days I think of the Bungalow Bar ice cream truck, italian lemon ices, egg creams, potsy, stoop ball, stickball, roller skates and skate keys, spaulding balls, plastic bubbles, Good Humor ice cream truck. I remember waiting in line on Sat. to get into the Eastern Parkway Skating Arena, the Sat. movies at the Lowes Pitkin. I remember the "Coffee Pot" on the corner and Paul's around the corner, the Deluxe Palace, the Texaco service station on the corner, Brooklyn Woman's Hospital...where I was born. I remember staying home from school to see President Eisenhower throw the ball to start the World Series. I remember Truman, Harriman, Stevenson, and President Kennedy the day he came to the Arena. I will always remember the Brooklyn Dodgers...they were the best. I remember those hot nights we stayed out late sitting with our neighbors on our stoops gabbing away. I may not remember what happened yesterday, but I'm surely never going to forget those grand old days in Brooklyn. I do wish my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren could have those memories....but things are really different now. We may not have had much but we really didn't know it. Life was easy. My feelings are "A DAY IS NEVER OVER IF IT MAKES A MEMORY". I sure have some great memories.....and happy ones at that.

Richie Rubin: 12th Apr 2009 - 14:23 GMT

Maria in Maine;AMEN!..what fun lives WE led way back then,
yep,things,neighborhoods,life has changed,I don't know if
Hi-Tech was/is an improvment.kids don't play in the streets
like WE did!..they'd rather play video games..indoors!..no?
& chat/text on cell phones etc.all day!observe..you'll see!
well,@ least in Beserk-ly,ca.where it seems:all kids of all
ages have cells!WE used to blah,blah,blah in person after WE
dialed..yep,dialed on OUR home phones w/letters as the 1st.
two`numbers'>PR-4,HY-6,DE-8,SL-5,etc.remember those?.& no
ZIP & AREA codes!..simple lives then..no?..

Deanna (Baime) Tibbs: 12th Apr 2009 - 17:45 GMT

Hello fellow landsmen and women. I grew up in a lovely apartment at 1225 Eastern Parkway, across from the park. I went to PS 191 in the 50s and John Marshall 210 in 7th grade. Most of my family lived in the general vicinity. My grandfather had a pharmacy on the corner of Rochester Ave and St. John's Place. Suekers Drug Store. It was across the street from Singer's Hardware, a candy store, (where we had egg creams and cherry no-cal soda) for the 1st time and a deli restaurant. Next door was Julius's
Delicatessin and meat. Also luscious pickles in barrels for a nickel. Next to Julius's was a bakery with the best Charlotte Rousse. I remember snow days playing on Eastern Parkway and the wonderful smells of spring as the Memorial Day Parade passed by. All of us kids playing as the parents and grandparents sat on benches along the parkway under those lovely Maple trees that lined the street. Catching fireflies in the summer. Thanks for the great memories. And yes, Richie in Beserk-ly Ca. I still remember my phone # back then (Hy3-7618) after some 50+ years!

Howard : 23rd Apr 2009 - 17:10 GMT

Elliot (Peter Pan) Remler - I saw Helene Chudler at a party at a fraternity house at Syracuse University in the 1950's; she was there with her fiance and looked beautiful as ever. I was going to alfred University at the time and visited Syracuse for a weekend. What happened to Iris Strauzer?
Howard Mendes from Esther Gruber's class

Howard : 23rd Apr 2009 - 17:27 GMT

Carroll Theater Utica Avenue Brooklyn

Jessica: 26th Apr 2009 - 09:44 GMT

Looking for information about my grandparents' restaurant on 6729 Bay Parkway in Brooklyn from 1925 through 1950 or so. Presumably, it was called, "Low's Kosher Hungarian Restaurant". Any memories, insights...??

Bill H: 27th Apr 2009 - 21:50 GMT

Peter: Your photos are really something to be seen. Brooklyn has really changed since I grew up there. My parents bought a house at 1187 St Marks Ave in 1929 just before the great depression.They were fortune enough to keep it by my father driving a truck days and a taxi at night.They sold it and moved to Flatbush in 1960.It was a great neighborhood to grow up in. We were Irish, Italian, German, Swedes, Catholics, Protestants, Jewish, Black and White but we all grew up together. Willy Thompson(now a retired apellate court judge in Brooklyn) was just another kid on the block along with his cousin Austin. I moved to Denver in 1946 after WWII and returned many times to visit family and friends. In 1965 I took my kids to see the old neighborhood and our house was in the process of being torn down to make room for the new police station on the corner of St Marks and Utica Aves. Could I impose upon you to take some pictures of St Marks Ave, St Marys Hospital and St Matthews school if they are still there? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your time and the pictures. I am sure that everyone who has seen your pictures really appreciate your works of art.

Theresa: 28th Apr 2009 - 21:33 GMT

hello, can anyone help me i have found out my aunts went to live with their uncle on Bedford Avenue in 1926 "McCormick"can anyone help?

herb r: 1st May 2009 - 00:58 GMT

My grandparents lived at 763 Eastern Pkwy in the 1940's and early 1950's. I remember visiting them (I lived and still do live in RI) and the most vivid memories are of the sounds at night. The traffic, the garbage trucks, the police and fire sirens, etc. were very impressive to a 15 year old. My grandfather would take me to ride the subway (there are none in RI) and wonder of wonders - at the end of the line we were above ground. Walks on Eastern Pkwy were punctuated with "ices" sold by sidewalk vendors and the memory of the tastes persist even now. My grandfather was a "meat man." He owned a meat processing factory making pastrami, corned beef, hot dogs, etc. His advice was to stick to the pastrami and corned beef. He did elaborate on why I should avoid the hot dogs. I have not been back to that neighborhood for over 50 years but a visit is on my list.

Peter: 1st May 2009 - 01:01 GMT

funny youd mention it... those very "sounds at night" are why this site is called citynoise. when i first moved to nyc, i couldnt sleep due to all the noise. so i decided to fall in love with it and let it lull me to sleep instead of keep me awake.

ramona: 10th May 2009 - 02:48 GMT

HalG April 5th...you mentioned Paul's Luncheonette on Pitkin and Howard Aves...was the owner John Davis...sons Glenn and Gary by any chance?

ajschure: 14th May 2009 - 17:56 GMT

hey bubsy sullivan from sterling pl. can you respond to me if you are still out there reading these posts!!!

Chuck Simms: 15th May 2009 - 19:11 GMT

I lived at 1512 Park Place throughout the '50's and attended P.S. 191. We used to watch the Memorial Day parade on Eastern Parkway, where the city stapled american flags to the trees. We tried to remove the flags after the parade but we were too short!

Memories of my neighborhood recall George Singer's hardware shop on St. Johns at Rochester, Lisa's luncheonette at Sterling and Rochester and of course the Congress Theater at St. Johns and Buffalo.

We patronized the Good Humor Man and shunned Bungalo Bar, we drank our Bosco, Coco Marsh, and Flavor Straws and were faithful viewers of Howdy, Mickey, and Rocky Jones. I do miss those days, growing up, in Brooklyn.

Maria in Maine: 16th May 2009 - 01:19 GMT

I just read in an old readers digest that "when we start looking back in our lives we are getting old." Well not only that I was born in l943, and the body sags here and there and everywhere, and I have 9 children, 16 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren, my husband of 43 years past away 4 years ago.....that should be all I need to tell me I'm not as young as I once was. Looking back to growing up in Brooklyn on Eastern Parkway tells me I at least still have my memory and in my thoughts and when pondering I can have total recall of some of the best care-free times of my life. I can remember every Sunday after a big dinner my Dad would take us to Lincoln Terrace Park for the afternoon. I realize now my Mom needed a break....And my Dad could push us the highest on those swings. The slide was the tallest and the monkey bars where the neatest. It seemed to me the sand box was the best to take your shoes off and dig your feet in. What fun

Maria in Maine: 16th May 2009 - 01:36 GMT

Sorry I hit submit 4 times too many!! LOL

Howard Mendes: 16th May 2009 - 10:24 GMT

Anyone remember Dugan's Bakery trucks? Milk bottles delivered to your door? The seltzer man?
World War II rationing (gasoline, shoes, sugar, etc.) and air raid blackouts? We were told by the Civilian Defense to prepare for air raids. Every few months air raid sirens would sound and you would have to turn off all your lights and the street lights would go off also. Joe Comack was the air raid warden for our block. He had an official arm band, whistle, flashlight and metal helmet. He would patrol the street and blow the whistle if he spotted any light coming from your house. He was very patriotic and always had an American flag in front of his house. As kids, we would make fun of him because he was so serious and so certain that he was saving the whole neighborhood from an enemy attack. Supposedly, German submarines were spotted off Coney Island and the Rockaways. We kids spread rumors like that all the time because there was a real panic about an attack.
Mayor Fiorello La Guardia wondered "if the Republic could even guarantee the defense of Coney Island". A submarine net was again erected at the Narrows from Norton's Point in Coney Island to Hoffman Island to protect New York Harbor..

mary: 22nd May 2009 - 21:11 GMT

does anyone remember james and mary mccormick in bedford avenue?

Sol: 24th May 2009 - 16:06 GMT

During WWII, the Decoration Day (i.e. Memorial Day) Parade down Eastern Parkway was always memorable. Large 48-star American flags hung from the 2nd floor windows of the brownstones. U.S. army, navy, marine & coast guard troops, as well as tanks, artillery pieces, veterans groups, mounted police, and lots of marching bands came down the center of the Parkway. Friends & relatives would make their once-per-year visit so that they could sit on our stoop and get an unobstructed view of the parade. Flags were fastened to all the trees. The trees had bronze markers honoring a specific lost service person. The parade would end at Grand Army Plaza where there would be a ceremony to honor the military service personnel lost in the wars.
I'm sorry to note that apparently there will no such observance on Eastern Parkway this year.

Sol: 24th May 2009 - 16:06 GMT

During WWII, the Decoration Day (i.e. Memorial Day) Parade down Eastern Parkway was always memorable. Large 48-star American flags hung from the 2nd floor windows of the brownstones. U.S. army, navy, marine & coast guard troops, as well as tanks, artillery pieces, veterans groups, mounted police, and lots of marching bands came down the center of the Parkway. Friends & relatives would make their once-per-year visit so that they could sit on our stoop and get an unobstructed view of the parade. Flags were fastened to all the trees. The trees had bronze markers honoring a specific lost service person. The parade would end at Grand Army Plaza where there would be a ceremony to honor the military service personnel lost in the wars.
I'm sorry to note that apparently there will no such observance on Eastern Parkway this year.

Sol: 24th May 2009 - 16:06 GMT

During WWII, the Decoration Day (i.e. Memorial Day) Parade down Eastern Parkway was always memorable. Large 48-star American flags hung from the 2nd floor windows of the brownstones. U.S. army, navy, marine & coast guard troops, as well as tanks, artillery pieces, veterans groups, mounted police, and lots of marching bands came down the center of the Parkway. Friends & relatives would make their once-per-year visit so that they could sit on our stoop and get an unobstructed view of the parade. Flags were fastened to all the trees. The trees had bronze markers honoring a specific lost service person. The parade would end at Grand Army Plaza where there would be a ceremony to honor the military service personnel lost in the wars.
I'm sorry to note that apparently there will no such observance on Eastern Parkway this year.

Stan: 26th May 2009 - 15:07 GMT

I guess I go back a little farther than most.

My dad was a veteran of the first World War and we went to the parade every year, me sitting on his shoulders and wearing his helmet. Between the two world wars the parade started at Grand Army Plaza, went along Eastern Parkway to Bedford Avenue and then went down to Atlantic Avenue.

The same WWI vets sold poppies in the street. Poppies were based on the battle in France "In Flanders fields the poppies grow, among the crosses, row on row etc". We always bought from the same disabled ex-soldier. I still buy them today.

Amazing - once a Brooklynite, always a Brooklynite no matter where you are now.

Who remembers "Murphy's Temple?"

Alan Kupperberg: 29th May 2009 - 15:52 GMT

In the early 1930’s my Grandmother Ann Kupperberg and her sister Nettie Tockman leased a small retail space at 881 Eastern Parkway between Albany and Troy Avenues and opened The Netann Gift Shoppe. The enterprise also boasted a small “circulating” or lending library. The shop shared the building with “Murphy’s Shul,” so-called because a certain Mr. Murphy owned the building.

Maria in Maine: 29th May 2009 - 20:39 GMT

On Monday my town had it's small but proud Memorial Day Parade. A parade of about 20 minutes long. One police car with flashing blue lights, a few Veterans proudly marching, a Flag procession with a drum, a car with Veterans who waved proudly, a Boy Scout troop, an excited group of happy brownies and their leaders, our high school band that played patriotic music, two fire trucks from our town and another police car with lights going. Not at all like the Eastern Parkway Memorial Day Parade of my past....Small but still the great thrill of being an American lingers on within me.
I also loved my poppy and still buy them from the Veterans.

Always Always Always a Brooklynite!!!!!

Chic: 1st Jun 2009 - 03:31 GMT

I watched the parade at Schnectady Av.every man would remove his hat & salute as the flag went by.Honeys was originally on St.Johns near Troy .In later years I bought Harrys poolroom ,Johnny Bruni ran it for me PS.167 is the only school I ever graduated from I see Richie Rubin & Julia Estrella post on this site Richie once threw a life sized doll off the roof of his apartment building while all the yentas were on the stoop that caused a little bit of a stir. My wife Barbara Silverman baby sat Julia .Bubsy Sullivan lived on my block Still miss B`klyn

ajschure: 1st Jun 2009 - 13:49 GMT

hey chic you may not remember me arnie hung out with john pete bobby bruni frank dietz still in touch with pete bruni but he is very sick down here in fl johnny and bobby both gone!!my other buddy bobby sullivan from sterling pl.the boys from the hill!!!

Chic: 1st Jun 2009 - 14:53 GMT

Hi Arnie,I remember all you guys but don`t recall which one you were.I knew Johnny was gone I was at his funeral,what got Bobby,when ? I spoke to petes former bro in-law Joe over the holidays as I always do.I`m in NJ. now for the last 35 years,winding down a career as a real estate broker.It is always nice to hear from some one from the hood ,where are you now ?

ajschure: 2nd Jun 2009 - 00:13 GMT

hey chic bobby died i belive sometime in the 80!s got sick pete is down in davie fl.he is very sick brain tumor and cancer through out not much time left seen him in feb after his brain surgery was ok then but it has all spread and he been going down hill since i live near daytona fl do you remember joel prussin??he is in butler nj do you remember the sullivans from sterling pl??ive been trying for years to locate any of the family!!

Chic: 2nd Jun 2009 - 02:23 GMT

hey Arnie,i lived 2 doors away from bubsy sullivan but i think you`re too young to know bubsy, he`d be pushing 80 ,had a club foot that didn`t slow him down a bit.i lived at 1320 sterling for 20 years til i got married in 1956.don`t recall prussin. my e-mail... sterlingtroy4@aol.com

larry stern: 5th Jun 2009 - 00:36 GMT

Great memories. I lived at 135 Eastern Parkway and attended 241 until we moved in 1949, that was a sad day. My teachers were Miss Goodman,Heinz, Stanley Ganley and Miss McCaferty, I always had a conduct book. I hung out at Ben& Sols,Ebbets Field, Wohl's Drug Store, The Bell Cinema, played punch ball in the playgroung and used to sleigh ride behind the Brooklyn Museum. My friends were Dick Turner, Steve Peskin, Harry Petchesky Billy otto and Harvey Wechsler. My grandparents lived at 225 Eastern Parkway. I am excited about discovering this site and hope to hear from someone who shares common memories

Richie Rubin: 5th Jun 2009 - 00:48 GMT

CHIC;hey!,I'M still throwin'dummies off HIGH places,but in
BESERK-LY CA;I moved outta B'KLYN in`69[after Woodstock]but
I go back on occasion..yeah,it was a terrif.education,but
it changed for the worst in MY`hood,I do miss B'KLYN,but
mostly MY good memories of it.HARRY's poolroom?[after Benny]
when did YOU buy it? Benny owned it in`62 when WE moved to
E.8th st.& ave.U..are you: Chic Chichester?lemme know!

Chic: 5th Jun 2009 - 04:18 GMT

Benny & I were partners until he died of cancer,Isold out in 1976 after 15 years.Moved to Jersey & became a real estate broker.Keep in touch with many from the hood. What do you do,or did you do ?

Julia Astralla.: 5th Jun 2009 - 21:26 GMT

Hey AJSCHURE: make sure that little Tony Stopanio knows about Petey Bruni's death, ok. ?

Julia Astralla.: 5th Jun 2009 - 21:30 GMT

To: Larry Prusak, I think I remember you, from 167, it was my 50th. reunion, too bad some of us all over the country, did not know any of it !aso: for Paul G. 1367 st. john's place, I lived in 1399 st. john's place, could we have known each other ?

Richie Rubin: 6th Jun 2009 - 04:11 GMT

Julia A;Larry Prusack lived on Union st.nr.Utica & Ed Poska
sent ME an e-mail pic.of Larry,Ed ,& Steve Shiffman from
Sterling pl.@ dat reunion!,still cool guys!sorry to hear `bout Pete Bruni.CHIC e-mailed & informed ME.Barbara typed
dat HER grandma was matron @ Utica theater W/Mrs.Turtle,
& lived in Your bldg[1399 St.Johns pl.]remember those great
kiddie shows on sat.mats? silly contests & prizes,I won a
chinese marble game drinking milk out of a baby bottle!&
Alan Blicker won a`Jukette-Juke-box'blowing up a balloon
filled W/flour..`til it burst!what fun those shows were,
also 10 cartoonw/an Abbott&Costello or Bowery Boys movie,
& main double features!..all for .10 or.15 cents & that
loud .10cent popcorn machine dat never had enough bags,
there was also one @ Congress nr.Buffalo ave.I miss all
dat youthful fun..don't you ALL?..a time machine.no?

no name: 6th Jun 2009 - 17:34 GMT

This is for Julia:
I wonder if you remember me? My friends at 167 were Joyce Davidson, Marcia Katel, Jill Rhine, Enid Dunne, Judy Rubin,
Anita Seldes, Natalie Schliefer (who had a cousin Nathan}.
I used to rent bikes from the Bruni's on Saturdays. Do you remember Tony Stopiano?

Julia Astralla.: 8th Jun 2009 - 21:16 GMT

Hi no-name, Alot of those girls were good friends back in the day ! Especially, Anita, Enid, Marcia, Judy and Natalie. Used to correspond with Anita and Judy for a long time, some yrs. back, but both of them fell off the side of the earth ! As for "LITTLE TONY" well, you can write my e/mail, and we'll talk .................
littlegarbanzobean@yahoo.com have a great day, J.

Shaya Kilimnick: 9th Jun 2009 - 02:21 GMT

Lincoln Terrace park....a real treat on Saturday ( shabbos) afternoon....in the 50s...all the students from the crown heights yeshiva, from brownsville, chaim berlin, and from east new york, etc..used to meet and it was just great......blind mans bluff, eastern pkwy...gorgeous..!! remember the three stooges visiting the congress theatre and buffolo bob and clarobel...coming there...who remembers victors deli on st johns place and rochester and ikes candy store on buffalo and park place...? what ever happened to punch ball and hitting a homer over the trees.....and punching the ball two sewers....do people still remember the tragedy at 210 joh marshall jr high...? stoop ball, box base ball, hit the penny, chinese hand ball....and above all Mighty Atom....who performed feats of strength and had an exhibit store next to ps191..great memories....keep them coming

Peter: 9th Jun 2009 - 02:24 GMT

though im not from the neighborhood, ive sort of gotten sucked in to watching everyones memories unfold here. interesting stuff. i also wanted to take a moment to see if any of you happen to have any photos from the neighborhood back then? i lived near there for a while a couple of years ago, and would love seeing them.

upload instructions: citynoise.org/about.php#faq8

or just email them to editors @ citynoise.org :)

Mary Ann: 9th Jun 2009 - 05:45 GMT

Memories are made of many of above comments. I graduated from St. Matthew's on Lincoln Pl at Utica Ave and St. Matthew's church in the 50s, then attended Bishop McDonnell Memorial High which was at 260 Eastern Parkway. I lived on Park Pl between Schenectady and Troy until late 60s and often walked to high school along Eastern Parkway or St. John's Place. I vividly recall taking the IRT at the Utica Ave station to shop downtown at Abraham & Strauss, Martin's Dept Store, and Mays Dept store and MILES shoes downtown as well as next to the Five and Dime Woolworth's store on Utica Avenue between St. John's Place and Lincoln Pl. My dentist was a long flight of stairs above the Utica movie theatre. I remember the delicious bakery rolls from bakeries located along Schenectady Ave, delicious hotdogs and potatoe knishes from shop on St. John's Place, and the pickel lady standing near the pickel barrel on Lincoln Pl at Schenectady Ave. I recall going to White Castle for burgers, and, of course, going to DUBROW's after Sunday Mass at St. Matthew's. So delicious. I've travelled and lived in many different places across the country, but my heart still goes back to what I remember as being Home on Park Place. Best wishes to you and yours for Health and Happiness, Mary Ann

Maria in Maine: 9th Jun 2009 - 18:53 GMT

I graduated from John Marshall Jr High (210) in 1958. We had a lot of problems going on there at that time. I remember how hard it was for me to leave home to attend, but I did it. The loss of our principal was truly a great tragedy. Our school paper did an article about the situation at the time. When I find it I will share. Even though times were hard I still remember some wonderful friends I made there. We did have some good times.
Brooklynites had the best idea's for some of the most interesting street games back in those days. We did have fun, and didn't have to go far to find it.
Here are a couple of questions.
I know a mens clothing store burned down on Pitkin Ave. I was there watching it. Was it Robert Halls?
I remember we had just gotten home from buying new shoes for the first day of school, so end of August, I was standing outside and it felt like we had an earthquake but it wasn't. Something blew-up. Does anyone remember that? What was it?
I found a couple of pictures taken of me way back then. I was in front of our apartment building on Eastern Parkway. To the side of me was the most beautiful street light I've ever seen. Another one showed me with my wicker baby carriage and doll and I was standing next to the running board of an old car. Wow...in one brief sentence I aged myself big time. Brooklyn back then was really quite beautiful. But all these memories are really th e best.

Chic: 9th Jun 2009 - 19:25 GMT

TO MARY ANN I hated Dr. Doreck your dentist.my wife just reminded me that he was murdered in his office so I shouldn`t say that.I lived on Sterling bet. Schnectady & Troy & remember all the same shoppes. Are you one of the Santors? I sign onto a number of B`klyn sites plus classmates
,but seldom see anything from St. Matts ,It seemed like we had 50 or more kids on my block Irish or Italian. ....E-mail ;sterlingtroy4@aol.com

harry petchesky: 9th Jun 2009 - 23:41 GMT

I just returned from my 50th Reunion at Cornell. Before going I looked through the Freshman Register which listed all 2,200 in our entering class including lots of kids from every public high school in Brooklyn. Remarkably, 11 members of our class went tro PS 241. Three of us Carol Horowitz Schulhof, Rosalid Bakst Goldman, and I showed up. The other 8 should have they missed an incredible weekend.

harry petchesky: 10th Jun 2009 - 13:52 GMT

Oops. I must be getting old. I failed to include Beth Amster Hess, my first girlfriend. We were both in baby carriages at 41 Eastern Parkway. I being older was allowed to look into Beth's carriage. By the way, her first cousun is Ruth Bader Ginsberg, a James Madison alumna.

Doc S.......: 10th Jun 2009 - 14:25 GMT

Chic:
In your last post you mentioned a dentist named "Doreck"...
Are you sure it wasn't "Dooreck"? If it was, I vaguely remember him, but more than that, I used to pal around with his son, Jay, who played bass with our band for awhile. I was a part-time musician before I became, guess what?, a DENTIST!!!! Sorry to hear about Dr. D's untimely end - just another item that makes me think about retiring.

Richie Rubin: 11th Jun 2009 - 00:43 GMT

PETER, hit:> brooklynpix.com < terrif pix of ALL B'klyn hoods
Crown hts. has 2 links,but ALL pix will make YOU smile!

Peter: 11th Jun 2009 - 02:29 GMT

oh totally, and thats a great site, richie. i was just thinking maybe more personal and less generic photos. havent checked brooklynpix in a while, though, so ill definitely do that now...

Alan Kupperberg: 12th Jun 2009 - 11:00 GMT

To Mary Ann

I lived at 261 Buffalo Ave at St. Johns Place and went to P.S. 191. And I vividly recall the photos of Mighty Atom in the store window. Started Kindergarten on Sept. 9, 1959 and my teacher was Mrs. Greenberg. To paraphrase Rich Rubin, "O, dem daze!"

Alan Kupperberg: 12th Jun 2009 - 11:04 GMT

To Shaya Kilimnick

Became so excited recalling the Mighty Atom, I addressed my post to the wrong postee. I think I'm okay now!

Alan Kupperberg: 12th Jun 2009 - 11:09 GMT

Maria in Maine:

The men's clothing store on Pitkin Avenue was Ripley's. They also had a store on Utica Ave at Eastern Parkway.

Keith Bernstein: 12th Jun 2009 - 13:46 GMT

To Maria in Maine: I remember the explosion, having heard it myself. It sounded like "poof" (rather than "bang") from far away and lasted a couple of seconds. It was pretty loud and gave the impression of being very powerful. I don't know what caused it but I think it occured in the northern part of Brooklyn. I couldn't find any references to it on the web but did find references to other Brooklyn explosions, which leads me to believe it caused more noise than actual destruction or injuries.

It sounds like your experiences at JHS 210 were pretty bad. What was it like there? I would have entered 210 in 1959 had we not moved from Crown Heights so I'm curious about it.

I still miss Silver's knish store after 50 years.

Maria in Maine: 12th Jun 2009 - 16:52 GMT

For Keith Bernstein,

Until I had my own children and got them through JHS did I realize what a hard transition it is for students to make the changes that are needed to become more independent and adjusted to situations around them. In 210 it was so much harder I feel because of the amount of students that attended. How the kids grouped together and their attitude toward other groups. Some of the things I remember are of how the teachers were treated...Not good...I remember once a student had words with our teacher, the student started to hit the teacher and I remember her running into the closet. Many days after we were in our classes the doors on all the classrooms were locked...you could hear fighting or something in the halls but until we were changing for class, we were not allowed in the halls. I remember a gang fight in our school yard (I watched from our classroom) when two gangs were fighting and a trash can lid was smashed through a guys chest. A ring of blood came through his tee shirt. Sad. I remember being beaten up and thrown down a couple of flights of stairs for something supposedly I said about someone.The strangest thing of all, is when we graduated and went on to High School, those same kids had made changes and then all was forgotten. It sounds crazy, but true.
After I graduated and was on my way to Wingate, my parents decided to move, and they did to Wyona and New Lots Ave. So my siblings did not have to attend 210. Closer to my Dad's work.
But when times in 210 were good they were very very good. I had made so many good friends while I was there. Had some of the best teachers. Learned how to survive through some harsh times. I do believe it made me a better and more appreciative person of life and others.

I'll take an egg cream with my knish.......

Keith Bernstein: 13th Jun 2009 - 00:16 GMT

Hi Maria--Your experience was awful. Sounds like my parents did me a good turn by moving the family when they did. I had some run-ins in junior and senior high school but nothing like what you describe.

As for egg creams: happily it is easy to get Fox's U-Bet chocolate syrip, said to be necessary for a real egg cream, in New Jersey, so my wife and I can have them whenever we want to. Silver's potato knishes, however, were one-of-a-kind, with a thin, flaky crust the like of which I have never had since. Very different were the salty, thin, oblong-shaped knishes one bought from the knish man who used to walk along Eastern Parkway; those were good but Silver's were great.

Stan:: 13th Jun 2009 - 15:17 GMT

Oh, those knishes from the rolling cart on Eastern Parkway were great. I would like to get the recipe if anyone has it.

Anyone remember the Jelly apple cart? The merry-go-round on a truck. The "I cash clothes man"? The sweet potato cart?

Janet: 13th Jun 2009 - 19:18 GMT

I went to 210 in the late 40's and graduated in 1949. From there I went to Tilden High (I believe Wingate was about to be built--and Wingate became the high school serving the St. John's Place neighborhood). I never liked 210 (John Marshall J.H.), but there was no violence of the type described here. Once a girl I knew to nod hello to had a fist fight with another girl over a boy (what else?), but both walked away a little bruised, no more. Lots of tough girls, but not in my sissy classes. I disliked the school because it was too far a walk every morning, the teachers were not as familiar, not as nice or helpful as they were over at 167 (where I should have stayed). I remember preparing for graduation. We were rehearsing a song in Mrs. Steinberg's class. Suddenly she walked over to a big, gangly kid, one of the class clowns, and whacked him in the face for fooling around when he should have been singing. It was a bit of a shock, but he behaved after that. Nobody messed with Mrs. Steinberg. 210 was never comfortable, never the kind of warm home that we'd known at 167.

Richie Rubin: 14th Jun 2009 - 02:51 GMT

STAN;dem knishes were terrif!but da guy who sold`em put so
much salt on`em..no wonder us who consumed the oversalted treats...got HIGH blood pressure..no?,& dem jelly apples & kiddie rides on trucks,BIG swing,whip,merry-go-round,etc.
they'd be called unsafe & banned today(no seatbelts!)&
dat guy who sold knishes,also had chestnuts in winter!
all food carts were outta Pitkin ave.& Chester st. as was `MOM's'knishes sold everywhere,esp.on da beach!by two bros.
who also sold warm orange drinks & soda w/ cold knishes!
I believe they were the Geffner bros.Jackie & Jerry? did
anyone`hang out'on bay 1-4,brighton bch? if so,you'd recall
these `knish'guys.& thick skinned`MOM's'knishes,but HIRSCHES
had best cheese/fruit knishes,even better than Mrs.STAHL's
but all & all,MRS.STAHL's was tastiest potato/kasha/cabbage

Esther (Herschman)Rechtschafner: 14th Jun 2009 - 16:44 GMT

I remember these names: Joyce Davidson, Marcia Katel, Jill Rhine, Enid Dunne, Judy Rubin,
Anita Seldes, Natalie Schliefer (who had a cousin Nathan}.They were in the same grade as me. If my memory is correct some of them moved, and left PS 167. I was sorry to red about Anita and Judy Rubin. Anita had a boyfriend named Joel.My friends wer Carlo Nadel, Clara Ferman,Brenda Patterson, Jackie Weiss and perhps a few others. I remember once going to visit Mrs. Berkowitz (our fourth grade teacher)with Natlie Sheifer. I went to visit Natalie when she moved to Fltbush. I also remember Sheila Cohen. She was very pretty. She live near/on Sterling corne Schenectady. There was a boy Stuart, who also lived near there. There was a girl Ronna Friedman who lived on St. John's PlacebetweenSchenectady and Utica Avenue's.
. there was a girl Arlene Lustig who lived on St. John's Place across the street from the post-office. Boys in the class were Michael Thaler, Marshall something and Elliot Perry.I aslo remember Saturday afternons in Lincoln terrace Park.
Now I live in ISRAEL. I have been living here since 1964.
Please continue writng and we shall all see what we can remember.

Esther (Herschman)Rechtschafner: 14th Jun 2009 - 17:42 GMT

I thought a bit more and now also remember:Alan
Rosenberg, Phyllis Asch, Robie Globus, Floyd Green,Lind Meranus, Floydene Coleman, Alan Rosenboom, Jay Gutchman, Robert Crawford ( the last 2 lived iin an orange appartment house on St. Johns Place corner Brooklyn Ave). My Mother heard that Jay Gutchman was killed when he was on a trip in Germany after he finished his army service there. there was a group of students from PS221 that came to PS 167 in seventh grade: Sisan Karp, Lori Weintraub, marilyn weisbrt and I suppose others. Mr. Klores liked Lori and Marilyn very much.

Esther (Herschman)Rechtschafner: 15th Jun 2009 - 19:42 GMT

To answer no name-Julia A. wrote on June 8: "Used to correspond with Anita and Judy for a long time, some yrs. back, but both of them fell off the side of the earth !" I hope I missunderstood this sentence. I keep on thinking of names that I forgot to list previously. Please excuse me.Do any of you remember Barbara Stein and Harriet Weiner? I was at Harriet's wedding in the summer of 1964. She lived on Union Street, between Schenectady and Utica Avenues. She had a neighbor named Beverly who once won a contest and thereby a date with Gary Coooper. I also remember Cheryl postal and alexis. They went on to the SP in 210. Cheryl always had something to talk about in the lower grades in "Show and Tell";she even used to explain he colorful and complicated drawings. Do any of you remember the "Weekend Logs"in Mr. Klores class? This was a very good way of filing up a Monday morning.

ajschure: 17th Jun 2009 - 01:14 GMT

hey maryanne was marie desoy or dorthea zacchio in any of your classes??

anon (205.214.176.27): 19th Jun 2009 - 17:03 GMT

My son doesn't believe that I waited at the subway near Ebbets Field for players autographs. He says "Yeah I can picture A Rod coming out of the subway" But we did wait there and many players like Dixie Walker, Pee Wee Reese, Pete Reiser, Gene Hermanski etc signed

Rick F.: 20th Jun 2009 - 15:53 GMT

Johnny Podres would take the BMT Franklin Ave line subway to the Eastern Parkway stop, get out at the President St exit and cut through the PS 241 schoolyard on his way to Ebbets Field. On occasion, he would stop and play an inning or two of pitch-in-the-box stickball. (He could, definitely, make a tennis ball curve!) Then he would be on his way. Imagine that happening, today!!!!

Doc S.......: 20th Jun 2009 - 16:14 GMT

anon - Tell your son that I got Duke Snider's and Carl Furillo's autographs the same way!

anon (207-237-254-214.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com): 20th Jun 2009 - 19:59 GMT

I got Jackie and Rachel Robinson's autograph and a candy bar and $1 from a Dodger many of you never heard of named Rocky Bridges

Barbara Ehrentreu (Levine): 22nd Jun 2009 - 08:49 GMT

I'm so happy that I got on this site! I went to PS 167 from 1950-1956 and JHS210 from 1956-1958. I graduated from the 6th grade and was in the SP there. I remember the principal killed himself. He jumped off the roof of his own building and I'll never forget that this gave us an afternoon off so we could attend the funeral. Gabe Pressman interviewed us outside the school and it was my first time on TV. I went to Wingate for a year when it was brand new and loved it there. But my parents who owned a store on St. John's Place, Dimm's, moved me to Kew Gardens and I went to Richmond Hill from 1959-1961.

Suzy R (Gradstein) do you have a sister Susan? I had your mother, Mrs. Gradstein for 6th grade in 1955-56. I remember everything you all said about the neighborhood, but especially Silver's for knishes. I used to go to the movies on Saturday mornings with a chicken sandwich on challah made by my grandmother. The Congress theater was filled with kids on Saturday mornings and we'd have a matron there to keep us in our seats. My friends and I always went in and out of the theater using the exit doors and it would drive the matron crazy. I was always losing things too. I remember we'd see 10 cartoons, then a short, the newsreel and finally the previews and two feature films. You could be there for hours. It was great and no adults like kids have today to hinder their freedom. When I think of it walking the long two blocks by myself would never be allowed today by a parent for an 8 year old.

My parent's store was right in the middle of St. Johns Place and we live at 1365 right near Schenectady Avenue. Cheap Sam's was on one side of the store and there was a toy store, Friedman's also with a German shepherd that made me really afraid of dogs. There was also a hardware store there and then a big building with an iron gate. This is so funny, because I actually wrote a story about that gate and what happened to me there.

I remember roaming around the neighborhood with a gang of kids and playing all of those games. I also had a friend named Ronna Friedman who moved away when I went into 210. I don't know if you remember me Esther, but if you lived on the other side of St. Johns Place you must remember the store. I also went to the corner candy store luncheonette to eat lunch and they had those racks of comics that would entice me and I 'd stand there reading them all. The owner used to kick me out, but everyone knew me because of my parents.

I would love to know if I went to school with any of you. Also, please go and read my blog, because I talk about this whole area. Thank you for bringing back all my memories. If you are interested my story is published here:

http://viatouch.com/learn/storystation/stories/troublefollowleader.jsp

I talk about the follow the leader games we all played then and what happened to me when I could get through the gate.

Here is my blog: http://barbaraehrentreu.blogspot.com/

Allan, or whoever started this, I happened on this to find out about my old neighborhood and it's so great to be connected like this. It was great being a kid then. We just didn't realize it. I could probably talk about these memories forever. Thanks for the picture site.

Barbara Ehrentreu (Levine): 22nd Jun 2009 - 08:51 GMT

Oh, one more thing about Temple Petach Tikvah. That was my parent's temple and I went to Sunday school there. I remember the beautiful temple part and Rabbi Bloch. My husband and I were married there in 1965 by Rabbi Bloch, because I wanted him to marry us. We were married in his study, which was huge. This is such a small world. Who could have believed that I would find people from my old neighborhood and my old school ?

Gabriel Reese: 22nd Jun 2009 - 15:58 GMT

Thank you all for your great memories. I am an artist working on a public art Project for the Department Of Transportation. We are looking for participants who grew up in the Crown Heights Flatbush neighborhoods. The project is a mural that will be constructed on the corner of Ocean and Parkside at the exit for the parkside subway station. Participant will be asked to meet with the artist at their convenience to recount their memories of the above mentioned neighborhoods. These stories will be used by the artist to help create the mural, a large painted portrait of the contributors will also be incorporated in to the artwork. The concept is to show a person history of the neighborhoods as told by it's past residents, similar to this forum but in a visual art piece.

I look forward to hearing some of your accounts of the past. You can email Gabriel Reese at specterkops@yahoo.com

Maria in Maine: 22nd Jun 2009 - 16:47 GMT

Hi Barbara,

I checked my JHS 210 graduation picture. I found a B.Levine. It's on the left side. Is that you? My picture is on the right side a little lower than yours. I went on to Wingate and graduated in 1961. I lived across the street on Eastern Parkway from the Roller Skating Rink. I have many memories of 210...some not so good. But I really loved going to Wingate. Great school. Great friends. I went to PS 189, across the street from Lincoln Terrace Park...I do believe Sam Levinson's son attended school with me. I remember someone picking him up after school in a car. I was a walker. If I remember correctly his name was Barry(red hair).
My favorite movie house was the Lowe's Pitkin. You actually could sit there all day and watch whatever over and over again. I would always stop by the "coffee pot" on the way home and get an egg cream. Yummy
When I think about it we did wander the neighborhoods and did not fear much. I think it was due to the fact there was always some-ones parent outside either sitting on the stoop, reading a paper or rocking a baby carriage.
I found this site looking for some information about my favorite bakery cake, the charlotte russe. It's a great place to check out past memories.
We did have fun growing up in Brooklyn. I've always been proud of it.

Barbara Ehrentreu (Levine): 22nd Jun 2009 - 17:21 GMT

Hi Maria,
I haven't looked at that picture in so long. I think it's somewhere with all the other umpteen souvenirs I have.:) I remember that Roller Rink. I used to go skating there with my friends. I was in Mr. Cash's SP in 210 for 7-8 and then 9th grade. I went to Wingate for a year and then moved to Kew Gardens and went to Richmond Hill. I hated that school, because it was old and dreary and the Dean was a witch. I loved Wingate and wanted to go back. I was in Sing in 1959.

I loved egg creams and remember the Loew's Pitkin. I had to take a bus to get there. I loved charlotte russe's and got them at the bakery on Schenectady Avenue. That was near 167 and I'd get one on the way home. They were so delicious. Once you got past the whipped cream you had the soft cake and they were like an ice cream cone so you could eat them and walk at the same time.:)

I'm going to see if I can dig out my picture and find you. What was your last name? I think I have my yearbook with it too. I had a friend named Barbara whose father was an artist and did a number of paintings for Israel. She had long dark hair and very long nails - like Barbra Streisand. Do you remember the luncheonette across the street from 210? We all used to eat lunch there or what we considered lunch.

I do remember the fights in the schoolyard and the fear I had of being attacked even before the problem with the school. Do you remember worrying about the Baldies? That was a gang of girls who would come into schoolyards and literally cut off people's hair. You know our principal committed suicide because there was a problem in the school. I think a blind girl was attacked or even raped after school. When that happened my mother wouldn't let me go back there for almost a week. Then the principal committed suicide and it was all over the news. It seems there was also an investigation into the school too and he must have been doing something illegal. Not sure, because it never came out why. I was in the SP so we were kind of sheltered too. The only time we saw the rest of the school was at assemblies and the schoolyard.

I hope you will visit my blog, because I put a picture of the old neighborhood on there thanks to someone who mentioned: brooklynpix.com here. I think I saw pictures of Pitkin Avenue there too. My cousin lived near Pitkin so we'd go over to that area and walk along the street to shop.

One more thing before I end this. One day my friend and I decided to go to this fraternity party at Brooklyn College when I was in Wingate. We took the bus there and realized when we got there that all the kids were too old. They were all making out and it was dark. We were 14! We went back by bus and my friend and I had to walk a block to transfer to another bus to get home. There was this gang of guys on the corner who heckled us, but we paid no attention to them though we had to walk near them. Then my friend got off at her stop and I had to ride home alone and walk home alone on St Johns Place. It was late, probably after midnight and my parents got so mad at me for getting in that late. In those days you didn't have to report everything to your parents. My mother thought I was at a girlfriend's house. Needless to say I got punished for that stunt.:) But gee weren't we brave then? I'd be worried today if a 14 year old was out at that hour.:)

This is so great to talk about the old neighborhood and our experiences. I hope that you got a chance to read my story and also that you will stop by my blog:

http://barbaraehrentreu.blogspot.com/

Richie Rubin: 23rd Jun 2009 - 14:51 GMT

ALL of YOUSE;hey!,if WE love/miss BROOKLYN so much,howcum
WE moved away?.I did in`69,after Woodstock,x-country just
to go to`Altamont'concert near San Francisco,whew! how
different it was from NYC,real breathtaking views,not just
other bldgs!& so much free music in the streets,yeah,peace
& love back the,& clean/safe streets,but the`Education'WE
grew up with in BROOKLYN & NYC was/is best on planet..no?

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 23rd Jun 2009 - 15:16 GMT

I remember going to s roller skating ring on the other side of the Parkway, not far from New York Ave, (possibly on Union Street).I went there with Brenda Patterson.
Barbara, if Mrs. Gradstein was your 6 grade teacher in 1955-6, you were in my class. I racked my brain and think that I remeber you. Did you have black curly hair? I think you were also in my first grade class (Mrs. Shore)? I remember a material store on St. John's Place near Friedman's. Was tht your parents store? Almost everyone went there to buy material for the 7 and 8 grade sewing classes with Miss Scanlan. I went into all of your websites to try to read a bit about you. Where do you live now? You can answer me by email (remarc@ein-zurim.co.il). I also write, but do reference articles. If you are interested, you can type my name in to a search and find some of my articles. I remember an egg store on the corner of St. Johns Place and Schenectady Ave.

Maria in Maine: 23rd Jun 2009 - 15:51 GMT

Hi again Barbara,

WOW your message to me brought back so many old memories. I checked my 210 autograph book last night to see if you had signed it. I don't think you did. There are names in it I can't remember at all. It really was a terrible time for our school. I remember many things changing at that time. A street I used to walk home from school on became a nightmare hangout for groups, so I started going out of my way by two blocks to get home...just so I didn't have to pass by them. After 210 graduation my parents moved to New Lots and Wyona. Our apartment was across from my Dads shop. He owned a Hat Cleaning and Blocking Store. But I really wanted to go to Wingate...so I traveled each day to get there. Took the city buses or trains to get to school, but it was worth it. There were a bunch of us that used to hang out at the Caravel I believe it was on Remsen Ave. Most of my friends from high school lived in that area. By the way I do remember the luncheonette across from 210. Lunch Lunch what was that. Also you must have in your stash of stuff our 210 school newspaper, the one with the write up of the loss of our principal. It was a sad article, and as students we were scolded. I don't know where my copy is off hand but when I get the chance I will look for it.

What were we thinking when we did some of the things we did as kids. I remember being about eight or nine climbing up a ladder that was attached to this building like a firescape ladder straight up....onto its roof....my best friend Ira ran and got my Mom. She showed me this bag of candy I was going to get when I backed down and came off the roof....You know I never did get any candy and it was ten years before I ever went into that alley again. I don't think I talked to Ira for a while either. I didn't get a spanking or anything, but all my parents had to do was look at me. And over the years I had gotten many many looks. Like the time I had a date to go to a girlfriends sweet 16 party. She had it in Canarsie at a Hawiian resturant. I had to be home by midnight - house rule. A few of us from the party went for a walk, we walked by a movie theater, I glanced at the clock, It was 12 on the nose...I was an hour away from my home...I knew I was doomed. My date and I took a taxi home. Both my parents were waiting for me on the stoop. My date never even got out of the cab...chicken. At that point I had to be in by 10:30 from all parties. Up until the time I got married I had to be home on time. I remember the night before I got married I took my future husband and his Mom and Dad to see some of the New York sights. On our way out my Mom called to me... Maria remember house rules. We were all home by 12. Our parents love was great, all they wanted from us was to be the best we could be. They worried about us and wanted us to be safe. When I think of some of the things I had done I wonder how I made it this far.
Barbara did you ever chew tar? I did...my parents would have flipped out if they ever knew it. Oh well...I'm still here at 66. But it really makes me sick thinking about it. One of my girlfriends parents rented their basement to a frat. We used to sneak down to see what was going on. All I remember was a ton of couches down there...now what do you think they were for? The bathroom was decorated very weird. We never got caught, thank goodness.

But in the end I'm so glad I grew up in Brooklyn. I was never bored, there was always something to do, places to go, and plenty of friends to do it with. And didn't I love Brighten Beach anytime of the year.

I left Brooklyn in 1963 after I got married. My parents moved to Pa. so I have never been back since. My last name was Thereoulis (Greek). My Mom was Italian so I love spagetti and meatballs still.

It has been great visiting with you. Will visit again soom. Keep the memories coming.

Barbara Ehrentreu (Levine): 24th Jun 2009 - 14:22 GMT

Hi Maria and Esther!!
Esther, yes, I was the girl with the dark curly hair. It was dark brown and I hated it!! I can't believe after all these years I've run into someone from my 6th grade and from 210.

Esther, do you remember Susan Gradstein, Mrs. Gradstein's daughter? She was in our class. Were you at my 6th grade party? I had a crush on Alan Green and I remember I banished my parents to their room and we played Seven Minutes in Heaven. Then my mom had made those tiny hot dogs for appetizers and I swallowed mine whole and got sick at my own party? Then we all went out to the ice cream parlor across the street on Schenectady Avenue for ice cream. Did you know Frances Cohen? She was my best friend at the time?

Maria, I was in the SP so if you weren't in my class then I wouldn't have known you. They kept us segregated from the rest of the class. It's like they treat special kids now.:)The only time we were allowed to be with the rest of the school was at assemblies and recess.

No, Maria, I never chewed tar, but I did some crazy stuff.:) When I went to Wingate I hung out with some "fast" girls and we'd go cruising in one of their cars. I think they were older than I was and I have no idea how I met them.:) I remember one night we went to the movies with guys we'd just picked up and one of the girls started making out with her guy. I felt so strange. I think that was the last time I ever hung out with them. To get to Wingate I had to take the bus down Utica Avenue and then at Empire I had to transfer. This was every morning for a year. Then we moved and I absolutely hated my school. At Wingate I had a crush on this guy David Teitlebaum. I asked him to the Sadie Hawkins Dance and he turned me down. I was so devastated.

For anyone who wants to contact me: I'm on Facebook and also my email is:
lionmother@aol.com. Hope to hear from you.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 24th Jun 2009 - 20:50 GMT

The name Alan Green rings a bell, but I don't actually remember him.I do remember Susan Gradstein. Do you remember Judy Grossman? I remember a girl named Irma Cohen who lived on Lincoln Place near Troy Ave. There was a girl Sharon who also lived there and went on to the SP. Sharon and I once went to visit Susan Gradstein. We were very shy about ringing our teacher's doorbell. Maria- you write about Brighton Beach. I remember once going there with Clara ferman and a few others. We wnated to get home quicly and therefore decide to take the Eighth Ave. train instaed of the BMT to Prospect Park and then the shuttle to Eastern Parkway. We ende up n Queens. No one knew how to give us directions to get home.We finally got home and all of our parents were very angry and worried. They all got to know each other then. I knew that it was all my fault, for I was looking for the fastest way home.

Seth Pearl: 25th Jun 2009 - 01:42 GMT

I lived at 1656 Carroll St from 1953 to 1958 with my parents, Charles & Mollie Pearl. My father owned the house from the 20's. My sister, Helene Pearl Levine and my brother, Harold Mermelstein Pearl lived there, also. My friend, Stephen Hirsch lived down the block. There was a deli on the corner of Carroll St and Utica Ave.

anon (205.214.176.27): 25th Jun 2009 - 16:34 GMT

Did anyone go to PS 241 or Union Temple in the late 1940s and early 1950s

Doc S.......: 25th Jun 2009 - 18:41 GMT

Anon: I graduated 241 back in '54. While I didn't belong to Union Temple, I had been there several times - I think they were known for their swimming pool.

Rick F.: 25th Jun 2009 - 19:31 GMT

Anon: Many of those responding on this site went to 241 in '40s & '50s. I graduated 8th grade there in 1957. My folks belonged to Union Temple when I was very young, but I don't remember going to services there - I was Bar Mitzvahed at the Bklyn Jewish Center. I did spend some time at Union Temple, though, swimming (as Doc S suggested) - somehow, I was on the PS241 swim team and we swam there - and I also belonged to a Boy Scout troop that met there. I think the Union Temple is gone now - replaced by a high-rise condo, but I could be wrong.

Robyn: 27th Jun 2009 - 15:32 GMT

Rick I think it is still there. It is showing up on line.I am still waiting for your brother Robert to send me the Bar Mitzvah pics lol

Terri F: 28th Jun 2009 - 05:24 GMT

Norm--Son on Ben & Sol
I went to B&S all the time. My grandfather owned a mattress factory on Franklin Ave. and he knew everyone at the deli. I remember going for lunch and because of my grandfather, I was able to get a bottle of ketchup, rather than the cups the kids usually got. Also remember waiting outside the kithcen by the door to get our french fires. Received a cardboard chip which had to be handed in to get the fries. Great memories of B&S.

Rick F.: 29th Jun 2009 - 13:15 GMT

Robyn: I am still waiting for pics from him, as well. But, we will visit him over the 4th weekend.

Robyn: 29th Jun 2009 - 14:44 GMT

Well Rick please get some and get my email from him and send it to me .Thanks

anon (205.214.176.27): 29th Jun 2009 - 16:21 GMT

harry petchesky,
Did Alan Davidson live in your building?

anon (205.214.176.27): 29th Jun 2009 - 19:51 GMT

Does anyone remember Wohls Drug Store and the Bell Cinema, both were on Washington Avenue just off Eastern Parkway or playing punch ball in front of the Brooklyn Museum and being chased away and sleigh riding behind the Brooklyn museum? Remember Marty Glickman saying "Good like Nedicks" after someone made a foul shot

Rick F.: 30th Jun 2009 - 23:45 GMT

I saw "High Noon" (among others) at the Bell. To me, with its lounge and opulence, it seemed like a mini Radio City Music Hall. Also, we used to go down the block to Pappas restaurant for small family occasions. (I would vote for Miss Rheingold, there.)

Rick F.: 30th Jun 2009 - 23:45 GMT

I saw "High Noon" (among others) at the Bell. To me, with its lounge and opulence, it seemed like a mini Radio City Music Hall. Also, we used to go down the block to Pappas restaurant for small family occasions. (I would vote for Miss Rheingold, there.)

harry petchesky: 9th Jul 2009 - 18:51 GMT

Dear anon.

Alan Davidson did live iat 41 Eastern Parkway. He is a retired physician and now lives in the New Haven area.

anon (205.214.176.27): 10th Jul 2009 - 17:31 GMT

HARRY PETCHESKY, Thank you, did you know Steven Peskin,

M. P. Murray: 11th Jul 2009 - 07:06 GMT

Wow!!!! Eastern Parkway must be known around the world. I have no connection at all, but it seems to have been Heaven on Earth, as I read so many interesting happenings. I did grow up in Brooklyn, but my plight was altogether a different story. I grew up in the Convent of Mercy, back in the thirties, and knew nothing of the outside world. My Story could be the saddest story every told. No happy memories, no Love or caring ways. Most of the Girls, all gone. Let that building go. It was a fortress of unkindness, and
neglect, all hidden behind those walls, under the pretense of Saintly sweetness. Eastern Parkway folks, you all are a symbol of Love for each other. Thank you all.
M.P. Murray-NW2i-Radio OP.
East Aurora, NY

Jay Oshinsky: 13th Jul 2009 - 00:25 GMT

Not sure how I found this site, but really enjoying it.
Larry Prusak, a name out of the past. My brother in law Steve Klein told me after the fact that you were at a Wingate reunion that he ran. Glad you are still friends with Steve Schiffman also. I hope you guys remember me. You still playing Tennis? Do you keep in contact with Mervyn Rothstein and Steve Holtzman as I remember them as your friends also.
Richie Rubin, I think I remember you too. I remember you as a big guy and I know most of the Union Street names you mention. You state you dated Joanie B who I remember and I think she had a cousin Bobby McShadow or something like that.
The only old friends I still have are Newt Tanner (St.Johns Pl.), Gene Guskin (Ralph Ave.) and Sharon Stein (E.91st.) who married Mike Leibowitz from Carroll St. and Neil Ostrow who recently passed away.
I lived at 1622 President Street (corner of Schnectady) where the best punch ball, stick ball and triangle games were played.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 13th Jul 2009 - 20:59 GMT

I remember Mike Leibowitz . I wonder if he would be willing to say if he remembers me; or if he remembers Isabelle's Sweet sixten party, etc. Nobody has written anything here about Mrs.Raftery, the Home-Economics teacher.I felt so bad in her class, for I did not know how to strike a match until I learned how to do it there. Does anyone remember Mr. Joseph Badi? Is he still alive, if so where is he now? MP Muray, I feel bad for you. I hope that you did have some nice experiences in your childhood. I am sure that we all could think of a few not nice memories of PS 167 etc., if we really wanted to! Does anyone remember the bus cards for the St. Johns place bus, etc, or the late passes for kids who lived a distance from PS 167 and went home for lunch?

Marie: 14th Jul 2009 - 07:25 GMT

I remember Dubrow's cafeteria on Eastern Parkway at Utica Ave, and Friedman's on St. John's Place, the Utica theater on St. John's Pl, the pickel barrel on corner Schenectady ave at Lincoln Pl, the library on Eastern Pkwy at Schenectady, my grandparents lived on Park Pl between Utica and Schenectady, I recall the deli on St. John's pl and Schenectady had excellent knishes, sitting on benches along Eastern Parkway after World War II meeting ladies w tattoes on their hands from German prison camps, I lived in neighborhood from '43 to '63 and have deep memories of growing up in Brooklyn

Paula Giangreco Cullison: 14th Jul 2009 - 15:55 GMT

I googled and found you! It dawned on me just this morning that next year will be the 50th anniversary of my graduation from Bishop McDonnell Memorial HS (1960) which was located at 260 Eastern Parkway.
I now wonder what became of my classmates. We were educated by 5 orders of nuns and they were tough! It was a HS with high academic standards. The only choices I had as a student were taking fourth year of Latin or not, in addition to which two years of a romance language I would study. It was an excellent academic high school. Although we learned a great deal, my guess is that many like me became "non-Catholics" as a result of the daily indoctrinations....too much hell and damnation. One nun actually told me that my parents would go to hell, if I went to one of the CUNY schools (which I and my sibilings did). Too crazy!
Anyhow ... I may seek out any attempts at a reunion. The school folded because fewer became interested in a religious vocation. Paying for lay teachers was not in the budget. We were all on scholarships paid for by the local parishes.
The building subsequently housed a school for the deaf. I am not sure of the current status. I also recall the nearby ice-cream parlor where we would meet after school to socialize. As Bishop's was not a neighborhood school, I never fully realized the richness of the area. We were all so worried about finding a seat on the subway, so we could do our lenghty homework assignments. One time I did go to Ebbets Field to see the Brooklyn Dodgers play the Pittsburg Pirates. Duke Snyder was my hero! We moved from NYC to Phoenix thirty-five years ago. Although I have returned to NYC numerous times (once a New Yorker - always a New Yorker!), I have not returned to 260 Eastern Pkwy.
Perhaps, it is time. Thanks for the memories! paulacullison@aol.com

Janet: 14th Jul 2009 - 22:29 GMT

Memory rubs away the sharp edges of bad experiences. I walked around the corner from P.S. 167 for lunch every day though I was reminded not long ago that 167 served hot lunches in the gym (the gym or first floor had fat interior columns holding up the two floors above--the columns seemed huge). Did anyone of my early vintage have Miss James (she had blue hair) for 1st or 2nd grade? Miss McCann (big woman with red cheeks), beloved Miss Farnan? So many of our teachers years ago had Irish/Scots or DAR roots, remained spinsters, and apparently made our schools the center of their lives. I remember the fuss made by us kids over 167's first young male teacher--don't recall his name (wasn't in his class). Once in a while we were treated to a movie in the auditorium (I remember distinctly seeing Cary Grant in 'Topper'). I often watched kids carrying their books walk up Lincoln Street from Schenectady to St. Matthews and wondered what it was like to be in a Catholic school--it seemed daunting to me. Many of us took advantage of religious instruction day on Wednesday when it was worth having religion taught to us because we we let out of school early. I often wondered what went on at St. Matthews, because the kids who went to Young Israel really made the rabbi sweat! Went often by IRT to Brooklyn Museum, and coming from the very different (and more endearing) St. John's Place, felt awe at the beautiful Grand Army Plaza neighborhood with these monumental stone buildings like Greek temples and tree-lined Eastern Parkway all together in gorgeous symmetry.

Keith Bernstein: 15th Jul 2009 - 17:19 GMT

Hi Janet--Miss Farnan was my first and second grade teacher in the 1953-55 school years (in room 101, I think). I can still remember her first lesson in reading and writing: we wrote "it" and "ill." She was a fine teacher and I was lucky to have her. Like you, I took the IRT to the Brooklyn Museum and remember the "primitive art" and extensive Egyptian collections. We took school trips there as well.

Stan: 15th Jul 2009 - 18:04 GMT

Boy Janet, when you mentioned MIss James I shook. Remember Miss Hoynes and the Asst. Prinicpal Miss Cohen with her red wig?
I belonged to Boy Scout Troop 271 and we would meet Friday nights in the Girls Gym.

Chic: 16th Jul 2009 - 00:09 GMT

to Janet,the 1st male teacher was Mr.Allen ,the first young male was Mr.Grant.My wife lived at 1399 St. Johns Barbara Silverman graduated 167 in 1949.Which Janet are you ?

Julia A.: 16th Jul 2009 - 22:13 GMT

What happened to Judi Rubin and Anita Seldes ?
We went thru 167 to gether, and Wingate ?
Thanx ................

Janet: 16th Jul 2009 - 23:55 GMT

167--I don't remember Miss Cohen, but I do remember the two elegant curving staircases sweeping to the Eastern Parkway entrance that no one dared use, each flanking Mr. Lodato's office on the first floor. Now, if Mr. Allen or Mr. Grant was sandy-haired, that's the one! Him I remember as making the girls fake swoons as signs of their approval. I was Janet Miller of 1306, then 1310 St. John's Place between Schen. and Troy. Kids from the immediate neighborhood--and not beyond the block itself (and the side of the block we lived on too!)--were our friends. My very good friend who stayed in 167 in the IGC class (great distinction but with no reward) through 8th grade was Marcia Bernstein (she went on to Erasmus). Others I remember are Sandra Adelstein, Jonah Atlas, Eddie Koch (??? not the mayor), Rita Shier (shy-er) who lived on Lincoln Place I think and had a lovely singing voice, Martin Reisner, Judy Kessler, Joan Schulman, Helen Batiste, Libby Gusaroff, Peter and Billy de Mazio, Bobby Horne, Bobble Axelrod, Arlene Cohen--and a few others. I went to JHS 210 after the 6th grade, and then on to Tilden where I really needed to pay attention. Across the street on St. John's lived two very beautiful sisters, and both of them were high-fashion models often seen in magazines. We tried not to stare at them when they crossed the street to Mr. Silverstein's candy store (where we kids usually parked ourselves on the big milk-boxes nearby), but beautiful things attract and fix the eye.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 17th Jul 2009 - 08:10 GMT

Julia you wrote on June 8: "Used to correspond with Anita and Judy for a long time, some yrs. back, but both of them fell off the side of the earth !" I hope I missunderstood this sentence. I remember Miss Gunz and Miss Scanlon as spinster teachers. I remember Mr. Allen as a chemistry teacher and his laboratory classroom (407).I also remember the trips to the Brroklyn Museum by subway, the fact of a parent coming along, and the concerts and eXbhibit rooms that we passed through. I believe that the early Eygyptian exhibition there is one of the best in the world and therfore am glad tht I saw it when I was so young.I remembr waling down Estern Parkway with friends and then hearing from my parents who I had been seen with. Their friends, who had been sitting there had told my parents. I remember that a walk on Eastern Parkway was one of the only ways to cool down on a hot summer evening.

Stan: 17th Jul 2009 - 17:04 GMT

Janet:

Do you mean the BOVE sisters with long blond hair?

Their cousins, the Sterman Boys, lived across St.John's Place from them and were friends of mine

Julia A.: 17th Jul 2009 - 17:52 GMT

to Esther Hershman : whoever you are ! "FALLING OFF THE SIDE OF THE EARTH" is just an expression, to mean no contact with someone who used to write to YOU ! it meant nothing else, so if you are the person who has recent info. about those 2 dear old acquaintenances of mine, stop bitching, and just let us all know .......................

Janet: 18th Jul 2009 - 01:50 GMT

Stan--Yes!!! That was their name! The younger sister's name was Dolores, I think. I lived directly across the street from them. It was always a pleasure to see them cross the street to the store--after all, they were models and very glamorous. I don't remember the name Sterman--but I bet I knew the boys on sight.

ajschure: 18th Jul 2009 - 02:43 GMT

does anyone remember evelyn ryder she lived on st johns between troy and schnectady?

Janet:: 18th Jul 2009 - 16:57 GMT

The boys were nicknanmed booby and boyee. Their friends were Paul Anish and Eli Turk. We all went to PS 167 and had a club, The Condors SAC.

MaryAnn: 19th Jul 2009 - 07:22 GMT

to Paula
Reading your note gave me good vivid memories of Bishops, the school song....Memorial Memorial we pledge eternal loyalty through all our days we'll sing your praise with hearts and courage true....etc...I too graduated from Bishop McDonnellMemorialHS in the accelerated class of '60 and still have my high school purple stone ring.... I recall several orders of nuns teaching different subject....Sisters of St Joseph taught Latin , the French order of nuns taught Art and Music and Home Making...... there were hundreds in our 1960 graduating class but I do not recall your name....I believe there was a Paula on the train trip to Washington DC....after classes we'd go to a luncheonette on Franklin Ave at Eastern Parkway then I'd walk home as I lived all the way in the neighborhood down Eastern Parkway toward Utica Avenue where I graduated from elementary school which has been mentioned in comments named St. Matthews, will always remember Dubrow's across from the St. Matthews Church..... you are correct Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School no longer existsbut heard rumor there is a school for the blind and handicapped presently located in the school building at 260 Eastern Parkway.....presently, I too live a long way from Brooklyn down in Florida but my heart will always be in Brooklyn. I have many fond memories of Brooklyn and of going to Bishop McDonnel Memorial High School, by the way, you can search Google Earth and take a look at street level of 260 Eastern Parkway....it looks pretty much the same as it did back when we attended Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School, thanks for the memories, Health, Happiness and best wishes to everyone

wonderful clare hamilton: 19th Jul 2009 - 19:26 GMT

do you rember jimmy preston who lived on montogomery st or clare hamilton who lieved on lincoln road

wonderful clare hamilton: 19th Jul 2009 - 19:39 GMT

mclare hamiltony e maile is ctmhfd1@aol.com clare hamilton

Arthur Bernstein: 27th Jul 2009 - 02:53 GMT

Kind of stumbled across this thread.
Lived on Eastern Parkway from 1954 to 1964, two doors away from the library at the corner of Schnectady Ave. Went to P.S. 167 until the 6th grade (June 1958), then off the JHS 210 in the 2 yr. SP. This was just after the principal di a swan dive off his roof across from the Brooklyn Museum. He probably couldn't take the fact that I was coming to his school that September. 167 was pretty decent, but 210 was a dump, verging on the dangerous.
All in all, those days on Eastern Parkway were filled with lots to do, especially in the summer. We'd be out until late and nobody would bother you, unless you were making too much noise near the window of some old grouch, who'd try to dump water on you! Lots of friends who I have lost touch with over the years. There were stoop baseball games when you couldn't see the ball anymore, because it was so dark! For the good ball games it was with the guys at 1622 President Street, where my cousin lived and there were a bunch of friends there.
Anyone remember me?

Jay Oshinsky: 27th Jul 2009 - 12:26 GMT

Hi Arthur,
I lived at 1622 President Street and I think I remember you.
As I stated in a previous post, we (corner of President & Schenectady) had the best stickball, punchball and triangle slap ball games in the area.
Who was your cousin? Who were the friends you remember?
Jay

Keith Bernstein: 27th Jul 2009 - 14:29 GMT

For anyone interested, here is a link to a Time magazine story about the suicide of the principal of JHS 210 in 1958: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,868253,00.html

Arthur Bernstein: 28th Jul 2009 - 01:34 GMT

Hi Jay,
Good hearing from you! I remember you. You lived on the ground floor to the right at 1622. My cousin is Steve Salomon. I speak to him on occasion. He's had some health problems recently, but I think he's been doing better. Do you ever hear from him or any of the others?
Some of the guys I remember were Robert German, Teddy Small, ??Tobias, Steve Abrams and his brother (don't remember his name), you, and possibly some others. I remember going with you, your mother Lena (your Dad was Phil?) and some of the other guys to a baseball game at the Polo Grounds one afternoon. I remember playing football in the street after dark, in the winter or stickball or basketball in the yard between the two houses in the rear. There were times when we didn't have a stick, so we "borrowed" someone's mop stick they had hanging out their window!
Where do you live now and what are you up to?
Art..

Jay Oshinsky: 28th Jul 2009 - 13:01 GMT

Hi Arthur,
Wow you have a good memory.
Your right, my parents are Lena and Phil. Tobias's first name is Alan and Steve Abram's younger brother was Kenny.
The names you mentioned were the first to leave the neighborhood except for Steve.
How is Steve? Is he still in Florida? Send him my best.
I lost touch with everyone which was probably my own fault.
You are right, we sure lived for sports back then.
I now live in Pemberton, NJ near Fort Dix and work in Princeton, NJ.Still working sucks, but in my next life I will be smarter.
I had a previous post on July 13th where I mention the ball playing and some names that I am still friendly from Wingate, but they weren't from President St.
Did you go to Wingate also? I graduated in 62 and I think Steve graduated in 60 or 61, not sure, but it was before me.
Let me know who you and Steve keep up with if anyone.
Good hearing from you.
Jay

1076 eastern pkwy: 28th Jul 2009 - 17:36 GMT

Arthur Benrstrin--did u have a younger brother named Jay?

Richie Rubin: 30th Jul 2009 - 03:13 GMT

A.Bernstein/J.Oshinsky;did you guys know Saran/Dave Wallach,
& their sister?& Jay are you related to Judy O.?she lived on
Union st.nr Utica ave.& I saw her in fla,a few yrs.ago!also
did either of you play handball @ Lincoln terrace pk? seems
I know you both?I`hung out'@ pachman's candy store w/Ed Poska
&`Dusty'also on Eastern pkwy nr.Dubrow's,I'M [almost]67,ergo,
I may be a few yrs older.no?.I lived on St.Johns pl.nr.Utica
& moved to`Beserk-ly',cal.in`69[after Woodstock!]do you
remember ME?I`dated'Joanie Borruso in `59-`60..wild..no?

Jay Oshinsky: 30th Jul 2009 - 13:21 GMT

Hi Richie,
I remember you and everyone who hung around on Union Street and Schnectady Ave. Sometimes there were also large crowds at President and Utica by the President Chatteau.
Do you have a sister Terry?
No direct relation to Judy that I know of. I played ball with her brother Alan, and I presume you know he passed away.
I remember Joanie Borruso.... redhead, strawberry blonde? and her cousin Bobby McShadow or something like that.
Yes the Wallachs lived across the street from me at 1625 President St. and knew them and of course played ball with them on President St. There was Saran, David, Brian, Sara Lee and Barbara.
Played some handball at Lincoln Terrace Park, but was far from a major player. Oh those black ball games brings back memories.
I remember Dusty (was his real name Ed?) and I think he had a friend Eppy (Marvin Epstein) but off hand Ed Poska dosen't sound familar. Joel Bercy, Joel Sanders, Phillip Nassau (sp?), Harvey Yesowitz, Steve Shiffman, Steve Holtzman are a few Union Street names that pops into my head.
Yes I hung around Pachman's candy store and before Pachman's it was Goldweiss's.
I remember you from the pool hall on St.Johns place, I hung out much more often at the Pit.
I am still good friends with Newt Tanner who lived on St. Johns place betwwen Utica & Rochester.... Did you know him?
See my 7/13/09 post, I mention some other names in answering a Larry Prusak post.
Also was friends with Steve Salomon, Dennis Greenbaum, Mervyn Rothstein & Larry Prusak.
I Also belonged to Temple Petah Tikva youth group and attended dances there but not sure if I remember you from there.
You mention you are 67 and I am 65 (Gee how did that happen?). I rember you as a big rugged maybe tough guy am I right?
Hope I rang some bells.
Jay

Arthur Bernstein: 31st Jul 2009 - 06:20 GMT

Jay O., Richie R., 1076 Eastern Parkway,

A lot of the names you guys mention I knew, but wasn't really friendly with because I'm a little younger than you guys. Turned 62 in November--GEEZ!! Where'd the time go??!! We've gotta' hang around for at least another 40 years to make up for all the time that has slipped away.
Jay, yes I went to Wingate and graduated in '63-should've been '64 but I was one of those 2 year SP types. I speak to Steve Salomon and his wife once in a while. As I mentioned he's had some health problems. First was diagnosed with Prostate cancer, then during the pre-op procedure, they discovered he had a cardiac problem and needed a bypass. Everything was done fine, but he sounded a little down, depressed. According to his son, Steve thinks he's dying, which is not the case. I could dig up his tel. # and email if you wish.
Richie, I think I knew who you are, but you're a bit older than me and we travelled in different circles.
Jay, you mentioned a few names I'm familiar with, but two stand out. Steve Holtzman is a chiropractor in Eugene, Oregon and is friendly with another Wingate friend of mine, Steve Bhaerman, who had the misfortune to have lived in the Albany Projects, which was bad even then. Steve B. lives in Santa Rosa, California and is a stand up comic called the Swami Beyondananda. Newt Tanner, I've seen a couple of times in the past couple of years. He's friendly with another Wingate friend, I'm still friendly with, Larry Blumenthal who lived at 309 Troy Avenue. Newt didn't know I was Steve Salomon's younger cousin. I also suffered through the Temple Petach Tikvah thing and around them. Dennis Greenbaum became a cardiologist/emergency doctor, I think at St. Vincent's Hosp. in Manhattan.
To 1076 Eastern Parkway-who are you? You lived next door to me (1074) and my younger brother was Jay. Don't see him that often-he lives in Staten Island.
Jay, I live on Long Island in Massapequa Park and retired from the NYCity school system after 33 years. Taught Phys. Ed., then became a high school Attendance Teacher (Truant Officer.) Actually worked for 11 long, hard years at Lefferts JHS on Empire Blvd across from the 71 Pct. What a nut house that was.
I could go on and on, but I'll save more for later.
Art.

Jay Oshinsky: 31st Jul 2009 - 13:10 GMT

Art,
Wish Steve the best and a Happy Birthday also as his birthday is Sunday, 8/2. Sorry to hear about his medical problems. Last summer this time I went through bladder cancer surgery and all is fine now.
I have cousins out your way, I will mention there names as you never know.
Joy and Alan Gofberg on Wyngate Drive. Joy also JUST retired as a teacher from the NYC school system. Two daughters, Leslie and Renee and believe it or not, her maiden name is Bernstein. My mother was a Bernstein.
Also John and Sara (Geffner) Fair on Hawthorne Street.
Steve's parents Otto and Florence and I presume you are related through Florence's side?
I knew about Dennis and Newt told me his sister Nancy lives in Manhattan beach. Newt also knew Steve and will mention these post to him.
My wife Sheri (Klein) went to Lefferts JHS. She graduated Wingate in 1965 and lived in the large co-op behind Wingate on Brooklyn Ave.
I am a credit Analyst at Church & Dwight Co. Arm & Hammer products in Princeton for around 23 years with three to go and counting.
To be continued, back to work time now.
Jay

Chic: 31st Jul 2009 - 16:37 GMT

Jay my pal Phil Breiner lived at 1074 ,remember him ,he`d be about 75 now.I used to own the poolroom on St.Johns Pl. 167 is the only school I ever graduated from.

anon (adsl-11-37-78.mia.bellsouth.net): 31st Jul 2009 - 18:22 GMT

Boy...am I enjoying these e-mails. I used to live at 969 Carroll Street in the nuddke apartment next to both Barbara & Doris. My name was Susan Saltzman. Doris was Doris Cohen and Barbara was Barbara Prewalski. I was friendly with Franny and Linda Ehrenzweig and I do remember a Marjorie Rauch and a Susan & Marjorie Honig. There was also Sheila Coopersmith and a very religious girl named Razelle (we called her Razy). There was also Bobby & Joanne Leader and there were 2 brothers that lived on the 2nd floor (I think). Does anyone remember any of this?

Linda 11-37-78.mia.bellsouth.net): 31st Jul 2009 - 18:30 GMT

Rick: I also lived at 881 Washington Avenue in the apartment next to Michael Dempsky. My name was Linda Manning. My mother was a good friend of Stephen Dworkins mother Bea. I lived there from 1942 through 1958 when I moved to New Jersey. Went to P.S. 241 and Erasmus. I don't remember a Rick in the building. There was a Richard on the 2nd floor (2D).

anon (c-76-98-70-135.hsd1.nj.comcast.net): 1st Aug 2009 - 01:43 GMT

We lived on the other end of Eastern Parkway. We lived on Carroll St off Utica Ave. So we used Eastern Parkway at Utica Ave. My grandfather lived on St. John's place, and we would meet him when I was preschool and sit on the benches and feed the pidgeons. It was a beautiful place. I remember the Memorial Day parades there.

Chic: 1st Aug 2009 - 18:49 GMT

who was your grandpa,&why are you anon,what year are you talking about
That was my neighborhood 1940-1956 &1958-1975

Rick Feinstein: 1st Aug 2009 - 21:53 GMT

Linda Manning - I was "Richard," then, and, of course, I remember you. I know that you lived right upstairs in 3D, right? You mentioned, Steve Dworkin. Although I haven't seen him in years, when I got married in 1967, we moved into the apartment he was vacating in Flushing. I don't know if you recall my cousin, Ron Cure, who lived in the building, but we just came back from his Dad's 90th birthday party.

Rick Feinstein: 1st Aug 2009 - 21:57 GMT

Linda: Actually, there was a "Rick" in the building at that time: Ricky Siegel. He lived on the sixth floor on our side and had two sisters - Cindy (older) and Hindi (younger). Also, do you remember Ruth Berkenfeld from 241 and Erasmus (and/or her brother Richard)? She is my neighbor in Jericho.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 4th Aug 2009 - 21:07 GMT

To Anon:I know Razy well. She still lives in Crown Heights. We correspond.
To Julia A.: Thanks for explaining the expression to me. ("FALLING OFF THE SIDE OF THE EARTH" is just an expression, to mean no contact with someone who used to write to YOU !) Sorry, but I have no other information about them. Aside from contact with Razy Harelick, Harriet Weiner, Anna Herschman, and Diana Rickman,I have no contact with anyone who was from the Crown Heights-Eastern Parkway area, and had anything to do with people who write on this site. I wonder if PS 167 still has a nice garden?

Richie Rubin: 6th Aug 2009 - 00:34 GMT

Jay Oshinsky,Y0U got[almost]ALL names/nicknames correct!
`Dusty'was Eddy Dunn,& WE ALL knew Wallachs[1625]President,
Bobby Machado was Joanie Borrusso's cuz,I heard HE died in ca.[racecar driver?]Steve Shiffman was a cop in 79th pct!
HE lives in az.now!glad YOU remembered ME,P.S.167 was a trip!
I wish there was a`time machine'& WE ALL could be transported
back 5[five]decades..what good times!..no?

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner: 6th Aug 2009 - 20:28 GMT

I remember Jay Gutchman, Alan Rosenblum and Bobby (Robert) Crwford. They lived in a big orange house on St.Johns Place corner Brooklyn Avemue. I remeber Allen Rosenthal. He lived near Albany Avenue on Carroll or Crown Street. Allen continued to Erasmus, as I did. Herman Mandelbaum also continued to Erasmus. He lived on St. Johns Place between Troy and Schenectady Avenues. There were twin girls Eloise and Evelyn who lived acrosss the street from me , on Sterling Place betwen Kingston Ave. and Hampton Place, and there was a girl Louise who lived on Hampton Place, just around the crner from them.

Robert: 7th Aug 2009 - 16:28 GMT

After reading so much about St. John's Pl., let me say that I lived on another side of St. John's Pl., just a building away from Washington Av. from 1958 to 1959. At that time I went to PS9, a JHS at that time around Vanderbilt Av. I can say that my 446 St John's Pl. building was part of Ireland, almost everyone there was either Irish or of Irish descent. Had many good friends there like Ronnie, Bros. Michael and Dennis, Patricia, Janet and so on. Hope somebody from that place and time would read this post, and keep on writing a couple of words to reminisce a little more.

Ann Fratangelo Wolsky: 15th Aug 2009 - 16:17 GMT

In answer to Julia A.: 16th Jul 2009 -

Just found this site. Judi Ruben Murphy and I still email each other and I also still see Phyllis Weinberg, her brother Marty is her twin. Just received an email on Classmates from Diane Hulse Neville. Diane lived down the block from Judi. I also see Diana Lane, Stan Lane and Freddie Lane who lived on Eastern Parkway. Diana and Stan live on Long Island. We lived there for 31 years and we are in the "dreaded Florida" I'd move back to Brooklyn in a minute.

So many familiar names, places and great memories of easier days.

The memories of 167 are just terrific. We lived at 1309 Lincoln Place on the block that always said "Play Street" My mom Lillian worked for the PTA as Fundraising VP for years. I hated it when she'd be in the office or come into my classroom but I'd give a million dollars to have those days back. Was bad enough my mom was friends with all the teachers.
We went thru 167 to gether, and Wingate ?
Thanx ................

Susan : 15th Aug 2009 - 16:37 GMT

In answer to Esther (Herschman): Razy and I played together as children, although she was a couple of years older than me. I remember her aunt and her parents and having dinner in her apartment. As a child, not from a religious family, I didn't understand many of her customs, but I loved having to open the downstairs door for her family on Shabbot. Please tell her that Susan Saltzman (they called me Susie says "hi". I can't believe that she still lives in Crown Heights. I've been in Florida for 33 years.

Linda: 15th Aug 2009 - 17:21 GMT

Hi Rick Feinstein: Sorry for the delayed response, but I do not have a computer and I use my friend Susan's computer. You may remember her, she lived on Carroll Street near Franklin Avenue. We both are residents of Florida. If I remember correctly, your mother, Ann, has a twin sister Eileen and Ronnie is her son. The other people you mentioned I have no recolletion of. You have 2 younger brothers, is that correct? Do you remember Judy, my younger sister? She passed away in 2002. She was about the same age as Eddie Dworkin, Stephen's brother and Barbara Goldstein who lived on Carroll Street. The other names I remember from the neighborhood were Norman Schimmell, Billy Weiner, Steven Phiefer (EEEEEEEEE).

Rick F.: 16th Aug 2009 - 02:49 GMT

Linda: Good memory. My Mom, Anne, passed away in 1999, and her twin sister, Eileen, died about 15 years, before. Yes, I do have two younger brothers, Paul and Robert. I e-mail with Schimmel almost everyday and have plans to see him, Barry Besher,Louie Duberman, Eddie Grad (I think, Matt Young) et al in November in Florida. What was Susan's last name? I do remember Judy - sorry. Billy Weiner is living in Texas, having retired after many years in the military (chopper pilot). I also maintain contact with Irene Glassberg (Carroll St)and Susan Prager. We are all on Long island.

Julia Astralla: 17th Aug 2009 - 18:06 GMT

to: Ann Fratangelo, did you go to wingate, too ? weren't you friends with, Annie Sasso and Marianne D'Angelo ? I think I might remember you .........................I also remember diane Hulse, are you saying that Judi Rubin - Murphy is still with us ?
Tell her, I am still here and say, "HI" take care .........

Ann Fratangelo Wolsky: 17th Aug 2009 - 19:43 GMT

Julia Astralla: 17th Aug 2009 - 18:06 GMT

I went to Wingate but a year earlier then you and Judi. Yep Judi is still in Brooklyn. She just emailed me and I sent her this website. I will send her the message. I don't know Annie or Marianne.

Sonya Dyke: 19th Aug 2009 - 17:54 GMT

I attended PS 167..graduated in !960, then attended Erasmus Hall HS.While at PS 167, Mortimer Abramowitz was principal. I was friends with Lois Weeks, Judy Oshinsky..I remember her full head of blonde/brownish hair, Susan Cohen, Lois Citrin, Sharon Kelly. I believe that was the only non Jewish girl in the group , but I was smart ,so it was OK. Lot's of great memories. Yes, Ms Scanlan taught me to sew.

Richie Rubin: 21st Aug 2009 - 03:31 GMT

Sonya Dyke;I saw Judy Oshinsky a few yrs ago in Coral Gables
Fla.[SHE lives there,& looks terrif!I'M a coupla yrs.older
than YOU & lived on St.Johns pl.nr.Utica ave.Mr.Lodato was MY
principal @ 167,& I don't seem to remember YOU,My sister was
Teri Rubin[alas,SHE died last yr!]Teri went to Wingate,Tilden
was MY Highschool.`cause Wingate wasn't finished in`58

Jay Oshinsky: 22nd Aug 2009 - 19:17 GMT

Hello Richie,
Sorry to hear about Teri. As I stated in a previous post I knew her. We both graduated Wingate together in 1962. Maybe also from Petah Tikva but not sure and of course the neighborhood, probably Union Street.. We had one date in high school and I remember her hoping for something in fashion and design. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.
Jay

anon (76.103.175.235): 25th Aug 2009 - 04:26 GMT

Jay Oshinsky,thanks for YOUR nice thoughts..about MY Sister
TERI RUBIN..yeah,I do miss HER..a LOT!

Marjie Rauch Seid: 25th Aug 2009 - 05:45 GMT

Hi Susan Saltzman,

I just read your post and I do remember you and the others you mentioned. I think you were a little older than me. I'm 62 now. This site has brought back incrediby wonderful memories for me. Where do you live now?

Sol: 26th Aug 2009 - 01:17 GMT

Just played the new Neil Diamond concert at MSG DVD, and noted that it includes a section devoted to Neil's visit back to Erasmus Hall HS. It shows the construction material in front of the old Academy building; includes Neil singing inside the Chapel, & mentions the principal in the 50's, dr. John McNeill. Also shows Barbra Streisand in the yearbook. For those who like the music from that time, refer to the EHHS 50th reuinion web page at http://www.ehhs59.com/ .

Elliot Remler (Tempe, Az.): 29th Aug 2009 - 20:39 GMT

Handball @ Lincoln Terrace? That was the achievement peak for me at the age of
12 in `47. Winning `til you eventually lost the court --- and watching Moey Ornstein.
I went to ps 189, Winthrop Tilden & Lowell Tech. Now in AZ. 480 838 8359
or oneguffaw@aol.com.

Jay Oshinsky: 1st Sep 2009 - 00:23 GMT

Hi Arthur,
I had seen your e mail and e mail addresses, but had no time. Now I have time and your response is gone.
I told Newt, to give my e mail to Larry Blumenthal to give to you and to Steve and anyone else that might know me.
Jay

Editor: 1st Sep 2009 - 00:53 GMT

All due respect, everyone, but I've begun deleting comments that stray too far off-topic into personal communications and chatter. I'd love to hear more about all of your memories of Eastern Parkway and the surrounding areas (and I'd especially love to see some photos!), but we work hard to keep this site more of a urban photoblog and less of a social-networking site... dig?

As a token of goodwill, however, I would be more than happy to put together a mailing list for any of you who would like to stay in touch and chat freely via email at your convenience... If you are interested, please email me your name and whatever contact info you feel comfortable sharing, and I will see to it that you are all sent a comprehensive list, which I will strive to keep updated.

Deal?

Your Friend,
Editors@citynoise.org

Sol: 1st Sep 2009 - 03:02 GMT

Editor,
Thank you for introducing some discipline & providing an alternate route to those who want private chats. I also would welcome some photos of Eastern Parkway during the era of trollys & bikes.

Doc S.......: 1st Sep 2009 - 03:28 GMT

....there is a "you-tube" movie showing Brooklyn trolleys, mentioned much earlier in this blog.

Janet: 2nd Sep 2009 - 18:19 GMT

Thank you, Editor, for the deletions. More editing of personal conversations would be useful. Perhaps unnecessary, unrelated photos ought to go too.

Sonya: 10th Sep 2009 - 00:23 GMT

Yes. I remember Eastern Parkway..benches to sit on..the library at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Schenectady Ave...the subway. There was a pizza partlor at the corner of Lincoln Place and Schenectady ave . a slice of pizza was 15cents..and to me that was a lot of money. You could buy milk and pretzel in class. Ms. Helen kantzler was my 5th grade teacher at PS 167 and I thought she was just wonderful,..would read Charlotte's Web to the clas on Friday( afternoons. I also remember Mrs. Gradstein.She taught my sister Angeline. Mrs. Bell was the only African American teacher and she taught Kindergarten or first grade. I remember the maypole dance in spring.Such fond memories. Back then kids actually sang Christmas carols in school and we made our caroling capes out of paper mache and performed at assembly..Thanks Richie Rubin for filling me in on Judy Oshinsky.

larry prusak: 10th Sep 2009 - 23:42 GMT

Hello Jay;
Nice to hear form you after half a century! I live in the Boston area and became a consultant, teacher and a writer. Steve Holtzman became a professor at Emory and Mervyn Rothstein was an editor at the New York Times. We all had so many many good times just hanging around those few streets. I also ran into Alan Tobias a few years ago-he, too, became a teacher., but had a run of bad luck, Phil Nachinoff lives here in Boston and ran a photography studio. Do you remember that your father, Phil(a very sweet guy) used to date my fathers sister, Frieda, on the Lower East side many many years ago?
Anyway, nice to read about you and hope things go well for you

Norman Schimmel: 11th Sep 2009 - 15:04 GMT

Did anyone go to "Reading Time" on Thursdays at The Brooklyn Public Library ? They had chairs and a story was read by one of the people who worked there; to all ?

Jay Oshinsky: 11th Sep 2009 - 19:26 GMT

Hi Larry,
Good to hear from you and the update on "where are they now".
We did have good times with loads of kids on president street and Union Street. Seemed like back then everyone new everyone. I just can't imagine these type "hangouts" in todays world.
I have seen Mervyn's name associated with the NY Times and always wondered if that was him. I guess you know that Dennis Greenbaum is a doctor and practiced at St. Vincents and Steve Saloman resides in Florida. I have had no contact with them.
Regarding my father, thanks for the nice words (both parents gone now) and your Aunt. I do remember that and I remember when you were at my house and saw the picture of my father with your Aunt. You were amazed. I am sure I still have that picture. As I stated in a previous post, my brother in law is Steve Klein who graduated with you in '61 and ran your last class reunion.
Over the years I was self employed for awhile which fizzled and now for the last 23 years I have been a credit analyst for Church & Dwight Co. (Arm & Hammer Products) in Princeton.
For 40 years residing in Central NJ and now in Pemberton near Ft. Dix.
How is the Tennis game going and I hope you Boston transplants did not become Redsox fans.
Give my regards to all you stay in contact with.
Take care,
Jay

Jeff: 13th Sep 2009 - 14:09 GMT

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had any memories of Honey's Toy Store? Especially if you knew Honey and frequented the store. Thanks!

Sol: 13th Sep 2009 - 15:02 GMT

I remember the "Circus Box" toy store on Franklin, near Union St. Also a nice bike store on Nostrand, near President. For a kid, owning a bike in Brooklyn was risky...even back in the 50's, but if a bike was needed for a day to ride around Prospect Park, or up & down the Parkway, it made sense rent it

Rick F.: 13th Sep 2009 - 15:55 GMT

As I recall, Circus Box was also called "Honey's." In my PS 241 years, we often had informal bike races around the block bordered by Washington Ave., President St., Franklin Ave & Carroll St. Sometimes, we rode down the steps of the 241 schoolyard. (Colin Murphy rode UP! those steps.) In my late elementary school years I risked (and received) my parents considerable wrath by riding my Schwinn to Coney Island & back.

Janet: 13th Sep 2009 - 19:09 GMT

Jeff--Honey's was near the corner of St. John's and Troy when I lived on St. John's Place. I wrote a message describing what I remembered of it in an October 2008 posting here. Many correspondents have noted Honey's other location (Albany Ave.), and there may have been yet another; but in my growing-up days Honey's was the place we kids preparing for P.S. 167 shopped with the little money we had for notebooks, pens, ink in bottles, even as we got a little older, a loose-leaf binder and paper neatly divided by subject. Honey was a thin man as I recall, with a boney face and receding hair. His wife worked in the store too. Except for school starts and special holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas, I don't recall doing much shopping there. Money was hard to come by. And when I had any to spend It was usually in the 5-and-10 on Utica Avenue where there was a big selection of everything anyone could ever want (except for bikes--you got those at Friedman's if you could afford it). But I remember Honey's fondly--and the little tailor just next door who sat at his machine by the window. Warn smell of the pressing machine lingers . . .

Stan: 13th Sep 2009 - 19:11 GMT

Jeff:

Originally Honey's was on St. Johns Place. They then moved to Eastern Parkway off Albany Ave. I lived on that block.

I remember on the first day of School they would be jammed with people buying school supplies. I think there was a similar store on St. Johns Place called Friedmans.

That was in the forties.

Jay Oshinsky: 14th Sep 2009 - 00:16 GMT

I think Friedman's was a small department store or variety store on St. John's place.I can picture the store and know I have been there. I lived on President and Schenectady , but think for some reason went to Harvey's on Empire and Albany (or vicinity) for school supplies. The 5 & !0 mentioned above on Utica Ave, right next to Tom Mccan, National Shoes? If so that was also a place to purchase supplies discounted.
and across the street was good Pizza and if memory serves correct at 10 or 15 cents a slice, was the cheapest good Pizza around.

John Lonergan: 14th Sep 2009 - 04:40 GMT

Does anyone remember Butch's bar &restaurant, Church and Utica...Silhouette Lounge, Utica and Cortelou Road or Lupo's Bar on E. NY and NY Ave? Possibly, more Kings County Hosp. area or Pigtown?

TruthTeller: 14th Sep 2009 - 12:38 GMT

For those interested in learning more about Eastern Parkway's rich history, I recommend you do a Google search on Eastern Park. It was a famous baseball/football field in East New York where Broadway Junction is situated. Can you believe that this now run down neighborhood was at one time the Mecca of American sports? Also, it may surprise many to know that East New York once had its own cricket team in the 1890s when professional cricket was still being played in the USA. Believe it or not, our team won the national championship one year in the 90s! Check through the Brooklyn Eagle archives which are available online. It makes for great reading!

Jeff re:Honeys: 14th Sep 2009 - 13:47 GMT

Thanks for your memories. Honey was my grandfather. I rememeber being at the store a few times as a kid---I was prob 5 or 6. When my dad worked there he would take me on Saturdays--and I do rememeber sitting outside with some local vendors (probably that tailor) eating Drakes pound cake. My dad had to close the store (when I was still very young), due to numerous break-ins,etc. I am searching family photos to see if I can find a few pictures of the store.

Stan: 14th Sep 2009 - 18:47 GMT

Jeff;

The tailor was Kamisher's. I think that was the spelling.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 14th Sep 2009 - 20:50 GMT

I remember Honeys on Easetern Parkwaynear albany Avenue. I remember that my Mother said that this was an expensive store. Yet, she did buy me things there sometimes. There was a nice selection of dolls on a high wall in the back of the store. Mrs. Honey (was that her real name? was a thin lady, with short gray hair. She wore trousers; this was an exceptional way of dressing for women in those days (or so I remember). There was the big shoe store on Utica Avenue called National or Miles. There was a nice shop called Msss Deb on Utica Ave, near Lincoln Place.

Growing up in East Flatbush: 16th Sep 2009 - 18:33 GMT

I grew up in the Glenwood houses from 1952-1965 it was the worst experience a young person could have , nosy neighbors turning you into the housing athority because your mother had a part-time job apartments so small you could touch the walls with both hands.

I vowed to get out of that lifestyle and I did , made my fortune in real-estate and live a wonderful life in South Fla. You cannot tell me living like a pauper in Brooklyn in the 50's and 60's was anything other than a grind

Ramona: 20th Sep 2009 - 04:45 GMT

I lived on Park Place between Buffalo and Ralph Ave 1957-1964 (PS 191)having real lemon ices with the lemon pits included, Knish store on St John's Place, Congress Theatre on Saturday's, Walking to Eastern Parkway, Lincoln Terrace Park, shopping on Utica Ave(.15 Pizza),shopping on Pitkin ave, johns bargain store and having egg creams at my uncle's luncheonette on Howard Ave.Stoop ball, stick ball top season water ballon season and never leaving the block to play... Those memories are some of the best.

Janet: 21st Sep 2009 - 00:16 GMT

The conversation has taken an interesting turn. We were poor, but we never thought of ourselves as poor. We had less than others, more than some, and expected that in the future we would be better off than we were today. That was simply how it was. My father did 'piecework" in a Williamsburg raincoat factory near the bridge and traveled back and forth from Utica and St. John's every day, rain or shine, first by trolley, then by electric bus. Sometimes I wore hand-me-downs, had a few games and books, but did most of my playing with pals outside on the sidewalks of St. John's Place, all chalked up for the occasion. A bicycle that probably cost too much was the great reward for reaching a milestone (like becoming 10 or 11). The outside world with its wonders and wealth came to us through movies, through radio, through magazines like Life, Look, Saturday Evening Post, and National Geographic, and movie magazines especially. Always, there was "go to school"--and an absolute insistence on education as the way to "get somewhere," to "make something of ourselves." "Do well," "pay attention," really meant something deep and intense about our future that I think only immigrant parents understood. It's much easier to make a fortune today than it was then, but much harder to think of it as more than mere money.

RICHIE RUBIN: 22nd Sep 2009 - 00:33 GMT

Janet; YOU said[typed]it!,unfortunately:dem daze are gone 4-ever!

Sol: 24th Sep 2009 - 12:57 GMT

Does anyone remember the Father / Son nights put on by the Men's Club at Union Temple? I recall seeing Rocky Graziano, Barney Ross,
Ruby Goldstein (the referee), along with Gill Hodges, Pete Reiser, Duke Snyder & Leo Durocher, & quaterback Sid Luckman at these events. As kids, it was a great opportunity to get autographs. U think that even the rabbi,Dr. Sidney Tedeschi, was there.

Richard E: 1st Oct 2009 - 14:52 GMT

Oh what memories this site brought back to me! Ben and Sols, the parades down eastern parkway it was a magical time! Oh how 45 years can change a place!

anon (205.214.176.27): 1st Oct 2009 - 17:13 GMT

Sol, I do remember that one year the entire Dodger team was there. I remember playing basketball in the gym and taking swimming lessons from a guy named Toby. We lived on Eastern Parkway so Union Temple was a short walk

Sol: 2nd Oct 2009 - 03:17 GMT

Helen, Your 10/8/06 talks about a bank being located on the corner of Bedford & Eastern Parkway, where Towne Hill was. I recently drove by and noted that the bank is now Chase. Also, no work started on the excavation at the NE corner of Franklin & Eastern Parkway. It's all boarded up. Anyone know what is planned there??

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 3rd Oct 2009 - 22:09 GMT

Wasn't ther once a bank on the north-east corner of Franklin Ave. and Eastern Parkway?
Does anyone know what happened to the Brooklyn Jewish Center (located on Eastern Parkway betwen Brooklyn and New York Ave.?

Rick F.: 4th Oct 2009 - 17:08 GMT

Esther - The Brooklyn Jewish Center was taken over by the Lubavitchers, at least, 25 years ago. The Rebbe's home was right across Eastern Parkway from the shul, so it is very convenient for them.

linda snyder reiner: 5th Oct 2009 - 16:30 GMT

going to ny -lived on st johns and we moved when i was nine yrs old
in 1950-
went to ps 241 and remember well so many things-
the brooklyn museum and botanical gardens -the library-
is the circle still there where moms would take their kids to play,
i think it was off E. PRWY -the movie theatre, and all the little
food shops off EP-we will stay in brooklyn two days-want to see all
are'nt now!)
is there a book that would help??-(cant get a nyc map of brooklyn
just manhatten in sf)
they say when you get old you want to return to where you grew up
and i am old now!
so great reading these posts-
thanks,
linda

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 5th Oct 2009 - 21:24 GMT

Rick thanks for your reply! What happened to he Chovevei Torah Synagogue on Eastern Parkway near Albany Av., and to the Young Israel on EasternParkway near Troy Ave. and to Petach Tikvah Synagogue on Rochester Av.? Is there stil a bus on St. Johns Place and a bus on Kingston Av? Do any of you remember late pase and bus passes in PS 167?

ALAN S: 7th Oct 2009 - 21:22 GMT

Does anyone remember GARCIA Y VEGA candy store.Istarted working there when SKY KING WAS FLYING A KITE.I used to put the sunday papers together had to be at work at 430am.I USED TO KMOW A RICHARD F. BUT HE JOINED THE MARINES and i never saw him again. Now he only speaks to Prager & glassberg.

RICHIE RUBIN: 8th Oct 2009 - 00:58 GMT

Linda Snyder Reiner, nah..I don't know YOU. but a B'klyn bus rte. map
is available[free]contact MTA..they'll send YOU one..oh, it has most of
streets in B'klyn!

Rick F.: 8th Oct 2009 - 14:11 GMT

Sure, we all remember Garcia y Vega on Franklin Ave, along w/knishes at Radins, black & white cookies at Normandie bakery, hot dogs and Ben & Sols, pickels at the appetizing store and egg creams at Geisers, all on the same day! Hey, Prive - I didn't know you had or could use a computer.

d.riss: 8th Oct 2009 - 15:09 GMT

lived on coney is. ave &cortelyou rd.1936 /41 erasmus hall hs us army1943 47 currently boynton bch. fl.

Chic: 9th Oct 2009 - 19:41 GMT

born at 735 CI.ave. 1933.... 167, Tilden , Army 1956-1958...now Edison NJ.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 11th Oct 2009 - 20:46 GMT

Does anyone remember Edie and Al's candy store on Kinston Ave, corner Stereling Place, and the rival store across Sterling Place owned by Izie and a fatter man? There was a cigar store on the corner of St. John's Place and Kinston Ave, which was run by a blind man. He had a big dog.Young people, probably from St. Grerory's (Brooklyn Ave. /corner St. Johns Place, used to hang out there on this corner.

Sol: 12th Oct 2009 - 02:48 GMT

Recently took my 5 year old grandson to the Brooklyn Children's Museum at Brooklyn Ave & St. Marks. First time I've been back there since 12/7/41 which was a memorable day. Neighborhood near the museum seems to be ok. Museum is worth the visit..with a young child

Janet: 12th Oct 2009 - 13:48 GMT

It would be good to her more from those neighborhood men who served during WWII and Korean War. What were the streets like and the neighborhood spirit? I was a child when the war ended but oddly have few memories of that tremendous event. I do remember the day that Pres. Roosevelt died and exactly what I was up to when I heard about it from a tearful woman walking along the street, dabbing her eyes. I asked what was the matter. She told me. Then I rang our bell and shouted up the two flights to my mother that he had died. Presidents were very special men then--particularly FDR who led us (and saved us) in the second World War. We saw Roosevelt (and then Truman) in newsreels and listened to them on those infrequent occasions when they had something of value to say.

Cliff: 12th Oct 2009 - 15:23 GMT

I lived at 1038 Union Street, between Franklin and Bedford Avenues. Gus's Luncheonette was on the corner. Honey's Toy Store was in the middle of the block. I man named Danny owned it. Fisher's supermarket was on the corner. I lived there from the mid 50's to 1968 and i went to PS 241. Barney' candy store was on Franklin Ave. It had a big red soda cooler outside with small bottles of soda in it. During the summer after stick ball at the armory on Bedford avenue we would go there to get a soda. It was a couple of doors down from Radin's deli and across from Recordsville and Dutch Dairy and meal Mart and Steve's Pizza.

aj schure: 13th Oct 2009 - 00:08 GMT

remember standing in front of dubrows on eastern pkwy.1960 watching jfk talk when he was running for president and the cops pushing us from the front of the podium to the back guess they knew we were to young to vote

aj schure: 13th Oct 2009 - 00:08 GMT

remember standing in front of dubrows on eastern pkwy.1960 watching jfk talk when he was running for president and the cops pushing us from the front of the podium to the back guess they knew we were to young to vote

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 13th Oct 2009 - 20:17 GMT

Doesn't anyone remember the yearly Memorial day parade down Sterling Place? This was in the 1950's. War veterans marched or were taken in wheel chairs. I think many of them may have been from WWI. Do any of you remember the days of the Korean War in PS 167? Al the school's pupils were all assemled in the corridors of the first floor and taught hoaw to crouch down on the floor. Our first grade teacher (Mrs. Shaw said it was the most comfortable position for sitting there for a long time. We were all given dog tags with chins and had to wear them around our necks. There was inspection every morning to see that we were doing so. They had vital infomation on them (name, address, father's name).The letter B was also printed there I was told then that it stood for the word-"BAD". I supose it stood for Brooklyn? A siren was put on the top of one of te Albant Ave (near Prospect Place) projects. It was tried out a few times. I think I remember that for a long time it went off at 12 noon every day. Many big buildings had a big S sign on them which meant shelter. I suppose they had good basements. Please take into account that these are memeories of a 6 year old.We got a television that year.

Myrna Spagnolo-Culver: 18th Oct 2009 - 02:48 GMT

Moved to 1000 President St. in 1954 and attended 241 with Linda Mantel and Norman S.. Was so impressed by neighborhood that I wrote a paper on the area. Ms. Kenny was my favorite teacher for sewing and math, she knew how to teach. I hated the smell of burnt chickens from the Kosher butcher downstairs that floated up to our fourth floor windows. On one of our first days in apartment my mother sent me to Ben and Sols to purchase sandwiches for painters. I handed Ben the list and he shouted across the store, "Sol she wants 3 ham sandwiches", and then proceded to tell me that they didn't have ham. My mother had forgotten the customs of our new neighborhood, but I soon learned to cope and enjoyed all that offered. I have not been back and would love to hear from fellow graduates of 241. I went on to Clara Barton VHS, next door to 241 and graduated in 1959, unfortunatelly they do not have reunions. My childrens Great Grandfather lived at 41 Eastern Parkway in a beautiful five bedroom apartment on the second floor looking over the Parkway, what a view. My email is fmculver1725@yahoo.com. My sister-in-law is Carol Steloff Chalian. Many of you may remember Bob Chalian, he was my brother-in-law. Keep up the fond memories, it was a wonderful place to spend a few good years for me.

Doc S.......: 20th Oct 2009 - 03:35 GMT

Myrna...do not remember you - left the area in '52 but do remember a "Bob Chalian". Did "Clara Barton" used to be called the High School for Homemaking????? Then there was a "Girl's High School" but I don't remember if it was in that area or not.

Myrna Spagnolo-Culver: 20th Oct 2009 - 05:26 GMT

Yes "Clara Barton" was originally called Homemaking. Across the street was Prospect Heights another girls HS, with the Catholic Girls HS behind that. Bobby passed away in 1974 which was a shock to everyone.

Mary Ann: 20th Oct 2009 - 06:44 GMT

Hi, I attended Bishop McDonnell Memorial High School which was the girls Catholic High School at 260 Eastern Parkway right near Prospect Heights girls high school around the corner. These blogs bring back memories, I lived on Park Place near Schenectady avenue and walked from there down Eastern Parkway to high school. I remember many of the places mentioned, Honey's Toy Store, the Big Apple fruit & veg stand on St. John's Pl at schenectady ave, the bakeries on Schenectady ave had the best rolls and cheese buns, the deli at St. John's and Schenectady had best knishes and hot dogs, Dubrow's, the East New York Savings Bank corner of Eastern parkway at Utica avenue......nowhere else is like Brooklyn and I cherish memories of my childhood growing up in that neighborhood from 1943-1960

Rick: 21st Oct 2009 - 01:51 GMT

stern Pky.I treasure my times there. The museum (sleigh riding behind on the hill,the library,the small park between the library & the museum,Grand Army Plaza,Prospect Park,Ebbets Field,Empire Rollerdome,trolly cars,electric busses,burning x-mas trees on empty lots and many more things you mightgetarrested for today.)By the way we are going to politiallycorrect ourselves into oblivion).And by the way-the milkman,the junk man & the knife sharpener were horse driven.Have'nt had a decent kinish or chocolate milkshake since then. I could go on forver.NO PLACE LIKE IT!!!!!!

Stan: 22nd Oct 2009 - 12:29 GMT

I remember, in the courtyard of our apartment house would come the "I cash clothes man", the violinist. My mother would wrap pennies in brown paper from a grocery bag and throw them down from the window.On Eastern Parkway the Dugan's cake truck (the most amazingly good cupcakes), the photographer with the pony, the pushcart selling Italian ices in the summer. the pushcart with the glass case on top selling jelly apples, the kids selling shoe shines around the entrance to the IRT on Schenectady ave.amd oh what ever happened to those great knishes?

All the remembrances bring back a great time that ain't gonna be no more. A wonderful timke and place to grow up in.

Roll: 22nd Oct 2009 - 21:32 GMT

I used to live right across from the Botanical Garden. During that time entrance to the garden was free. Oh, the joy I used to have going through the garden on warm Sunday afternoons. The exotic flowers and tress used to make me daydream.

If only it were possible to live there once again!

Chic: 22nd Oct 2009 - 22:51 GMT

Esther, the Memorial day parade was always on E. Pkway. However there was a smaller parade on Sterling Pl.on July 4 1942 which was anniversary day I marched as a member of the Bethany Methodist Church that put a contingent in the parade.I`m sure of the date because my sister was born that day.I lived on Sterling Pl.1936-1956

Chic: 22nd Oct 2009 - 23:05 GMT

STAN,I remember all the things you mentioned plus the guy with the monkey I would often see them in front of the Carroll theater.I was one of the kids shining shoes across from my alma mata 167.My most notable client was Cookie Lavagetto.I had never hesrd of him before that.I also walked the length of the parkway selling ices from a pushcart till the wee hours.We lived on Sterling pl 1936 til 1956

Gordy: 24th Oct 2009 - 02:14 GMT

I moved to 41 Eastern Parkway (Copley Plaza) in 1952. I attended P.S. 241. My 3rd grade teacher was Mrs. Lightcap, 4th grade, Miss Sternfeld, 5th grade was in the High School of Homemaking next door as there was overcrowding. My teacher in 5th grade was Mrs. Aranoff. Back in 241 for the 6th grade with Miss Smith. The 7th grade my teacher was Mres. Frost. In the 8th grade I had my favorite teacher, Miss Harris.She did play favorites and I was one of her "four horsemen."
I played alot of ball in the 241 schoolyard.I did play basketball will Bobby Chalian. I was sorry to hear he died so young.He was a good guy.
I worked for almost 6mos. delivering for Klein's Drug Store.We had 2 other drug stores on Franklin Ave. Rifgr on Presient was Bass Drug Store and on Eastern Parkway was Maiman's Drug Store.Henry Maiman was a nice guy who had two other pharmicists working for him. There was Marty (Maha)and Julie (Drugs)-nicknames.
Franlin Ave & President was my teen hangout.Most of mt friends hung out at Twin L's (Lenny's).A few years later, Harry was the boss. Across the street was Rae's. When it was cold we would hang out next door at Joe the Shoemakers.The candy store on Carroll Street by the bridge was Phil's, or better known to us as "filthy Phil's." They had the greatest juke box in Bklyn. All the great vocal harmony groups that weren't played on mainstream radio were in that jukebox.
Ben & Sols was the deli of choice. Although Radin's by Eastern Parkway was pretty good as well.On Franklin & Union was "the Greek's (Gus's). Many of us always had breakfast there. Around the corner was Twin TV, The two brother, Paul & Tony always had a bunch of us hanging out there as well. Between Union & Eastern Parkway was Garcia & Vega. My friend Bobby worked the fountain there, and his mom Estelle worked next door at the Cameo Shop.
Across the street was "the pizza place." A slice and a coke was a quarter.
In back of the Brooklyn Museum was the "museum hill." Everyone went sleigh riding down the hill in the winter.Prospect Park had a lake where you could take your girlfriend out in a rowboat in the warm weather. Botanical Gardens was a beautiful place to walk thru as well as play "johnny on the pony."
My friends and I loved the night club Town Hill on Eastern Parkway & Bedford Ave. For one drink which cost $1, you could nurse it all night and see the show. There were terrific entertainers playing there. The best show that I ever saw there were The Imperials without Little Anthony.
There was the Savoy Theater off Eastern Parkway on Bedford. A little further up on the Parkway was the Kameo theater on Nostrand Ave. I also wnt to the Bell theater on Washington Ave. My dad took me there to see my first movie (High Noon) The Bell was torn down and I think A & J Supermarket went up in its place.
There was also a barber shop on Washington Ave nearby. The owners name was Jack. Gil Hodges was his brother in law. If you wanted to talk Dodger baseball, that was the place to go.
Miss Kenny the rough tough P.S.241 teacher lived in my building on Eastern Parkway.I was in the last eighth grade graduating class at P.S.241. After I graduated, I would bring Miss Kenny groceries when she was sick. She was the sweetest lady out of the classroom.
The park across the street from was a great place to hit a baseball. The Brooklyn Public Library was the greatest place to find any kind of book a kid could want.
If I had a little extra money in my pocket, instead of walking home from Frankin Ave & Eastern Parkway, I would take the IRT on
the corner and take it oner stop to Grand Army Plaza. In the cold winter, the fifteen cent trip was well worth it.
Those were the happiest days of my life.

Mitch: 25th Oct 2009 - 18:51 GMT

Hi Gordy... fyi... my dad was Henry Maiman and our family along with my Uncle Marty (my mom's brother)owned the drug store. It stayed in the family until a couple of years ago when my brother finally sold it to a larger pharmacy group.

Mitch: 25th Oct 2009 - 18:52 GMT

Oh... and thanks for the nice words about my dad. He was a great father and friend.

Esther (Herschman) Rechtschafner : 25th Oct 2009 - 21:42 GMT

Stan, the photgrapher with the pony was a distant reltive of mine. He would come to Crown Hieghts from Washington Heights on the subway, with the pony.
Chic, I lived at 1125 Sterling Place from when I was born (Dec/44) until Sept/59. Did you live near me? Was the Bethany Methodist Church the Church on St. Johns Placee between Troy and Albany Avenues? A neighbor/friend of ours a Mrs. Jefereis was very active there. There was a parade that went down Sterling Place every year. Maybe I have my holidays mixed up, maybe it was on Armistice Day? the parade may have been on another street until it reached Albany Ave. or Hampton Place. Yes, I remember tht there was a big parade on Eastern Parkway on Memorial Day.

Chic: 26th Oct 2009 - 23:59 GMT

Esther I lived at 1320 Sterling Pl. 1936 to 56 when I married
a girl from St.Johns Pl.I still have her.I knew Jean Jackson from Veronica Pl.@ Arthur Marcus from Hampton Pl.,both near you. I think the parade you are remembering was "B`kln day",a.k.a. anniversary day.It ended in front of a nursing home near b`klyn Av. you got my church right.

Chic: 26th Oct 2009 - 23:59 GMT

Esther I lived at 1320 Sterling Pl. 1936 to 56 when I married
a girl from St.Johns Pl.I still have her.I knew Jean Jackson from Veronica Pl.@ Arthur Marcus from Hampton Pl.,both near you. I think the parade you are remembering was "B`kln day",a.k.a. anniversary day.It ended in front of a nursing home near b`klyn Av. you got my church right.

Robert: 27th Oct 2009 - 00:39 GMT

Here's a photo taken by my father at the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens in 1957 of my mother, sister and me.
Just to brighten up this article with a little bit of color...

Ed G: 27th Oct 2009 - 01:05 GMT

Happy that last Sunday I had an opportunity to meet some of the family that currently owns & lives in the house. Believe that it is in good hands for perhaps the next 100 years.

Dan Marra/Melucci: 28th Oct 2009 - 03:46 GMT

Hey All: I lived in Brooklyn up to 20 years old. I lived at 394 Lincoln Place (between Washington ave & Underhill Ave. attended P.S.9 remember Town Hill night club, Liffey's Bar and Randall's bar & Grill (Julie Randall) Turner Towers, Wholls Drug store corner Washington & Lincoln Place. Mano's Pizza, Jacks Candy Store (washington & St. Johns. Good memories, good times I miss my childhood friends.

ALAN S: 28th Oct 2009 - 13:58 GMT

Gordy i also was in last class @ ps241 with PRAGER,GLASSBERG,FOX HARVEY OX ETC. I LIVED @ 901 Washington AVE.Warm summer nights parents would take folding chairs sit in front of park

Robert: 28th Oct 2009 - 18:10 GMT

Dan, please look up a recent PS9 article I posted here some days ago...
I lived at 446 St Johns Place (also between Washington ave & Underhill in the late 50s, just a couple of blocks away from your place and a building away from Jacks Candy Store.

Velvel: 31st Oct 2009 - 05:14 GMT

I lived in the apartment building at 972 Eastern Parkway and went to school right across the street at the Yeshivah of Eastern Parkway. I think I was born in the Women's Hospital on St. Johns Place. We moved to the area around 1960 when I was 3. I remember the NYC library a block away on Schenectady Ave. We would go shopping on Utica or Kingston Avenues. Lubavitch, of course, was 3 or 4 blocks down, on 770 Eastern Parkway. Lincoln Terrace Park was one or two blocks past Utica Avenue, where we would play Nok Hockey or chess or checkers on Shabbos. There were the Lag B'Omer parades down Eastern Parkway. And don't forget the other parades. There were many shuls and Shabbos was a great time to stroll down the street and see your friends and neighbors. On Rosh Hashanah, everyone would make the trek to the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens for Tashlich. I saw the Sound of Music at the Carroll Theater on Utica. There would be some kind of carnival on Linden Boulevard, which my father took me to.

Stan: 31st Oct 2009 - 14:01 GMT

VelVel:

I lived at 919 Eastern Parkway from 1931 to 1942, then 285 Albany Avenue (between St. Johns and Lincoln Place) until 1946.

Don't know if it was the same one, but the Circus used to put up a tent on Empire Blvd.and Utica Avenue in those days. They ran a 1 ring circus with all the regular acts from lion taming to the flying trapeze.

Chic: 31st Oct 2009 - 17:17 GMT

my pal Marvin Koch lived at 919 early 40s ,graduated 167 1947

Steve: 3rd Nov 2009 - 14:27 GMT

There was a wedding Bar Mitzvah place on Eastern Parkway across from Brooklyn Womans Hospital (where I was born), the something? Mansion. (where I was Bar Mitzvahed) Anyone recall the name? It started with an "S" or "C"

Thanks for the memories...

Stan: 3rd Nov 2009 - 17:08 GMT

Chic:

I graduated 167 in 1943. Didn't know Marvin Koch
. Sorry.

Ed: 5th Nov 2009 - 12:01 GMT

On Election Day, took my grandson to the Brooklyn Museum & the Botanic Gardens. Museum is now closed every Monday & Tuesday, but convenient free parking in the lot behind the museum....where I used to sleigh ride down the hill. Botanic Garden is beautiful in the fall, with nice snack bar & gift shop in front of the hot house. At Empire Blvd, near where the Bond Bread factory was located, there is now a McDonald's...with walls full of pictures of Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, Preacher Roe, Duke Snyder, Gill Hodges, etc. Walk back along Washington Ave, past PS241 brought back lots of memories.

Betty: 5th Nov 2009 - 16:48 GMT

This is for Willie who posted on December 24, 2008. Just found this board. I was so excited. I lived in the apartment building above Tung Sang. I went to Lefferts Junior High School also graduating in 1961 and then to Wingate, graduating in 1964. Now all of these years later remembering those days in Brooklyn on Eastern Parkway bring back such wonderful memories. It was a great time to grow up.

Arnie Blume: 10th Nov 2009 - 06:15 GMT

Hi Harry P.
It was great seeing your comments. I saw you at the 241 reunion. It was so good seeing all those 241ers again. All those great memories, there must have been some bad but they have all faded away. I retired about 5 years ago and now split my time between L.I. and central Florida(try to do most in Fl.).Haven't been to Bklyn in years but will try to get there next summer.
I am in touch with Ed Gruber, Matty Paris,Stephanie and Harry Bowen via e mails. I'd really like to hear from some more of the old crowd.
Have you ever heard anything about Walter Snitkin,Arnie Sobel,Bob Kobell,etc,etc?
Any chance of another reunion in the near future(while we are still around)? ARNBARB37@AOL.COM By the way it used to Blumenkrantz!

Arnie Blume: 10th Nov 2009 - 06:25 GMT

To Norms
Saw that you lived on Carroll by the bridge. Did you have brothers, one named Stan? I remember him as a great softball player. He was older than me and I think I am older than you.I graduated 241 in 1951.
I also think your dad drove for the Daily News but i could be mistaken. You mentioned friends named Pasternack and Becher.
Did Stan pasternack have a brother named Roy and did Becher have sister named Gail? They were in my class. I lived on Crown St.# 35 which was behind you.

Arnie Blume: 10th Nov 2009 - 06:42 GMT

Hey after reading all these comments about Franklin Avenue you would think all we had there were delis,luncheonettes, and drug stores!
How about the dry cleaning stores? I delivered clothes for National Cleaners, Ezra H.delivered for Franklin Cleaners, and Rudy G. delivered for R and Z cleaners. I made my first fortune there but lost it all throwing darts at the balloons at Coney Island.
Those were great times, 241-1951 and ehhs -1955.
Anybody out there yet, old Monarchs or old Stallions?

Hal G.: 15th Nov 2009 - 01:40 GMT

Ramona...sorry I haven't kept up with the site. Yes, I knew your uncle Pete (we moved to E. 8th and Ave. P when I was 12) and this brother John, wife Mary and sons, Glenn and Gary who lived above the store. Glenn and I were best friends and with my younger sister Gail, we used to walk together to P.S. 198 [downhill both ways :-)]. We'd sit in those dark booths in the back of the luncheonette and play board games. Johnny would make me vanilla Cokes and meat loaf sandwiches with his chopped cole slaw. Have never had anything like his since.

Larry B.: 20th Nov 2009 - 16:35 GMT

Just discovered this wonderful Eastern Parkway thread through our collective lives. My father and uncles owned the Famous Restaurant on Eastern Parkway and Utica Ave.(now occupied by McDonald's). Does anyone have recollections of the Famous and its catering hall next door to the east? Vassar photography studio next door(upstairs) to the west.The waiters were charactures of themselves.Twin Cantors catering hall was directly across EP from the Famous. East New York Savings Bank across Utica Ave to the west and Dubrow's was close to the SW corner of EP and Utica. Jaffe's boys shop was on Utica north of Lincoln Pl near Sam Ash's. Reiner's jewelry store on Utica south of EP and acrross from Joe's deli, up the street from Dajuls (sp)ladies handbags and accessories store.Sol's fruit and vegatable store was on Utica north of Crown St. and the candy and nut store was on Utica and President St. Any recollections of the Madison Democratic Club on EP near New York Ave., I believe. The Steinguts were the leaders for decades. Graduated from Wingate H.S. in 1959, Winthrop JHS in '56 and PS 221 in '54. Lived at 888 Montgomery St. between Troy and Schenectady. Those '57,'58, '59 and '60 PSAL basketball games involving Wingate, Boys HS, Erasmus, Jefferson, Tilden and Madison HS's could be the finest HS league games in memory. Roger Brown,Connie Hawkins, Billy Burwell,Al Barden,Biily Cunningham, Tony Jackson, Leroy Ellis.

Alan Kupperberg: 20th Nov 2009 - 21:25 GMT

Larry B.

Yes , I remember the Madison Democratic Club. My Great Uncle Al Jacobson was a member. I recall all the establishments you cite. I recall one meal at the FAMOUS as a very small child. I found this site while looking for information about the FAMOUS Restaurant. As you note, McDonald's does business there now. Ironic, no?

Alan Kupperberg
kupperberg@earthlink.net

Sol: 21st Nov 2009 - 03:35 GMT

Larry...I think that the Madison Democratic Club also was called the Andrew Jackson Democratic Club at an earlier time. Congresswoman Edna Kelly politiced from there during the early '50's, handing our congressional appointments to the military academies, etc.